Five Years On, take 2

posted at 2:27 pm on September 12, 2006 by Bryan

Yesterday I called a wide swath of the American (or anti-American) left mentally ill. Today, a nice sampling of the left has proven me right. Here’s part of what I said:

In our essentially materialist West, millions lack the imagination to believe that bin Laden’s pining for the return of Andalusia to Muslim rule is in his mind a legitimate reason to wage war on America now. They can imagine their own countrymen being so motivated, though, and I think that’s key to understanding their state of mind. They can imagine the Rotary Club member down the street plotting mayhem because he goes to church and votes Republican, but they can’t imagine that the Muslim in Karachi is a real, live enemy who is actually plotting an attack.

I called this stance a psychosis. Let’s see the crazies!

First, Keith Olberman. You can pretty much pick out anything he has said in the past year, but head over to Allah’s post and check out his most recent. There’s a lot more insanity where that came from.

Second, Rosie O’Donnell, who said:

“Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam in a country like America.”

Click on the link to see how her fellow View panelists and the audience reacted. Now think, why would she say that? I don’t see Pat Robertson threatening consequences if the entire world doesn’t submit to Christianity as Adam Gadahn has threatened in the name of Islam. I don’t see the US government breaking up 5 Purpose-Driven terrorist operations in 2006, but I do see it breaking up 5 Islamic terror cells this year. I don’t see the Vatican pushing for nuclear arms so that it can wipe out Israel, but I do see the Islamic Republic of Iran doing that. So where’s Rosie coming from here? Is she armed with facts or just her own ignorant opinion?

Do you think Rosie had a different opinion of Christians in America before 9-11? That’s very unlikely. Christians in America haven’t taken down a single skyscraper since 9-11. Rosie’s clinging to her pre-9-11 world no matter what the objective facts demand. New facts available over the last five years have not been processed, and they never will be.

Third, James Joyner rounds up 9-11 posts from a bunch of leftwing bloggers, pundits and coot Andy Rooney–all of whom identify the enemy within and minimize the evil of the actual perpetrators of 9-11. Or say we had it coming, which minimizes al Qaeda’s evil too. Or fly the bird at President Bush. The only thing we actually learn from any of them is that Kos’ birthday is in fact September 11. Bummer for him.

Joyner’s roundup shows two things: The mainstream left has chosen to offer nothing in the way of support to win this war, and that that choice is based on an effort to cling to the pre-9-11 world. Or do you think any of them hated Bush and Republicans any less on 9-10-01 than they do now? If they did, find the proof and send it on in, because I remember an awful lot of Bush-hate and Republican-hate predating that awful day.

So why do these leftists choose to succumb to such an illness? Well, here’s part of what I said about that yesterday:

Imagining the enemy as a Westerner who has a Western worldview and essentially Western motivations gives these millions the comfort of thinking that they can understand and defeat the enemy easily.

Essentially, they’re incurious cowards who don’t want to confront the terrifying reality so they invent one that’s less terrifying and fits their pre-9-11 assumptions. They really can’t handle the truth, so they hide from it and construct a whole new one they can live with.

We all thought 9-11 changed everything, but unfortunately we were wrong. It didn’t change nearly enough. Most of the left is the same collection of unteachable, bigoted, mean-spirited, anti-American haters it was on 9-10. Now they’ve just added a wall of psychotic denial to the mix.

Update: Confederate Yankee strikes the same nerve and the left’s love comes a-gushin’.

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Imagining the enemy as a Westerner who has a Western worldview and essentially Western motivations gives these millions the comfort of thinking that they can understand and defeat the enemy easily.

Bryan, you give them too much credit with this statement, especially for their ‘sophistication’ of thought.

They don’t deserve it – they don’t have that much imagination and thought – they hate abstractly and insanely. No further analysis for them.

“We lost, we deserved to win, forever, that’s the only democracy, the conservatives are stupid and religious we hate”. Basta! It’s not even related to 9/11, except that event ‘was good for Bush and gave his presidency purpose’, thus more intense hatred. The 2004 re-election made this hatred whole and justified for them. We gave them a huge finger and they haven’t recovered. Where do they go after Nov. 2006, if they’ve already saturated hate at 100%?

It’s a worldly malaise and syndrome, i.e. Mexico, to name the most recent example.

Entelechy on September 12, 2006 at 3:13 PM

“Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam in a country like America.”

Gee when was the last time, exactly, that a “Radical Christian” slit anyone’s throat?

Then again, I guess Rosie could feel threatened that some “Radical Christian” was praying for the salvation of her fat ass!

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on September 12, 2006 at 3:19 PM

Election 2000 really did them in. They truly believed they had turned the corner after Clinton’s 8 years. They thought the Republicans were done, despite what was taking place in Congress from 1994 on. They haven’t been able to get over what transpired in 2000. They kind of backed-off after 9/11/01, but their hatred came right back in ’03. The 2004 elections literally drove them over the edge – Bush re-elected. Now, it’s all about getting the Republicans out of power – no matter what.

Rick on September 12, 2006 at 3:43 PM

“Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam in a country like America.”

It’s beyond any comprehension of mine that any person could ever think this way, yet alone say it aloud. And she does this on TV? Is her ‘gayness’ talking? Mad at the Christians for their beliefs? It is absolutely disturbing and insane to compare the two.
Maybe she should watch an Islamafascist performing a beheading again. Or see what “radical Islam” does to gay people. Or just a woman with her arms showing outside her front door.
If she said it for a reaction, then she is below pond scum cockroach bellies as a human being.

shooter on September 12, 2006 at 4:23 PM

You can always predict how the far left will react, if you ask yourself: How would a profoundly ignorant spoiled child react in this situation? You’ll be right about 95% of time. And the 5% you get wrong, will be from underestimating the depths of their depravity.

RBMN on September 12, 2006 at 5:13 PM

Actually, the greatest danger to civilization is radical stupidity, as typified by Rosie O”Donnell. I really mean it. The stupid far left is just as dangerous as any enemy we’ve ever faced. Randi Rhodes? May everything she ever wished on GWB happen to her. Sevenfold.

ChelleFiche on September 12, 2006 at 5:17 PM

I credit the break down of the American Family as one contributor to this (Left) generation’s hatred of all things pure, good, and civilized. During the early 60s, for a number of reasons, the family unit began to deteriorate and emotional instability began to take root among a generation of children. Its during these childhood years that the anger begins to breed, and then get expressed fully during adulthood. This hated of authority, boundaries, and purity is the backlash to early insecurities from their (Left) youth. Of course now it’s a vicious circle. The Left now hates the family unit and works tirelessly to break it down by redefining it, thus creating new generations of insecure and confused children.

realVerse on September 12, 2006 at 5:18 PM

Rosie O’Donnell, the angry Lesbian, thinks she’s the queen of nice.

Keith Olberman, yawn….

Watching the view, like watching Dr. Phil. Mindless entertainment

Someone needs a life. And they wonder why there is an obesity problem in this country. Push the TV dinners and the TV away and go out and do someting. Bon Bons anyone?

Kini on September 12, 2006 at 5:50 PM

wouldn’t it be nice if one day we all woke up & on the news it was reported that all liberals in this country & around the planet have vanished & never returned. how great would that be. imagine , how this country would be alot better without liberals.

Starblazer on September 12, 2006 at 7:46 PM

Rosie is not even worth commenting on, Ms. ban guns and guntype toys while promoting K-mart who sells guns. It’s definetly a response to anti-gayness in the Christian community.

That link to ConfederateYankee makes me so sad. The vile mental diarhea coming from the lib commentators is what makes me fear for this country.

NTWR on September 12, 2006 at 8:01 PM

What about 9-11-09?

RobertCSampson on September 12, 2006 at 8:21 PM

As a former Liberal, I know why they act and think the way they do.

Liberals exist in an insular world of self-congratulatory superiority. They refuse to listen to any idea that conflicts with their own because they believe they have a monopoly on truth, justice and the American Way.

They have been convinced by their experiences, the media, Hollywood and each other that Conservatives are fundamentally evil. (Watch any movie from the 60’s, 70’s or 80’s)

It is inconceivable to them that often the only difference between Conservatives and Liberals is methodology, i.e., both want to eliminate poverty, but have different solutions to the problem. Liberals honestly believe that Conservatives don’t care if poor black American children die of starvation on the streets in front of their mansions, except insofar as they would create a hazard for their Bentleys.

They honestly believe that Conservatives are racist, greedy, ignorant, selfish, mean-spirited, elitist, violent, intolerant…and rich.

There are two conflicting versions of Conservatives that exist simultaneously in the Liberal universe: The fat, white, KKK, southern, “Christian”, deer-hunting, beer-guzzling sheriff with mirrored shades calling black men “boy”, and nostalgic for Jim Crow; and the rich, corporate, capitalist, exclusive golf-club member slumlord who runs sweatshops and otherwise exploits poor workers, children and “people of color” to enrich himself.

In their caricature world, Conservatives cannot be nice, good, caring, generous, honest, moral, or decent.

If a Conservative says something with which they would normally agree, they assume he is lying for some nefarious purpose. They are constitutionally incapable of believing that Conservatives are anything but evil.

This is why they hate George Bush so much and everyone surrounding him, and everyone who supports him. This is why no matter what he does or says, they continue to hate him. This is why a war run by a Liberal is tolerated, and may even be considred a moral war, but one run by a Conservative is evil…BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE MAN. It is impossible for a Conservative to be or to act morally. They are utterly without doubt that there is always a hidden, wholly self-serving agenda motivating all the actions and words of Conservatives.

They have the midset of the conspiracy theorist. If you say something they disagree with, you are evil. If you say something they agree with, you are lying.

Many Conservatives (including the President) believe Liberals and Conservatives can work together. But, Liberals, in their own way, refuse to “make peace with Evil”…unfortunately, to them, Evil is us.

My theory is testable. Get a Liberal to describe a Conservative. When you tell him you are a Conservative, and that you don’t believe the things he imagines you do, and tell him what Conservatives actually believe, he will: 1) call you a liar, 2) say that you aren’t a real Conservative or 3) be blown away, achieve enlightenment, and register as a Republican.

Don’t count on number 3.

the-gunslinger on September 12, 2006 at 8:22 PM


Spot on. I had a left of center person tell me that he thought I was more likely a “moderate”.

Only because I rescued a stray cat, saving it from euthanasia.

Go figure.

Lady Heather on September 12, 2006 at 10:06 PM

Shove another donut into yer cakehole O’Donnell while the grownups talk.

The Ugly American on September 12, 2006 at 11:17 PM

We all thought 9-11 changed everything, but unfortunately we were wrong. It didn’t change nearly enough. Most of the left is the same collection of unteachable, bigoted, mean-spirited, anti-American haters it was on 9-10.

Before 9/11 I was a moderate leftist democrat, who was drifting right. I did not vote for President Bush in 2000. Even on THAT day, when the President made his first comments from the school, my thoughts were that we are in big trouble because he wasn’t up to the task. However, by the time he made his evening address to the nation a few days later I was convinced: the world had changed and it was time to stop screwing around with these fanatics. From that speech on I renounced the leftists and democrats and came to see the error of their/my ways.

Sadly, many co-workers and other loved ones are prime examples of those who just don’t get it and are stuck with 9/10 mentalities. They wonder what happened to me. I usually tell them I that I wised up. I’ve seen it from both sides now and know where to stand.

With apologies to Bob Dylan, ‘how many attacks will it take, until they see the light? The answer is blowin’ in the wind.’

Mallard T. Drake on September 12, 2006 at 11:31 PM

I had a conversation with a liberal friend today…and after pointing out that:

1)Nazrallah and others like him has said on a number of occasions that they want a worldwide Caliphate

2)There are radical militant islamofascists all over the world, including Latin America -giving examples of attacks all over the world

and 3)Christians don’t kill innocents in large numbers on purpose and don’t actively WANT to die while killing infidels,

my friend just told me that he thought I was paranoid.

I love him dearly, but unfortunately, he can’t be reached.

tickleddragon on September 12, 2006 at 11:56 PM

Problem is that this problem is world wide…

I am in an internet debate on another site with a gentleman from Turkey… and he is abosolutley convinced that 9/11 was done by the Bush administration to cement themselves in power…

Bin Laden has been “convinced” (his words) that Al Q did it… the tapes with the Hijackers mean nothing…

I am convinced at this point, that there are people all over the world who are just whacked. Who think with their emotions instead of their intellect, and nothing you can say, no proof you can show, will change their “truth”.

Sad really… and just another reason why the guns in the house are loaded….

Romeo13 on September 13, 2006 at 1:13 AM

I defer to gunslinger, never having been a liberal myself. I thought it was symptomatic of having grown up in the world of Hollywood and TV where everything is make-believe. I mean, how do they know that those planes really flew into those buildings. It’s just good fx, right?

And those terrorists? “The Terminator” was more realistic.

I think of anyone who can listen to Clinton, Kerry, Rockefeller et al. declare that Saddam is an immediate threat and must be removed, then when someone actually does it, turn on a dime and accuse him of having lied to them on the basis of the same intel–well, I think of them as lobotomy liberals. I remember reading a book back in the 60s about the brainwashing techniques developed by the Soviets to create the “new Soviet man.” They are basically outlined in Orwell’s 1984, but who would have thought you could do it to yourself?

If a Democrat Administration took over tomorrow and announced that it would continue fighting the war, would all these people turn back to supporters?

flataffect on September 13, 2006 at 1:22 AM

Several points here:

1. Things have changed since 9/11/01. The Democrats and their 5th column media allies are trying to return America to 9/10/01. It is not working, in spite of their best efforts.

A democratic Iraq and an democratic Afghanistan EXIST where they did not on 9/11/01. It is hard to prove that the 52 million liberated people are figments of a “rightard’s” imagination.

Al Qaeda, who had been attacking America on a 2 year schedule is now trying to simply survive in a hostile battlefield that WE own and control. But nothing’s changed and it is still 9/10/01.

Unfortunately, for them, what has changed the most is America’s perception the Democratic Party is serious about national defense, that they are still the “loyal opposition.”

Sister Toldjah said it best, I think, in her blog:

“What a contrast. The President reminded America this week that we’re still at war with Islamofascists. And the Democrats have reminded us this week that they are still at war with the President.”

Sister Toldjah, 9/12/2006,

As long as there are blogs (and the internet), as long as competing voices to the liberal 5th Column exist, reality will continue to intrude into the fantasies of libeals and Democrats.

And the big joke is their presumption that it is THEY who are “reality based,” and not us.

For example: I have, litterly, spent months “debating” the existance of WMD and links with Al Qaeda with the moonbats.

They think that DEBATING the existance of WMD in Iraq (some have been found, one was used in an IED), and whether Saddam had ties with Osama (he did), somehow will negate the fact that WMDs exist and that Saddam did truck with Al Qaeda, even periperally. And that all their debating somehow negates the fact that Saddam’s government is GONE, and won’t be back.

It is almost as if their mantra of “NO WAR FOR OIL,” NO WMD,” “NO connection to 9/11” will somehow justify that the nascent democracies in Iraq and Afghanistan be overthrown.

They still argue the point as if debating it matters.

Their obsession with proving themselves “right” makes them all look like Captain Queeg. Remember when he “scientifically” proved who stole the frozen strawberries?

Why would they think anybody CARES who stole the strawberries, as knowing this will NOT cause them to be returned, uneaten.

2. “the-gunslinger” is spot on. P. J. O’Rourke phrased it somewhat differently,

The principle feature of American liberalism is sanctimoniousness. By loudly denouncing all bad things-war and hunger and date rape-liberals testify to their own terrific goodness. More important, they promote themselves to membership in a self-selecting elite of those who care deeply about such things. It’s a kind of natural aristocracy, and the wonderful thing about this aristocracy is that you don’t have to be brave, smart, strong or even lucky to join it, you just have to be liberal.

P. J. O’Rourke (b. 1947), U.S. journalist. Give War a Chance, Introduction (1992).

But the message is the same: Shallowness, the hypocrisy, the elitism, and the simple sheer stupidity of their positions makes them liberals, and it makes it impossible to communicate with them on matters of political substance.

Over at Whizbang, DJ Drummond writes:

It has quite literally become impossible to have a sustained conversation with Liberal Americans on the issue of National Security.

I agree.

We have reached the point where their illness, their projection and denial, make it impossible to find any common ground.

LBJ, as Senate majority leader, used to say to his opponents, “Come, let us reason together,” and pass legislation. Say that to a liberal today, and you will get blank and vapid looks and a response like: “Reason, with a conservative or Republican? How odd?”

3. Rosie’s rant is related to the assassination fantasies that today’s Vent deals with. Both are signs of projection, in my humble (and untrained) opinion.

Rosie’s statement against Christianity, is really a projection of what SHE wants to do to Christians. The assassination fantasy is the HEART’S DESIRE projection of liberals: The murder of George W. Bush.

What kind of mind thinks it okay to torture Christians and assassinate political leaders? Minds that already have harbored the wish to do so, it seems.

The liberals and Democrats have done this to themselves. They have chosen the “Brownshirt” approach to politics. I predict that now that they have sown the wind and will reap the whirlwind in November. Or at least I hope so.

Pardon my rambling, but it IS nearly 3am where live!

georgej on September 13, 2006 at 3:57 AM

I love the debates on Hot Air.

The Left now hates the family unit and works tirelessly to break it down by redefining it, thus creating new generations of insecure and confused children realVerse

We lost, we deserved to win, forever, that’s the only democracy, the conservatives are stupid and religious we hate”. Basta! Entelechy

Is her ‘gayness’ talking? Mad at the Christians for their beliefs? shooter

They refuse to listen to any idea that conflicts with their own because they believe they have a monopoly on truth the-gunslinger

The left has greatly deconstructed the family. Family was a survival unit, filled with rules. Gayness was out if only because procreation was survival and continuation of the family. Religion demanded the family. So the left worked harder than they ever did before to remove the independent family, and the religious basis.

what to fill the void? The State can guarantee survival. The left can create new rules, a better religion that approves of things like gayness. Nirvana!

A near perfect fusion of religious symbolism and moral relativism. The glory days of Andrew Sullivan, gay priests, and lesbian adoptions, sanctioned by the New Church of the Left.

The stern and ascetic nuns of my childhood morphed into the lesbian nun I met returning from a no-shirts required ecumenical moon worship get togther, who gifted me with a diversity-doll.

Along comes Bush. Curses! Dreams vanish. Hope dies. The beauty of the gay Eucharist tattered.

You think islamofascism is the problem? The enemy is here, the Christian, the Zionist Jew, the traditionalist. The destroyer of dreams. Kill. Kill. Kill. (the metaphor Jesus would approve)

entagor on September 13, 2006 at 2:17 PM

One more point.

My religion has a bunch of rules. I want our laws to reflect those rules (thou shalt not steal etc).

The left has created a new religion which of course has its own rules. Those rules happen to be their political philosophy. That is why they cannot compromise on political points. Because their politics is their religion.

entagor on September 13, 2006 at 2:43 PM

In theory, the fifth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks should have been a solemn day of remembrance devoid of politics. In fact, the day produced two major developments that likely altered the dynamics of the midterm elections.

Entelechy on September 13, 2006 at 7:14 PM