Jon sent me a link to a set of 9/11 footage from CNN taken on the morning of September 11th. We’d both mentioned that one of our clearest memories of the coverage was the inane babble about “navigational errors” after……

as I said honora, setting aside any other comments, this is all you need for a full debunking of the Pentagon specific part of conspiracy theories
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html

RightWinged on September 13, 2006 at 12:40 PM

..and as I said, apparently to myself only, was that I do not subscribe to any or the conspiracy theory stuff.

Never mind.

PS I meant “have you seen it in person”. I don’t think you can really appreciate how huge the Pentagon is just from pictures (which are always taken from far away).

Lehuster on September 13, 2006 at 4:52 AM

I have been to the Pentagon on a couple occasions. I understand what you are saying, what I am saying is that if you look at the planes that struck the towers, they is about a 100′ delta in terms of the vertical axis of the contact points. Variation of that sort re the Pentagon attack means you miss you mark at least on the minus side. I don’t think this is especially meaningful, just this pilot was better than one would have thought or just very lucky.

Honora — “At the risk of being called “slack-jawwed”, I have always wondered about the Pentagon attack. What is odd to me is the skill level that would be required to position the plane to be going that fast at that altitude and control the crash–crash into the Pentagon, not over or under shoot it. Maybe I don’t understand aviation or maybe the “pilot” of that plane was more highly skilled than I know.”

Perhaps you just don’t believe anyone could land a large high speed aircraft on an aircraft carrier deck in the middle of 20 ft seas either. Our nuggets don’t like doing that either. But many have tried and made it. And flying a 757 or 767 is like driving a bus. It doesn’t necessarily move around (waggle its wings, do flips, etc…) quickly, but it sure as Hell can be flown straight and fast, and that’s what it was doing at the Pentagon.

So allow yourself to believe that one determined pilot, even with a few hours in simulators, can manage to fly straight and low right into the side of a building. Stranger things have happened. Like not believing it was all a government conspiracy to kill thousands of Americans to start a war for oil which we don’t have and have to buy from terrorists anyway. That’s logical!

Nah, forget what your eyes and brain tell you to be the Truth and instead believe it was all a conspiracy requiring the support and assistance of thousands of government employees to covertly pull off this atrocity without detection or a single one of these persons leaking or providing any evidence to support that assertion. It had to be Bush’s fault. Right?

“Slack jawed” wouldn’t be the word I would use to describe that premise.

Subsunk

Subsunk on September 12, 2006 at 5:02 PM

Judas Priest!! You people could start a fight alone in a phonebooth!! I certainly don’t share the crazy notion that this was anything other than what all sane people know it was, part of the 9/11 attack.

My question was that this seemed to require a level of skill that would exceed what we know about the training the “pilots” had. Your comparison to the pilots who land on aircraft carriers proves my point. Talk about kneejerk.

Link: Hot Air � Blog Archive � Video: 9/11, as it happened Update: Amateur video added. If you can still tell me that 9/11 was a government conspiracy after watching this then you are either a liar or a lunatic….

Age and Experience.

The CNN pacifist, aka reporter, should claim terrorism immediately the next time a big black cloud is above DC, LA or NYK.

Don’t forget Italy had a reign of terror in the 70’s, American tourists in the Middle East in the 70’s and 80’s were hunted in the desert and killed.

The problem of evil – Man is in a fallen state.

Have you ever seen the Pentagon? It’s large. It is also in a gigantic wide-open space right next to something easily identifiable from far away (the river). The White House, in contrast, would have been a lot harder – it is surrounded by trees and other buildings.

I go to the Pentagon every day. In fact, that’s where I was on “the day”. Never been any doubt in my mind that a plane did it.

Over at Hot Air AllahPundit has posted some videos he edited together from CNN’s “as it happened” footage. Below those videos is an amateur video from 9/11, filmed by Bri and Bob, who lived near the Twin Towers. It is startingly vivid and loud; a …..

An amazing video. But the Truthers will not be happy about it, in spite of the ‘military plane’ line, because they have an excellent view of the north tower coming down, and there are no controlled demolition flashes visible at all, none. And they are so vital to there theory.

I would agree, but you know these Michael Moore Jrs. are dishonest POSs. They would play just the line of her saying “military plane” and nothing else. Just like they quote so many others out of context. They ignore dozens of eyewitnesses who saw and identified to a T what plane hit the Pentagon, and focus on one or two who say “it looked like a missile”, which turned out to be a way that a person was describing it’s actions, while fully acknowledging it was a passenger plane. I don’t know if that example is 100% accurate, but it’s more of an example to show what they do. They cherrypick what they like out of everything, so they’ll have no problem taking that “military plane” line and dropping the rest.

Of course, Rove has had 5 years to photoshop them out…

Perhaps you just don’t believe anyone could land a large high speed aircraft on an aircraft carrier deck in the middle of 20 ft seas either. Our nuggets don’t like doing that either. But many have tried and made it. And flying a 757 or 767 is like driving a bus. It doesn’t necessarily move around (waggle its wings, do flips, etc…) quickly, but it sure as Hell can be flown straight and fast, and that’s what it was doing at the Pentagon.

So allow yourself to believe that one determined pilot, even with a few hours in simulators, can manage to fly straight and low right into the side of a building. Stranger things have happened. Like not believing it was all a government conspiracy to kill thousands of Americans to start a war for oil which we don’t have and have to buy from terrorists anyway. That’s logical!

Nah, forget what your eyes and brain tell you to be the Truth and instead believe it was all a conspiracy requiring the support and assistance of thousands of government employees to covertly pull off this atrocity without detection or a single one of these persons leaking or providing any evidence to support that assertion. It had to be Bush’s fault. Right?

“Slack jawed” wouldn’t be the word I would use to describe that premise.

Subsunk

I have always wondered about the Pentagon attack.

Well, you are one of the resident liberals… Take a look at this and put your mind at ease (also, you could just consider all the eyewitnesses who watched it fly over their heads):
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html

Anyone else having trouble with the last video, I guess it’s the amateur one?

What struck me about the CNN/Today Show retrospectives was how calm everyone was–my recollection of the Kennedy assassination or even the atttempt on Reagan is that the reporting was a lot more chaotic and frenzied.

pilot Tim Timmerman — who saw Flight 77 crash into the Pentagon with his own two eyes.

Don’t you know that he and the hundreds of “eyewitnesses” are in on it? They’re paid off and brainwashed by the Bush administration, like the thousands of other people needed to pull off such a humongous conspiracy.

By the way, what is with the anchor saying that you would speculate or guess that there is something wrong with navigational equipment after seeing two planes hit the towers. Everyone, including those at Fox said immediately “this is no accident”.

I suppose it’s the pre-9/11 mindset, that we were “safe”, and it could be hindsight but his desperate attempt to find an “innocent” explanation is pretty annoying.

Between five and ten minutes before 9am while the F & F were inside interviewing Rob Thomas’ wife, Marisol, I believe, outside a technician changed the channel on a TV monitor to another station.

That station was CNN where they already had live video of the smoking WTC tower #1 on the air. So yes, I hate to admit it, but they got the scoop on Fox, though only by minutes.

Allah at Hot Air has edited CNN’s 9/11 footage down to the essential 27 minutes. It’s must viewing, especially for the swelling legions of lunatics who peddle perniciously idiotic theories like a plane didn’t really crash into the Pentagon.

By…

It’s been on my mind all day, but I’m only just now getting the chance to sit down and collect my thoughts about the events of September 11, 2001. Hot Air has clips of CNN’s coverage from the morning of 9/11. There’s something about seeing a repeat…