Somali Islamist cleric: Let’s kill us a Pope

posted at 5:43 pm on September 16, 2006 by Allahpundit

Right on schedule. Assuming he doesn’t offer a groveling apology this week, I figure we’ll see the first embassy go up sometime next Friday afternoon.

What’ll it take to satisfy the ummah? Why, just ask a “moderate” Muslim:

Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari, general secretary of the Muslim Council of Britain, said today’s apology was a “welcome step” but the Pope needed to repudiate the views he quoted to restore relations between Muslims and the Catholic Church.

Dr Bari said: “It’s certainly a welcome step that the Pope recognises the hurt that his speech caused…

He continued: “For the restoration of good ties between Muslims and the Vatican, we feel it’s important that he repudiates the views of the emperor.

“What we want to see is a clear indication that he himself does not in any way share the emperor’s bigoted assessment of the Prophet Mohammed.”

“Good cop” Bari marked the five-year anniversary of 9/11 this week by threatening Britain with two million terrorists unless the “demonization”-slash-criticism of Muslims ceases forthwith. And after all, isn’t there enough religious anger in the world?

The Guardian turns for reaction to “moderate” intellectual Tariq Ramadan, who indulges in a little projection about cultural imperialism:

“He has said it before – that Muslims should tackle the issue of jihad and violence, but the way it was done was a bit clumsy.

“If you follow the whole lecture, though, his message is very worrying. He is saying we have to redefine what Europe is all about … to reduce the past and neglect Islamic participation. Many Islamic values are in the west. All that we knew about Aristotle in the middle ages was coming from Averroes [the 12th-century scholar in Islamic Spain].

“It’s worrying to say that Islam is disconnected from rationality.”

If you want the bullet-point treatment on Ramadan’s “rationality,” read Daniel Pipes. Here’s what Hugh Fitzgerald of Dhimmi Watch had to say about him two years ago:

He wants to see the islamization of Europe. He thinks that Europeans suffer from a “spiritual emptiness” and that they are ripe for wonderful Islam. He has said that “the West is in decline, and the Arab-Islamic world is on the road to renewal” — yet that “renewal,” he believes, will take place when Islam conqueres, through his kind of Da’wa. His Da’wa, of course, is far more cunning, with far more roses than guns, than the Da’wa of Qaradawi, or of Sheikh Tantawi, and of course than the threats of Bin Laden, Zarqawi, et al.

But the goal of Ramadan is the goal of Bin Laden and indeed of all Believers: the victory of dar al-Islam over dar al-Harb, the removal of all obstacles in the dar al-Harb to the spread of Islam, and the subjugation of all non-Muslims — who will be subjugated, as they have always been subjugated over 1350 years of Muslim conquest (with not a single exception anywhere) and, as dhimmis (where not killed or converted outright), subject to a permanent status of humiliation, degradation, and physical insecurity.

Finally, from Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood — an Islamist organization founded, believe it or not, by Tariq Ramadan’s maternal grandfather — a demand that the Pope apologize again. And this time, no press releases. They want it straight from the horse’s mouth:

Mohammed Bishr, a senior Muslim Brotherhood member in Egypt, said the statement “was not an apology” but a “pretext that the pope was quoting somebody else as saying so and so.”

“We need the pope to admit the big mistake he has committed and then agree on apologizing, because we will not accept others to apologize on his behalf,” Bishr said.

Go have a look at the Brotherhood’s English-language website. It’s wall-to-wall Pope. Make sure you read the comments to this article.

I repeat the question I posed yesterday: what did the Pope intend to achieve by saying what he said? Tucked away in Jon Meacham’s predictable isn’t-there-enough-religious-anger critique for Newsweek lies this passage:

[W]hy did Benedict quote the emperor in the first place? The most likely answer is that, no matter what the Vatican says now, the pope believes in having what the Catholic theologian and papal biographer George Weigel calls “a hard-headed conversation” about the role of faith in the life of the world. “He knew exactly what he was doing,” says Weigel. “He is saying that irrational violence is displeasing to God. The question Benedict is putting on the table is: ‘Does a significant part of Islam have the capacity to be self-critical?’

Precisely. And in choosing to do so in such blunt terms, he’s injected himself into the central cultural conflict of the age. For this week, at least, the papacy is relevant to non-Catholics (and many Catholics, too) in ways it hasn’t been in years. He’s risking life and limb, but it’s a brilliant political maneuver.


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That link from the Jester site is verrrry interesting. I suppose the powers that be could be playing dumb and saying we think they acted alone so other conspirators aren’t put on notice.

mikeyboss on April 23, 2013 at 11:29 AM

were motivated by religion

Are they sure it wasn’t a Ben Affleck movie?

RadClown on April 23, 2013 at 11:36 AM

The one guy — a boxer, no advanced education. The other guy, a pothead college student, no technical education.

The difficult part is (a) detonator and (b) radio control of detonation. Would appear difficult, yes? Apparently not. The info is readily available on the interwebs. Like here. If you can use Google, then read and look at pictures, yes you can create a remote detonator out of toy parts.

Welcome to the 21st century.

SunSword on April 23, 2013 at 11:42 AM

SunSword on April 23, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Yep. And even that example is overly complicated.

stvnscott on April 23, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Here’s the real problem believing these two did this alone.

Where?

Tamerlan had his wife and mother living with him. So the wife has to be an accomplice. I wouldn’t doubt the mother is.

Jahar had several roommates. Some of these winners are being arrested and released, rinse repeat.

Neither had a job that provided the workspace.

So to believe no one else was involved, means they bought the supplies just a few days before and built it that morning, during the race. With no training or testing.

Along with the other IED’s.

And several guns.

And hundreds of rounds.

Just got it all over the weekend.

The Feds are lying that no one else was involved. Whatever statement Jahar gave them fit their needs.

Hell, he could have said yes to a question that asked “was anyone else involved with the Marathon bombing”?

That’s totally different than “Are you working with any groups”?

budfox on April 23, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Looks like Tamerlin may have murdered a few friends on September 11th 2011…

Click Me

Smoothies on April 23, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Two U.S. officials: Preliminary evidence suggests bombers motivated by religion

All I can say is “no shiite sherlock”.

dentarthurdent on April 23, 2013 at 12:33 PM

The difficult part is (a) detonator and (b) radio control of detonation. Would appear difficult, yes? Apparently not. The info is readily available on the interwebs. Like here. If you can use Google, then read and look at pictures, yes you can create a remote detonator out of toy parts.

Welcome to the 21st century.

SunSword on April 23, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Yup, so obviously the laws that make it illegal to make a bomb, and the laws that make it illegal to kill and maim lots of people are just not effective – so all we need is some more laws to make those things more illegal and we can solve the problem.

dentarthurdent on April 23, 2013 at 12:37 PM

I’m sure a guy who’s blown people up, shot a cop in cold blood and tried to kill some more in a getaway, would never tell a lie.

IndieDogg on April 23, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Exactly how would the RUSSIANS have pegged one of the two “lone wolves” operating in America as a terrorist if this is true. Are they doing a better job of monitoring American internet traffic than our own intelligence agencies. Either that or our govt is lying to us – again. We are screwed either way.

LarryinLA on April 23, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Mocking another person from a position of ignorance is never a wise move. Your screen name is ironic considering how myopic you insist on being with regard to this particular issue.

stvnscott on April 23, 2013 at 11:18 AM

It was a joke.

farsighted on April 23, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Acted alone?? Really??

Where did the MONEY come from?? For the clothes, the cars, the apartments, the GYM and boxing. I guess they just came in from the internet as well.

Michael73501 on April 23, 2013 at 2:13 PM

I hear the term ‘self radicalized’ all over the news. They can’t understand how the bombers don’t have a direct connection to terrorists, but can do this.

It is imperative to understand it is not ‘radical’ Islam.

It is Islam – the antithesis of western civilization.

TfromV on April 23, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Acted alone?? Really??

Where did the MONEY come from?? For the clothes, the cars, the apartments, the GYM and boxing. I guess they just came in from the internet as well.

Michael73501 on April 23, 2013 at 2:13 PM

They’ll conveniently come out with information that attacks the internet, and freedom but they won’t tell us who funded these guys. Probably because it was the Sauds or the FBI.

fatlibertarianinokc on April 23, 2013 at 8:46 PM

It’s still too early to say what his motivations were, but I have a hunch he’s a tea partier.

/msm

jhffmn on April 25, 2013 at 12:59 PM

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