NYT: Pope owes Muslims a “deep and persuasive apology”

posted at 1:01 am on September 16, 2006 by Allahpundit

From the miserable bastards who not only wouldn’t publish the Mohammed cartoons, but had the titanium balls to illustrate an article about the ensuing jihad with Chris Ofili’s manure Mary.

Most will lunge at the third paragraph but the whole piece is right there in the opening line. It’s an all-weather rejoinder to any criticism, however meritorious, of Muslims, who happen to be the source of most of that unspecified “religious anger” the Times is so wary of. Don’t provoke them, they’re saying; it’ll only make things worse. Not a word is wasted on the filth that pours regularly from the lips of Islamic religious authorities around the world. Instead they blame the Pope for having “fomented discord” and jeopardized interfaith relations by being a little too much of a stickler when it comes to “uniform Catholic identity.” The Pope. Not, say, the Saudis.

And so Fallaci gains a few new readers.

For a concise yet nuanced treatment of the Pope’s opinions about Islam, read this superb little summary by Damian Thompson in the Daily Telegraph. See if there’s anything in there that rings false to you. Quote:

Benedict would emphasise that the Islamic understanding of God is radically different from that of Christians.

He has also refrained from issuing the apologies for historical misdeeds made by John Paul II, arguing that they are never reciprocated

He does not believe that the Koran condones terrorism; he bears no animosity towards peace-loving Muslims; but he is worried that the aggressive ethos of authentic Islam may provoke a crisis in Western society. And if the price of making that point is a “diplomatic blunder”, then so be it.

Amen.

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God bless the Pope. Let us hope that there be no capitulation on this subject. The “offended” cite the passage where the Pope mentions the Byzantine Emperor–and what happened to Byzantium? Conquest by Muslim Turks.

Point proven.

elpresidente on September 16, 2006 at 1:06 AM

I’d really like to think that the Pope isn’t paying much attention to a newspaper that has sent out at least one 1099 to the “artist” that created “Piss Christ”.

Ed

Ed Driscoll on September 16, 2006 at 1:24 AM

Any percieved insult to anything that even remotely relates to Islam and the Muslim takes offense – and of course that comes with some threat.

The Pope was perfectly right in his comments and has no need to apologize. Freedom of speech does include rational discourse, which is exactly what the Pope did.

omegaram on September 16, 2006 at 1:25 AM

You go Benedict and don’t listen to those fools at the old, grey lady. All the news that’s fit for toliet paper.

Catie96706 on September 16, 2006 at 1:34 AM

I am not catholic, but christian. Where in the hell are these ppls minds?? The can burn effigies of Bush, burn our flag, call us infidels and worse. But if anybody hurts thier feelings, there will be a price to pay!?!? Peacful religion my butt. I told the person that let me here that I wouldn;t throw bombs, but I am sorry. We need to teach this so called religon a lesson. My christian mind says forgive, my moral mind says they are wrong, my mental mind says nuke em.
Sorry for the outlandish statement, but I am pissed.
Aaargh…they need a Bush slap

lsutiger on September 16, 2006 at 1:35 AM

Truth hurts.

Pope Benedict called it as it is. Muslims think denial is a river in Egypt, which is a Muslim country, by the way.

Radical Muslims continue to prove themselves a lower life form and someone in authority calls them on it, and then the rage ensues – and the NYT agrees with them! And, of course, there’s no bias in the media.

I’m felling naseous again…

Corky on September 16, 2006 at 1:52 AM

How ’bout a Pope blogburst tomorrow, Allahpundit?

BTW, having already compared the Pope to Hitler, Godwin’s law is in effect.

Of course, it is not like any of their other arguments for apology, appeasement, and dhimmitude have any merit either.

elpresidente on September 16, 2006 at 2:13 AM

For many Muslims, holy war — jihad — is a spiritual struggle, and not a call to violence. And they denounce its perversion by extremists, who use jihad to justify murder and terrorism.

Man, the way they’re partying in Havana this week, and with absolutely no public mention or a even a crumb of denouncement of September 11th and the murderous attack on civilians of the United States, they’re really REALLY going to have a whiz-bang time once they light off that nuke/dirty bomb they have stashed somewhere around here.

I just hope the throbbing ginormous throngs of Muslims who denounced the September 11th attacks aren’t too busy with their personal spiritual struggles to denounce the next one. Here’s to hoping the next mass murder genocidal act at the hands of their misguided bretheren is on a Saturday… that’ll give em a whole week to gather in their masses to denounce in one voice the murder and terrorism of small children and familys before they have to scurry off to the mosque and revert to their non-demonstrating, peaceful, loving, forgiving, tolerant selves.

SilverStar830 on September 16, 2006 at 2:46 AM

Apology? What did he do, draw a cartoon?

I am loving this Pope and very hopeful. The conservative priests of EWTN were very happy when Benedict was chosen, and even the name he chose as Pope had historic significance.

He seems to be showing signs of intellectual honesty. The last Pope did not fear death and gave his death as a lesson to the world. This new Pope is giving hints of the same true conviction. The Islamists have made it very clear by their protests: if you stand for your faith, and have the temerity to disagree with theirs, they want you dead.

The Grey Lady on the other hand seems to be showing the usual signs of internal rot. No one has to apologize for their beliefs, only their actions. From the news photos, it looks like the torch carrying crowd are the ones who owe an apology.

How come burning a cross on a lawn is a hate crime, but burning a Christian in effigy is religious expression?

entagor on September 16, 2006 at 4:08 AM

How come burning a cross on a lawn is a hate crime, but burning a Christian in effigy is religious expression?

It’s all about connotation and appeasement.

Actually, the act of burning a cross isn’t a hate crime unless it is done directly to someone who, as the victim, perceives it as a threat (ie: burning a cross on a black persons property, spray painting swatztikas on a synagogue, etc). Burning someone in effigy under the same conditions could be a hate crime too.

SilverStar830 on September 16, 2006 at 4:59 AM

lsutiger, Catholics are Christians. And Benedict is a wonderful man who has done nothing but speak the truth. I pray he stays safe.

Ellen on September 16, 2006 at 5:40 AM

Clearly, a growing number of liberals are willing to submit. Their right to vote presents the rest of us with a dilemma.

Halley on September 16, 2006 at 5:58 AM

The Pope has a mouth like that of any head of state, but he has no army and shows little if any appreciation of the goods achievable through having and using armed might. Let’s please strive to be more manly and more prudent than the Pope.

Kralizec on September 16, 2006 at 6:29 AM

Go Pope go!

dhimwit on September 16, 2006 at 6:52 AM

They dance and celebrate on 9/11 but they want the Popester to apologize for telling the truth.

Pope JP2 was shot by a muslim. He forgave the man. If a Christian shot al-Sistani I doubt he’d forgive the shooter. He’d probably issue a fatwa against him and there’d be rioting all across the peaceful land of islam.

“We’re insulted!” Wwaaaahhhh! They can dish it out but they can’t take it. Well, I’M insulted that your people flew OUR planes into OUR buildings and killed OUR people! They can kil us infidels and that’s ok, just don’t you dare insult them. They live in a ‘shame’ society therefore they can’t accept any form of criticism.

I’m still waiting on that apology for 9/11. And 7/7 … 3/11 … Khobar Towers, USS Cole, Iran hostages, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc!

Death before dhimmitude!

Tony737 on September 16, 2006 at 8:35 AM

Evidently, the Pope is “upset” that his comments have been taken out of context to be presented in an offensive manner. (See this post by American Papist.) Muslims and the NYT owe the Pope an apology.

Muslihoon on September 16, 2006 at 8:49 AM

The Pope is a man of truth that told the truth and he owes no apologies. Now . . . tell the New York Times and their Islamofascist buddies to take a hike.

rplat on September 16, 2006 at 8:58 AM

Paging Islamofascists!! Go away for about, oh, 632 years and grow up! We, as Christians and Western culture, surpassed this sort of religious fascism back at the end of the Middle Ages.

“The Grey Lady”?? More like the Grey WHORE.

She’s no LADY.

You GO, Benedict!!!

tickleddragon on September 16, 2006 at 9:18 AM

This is outrageous!!! Yeh, Benedict will apologize…When every Iman, Ayatolla, etc apologizes and condemns terrorists worldwide; apologize for President Tom saying he will wipe Israel off the map.

They want to be treated with respect? Only when they show respect. Scr** them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dallas94 on September 16, 2006 at 9:44 AM

To protest the Pope’s remarks, the oh-so-peaceful Islamic fanatics in Nablus (the West Bank) firebombed an Anglican and a Roman Catholic church. A Greek Orthodox church was similarly bombed in Gaza City. Interesting that the Church of England voted for and the ECUSA toyed with the idea of anti-Israel divestment. Guess the sweet and lovely “Lions of Monotheism” forgot about that.

Aunt B on September 16, 2006 at 9:56 AM

And when will Leftists apologize for their anti-Catholic bigotry?

U play outrages Catholic group
University refuses to block controversial ‘Pope and the Witch’

The play skewers the Vatican and the Roman Catholic Church. It stirs the anger of Catholics who view its story of a paranoid, heroin-addled pontiff and his corrupt aides as blasphemy.

And it’s coming soon to the University of Minnesota.

The U’s theater department will stage “The Pope and the Witch” in early March. A national Catholic group this week began urging Minnesota Catholics to “rebel” against performing it at the state’s flagship campus. Internet bloggers questioned whether the university would produce a play like “Pope” that lampooned Islam or Judaism.

On the other hand;

U leaders say the play will go on and that the university must be a place for even unpopular views. As for religious controversy, a spokesman noted that the U this month will play host to a gay Muslim activist speaking on “the lives of queer Muslims.”

Can you guess which event gleans more “outrage“?

Terp Mole on September 16, 2006 at 10:07 AM

In light of the fact that Benedict’s predecessor was actually shot at by a Muslim in 1982 I’d be pretty mum if I were a member of that congregation. Still no apology for that one, you know.

Niko on September 16, 2006 at 10:13 AM

To paraphrase Stalin,

How many suicide bombers does the Pope have?

Wander on September 16, 2006 at 10:14 AM

The New York Times is the opium of the sheeple.

fogw on September 16, 2006 at 10:18 AM

JihadWatch reports;

“Pope ‘sorry’ for Islam comments,” from AFP, with thanks to JE:

The Vatican’s new Secretary of State, Tarcisio Bertone today said: “The Holy Father is extremely sorry that certain passages of his speech appeared offensive to Muslim believers and were interpreted in a way that does not correspond in any way to his intentions”.
“The Pope is unequivocally in favour of dialogue between religions and cultures,” he said.

He says the pontiff respects believers in Islam and hopes they will understand the true sense of his speech.

There had been widespread calls from political circles in Islamic countries for Pope Benedict to issue an apology.

In Turkey, the country the Pope is due to visit in November, a senior religious figure said the Pope should reconsider his trip for his own safety.

For his own safety? You mean, there are non-Muslims in Turkey who might threaten the Pope? Of course, we all know that “Muslims have no violent character.”

Terp Mole on September 16, 2006 at 10:20 AM

So there can be only one true retraction: The Pope must publicly burn the transcript, and stomp with his Papal shoes on it. Anything short of that is not “sincere”.

Niko on September 16, 2006 at 10:27 AM

If no one else will say it, I will:

MOHAMMED WAS A PEDOPHILE!

I’ll be expecting a fatwa against me for telling the truth.

tormod on September 16, 2006 at 10:31 AM

Tony737 on September 16, 2006 at 8:35 AM
Thanks for your comments, spoke for me as well.

ALSO, Who’s got links from the muslims killing Christians around Christmas last year, in North Africa. Just because it was Christmas.

shooter on September 16, 2006 at 10:56 AM

Man are those people rednecks with a towel or what?
Adhere to their religion of peace or DIE. sheeesh.

johnnyU on September 16, 2006 at 10:57 AM

I had to go back and find this description of Dhimmis:

Dhimmis were allowed to “practice their religion, subject to certain conditions, and to enjoy a measure of communal autonomy” and guaranteed their personal safety and security of property, in return for paying tribute to Muslims and accepting Muslim supremacy

.
(wikipedia descript.)

Sounds like the NYTimes to me.

shooter on September 16, 2006 at 11:14 AM

I find it really quite ironic and hypicritical that the NYT and fish wrappers like that organization are using the first ammendment to destroy our first ammendment rights by determing what is acceptable speech by their standards.

I wish the Pope had not appologized, for Muslims saying sorry only increases the insult because now what was said was done so in weakness.

If you’re guilty of insult, then that insult might as well contain the whole truth.

Speakup on September 16, 2006 at 11:40 AM

The Pope speaks the truth and the NYT will have nothing to do with the truth.

Marvin on September 16, 2006 at 11:41 AM

Do you feel a crusade in the air? Palestinians open fire inside Nablus church over the Pope’s remarks. How long before they start going berserk in our churches?

Valiant on September 16, 2006 at 11:57 AM

johnnyU, don’t badmouth rednecks. Over half of the members in the U.S. military can claim that distinction.

DannoJyd on September 16, 2006 at 12:30 PM

I love how the same elitist schmucks who thought nothing of describing American Christians as “poor, uneducated and easy to command” crusade to defend the “honor” of asshats who are instigated to riot over some lousy cartoons, and who commit and approve of every barbarity under the sun because it offends their twisted social mores.

We need to invent a new word – “hypocritical” just doesn’t cover it.

Laura on September 16, 2006 at 12:37 PM

This is only the latest in a continuing Muslim outrage at even the slightest percieved insult to Islam – and all the while they are free to degrade anyone else without even the slightest remorse. The Muslim “outrage at insult” is a one way steet and will continue unabated for the indefinite future at even lesser and lesser catalyist.”

I look forward to when more and more in the west, especially in the United States, has less and less sensitivity to the Muslim’s anger at any percieved insult. I feel pity and sympathy for the citizens of the EU who do not have the courage, backbone, determination and wisdom to stand up to the Islamofacist as their culture is destoyed and distorted – and their freedoms are reduced.

We really are witnessing, and are a part of, the next world war – and it is a continuation of an age old conflict with Islam and the rest of the world. Our biggest weakness in this ongoing/coming conflict is our own left, the politically correct moonbat who depends on the courage and wisdom of others to maintain their freedom.

The Israeli’s know to deal with the Islamofacist – In their face on every issue, at every time, with overwhelming force – this is the only thing they relate to. Any attempts at “negotiation” with the Islamofacist are an illusion – anyone who is not Muslim is the “infidel” and it is condoned and encouraged to lie, steal, cheat and treat the “infidel” with complete contempt.

The Islamofacist attack on the Pope and Christians is going to wear thin quickly with many – and I look forward to a Western response of aggressive, direct, decisive confrontation with the Islamofacist on every issue, at every time, in every place.

Get used to this state of affairs, it is not going away and will continue with increasing frequency and intensity leading to armed conflict. The only reason we are not at war now is that the Islamofacist does not have the military, especially nuclear, forces and arsenal to even consider open warfare.

omegaram on September 16, 2006 at 12:58 PM

To the NY Slimes: Drop dead. The Pope exercised his right to free speech. The Muslims don’t like it. Too damned bad about them. And if you think sucking up to these murdering religious fanatics will save you when the time comes, you are even stupider than you appear.

Abigail Adams on September 16, 2006 at 1:49 PM

Hear that sound, Mr. Anderson….

tickleddragon on September 16, 2006 at 4:55 PM

Point 1: Remember Antonia Gramsci postulated that the Church had to be discredited and minimied before Communists can come to power via an internal coup.

By repeating the stories coming out of the middle east about muslim so-called “offense” and riots over what the Pope said, they are simply being “Gramscian.” The Times is liberalism’s “opinion leader,” and has been so for a very long time. What they publish has a clear point of view, even in straight news. They are clearly trying to shape the opinions and attitudes of liberals towards Christianity.

So when the Times and the rest of the Left Stream Media run these stories, they are working towards Gramsci’s goal.

Point 2: The old “does as tree falling in the forest make a sound if notbody’s around” adage comes into play here. WITHOUT the Times and the rest of the 5th Column media, nobody would give a crap about their so-called “hurt feelings.”

These riots and protests are carefully organized and are aimed at intimidating the west. — knowing not only FULL WELL that the western media will carry it, but with delibeate intent to utilize the media as a communication channel to sell the west their brand of “protection racket.”

This protection racket is no different than the classic Mafioso brand — the threat is death over so-called “insults” unless you pay us off or do what we say.

The TARGET of this racket is America’s Muslim community, I believe.

An major uprising of Muslims in America would make fighting the war on terrorism nearly untenable. Certainly, it would distract us and maybe even force us to recall our troops from the middle east.

Point 3: The Muslim community isn’t buying it. We are NOT seeing the raging anger here in America. If it were happening, you better believe that the whores at CBSNBCABCPBSCNN would be devoting 90% of their airtime to (a) reporting that America’s cities are inflame over Muslim anger, and (b) George W. Bush and the Republicans are personally responsible.

I’m not sure WHY America’s Muslims are not falling for it, but I’m glad they are not. I am glad that they are behaving as Americans. As I noted in the other thread, “Pope to Muslims: Sorry if you’re offended Update: British Muslim papers threaten” they aren’t rioting here.

I believe that it is because they are AMERICANS before they are Muslims, the same as most of us.

georgej on September 16, 2006 at 5:14 PM

Wow, I love Hotair, one great post after another.

Maybe we should just forget about W’s Plan A (liberate / democratize the mideast). Maybe it’s time to move on to Plan B. Perhaps it’s time to just get it over with. We tried to do it the Mr. Nice Guy way, now we gotta do it the hard way (hard for them, easy for us).

Tony737 on September 16, 2006 at 9:17 PM

Good one TickledDragon! “That’s the sound of inevitability.” I was saying on some other threat that libs only seem to understand pop culture. They’re experts at it. Ask your lib friends if they know what ‘caliph’ means and they’ll just blink and stare. But ask ‘em what Pee Diggity Dawg wore to the Oscar Awards and they can tell you what kinda undies he had one. Pop culture, part of the reason why the muzzies will kill the libs first when they take over this country.

Tony737 on September 16, 2006 at 10:52 PM

While it may be harder to get Muslims to “radicalize” here in the U.S., it’s far from impossible. We’ve had some recent examples of American jihadis, remember? And in Great Britain, one year after the 7/7 attacks, a full 13% of their Islamic population admitted approving of the attacks. 13% may still be considered a “small minority” but 13% of 1.6 million Muslims is 208,000.

Extrapolate those numbers to the current U.S. Islamic, CAIR-supporting population. Consider also that we’re about to allow tens of thousands of young, male Saudi students to attend our colleges. Colleges filled with malleable, liberal idiots who are predisposed to the Wahhabi “religion of peace” and think most of the world’s ills begin with Israel. A fair number of whom just took to the streets in support of Hezbollah. I think we’ll be seeing those riots here before too much longer.

Laura on September 17, 2006 at 12:20 AM

Tony737, that quote (which I’ve used once before on this site) is now my way of saying, “…as I’ve stated before in these threads, the big one is coming.”

It’s just shorter and more succinct. ;o)

Your point about Libs and pop culture is pretty sound in my estimation. History? Politics? Geography? Religion? These things are irrelevent compared to who Paris is hooking up with today.

tickleddragon on September 17, 2006 at 3:36 AM

Here’s what I don’t get: the Vatican is always very, very cautious in any statements they make. It’s almost inconceivable that they didn’t realize the reaction this statement would garner from the Muslims–a group that collects injustices and nurses grievances. But now you see the backpedaling and the “so sorrys”. So what’s the point??

Christopher Hitchens, never one to miss a chance to slam the Church, has a very nasty article on this out today. This guy took one too many slaps on the knuckles from Sister Mary Mary. Or perhaps he needed more….

honora on September 18, 2006 at 12:05 PM

I’m not sure WHY America’s Muslims are not falling for it, but I’m glad they are not. I am glad that they are behaving as Americans. As I noted in the other thread, “Pope to Muslims: Sorry if you’re offended Update: British Muslim papers threaten” they aren’t rioting here.

I believe that it is because they are AMERICANS before they are Muslims, the same as most of us.

georgej on September 16, 2006 at 5:14 PM

Well clearly the Muslims in America have been successfully assimilated into our country. (I am the master of the obvious). Which begs the question, why not in Europe? What makes it interesting is that Europe in general is far more secular than the US.

honora on September 18, 2006 at 12:10 PM

honora, I travel to Europe a lot. They (all of Europe) are a lot more racist than we are, or at least we’ve overcome our prejudices, for the most part.

Ours is a much more diverse society, one which accepts the multitude of backgrounds and talents, of which we’re comprised as a people.

The elites in Europe believe in multiculturalism, in its idealistic form, and in extreme tolerance – to the point where they alienate the locals. The locals pretend to tolerate the ‘foreigners’ but it’s only skin deep. In reality they can’t stand them, they don’t mingle, mix, cohabitate.

I’ve been through squallers of neighborhoods in Brussels, London, Frankfurt, Paris – where you can’t get out of the car, out of fear to be killed. The hatred is mutual. Governments talk about integration but hardly anything ever happens, until the next flair-up, and the cycle repeats, the generations grow up on animosity, over and over…Both sides are at fault and it’s very complex to solve, if at all possible.

Entelechy on September 18, 2006 at 12:59 PM

honora, I travel to Europe a lot. They (all of Europe) are a lot more racist than we are, or at least we’ve overcome our prejudices, for the most part.

Ours is a much more diverse society, one which accepts the multitude of backgrounds and talents, of which we’re comprised as a people.

The elites in Europe believe in multiculturalism, in its idealistic form, and in extreme tolerance – to the point where they alienate the locals. The locals pretend to tolerate the ‘foreigners’ but it’s only skin deep. In reality they can’t stand them, they don’t mingle, mix, cohabitate.

I’ve been through squallers of neighborhoods in Brussels, London, Frankfurt, Paris – where you can’t get out of the car, out of fear to be killed. The hatred is mutual. Governments talk about integration but hardly anything ever happens, until the next flair-up, and the cycle repeats, the generations grow up on animosity, over and over…Both sides are at fault and it’s very complex to solve, if at all possible.

Entelechy on September 18, 2006 at 12:59 PM

I’ve spent a lot of time in Europe as well, except Scandinavia, and your observation on the homogenity of most Europeans countries makes sense. I also think that in a lot of cases–certainly Germany–the Muslim populations were/are largely guest workers. Is that right? If that is the case, there’s one issue there. Your comment re racism in Europe–well I can’t speak for people’s feelings, but it’s hard not to notice the rise of neo-Nazis.

There’s also the idea of critical mass–10% of France is now Muslim. Of course that’s significantly less than the Hispanic population in a number of US states.

honora on September 18, 2006 at 1:28 PM

honora, you’re right – for many, many years in Germany, especially the Turkish Muslims were and still are guest workers. Of course, like our Mexican ‘guest workers’ they do and don’t return home. I put the words in quotes because in Germany the Turkish guests are actually legal, for a certain duration.

It is extremely difficult to become a citizen or legal resident alien there. For the longest time the Germans only granted these privilages to people with germaninc heritage.
Of course, the Muslim population is averse to assimilate – it’s a ‘tango’ which doesn’t come off smooth.

Add to this, the fact that cheap labor is now aplenty from the former East bloc and Europe feels more comfortable with ‘their own’ (race, religions, culture, background, etc.) Then there is the fear of Turkey joining the EU and altering forever its character.

Politically, this then gives rise to the likes of Le Pen and Jörg Haider. In fact, the only reason Mr. Chirac won the last time, is because the French were so scared that Le Pen had won with such high percentages in the primaries, or the first round…

To your point on racism, it’s all there – they keep fairly quiet about it publicly but in private they don’t hide anything. They simply don’t like someone else altering their culture.

It is extremely difficult for everyone and in all likelihood will bring no good. Their Muslim groups are way more militant than ours and insist on installing their laws, in their not-even-adopted countries. Many are unemployed and live off the welfare of the state and the locals resent them even more for being so in their face about not learning/adopting the local languages, culture, rules, laws, etc.

Then there are the obvious issues/facts: the percentages you mentioned, the secularism of Europe, few or no children, decline of marriages by the Europeans, aging population with not enough to support the huge social services – thus, foreigners needed…we could go on and on.

Nice talking to you – it’s not for us to solve, but to be aware. Europe is in a big bind and for the most part the politicians are ‘hiding’ instead of trying to bridge some gaps and naming the issues for what they are. When they’re not hiding or pontificating in the name of PC and multiculturalism or propaganda, the rightists rise to placate the locals. It’s really a many-ringed circle or maze.

This is not a political statement but I truly believe that the U.S. is so far better off in all these domains.

Entelechy on September 18, 2006 at 3:20 PM

Looks like the links to Wikipedia aren’t working for the time-being…

Entelechy on September 18, 2006 at 3:24 PM

Nice talking to you – it’s not for us to solve, but to be aware. Europe is in a big bind and for the most part the politicians are ‘hiding’ instead of trying to bridge some gaps and naming the issues for what they are. When they’re not hiding or pontificating in the name of PC and multiculturalism or propaganda, the rightists rise to placate the locals. It’s really a many-ringed circle or maze.

This is not a political statement but I truly believe that the U.S. is so far better off in all these domains.

Entelechy on September 18, 2006 at 3:20 PM

Right back at you. I sometimes think the Europeans are wiser and take a longer view; of course, I sometimes think their civilizations are crumbling. Either way is a lesson for us I guess.

Later.

honora on September 19, 2006 at 2:40 PM