Video: America-hating nutjob Fred Phelps condemns Stewart, Colbert
posted at 1:50 pm on September 9, 2006 by Allahpundit
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If you’ve ever wondered what he does with his time when he’s not crashing soldiers’ funerals with “God Hates Fags” signs, here’s your answer. ComCentral’s dynamic duo should have a field day with this on Monday, although as you’ll see, it’s already pretty far down the road towards being parody.
Reminds me in some ways of the latest Adam Gadahn video. Except, of course, that Phelps restricts himself to merely wishing for America’s destruction, not actively trying to bring it about.
The toast graphic is priceless, though.
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Human Smegmamania!
Kid from Brooklyn on September 9, 2006 at 1:59 PM
I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone so sorely exercised by the “Satanic spirit of mockery” before.
Blacksheep on September 9, 2006 at 2:10 PM
Man, everyone is video blogging these days.
I love the signs full o’ crazy circling the globe, though.
Comedy gold.
Slublog on September 9, 2006 at 2:11 PM
I’d never seen this sack of scheisse actually speak before. Now that I have, I’ve come to the conclusion that perhaps Mr. Phelps’ diatribes are perhaps an effort to conceal his own “godless sodomite” tendencies.
Methinks Mr. Phelps doth bite the pillow, too.
Kid from Brooklyn on September 9, 2006 at 2:17 PM
I think this guy has a real fetish for sodomy.
He keeps going on and on and on about it.
Kini on September 9, 2006 at 2:20 PM
Except who is the goose and gooser?
Kini on September 9, 2006 at 2:21 PM
I wonder if about ol’ Fred’s fixation on this story, you think he maybe has fantasies about the ending?
B Moe on September 9, 2006 at 2:32 PM
I glad he he uses the Bible and not the Quran, otherwise he’d be call for someones head to be lopped off.
But then again some Bible thumpers are really out there.
Kini on September 9, 2006 at 2:41 PM
Good afternoon Mr. Phelps.
Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to read Matt 7:15-23, and realize that it applies to you.
speed647 on September 9, 2006 at 3:34 PM
What a happy little fellow!
bbz123 on September 9, 2006 at 3:56 PM
Yikes! How can one refute someone who quotes the Bible, chapter and verse? Well, we judge the insane on their actions, not their words.
One sad point is that the Islamofascists point the finger of riteous indignation for the same reasons that Phelps cites. The difference is that I don’t see any of Phelps’ followers killing anyone over that. Yet.
DannoJyd on September 9, 2006 at 4:00 PM
I say at the outset that I disagree with this man’s tactics. I think berating the families of dead homosexuals and honorably killed soldiers is reprehensible. But aside from his tactics, where is he wrong?
I realize most of you don’t know any more about the Bible than you do quantum physics but, aren’t the Bible, Koran and Torah BASED on the threat of God’s punishment for SIN? I ASSURE YOU they are. While you may not like Phelps’ tactics, neither do I, there can be no denial that he speaks the absolute truth as it is contained in the Bible!
Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of the sin and acceptance of the sin of homosexuality, PERIOD. America is now well on the way to making acceptance of homosexuality the LAW, or did you miss all of the “anti-
discrimination” laws, that make you a criminal if you refuse to rent property to sodomites? Did you miss Sheila Kuel, disgusting person from Dobie Gillis fame, using fascistic tactics to ensure that California school children are “protected” from any dissenting views on Sodomy? For the uninformed this is a bill that PASSED BOTH houses of the California legislature only to be vetoed at the last minute by alleged Christian and Republican, Arnold “boy, these Latinas are hot” Schwarzenegger! He did incidentally sign the bill that makes Christians have to accept homosexuals in their midst or else they forfeit any gov’t funding, by the way. Had he not intervened it would be ILLEGAL to speak ill of Sodomites and their practices!
They are already teaching your children that “Heather has Two Mommies” before they can spell Mommy and you people sit there mute like sheep. It is because of the “mocking” of people like YOU, the allegedly religious, that this sin has been allowed to flourish. Becaused people like you sat by quietly when the first homosexual asked for your “tolerance”. People like me told you it wouldn’t stop there but you couldn’t see that. You mocked, you called people reactionary. Now vile miscreants demand the right to “MARRY” each other and still you do not vomit.
Intoxicated by the pat on the head from liberals, you began to question the efficacy of the Word yourself. The Bible is BASED on God punishing entire civilizations for turning their backs on Him. The hope of heaven is based on the promise that God is going to punish the wicked for their sins and reward those who have repented. While I disagree with Phelps’ approach, does not God “Hate Fags”?
Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
What part of “ABOMINATION” are you shaky on? For those of you who stupidly IMHO, think that this is Phelpsian “spin”…..
Leviticus 18:24-30
Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
(For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)
That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.
For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God.
While Phelps is wrong in his approach, IMO, he is right on the facts. You however are wrong in both.You have no facts because you do NOT understand the Bible, preferring the more “liberal” applications of scripture which are Judgement Light. Your approach, which is to be “tolerant”, is also wrong, nowhere in scripture does Jesus say, “Love the sinner, hate the sin”, this is what has your churches full of unrepentant homosexuals and fornicators now! I say “unrepentant” because we were all in either of the aforementioned groups prior to salvation! 1Co 6:9-11
THIS is the Biblical approach to fornication, please understand that there would be NO conditions under which Paul would allow a homosexual to remain amongst them, IF HE WAS KICKING OUT FORNICATORS! You know who they are don’t you? They are HETEROSEXUALS who continuosly have sex outside of marriage!
1Corinthians 5:11
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
Paul warned you against accepting this sin and others into your midst. You who are “tolerant” of abomination are the reason we are plagued with this sin. You were the “gate keepers”, since liberals sure as heck can’t read the Bible, and you opened the gates of hell with your “tolerance”. Liberals have always run riot so you can’t even blame them, YOU are the ones who allegedly accept Christ as your savior, while being “tolerant” of all he came to save you from.
Soothsayer on September 9, 2006 at 4:12 PM
Shouldn’t he join the “religion of peace”?
Memo to self: Gotta buy more ammo.
Not a Dhimmicrat on September 9, 2006 at 4:19 PM
So do you think God is okay with incest, then?
B Moe on September 9, 2006 at 4:21 PM
Should we expect more from a Gore supporter who ran for Governor as a Democrat?
RightWinged on September 9, 2006 at 4:48 PM
Mellow out Sooth.
Mark V. on September 9, 2006 at 4:57 PM
soothsayer,
1- I don’t believe in God. Yours or anybody elses.
2- I like sodomy. My personal preference is for the hetero version.
3- The Bible is BASED on God punishing entire civilizations for turning their backs on Him.
He’s been pretty lax for the past 3000 years. If he ever did exist, he’s long gone.
PeteRR on September 9, 2006 at 6:05 PM
See Jesus and the New Testament PeterRR.
RightWinged on September 9, 2006 at 6:12 PM
The Old Testament maybe, the New not so much.
B Moe on September 9, 2006 at 6:12 PM
Not today, but when he created genetically flawless humans to begin with, who else where Adam and Eve’s children to reproduce with? With each generation information is lost and mistakes are made in our DNA, etc. which is why after a while God forbid such types of marriages. That’s sort of the gist, but for a much lengthier explanation, check this out. If you’re truly interested, be sure to read the entire thing, otherwise you will miss important points.
RightWinged on September 9, 2006 at 6:20 PM
Rightwinged,
I hadn’t noticed him smiting the Mongols, the Romans, or even the Crusaders who put Jerusalem to the sword. You think he’d have at least sent the Archangel Michael to Auschwitz in 1944. Chopping SS Einsatzgruppen in half with his fiery sword would have done wonders for Christianity’s recruiting numbers.
I hate to say it, but I think God took early retirement. We’re on our own.
PeteRR on September 9, 2006 at 6:49 PM
My GOD is Doh Ray Me $$$!
But I understand you can’t take it with you.
I wonder if all that hate will follow in the hereafter?
Better check the spiritual bank account and see if there’s enough savings to get into heaven.
I understand real estate is somewhat selective.
Kini on September 9, 2006 at 6:54 PM
And it’s a gated community and watched by some guy named Peter.
Or so I’ve heard….
Kini on September 9, 2006 at 6:57 PM
PeterRR, how is your reply to me a reply at all to what I said? I’m not going to preach here, but read what I said. See the New Testament and Jesus. That was, for all intents and purposes, an “end” to his wiping out of civilizations. Jesus died for our sins, rather than us dying for them, we can now have eternal life through Him. It is then our decision to accept Jesus as our Savior. Again, I don’t want to preach, and didn’t even want to type that little bit, but you made what I believe to be a ridiculous and disrespectful statement, and attempted to respond simply and without getting in to a theological debate. If you choose not to look in to it, it’s your decision, but your reply comes like one of a liberal (just so you know). It’s a total diversion and unrelated to my reply.
RightWinged on September 9, 2006 at 7:06 PM
(to be clear PeteRR, I’m not accusing you of being a lib, but your response reminds me of one, when you toss out a bunch of comments unrelated what I said, as if it’s somehow a response to it)
RightWinged on September 9, 2006 at 7:11 PM
I am a Christian, some might even say a ‘bible thumper’. But I have never heard anyone–even preachers spit out the word of God with as much venom as this fellow. I think he is doing us a terrible disservice by doing that. Something is creepy about the people singing at the end while that sign goes flying around the earth…Even 30 years ago I never heard people hating that much, and on top of everything, doing it in the name of God.
Cao on September 9, 2006 at 7:38 PM
It’s only a disservice if people are stupid enough to associate this Democrat with real Christians. Sadly when I look at America, I see that many are stupid enough to do just that (associate him with us).
RightWinged on September 9, 2006 at 7:41 PM
Soothsayer, posts like yours are why people think the ‘religious right’ are a bunch of wild-eyed wingnuts. If you want to preach, take Paul’s advice and preach Christ crucified, instead of judgmental condemnation.
speed647 on September 9, 2006 at 7:41 PM
Here’s the real question folks… How can anyone be a homo when there are creations like Bethany in the world?
RightWinged on September 9, 2006 at 7:48 PM
It could be worse… He could be strapping on a bomb belt and exploding buses full of innocent women and children while shouting “God is Great” and thinking they’re on their way to a virgin orgy.
RightWinged on September 9, 2006 at 8:28 PM
Speed647, you beat me to it.
Soothsayer and PeterRR, you are mistaken about the Bible. The whole point is not that God will punish sins and destroy the godless. That does happen, but that’s not the message. The message is that Christ died for us and suffered our punishment so that we don’t have to! I do agree that modern society is too accepting of immoral behavior, but it is hardly confined to America. I don’t think that preaching the old testament is the answer. Not enough people understand the historical or cultural background of the Old Testament. It is, however, very easy to understand Christ crucified for our sins, just as Paul (and speed) said.
Jezla on September 9, 2006 at 9:46 PM
PeterRR, how is your reply to me a reply at all to what I said?
I’m no Bible scholar, but it seems to me that the Old Testament is still “on the books”. I don’t recall where Jesus repudiated the Old Testament. It would be hard to do so since his Pop is omnipotent/omniscient and wrote the thing. ;)
As an atheist Republican, I’m more than willing to listen though.
PeteRR on September 9, 2006 at 9:46 PM
It’s not about “repudiating” anything, read what I already said. Perhaps as a Republican, I can put it to you this way… You understand there is a pre-9/11 and post 9/11 world, right? Likewise, there is a pre-Christ and post-Christ world. I don’t know how to make it any clearer than what I already said, which was:
In a world totally gone nuts, God sent his son to die for all of our sins, because not one of us was without them. This was a new “strategy” if you will. This was a “change in policy”. He sent his son, in an act of mercy and essentailly that ended all the wiping out of cities for not following him. This is getting really boring to me now because I feel like I’m totally wasting my time if you didn’t get what I’m saying already. You may not believe in God or anything, but the point I was making couldn’t have been clearer already.
RightWinged on September 9, 2006 at 10:23 PM
True that. Interesting though how both mindsets seem to involve extreme sexual frustration.
speed647 on September 9, 2006 at 10:26 PM
Fred says: “It is now too late for you to repent… there is no longer any remedy for you… America is now irreversibly cursed of God and doomed” That’s not what my Bible says. I’m thinking that Fred is going to be in for a big surprise when Yehoshua calls him to task for preaching this; doubly so for doing it in His name.
I’m embarrassed to live in the same state as this idiot.
The Monster on September 9, 2006 at 10:30 PM
speed647:
Please explain… I’m not challenging what you’re saying, but my head is in a few different places right now and I’m missing something here I think.
The Monster:
Careful, saying that is what got the Dixie Chicks in trouble.
RightWinged on September 9, 2006 at 10:40 PM
RW, OK here goes, but this is just my humble opinion.
Both the jihadi and the hyper-judgmental Christian are people in the grip of a religion they perceive to be based in rules and regulations: Legalism. And legalistic requirements regarding sex are seen as strict and unyielding. In the case of the Jihadi, his religion (Islam) is exactly that – strict and unyielding, so his perception is accurate. He must comply with Islam’s rules about sexuality or he is violating Sharia law. Sexual frustration guaranteed. Why else would the promise of virgins in Paradise be such a powerful motivating force.
Christianity however (true Christianity) is not a religion – it is faith in Christ. Unfortunately though there are those legalistic Christians that use the Bible’s guidelines on sex to construct a legalistic system of morality that is next to impossible to live by, and then condemn anyone and everyone who doesn’t comply with their interpretation of “godly sexual morality.” “If I can’t do it then neither can you!” Yet another recipe for sexual frustration.
Both camps have an irrational need to control the sexual behavior of others, as they see a demanding God trying to control their own.
speed647 on September 9, 2006 at 11:03 PM
Gotcha. But I hope you would agree that this is a fringe group of Christians that act this way, and that the large majority of Christians would in fact condemn them for behaving that way.
Anyway, I’m a Christian, but I don’t try to argue against homosexuality (a word I hate to even use because I think it legitimizes it) based on the Bible, because in all likelyhood those I’d be arguing with wouldn’t believe or follow the Bible in the first place. I argue against it simply because it’s illogical.
RightWinged on September 9, 2006 at 11:57 PM
I hope you are right about that. Unfortunately the “fringe” gets most of the public attention.
Good point. “Go forth and multiply” comes to mind. Ya can’t do that with two Mommies or two Daddys…
;-)
speed647 on September 10, 2006 at 12:08 AM
If he wasn’t being serious, I would say that is one of the funniest things I have ever seen. I do not think Stewart could make a parody any more ridiculous than that.
zerodamage on September 10, 2006 at 12:09 AM
Well it’s really no question… This is one a-hole and his little flock of douches. But aren’t there something like 60 million evangelicals in the country? While we personally condemn the behavior, and as I said, see the lack of logic behind it or any basis for it being real (meaning born trait), we don’t show up at soldiers’ funerals to chant “God hates fags”. That has nothing to do with Christianity, this guy is just an unhinged nut. Just like the Warren Jeffs crew, they don’t represent Christianity. Thought there is something to be said about this… Gays can have their “gay pride parades” etc., but can you imagine the outrage if a Church or otherwise conservative group held a “straight pride parade” and chanted against gays with signs saying things like “Gay isn’t natural” “Talk to me when you’re able to produce offspring!”, etc. It’s the free speech for some mentality.
The thing is, it would be frowned upon by virtually everyone for such a hypothetical parade to happen. But virtually no one condemns the in your face gay parades, that many find about as offensive as anything.
Anyway, off on a bit of a tangent. My point is, I think you can see that this guy is not even a fraction of a fraction of a percent or else you’d see many others. Instead you just see his idiotic group who behaves the way they do, a way that most Christians would say is contradictory to Biblical teaching.
RightWinged on September 10, 2006 at 1:02 AM
Absolutely. But I’ve been around churchgoers long enough to see that Soothsayer’s expressed viewpoint is not all that rare.
speed647 on September 10, 2006 at 1:06 AM
This is getting really boring to me now because I feel like I’m totally wasting my time if you didn’t get what I’m saying already.
I understand the whole concept of the Son sacrificing himself for our sins. But, if God created the whole Universe and is all-knowing then he knew humanity would fail from the beginning, so the “New” Testament is only new to us. He knew about it all along. From the moment he said, “Let there be light”.
I don’t want to get into a situation where I’m attacking the basis for the 3 major monotheistic religions, but how does the personal God of Abraham, who talks about the existence of other Gods, get to be the one, the only God who created the Universe? Longevity? Seniority? A PR person(Paul) for the ages?
Getting back to Phelps. I think if the Christian God exists, Phelps is going to hell for a being a giant prick. Jesus wasn’t a fag-basher.
PeteRR on September 10, 2006 at 1:08 AM
He was the One from the beginning. The ‘other gods’ are counterfeits.
Exactly. The phrase “Love the sinner, hate the sin” is not in the Bible, as Soothsayer correctly pointed out, but an honest examination of Jesus’ compassion for sinners in the Gospels shows that Jesus did exactly that. And as Christians we are directed to follow His example. Phelps is so far out in left field that he’s in a different county.
speed647 on September 10, 2006 at 1:19 AM
Many who do not believe in Hell, will find themselves there. The sad truth is that the religion that most of you have been associated with is weak and generic. I say this not to be mean but to instruct. Most of you come from some offshoot of Catholicism, be it, Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran or Episcopalian, sadly none of these churches Baptize the way it was done in the Bible, i.e in Jesus’ Name as opposed to the empty titles of “Father, Son and Holy Ghost”, nor do they require their congregation to receive the Holy Spirit with the same evidence that the Apostles both received and required (speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives utterance).
This means that an Apostle wouldn’t even recognize what passes for faith in America. Sadly, most of you who think yourselves to be Christian, lack the basic understanding of either Christianity or the Bible itself. This is not surprising when you consider that each time you call a priest “Father”, or the Pope, “Holy Father”, you violate a commandment of the Lord Jesus Christ. MATTHEW 23:8-9 These are the words of Jesus btw, remember him?
But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
And call no man your FATHER upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
Now how do you explain priests causing you to blaspeme all these years? I mean, of all the things in the bible to be “shaky” on, the words that come directly out of Jesus’ mouth, probably wouldn’t be a good place to start.
I hit you with this big “wow” and it should be if you looked it up, because I want to prove to you that you have no idea what you’re talking about. One of the most fundamental things to your faith you absolutely do not understand. Don’t get me started on the Idolatry involved in praying to Mary, Peter or anyone whose name ISN’T Jesus! This is the reason that you fail to realize that Phelps is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT RIGHT, according to the Bible! It’s only his tactics that make him a nutbag, not his doctrine.There’s even places in the Bible where it says to do EXACTLY what he’s doing. Another guy that they thought little of, had a message that went something like this, “REPENT THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND”, his name was John and he was the forerunner of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. I’m sure the “stiff necked and rebellious” of his day, were like, “Repent? We have no need of repentance! What’s this idiot talking about?” Did you know that the Bible itself endorses people YELLING IN YOUR FACE and TELLING YOU YOU’RE GOING TO HELL? Well, it does my friend, it does!
EZEKIEL 3:17-19
Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me.
When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. ( So there is at least a scriptural basis for telling those who support homosexuality that they are going to die in their sins)
He’s right and you are wrong. I simply choose not to live my life screaming at people and upsetting them. But then again, I’ve never been much of a “people person”, meaning, I don’t care enough about most people to teach them anything, a flaw, I know.
I notice that not one of you whiners bothered to reply to scripture with SCRIPTURE, preferring instead to talk about how you “feel” or “equality” or some other junk. The bottom line is that the purpose for which Christ came was to provide a way out of the DEATH SENTENCE which has hung over man since “ORIGINAL SIN”, get it? Along the way, the Lord has provided EXAMPLES in scripture for you to learn.
One of those happened to deal almost exclusively with two things, an entire region being overcome by the sin of homosexuality and the punishment for that choice. PERIOD. In fact, Peter, the First Apostle, keeper of the keys of the kingdom of heaven, certainly no piker, had this to say on the subject. The Parentheticals are Mine.
2Peter 2 1-9
1. But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. ( These are the people you learned the Bible from. The Catholic or Liberal church,that’s what the word “Catholic” means, liberal, is the church that changed the Baptism and falsely taught that you don’t have to have the same experience that the Apostles had, namely speaking in other tongues, Acts 2:1-4, Acts 2:38, Acts 10:44-48, Acts 19:1-6, etc.)
2. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. ( note how many of you have been conditioned throught the false teachers to look down on “fundamentalist” tongue talkers while the Jesus himself declares it to be the sign of His followers! Mark 16:15-20 )
3. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.(televangelists anyone?)
4. For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5. And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6. And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
(oops! Did the Bible through the first Apostle just tell you that Sodom and Gomorrha was an EXAMPLE FOR YOU? And that likewise you would suffer the same fate as them if you followed after them? Hmmmm.)
7. And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
8. For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;
9. The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
(Now you would have to be a complete idiot to read the above and NOT conclude that the Bible is based on the concept that God punishes NATIONS for sin.)
The things I tell you are not open for debate. They are fact. Read ‘Em and Weep. Here you have the First Apostle telling you how this game is played my friend. Don’t blame me if you first heard of Christ through some watered down lukewarm church that didn’t teach you the Word properly. Check the Scriptures! Are you Baptized like the Apostles were? (Acts 2:38) IF NOT, WHY NOT? Have YOU received the Holy Ghost SINCE you believed? (acts 19:1-6) Sadly, most of you can’t even answer the question because you don’t know what the heck I’m talking about, sad. If you’re going to disagree on a point of Biblical doctrine, have the courtesy to make your points through Scripture, not your own opinon or “feelings”, or what “seems” right, that way lies error.
Proverbs 14:12
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
GOOD NIGHT AND GOOD LUCK…lol
Soothsayer on September 10, 2006 at 1:23 AM
No! You really had me fooled.
There’s an old saying: “When you point your finger at someone, three fingers are pointing back at you.”
Matt 7:1-5
speed647 on September 10, 2006 at 1:30 AM
Wow, God’s love for mankind is just dripping from your posts. Christianity is not the rigid system of judgment-from-on-high you claim it to be, my friend.
“Christians” like you drive people away from God, not toward Him.
speed647 on September 10, 2006 at 1:42 AM
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.
Romans 3:23
Valiant on September 10, 2006 at 2:01 AM
Alright PeteRR, I think we’re done anyway… I just wanted to make clear that when you talk about God not wiping out civilizations anymore, you were missing that we’re in a “post-Christ” world (to sum up.)
As for soothsayer… I have to say I haven’t even read his comments because I’m just not up to it at the moment… too long, and too detailed for me to look in to… But to follow up on speed’s 1:30 comment, I give you Luke 6:41-42
Seriously though, I see you (soothsayer) are criticising everyone else’s “version” of Christianity… I didn’t get far enough to determine your “version”, but I have to agree with criticisms of Catholicism. There is just too much about it that has nothing to do with the bible and too much ritual and tradition, again outside of the bible. I don’t currently attend any church or belong to any particular sect because I feel like in order to have the personal relationship with Christ, it is more “real” outside of following specific teachings of a specific church. No matter what you’re going to have a pastor/priest telling you “this is the right way”, but not if you read your own Bible at home. Nothing wrong with church, but I’m not a fan of getting attached to a church and almost holding it up as if it were God…. alright, I’m way to tired to continue this… see ya’ll tomorrow.
RightWinged on September 10, 2006 at 2:03 AM
I liked him in Phantasm.
see-dubya on September 10, 2006 at 4:31 AM
Does than mean he does not care for Stewart, Colbert?
Wade on September 10, 2006 at 12:29 PM
None of your “liberal, god loves everyone” replies are worth the time it took you to type them. Honestly, you people argue like a bunch of LIBERALS. The discussion was about the doctrine of RETRIBUTION, remember? You were all so offended that Phelps thought that this NATIONS embrace of homosexuality was “problematic” for this NATION. I just showed you how the Bible is BASED on that concept, yet you make silly comments like “Judge not lest ye be judged”, further showing your ignorance. You act like I”M JUDGING someone! The Bible does that folks. God is the one who set the penalities for sin and like a bunch of whiny liberals you try to shift the subject to “my judgements”. The Point which has yet to be refuted is that the BIBLE not ME, the BIBLE SPECIFICALLY TELLS YOU that EMBRACING HOMOSEXUALITY WILL CAUSE GOD TO STRIKE AN ENTIRE NATION and you think I”M Judging someone. I show you where the Apostles, who taught you EVERYTHING ELSE THAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW, were the ones who told their followers that Sodom and Gomorrha has GENERATIONAL implications, and was an “object lesson” for them, if you will. This might be why HE called it an ABOMINATION, but I’m just spitballin’ here.
You might as well have called me “homophobic” in Rush Limbaughs’ whiny liberal parody voice, at that point, for all the sense you’re making! For the record, honestly, I only thought I would have to explain this to a bunch of stupid liberals, you folks have REALLY suprised me with how little you understand of the faith you supposedly embrace. When I say something is “NOT OPEN TO DEBATE”, my post is accused of lacking “love”, how gay. But common sense should tell you that there are plenty of things in the Bible that aren’t open to debate. Is the fact that Mary was Christs mother, open to “interpretation”? Of course not! How about Baptism? Nope! Then why would you think that the Doctrine of Christ is? I mean why on earth did he COME and more to the point, why would he be coming back to kill the bad people if it’s all about love?
You do at the very least, understand that the “second coming” is about Christ coming in, oh heres that word again, “Judgement”, don’t you? You are familiar at least in part, with the CONCEPT of the BOOK OF REVELATION being the wrap up to all of this aren’t you? Well what is the main course for Judgement day, little children? Isn’t it people being thrown into the LAKE OF FIRE? Now, why would Jesus be doing that? Really, your understanding of Christianity borders on lunacy! NO JUDGEMENT? Did you know that JUDGEMENT in the Bible is not what you think it is? You just don’t know enough to understand it yet. If “Judging’ someone was what you think it is, the Bible which does not contradict itself , would indeed contradict itself because the followers of JESUS were told to JUDGE ALL THINGS, duh!
1 Corinthians 2:14-16 (King James Version)
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.
See, my having the “mind of Christ” which is fully contained in his oh, WORD, YOU are not making a JUDGEMENT by telling someone that a nations embrace of homosexuality leads to ruin. THE MIND OF CHRIST ALREADY TOLD YOU THAT BY TELLING YOU WHAT HAPPENED TO THE INHABITANTS OF SODOM AND GOMORRAH.. my goodness how could you be this thick? What the heck do you think it’s in the bible for? Why does Peter tell you it was there as an example of behaviour YOU DIDN’T WANT TO EMULATE, if it was up to you or “OPEN FOR DEBATE”?
Riddle me this Batman, when Christ confronted the men over the adulterous woman they were about to stone, did Jesus say that she hadn’t committed adultery? Or did he say that “He who is without sin, cast the first stone”? To your feeble understanding this means don’t notice that she is committing adultery when caught in the act, as she was? Or does it mean that THE JUDGEMENT that you so preciously avoid isn’t the OBSERVANCE of behaviour being sin, it is ENACTING THE PENALTY FOR THAT BEHAVIOUR which is DEATH! Jesus was telling them that JUDGEMENT (penalty enactment) is HIS and HIS alone. But he certainly wasn’t telling you that SIN IS NOT SIN AND IS HERETOFORE OKAY WITH HIM!
The doctrine of Christ is about ONE thing and one thing only. Providing a way for THE FOLLOWERS OF JESUS CHRIST TO ESCAPE GOING TO HELL. Period. IF you think it’s about any thing other than that, you are seriously mistaken, to put it mildly. Notice I said “Followers of Christ”, Jesus is not “multi-religious” like some so-called Christian nutbags are claiming. Like Jesus is going to accept some follower of Allah or something.
JOHN 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Is this too “open for debate”? ROFLMAO.
In the explanation of humanity, meaning what kind of people are on earth and where are they all headed, Jesus was quite specific when detailing for His Apostles, the divergent strains of humanity, if you will. This can be found many places, but one that readily comes to mind, is the parable of the “WHEAT AND THE TARES”, this can be found in the 13TH CHAPTER OF MATTHEW. MATT 13:24-30, if you can’t understand me I know you won’t understand that, so I won’t even bother to print it. Look it up yourself. I will, however print the EXPLANATION for this parable which is also in the 13th chapter of Matthew. See, when Jesus first told them the parable, he spoke in cloaked words, using terms like, “FIELD”, “WHEAT” and ‘TARES” and “ENEMY”. This confused His apostles, so I hardly blame you for not understanding, despite my snarky tone,…lol? However, he did go on to explain what He meant and here is that explanation.
MATTHEW 13:38-42
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
DON’T argue with me if you don’t like it, argue with Jesus. You cannot in good conscience add or take away from the purpose of Christs coming as described by CHRIST! You cannot escape the doctrine of JUDGEMENT DAY, with liberal platitudes about “loving everyone”, not when Jesus SAYS YOU CAN’T. Here you see the Wheat, those that have followed Jesus being spared and those who have not being destroyed.
If he’s not going to destroy those, practicing the same thing, for which HE DESTROYED SODOM, what would be the point?
Jeez, you act like this is MY idea! BELIEVE me, I am holier than NO ONE. Quite the contrary, I was the lowest of the low. I did things in this life that human beings could NEVER forgive me for. Jesus did say, that those he has, “forgiven of much, love him much” and THAT my friends is me. I simply recount for you what Jesus ACTUALLY said, not what some lying church watered it down to. In closing I would suggest that you search yourselves.Read the New Testament and pray for God to reveal the truth, he will, he’s done it before. Do you really understand what Jesus REALLY came for? Or did you accept what someone told you?
Because the world would have you believe that Jesus came to bring “Peace and Goodwill towards men”, right? This too, is a perversion of scripture. For Jesus himself declared that His purpose was the EXACT OPPOSITE and WHO is it that TWISTS scripture so that it’s meaning has been turned on it’s head? Satan. Remember Eve and the, “He didn’t say you would die did he? He’s a crazy kidder, no, he meant that you’d become “really smart like Him”, that’s what He’s scared of!”. I paraphrase. Oh, and about Jesus coming to bring “PEACE ON EARTH”?
Matthew 10:34-36 (King James Version) (Emphasis mine)
Think NOT that I am come to send peace on earth: I came NOT to send peace, but a SWORD.
For I am come to set a man at variance AGAINST his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.
See, the part of this you don’t understand is how can THIS be coming out of Jesus, the soft “loving” Jesus the liberals told me so much (little) about? Well, the Lord sets a SEAL on those who are HIS, (Ephesians 1:13-14) This is the Holy Spirit. Contrary to the lies on TBN and in the Vatican, the only way to get it is the way Peter told you to get it. (Acts 2:38) The act of water baptism in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST (not empty titles like “father son or holy ghost”), followed by true REPENTANCE, receives an ANSWER from Jesus Christ. The same ANSWER that was poured out on the Day of Pentecost in Acts Chapter 2 and in the SAME way. Evidenced by the Spirit of Jesus Christ entering your body and speaking through you in languages that you never learned. This is how Jesus SELECTS those that are His, not through them raising their hands and arrogantly deigning to “accept Him as their “personal” saviour”, gee thanks a lot. The true repenter gets down on his or her knees determined not to rise until they have PROOF that they have been forgiven. As the Spirit Giveth Utterance (Acts 2:4). Sadly, the same DIVISION that you find in the “denominations” which shouldn’t even exist, (eph 4:5), will occur in families where some of them “think” they are saved but do not have the same proof. This will cause bitter rifts in families, because some are accepted and some are not. The bible declares that it is the “goodness of God that leadeth a man to repentance” and if he “leads’ you he will certainly provide you with proof of it. The world thinks they get to accept him…again quite the contrary is true. He must accept you . But your churches would be a lot smaller if you actually taught the truth. But as you see, I have now, using the words of Jesus himself, proven my point and in doing so, showed you things that no one else has. My boast is in the Lord. It’s not too late, take heed. Search the scriptures and see if these things aren’t true. I would that none of you perish. I don’t tell you these things (which are divisive) to BE divisive. God bless you all.
Soothsayer on September 11, 2006 at 2:16 AM
Oh I am so fervently glad I’m on the other side!!!! Thank you Jesus!!!!!
Did you ever notice how people always quote the Bible to point out other people’s failings and try to dictate other people’s behavior? The idea of turning the other cheek, loving thy neighbor, the Beatitudes, not so much; but you can’t swing a dead cat without some asshole telling you that homesexuality is an “abomination”.
Personally I’ve always wondered about this obsession with other people’s sex lives.
honora on September 11, 2006 at 11:32 AM
Only an idiot would think that observance of the Beatitudes, stops sin from either being corrosive or being in fact, sin. The rise of homosexuality in this country, the indoctrination of our children by hell bound liberals, was not started by “bible thumpers”. It was started by a bunch of perverts who, listening to their Father the devil, sought to corrupt the most innocent among us, the children. Perhaps you’ve wondered at the liberals almost constant attacks on the youth, speech codes on campus, denying Bible clubs, while welcoming SODOMY CLUBS. You would prefer it seems a world where we let you teach all manners of disgusting behavior to our children while we stand mute, “tolerantly”. Get thee behind me satan. Not on my watch.
We tell you that you are going to hell for your acceptance of homosexuality, because you are trying to MAKE US VALIDATE YOUR SIN, Honora. Let’s not act like your perverted cousins aren ‘t trying to change the world in the image of YOUR Father the Devil. John 8:44. The reason that liberals like you hide behind innocuous scriptures in the bible like, “love they neighbor’ etc, is because, like the terrorists, you seek to use our laws, against us, while observing none of your own.
If you really understood the “Beatitudes” you would see that none of them were amoral homos or fornicators. If you really understood love, you would see that there is no greater act of love, than to tell a stupid liberal where his stupid liberal lack of morality is going to send him. Namely, to Hell. You people want to take all the fruit of Jesus, without seeing the Tree. The tree means there is right and there is wrong Honora and your silly opinions of the two, don’t matter a whit.
Jesus laid out all of the roads that lead to heaven and all of the roads that lead to HELL. Why would he do that if he wasn’t fully prepared to send transgressors there? But, as YOU say, You are on the “other side”. Of course you couldn’t answer my doctrinal presentation with any thing approaching Scripture because the bile in your heart against all that is good, has placed a veil over your “eyes” preventing you and other liberals from being able to understand it anyway.. See Romans 9.
It’s the reason the Catholic Church worships in a way that seems to be a step by step refutation of all that Christ came to do and teach. They are “spiritually blocked” from perceiving the truth, just like you. Perhaps you’ve wondered why Jesus used terms like, “He who has eyes to see, let him see” and “He who has ears to hear, let him hear”, perhaps you’ve even wondered what he meant by, “My sheep, hear my voice” and “those who are NOT my sheep, do NOT hear my voice”. That is because the Word of God is a “discerner of the thoughts and the intents of the heart” Heb4:12, it’s not passive like your words it’s active, actively seeking out those for whom it was intended. Again like a stupid liberal you try to change the subject to me “dictating other peoples behavior”. How trite. The discussion which you clearly are not smart or blessed enough to understand, was about the Biblical doctrine of Judgement and it’s application. I merely pointed out concretely, from whence this doctrine springs, as there are many like you, so infested with liberal rot that they think Christ is welcoming sodomites into heaven.
As to “dictating other peoples behaviour” quite the contrary, I defy you to point to a single place where I TELL PEOPLE NOT TO BE HOMOSEXUAL OR FORNICATORS. I did not. I simply told you what the BIBLES position is on such things minus the liberal god forsaken spin. As I said previously, my biggest flaw is that I’m “not a people person” meaning that I don’t care enough about most people to educate them properly. Although as one laden with gifts of the Spirit, this is quite within my purview. In short, I don’t give a rats ass how you or any other sodomite lives, dies, or burns in Hell. I simply was reaching out to the apparently few, actual Christians that might be persuaded by Christ’s actual words. Do as you please, have no fear that I will intrude, I don’t care. For the record, the Bible declares that loving someone means telling them when they are in error.Not helping them wallow in it, but that’s a lesson for another day. See the quote from Ezekiel in my earlier posts. You have to be pretty stupid not to realize that the FLOOD OF FAGGOTRY that has infected this country has been allowed to happen chiefly BECAUSE Bible thumpers were silent. Cowering in fear afraid of being called “judgemental” by miscreants like you who twist the scriptures to promote their filth. When the first patch work quilt of a transexual declared his/her/IT’S right, to teach our children in grade school, there should have been a riot. As Alec Baldwin is wont to say, “in a better time, we would have gone to their houses and stoned them”. So it is because those who knew the truth, did nothing, that your filth has been allowed to run rampant through this land. I say enough. This far, no further. And MANY, it seems, are coming to the same conclusion.
Soothsayer on September 11, 2006 at 3:20 PM
No, please, more!!!!!
Tell us why you support Republicans. That’s something that needs some of your particular kind of insight–I know I’m all ears!
honora on September 11, 2006 at 3:56 PM
Perceptive question Honora.
Have you ever seen someone drowning? I worked as a lifeguard (very briefly), many years ago. They taught me a “rule” which followed something that I once learned all too painfully. They said “Be Careful how you save a drowning man! It might come down to HIM or YOU.” I had two friends who drowned while their girlfriends sat on picnic blankets nearby, totally unaware of the crisis. Later it was said that one died while trying to save the other. See, when saving a drowning man, the guy that’s really in danger? IS YOU. The man you’re saving is in high distress, past reasoning. He will cling to anything blindly, fervently hoping that it will stop the inexorable descent into the depths. This usually stops the rescuer from being able to swim, thus causing both of them to drown.
I am not a Republican. Not anymore. I gave that up when Bush tried to put his Grandmother on the Supreme court. When she constantly referred to this representative Republic as a “Democracy”, I had one foot out of the door. When the Bush admistration refused to go after Sandy Berger, who had obviously committed treason by stealing classified documents that would have shed light on the Clinton administrations flawed ideology which LED DIRECTLY TO THE TRAGEDY OF SEPTEMBER 11TH, prior to testimony before representatives of this Republic CHARGED with finding out what went wrong, the foot was now on a banana peel. Republicans working with the Dems in the “GANG OF 14″, when they had a perfect chance to get whatever judges they wanted by eliminating the democrats ability to filibuster, caused the foot to slip the rest of the way out of the door. Especially considering the way the Dems spit in the Republicans’ faces after Lott sucked up to them with that whole “power sharing” thing. Remember how they kicked all the dumb assed Republicans off every “shared” committee once they BRIBED Jim Jeffords to switch parties? Now, years later McCain kisses their butts again? Not me, baby! I may not win every battle but I’m always tryin’ to win, honey. Get it? So while I am NOT a Republican, I DO vote to put them in office because they are ever so clearly, the only chance I have before I drown. They are the ONLY thing standing between the feculent rot the liberals would unleash on this world.
For God’s sake woman, LIBERALS were teaching 11 year olds about “Golded Showers” in a sex ed course in Michigan! Planned Parenthood is marketing “I HAD AN ABORTION” Tee Shirts. A liberal Supreme Court Judge thinks it’s okay to have sex with twelve year olds and was brash enough to publish this opinion (Ginsberg). Shamefully, nonsensical Republicans DIDN’T filibuster this cretin, preferring to allow a pedophile onto the Supreme Court rather than disrupt the “comity of the body politic” but I digress.
Look at the slide into perversion that has gripped this country in the last few years. These changes are HERALDED by the children of satan (LIBERALS). Ever read the story of how Sharon Stone likes to advocate giving blow jobs to twelve yr olds? This story appeared all over the web and went completely unnoticed by the MSM which would three monts later, begin hyping Basic Instinct 2.
Look at how this sick freak couldn’t wait to pervert the mind of this child! She didn’t even go to the Mother and say ” Hey, I’m Sharon Stone, nutbag activist and I’d like to discuss giving head with your preteen”. No, the thing that lives inside of her and motivates her couldn’t wait to pervert this child. You see the same tactic being used by liberals in the school system, what with a judge ruling parents don’t have a right to decide what perversions are shoved down their childrens throats and all.!
I keep a file which is updated and sent to many friends and others, it’s called, “Can You BELIEVE It?” It contains articles taken from WorldNet Daily, Newsbusters, Drudge Report, Reuters, AP, and all other wire services. The only thing that they have in common is that these are all things that Liberals are trying to do to us and that the Mainstream Media, is running “interference” for. Here’s a partial list of titles. Parentheticals Mine.
1. Pedophiles to Launch Political Party-AP (Netherlands AP)
2. U.N. making homeschooling illegal? WND (They don’t want them to miss those homosexual indoctrination courses that religious people somehow don’t get around to at home!)
3. Teacher shows nude videos to 7th-graders-WND
4. Judge orders San Diego cross removed. Gives city 90 days in case brought by ACLU-backed atheist.WND
5. Bill to ban ‘mom, dad’ from texts advances, California law would remove sex-specific terms from books, mandate pro-homosexual lessons. WND (this is the world liberals desire, they even got “Representatives” to vote FOR it”)
6. Families file federal suit over ‘gay’ readings, Teacher argued same-sex marriage story OK because practice legal.( So SODOMY now becomes a nursery rhyme for liberals, huh?)
7. Businessman ordered to duplicate lesbian’s videos, Virginia Christian investigated after refusing job on biblical grounds. (Is this “tolerance” of religious views, which liberals deceptively claim to honor?)
8. X-rated ‘children’s’ books outrage students’ parents, Titles on required-reading lists, offerings in libraries include bestiality, sex drawings .
( “Beloved,” by Toni Morrison, was assigned to 12th-graders but has a sixth-grade reading level.”‘Beloved’ contains oral sex, incest, rape, pedophilia, graphic sex, extreme violence, sexual abuse, physical/emotional abuse, infanticide, and an extensive amount of profanity,” states the classkc.org website. “The first two chapters contain five references to sex with cows in addition to other types of sex.”)
9. How homosexual school clubs offer sex to students. WND
10. District accused of equating Bible with profanity, Policy barred mention of God in connection to campus prayer event. WND
11. Teacher reads 2nd-graders story about ‘gay’ wedding ; Since same-sex marriage is legal in state, administrator says no parent OK needed. (Remember Ms Stone?, this is actually a different story than the aforementioned.)
12. Bible verses regarded as hate literature, Court rules Scripture exposed homosexuals to ridicule. (CANADA) – WND
13. Pedophile advocate featured at university Penn State’s latest controversial event includes sadomasochist author.WND
14. Amazon sells ‘deadly’ pedophile magazine NAMBLA Bulletin named in suit involving rape, murder of boy.WND
15. Google hosts ‘boy love’ site, Family counselor presses Web giant to dump it.WND
16, San Fran Catholic attack results in lawsuit, Church’s morals called ‘insulting,’ ‘hateful,’ ‘defamatory,’ ‘insensitive,’ ‘ignorant’. A stridently anti-Catholic resolution passed unanimously by the San Francisco Board of Supervisors has prompted a federal lawsuit.-WND
17. National PTA shuts out ex-homosexuals. Welcomes ‘gay’ activists to convention, shuns other side.WND
I was going to go to 20 but my fingers got tired, although I hope the point has been made.
The reason that I support Republicans is because of the world the DemoNcrats are zealously trying to create. Their condemned nature cries out for ruin and waste, fueled by their ever increasing hatred of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Soothsayer on September 11, 2006 at 6:02 PM
Oh honey, if your friends were anything like you, I’m guessing this might not be the whole story!!!
Well I don’t know about your point, but mine has absolutely been made. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! I think you should talk to everyone you meet and tell them your story, stressing you support Republicans. Everyone!
honora on September 12, 2006 at 11:42 AM
Oh honey, if your friends were anything like you, I’m guessing this might not be the whole story!!!
Soothsayer on September 12, 2006 at 4:27 PM
BTW the point of the list of headlines above was to show you how much your liberal allies identify with SATAN and PERVERSION. But it seems you were too stupid to grasp this. Our interaction is now at an end.
Soothsayer on September 12, 2006 at 4:29 PM
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