Comments on: FauxPhotography: Did the windshield on the Reuters van magically heal itself? (Update: Shrapnel?) (Update: Windshield debunked) http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/ The world’s first, full-service conservative Internet broadcast network Wed, 15 Feb 2012 07:09:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Confederate Yankee http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/comment-page-1/#comment-44549 Confederate Yankee Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:23:32 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/#comment-44549 <strong>Armored Vehicle Experts: Reuters News Vehicle Not Hit By Israeli Missile...</strong> There has been quite a bit of debate in the blogosphere surrounding this story (note: link has been deactivated) of several days ago: An Israeli air strike hit a Reuters vehicle in Gaza City on Saturday, wounding two journalists as...... Armored Vehicle Experts: Reuters News Vehicle Not Hit By Israeli Missile…

There has been quite a bit of debate in the blogosphere surrounding this story (note: link has been deactivated) of several days ago: An Israeli air strike hit a Reuters vehicle in Gaza City on Saturday, wounding two journalists as……

]]> By: Egfrow http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/comment-page-1/#comment-44388 Egfrow Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:22:40 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/#comment-44388 I made a little <a href="http://codemite.com/images/ambulance/" rel="nofollow">update </a>to compliment Zombie's #782 report. Shoes and Fire Axes. I made a little update to compliment Zombie’s #782 report. Shoes and Fire Axes.

]]> By: JasonG http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/comment-page-1/#comment-44277 JasonG Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:07:35 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/#comment-44277 Yeah, its the front. if you zoom in on the bottom right of the photograph you can see the steering wheel. Yeah, its the front. if you zoom in on the bottom right of the photograph you can see the steering wheel.

]]> By: Blog-o-Fascists http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/comment-page-1/#comment-44247 Blog-o-Fascists Wed, 30 Aug 2006 02:30:04 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/#comment-44247 <strong>Reuters Missile Attack, Updated...</strong> Power Line A reader points out that this photo, which is said to be of the interior of the Reuters vehicle that ostensibly was hit by one or more Israeli missiles on the night of August 27, shows a cracked windshield: Whereas this photo, also alleg... Reuters Missile Attack, Updated…

Power Line

A reader points out that this photo, which is said to be of the interior of the Reuters vehicle that ostensibly was hit by one or more Israeli missiles on the night of August 27, shows a cracked windshield:

Whereas this photo, also alleg…

]]> By: NPP http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/comment-page-1/#comment-44223 NPP Wed, 30 Aug 2006 01:22:14 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/#comment-44223 If it was shrapnel that hit the top of that van, it must have been about the size of a watermelon travelling at a very high velocity downward to deform the plate armor in that manner. It must have been travelling with a lot of little fragment friends to make all the smaller frag damage on the roof. If that's the case, it would certainly rule out a 70mm rocket. It would take a much larger weapon. In my experience, I've never seen a "frag" from a weapon that big unless it was part of the weapon itself, like an entire guidance section. You'd be amazed at what parts of a missile are left after it explodes. The fragmentation casings that surround warheads are specifically designed to break into small pieces. They wouldn't be big enough to make that hole. Not sayin' that's not what happened, but I think my rocket theory is more probable based on the evidence. If it was shrapnel that hit the top of that van, it must have been about the size of a watermelon travelling at a very high velocity downward to deform the plate armor in that manner. It must have been travelling with a lot of little fragment friends to make all the smaller frag damage on the roof. If that’s the case, it would certainly rule out a 70mm rocket. It would take a much larger weapon. In my experience, I’ve never seen a “frag” from a weapon that big unless it was part of the weapon itself, like an entire guidance section. You’d be amazed at what parts of a missile are left after it explodes. The fragmentation casings that surround warheads are specifically designed to break into small pieces. They wouldn’t be big enough to make that hole.

Not sayin’ that’s not what happened, but I think my rocket theory is more probable based on the evidence.

]]> By: Niko http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/comment-page-1/#comment-44213 Niko Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:51:49 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/#comment-44213 Actually, that's what I did, and they confirmed that no car would expose such rust that fast in no known climate of this planet. And a car chassis is not like "an ordinary steel soup can". No offence, but since Allah already posted the story about how the Reuters car was merely hit by shrapnel and not by ordnance I don't see how your theory holds any water. Actually, that’s what I did, and they confirmed that no car would expose such rust that fast in no known climate of this planet. And a car chassis is not like “an ordinary steel soup can”.

No offence, but since Allah already posted the story about how the Reuters car was merely hit by shrapnel and not by ordnance I don’t see how your theory holds any water.

]]> By: NPP http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/comment-page-1/#comment-44209 NPP Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:33:22 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/#comment-44209 Niko, Here's an experiment for you. Take the top off an ordinary steel soup can. Use some sandpaper to sand the steel's protective coating off the lid. Place it in a medium-high humidity warm environment overnight. See what happens. If you do a google search on "flash rust" you'll see what I'm talking about. It's a common issue in the auto body world - call your local car body shop and ask them. Niko,

Here’s an experiment for you. Take the top off an ordinary steel soup can. Use some sandpaper to sand the steel’s protective coating off the lid. Place it in a medium-high humidity warm environment overnight. See what happens.

If you do a google search on “flash rust” you’ll see what I’m talking about. It’s a common issue in the auto body world – call your local car body shop and ask them.

]]> By: Old War Dogs http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/comment-page-1/#comment-44205 Old War Dogs Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:22:41 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/#comment-44205 <strong>Is it Tuesday already? (Continuously updated throughout the day)...</strong> Feels like another Monday. Some days there just ain't enough coffee. I put a lot of time, and a lot of me, into those last two posts last night. Sitting here with Still in Saigon doing an endless loop in... Is it Tuesday already? (Continuously updated throughout the day)…

Feels like another Monday. Some days there just ain’t enough coffee. I put a lot of time, and a lot of me, into those last two posts last night. Sitting here with Still in Saigon doing an endless loop in…

]]> By: Umnumzana http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/comment-page-1/#comment-44204 Umnumzana Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:19:29 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/#comment-44204 THeDRiFTeR: <strong>Israel was guilty of not using hundreds of thousands of cluster bombs, carpet bombing both Gaza and Southern Lebanon! That is their only crime!</strong> THeDRiFTeR: Israel was guilty of not using hundreds of thousands of cluster bombs, carpet bombing both Gaza and Southern Lebanon! That is their only crime!

]]> By: Pablo http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/comment-page-1/#comment-44191 Pablo Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:24:26 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/#comment-44191 Yes, that is the front windshield, and yes it is cracked. The interior shot I've linked to death shows it as well, and I agree with the trajectory you describe. I don't agree that it was a missile that went through the roof because the interior would have been severly damaged. But the passenger seat, aside from being dirty, is nearly pristine. Drifter, up your meds, buddy. Yes, that is the front windshield, and yes it is cracked. The interior shot I’ve linked to death shows it as well, and I agree with the trajectory you describe. I don’t agree that it was a missile that went through the roof because the interior would have been severly damaged. But the passenger seat, aside from being dirty, is nearly pristine.

Drifter, up your meds, buddy.

]]> By: Snapped Shot http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/comment-page-1/#comment-44190 Snapped Shot Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:23:04 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/#comment-44190 <strong>This doesn't look right...</strong> For some reason, the following photo, taken from the scene of a supposed Israeli missile strike that hit a REUTERS truck, does not look like missile damage to me... I'll be working on pulling more photos off of the wire today, and will post them to... This doesn’t look right…

For some reason, the following photo, taken from the scene of a supposed Israeli missile strike that hit a REUTERS truck, does not look like missile damage to me…

I’ll be working on pulling more photos off of the wire today, and will post them to…

]]> By: see-dubya http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/comment-page-1/#comment-44186 see-dubya Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:15:38 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/#comment-44186 One of the other things that threw me off is that the lettering is backwards from the direction you would expect it go--it's right side up if you look at it from the front instead of from the back. And slanted, slightly off kilter...almost as if it were done deliberately as a hastily stenciled mock-up for a psyop... kidding. kidding. One of the other things that threw me off is that the lettering is backwards from the direction you would expect it go–it’s right side up if you look at it from the front instead of from the back. And slanted, slightly off kilter…almost as if it were done deliberately as a hastily stenciled mock-up for a psyop…

kidding. kidding.

]]> By: Allahpundit http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/comment-page-1/#comment-44184 Allahpundit Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:09:52 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/#comment-44184 Yeah, look at the rack on top of the van in my photo and PL's. No doubt about it. Yeah, look at the rack on top of the van in my photo and PL’s. No doubt about it.

]]> By: see-dubya http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/comment-page-1/#comment-44183 see-dubya Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:08:21 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/#comment-44183 AP, on the footage you first posted of this, you can see the back side has a little door with a little window. So I'm pretty sure we're right. AP, on the footage you first posted of this, you can see the back side has a little door with a little window. So I’m pretty sure we’re right.

]]> By: mikeyboss http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/comment-page-1/#comment-44182 mikeyboss Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:02:24 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/#comment-44182 Drifter, From the article you link: <blockquote>The agreements between Israel and the United States regarding the use of the weapons are secret. It is not illegal under international law to use such weapons against enemy combatants.</blockquote> Drifter,

From the article you link:

The agreements between Israel and the United States regarding the use of the weapons are secret. It is not illegal under international law to use such weapons against enemy combatants.

]]> By: JunkYardBlog http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/comment-page-1/#comment-44181 JunkYardBlog Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:58:12 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/#comment-44181 <strong>Shrapnel....</strong> Shrapnel. Five Palestinians including a Reuters Television cameraman and another photographer for Dubai Television were wounded before dawn Sunday by rocket fire from Israeli aircraft, witnesses and medics said. Shrapnel from two missiles struck two ca... Shrapnel….

Shrapnel. Five Palestinians including a Reuters Television cameraman and another photographer for Dubai Television were wounded before dawn Sunday by rocket fire from Israeli aircraft, witnesses and medics said. Shrapnel from two missiles struck two ca…

]]> By: a4g http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/comment-page-1/#comment-44178 a4g Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:46:28 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/#comment-44178 It's the front window, unless the back has the same exact layout of antenna, "TV P R E S S" marking, and the little black dot thing just under and to the left of the first S in 'Press'. Is it possible that the inner lamination of the bullet proof glass shattered, and so the high-incidence Powerline photo shows no apparent damage, whereas the glare-free picture above shows the break? It’s the front window, unless the back has the same exact layout of antenna, “TV P R E S S” marking, and the little black dot thing just under and to the left of the first S in ‘Press’.

Is it possible that the inner lamination of the bullet proof glass shattered, and so the high-incidence Powerline photo shows no apparent damage, whereas the glare-free picture above shows the break?

]]> By: Hot Air » Blog Archive » Reuters van attack: 70mm unguided rocket? http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/comment-page-1/#comment-44176 Hot Air » Blog Archive » Reuters van attack: 70mm unguided rocket? Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:42:18 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/#comment-44176 [...] Update: Could it have been shrapnel? See here. [...] [...] Update: Could it have been shrapnel? See here. [...]

]]> By: Hot Air » Blog Archive » Fauxtography PSA: Don’t be stupid (Update: More on 70mm rocket) http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/comment-page-1/#comment-44175 Hot Air » Blog Archive » Fauxtography PSA: Don’t be stupid (Update: More on 70mm rocket) Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:41:51 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/#comment-44175 [...] Update: Could it have been shrapnel? See here. [...] [...] Update: Could it have been shrapnel? See here. [...]

]]> By: THeDRiFTeR http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/comment-page-1/#comment-44173 THeDRiFTeR Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:40:05 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/#comment-44173 Is <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/25/AR2006082500209.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> not news worthy of debate and discussion? Israel has already admitted to and expressed regrets for the Reuters truck strike. What has your readership to say about their using clusterbombs illegally, as they have done before? Is this not news worthy of debate and discussion? Israel has already admitted to and expressed regrets for the Reuters truck strike. What has your readership to say about their using clusterbombs illegally, as they have done before?

]]> By: Niko http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/comment-page-1/#comment-44172 Niko Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:37:43 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/#comment-44172 Why not cut to the chase? Ask someone, <em>anyone</em> in the region to scratch the paint off some piece of metal, or an old car part, and let it hang in the vicious Lebanese/Palestine sun for a day, and we'll see how that dreadful climate magically transforms it from fresh-cut to rusty. Unless, of course, another military expert steps in to explain that the IAF/UAF has that new weapon system thingie that carries an additional cask with super-corrosive liquids. Why not cut to the chase? Ask someone, anyone in the region to scratch the paint off some piece of metal, or an old car part, and let it hang in the vicious Lebanese/Palestine sun for a day, and we’ll see how that dreadful climate magically transforms it from fresh-cut to rusty.

Unless, of course, another military expert steps in to explain that the IAF/UAF has that new weapon system thingie that carries an additional cask with super-corrosive liquids.

]]> By: Ace of Spades HQ http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/comment-page-1/#comment-44169 Ace of Spades HQ Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:31:06 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/29/fauxphotography-did-the-windshield-on-the-reuters-van-magically-heal-itself/#comment-44169 <strong>Uncle Jefe Makes Powerline...</strong> Nice. Why don't you have your own blog, smart-guy? Powerline quotes Uncle Jefe's observations that the first footage of the hit press van showed a dark armored vehicle, and not the white vehicle now being represented as the truck. One...... Uncle Jefe Makes Powerline…

Nice. Why don’t you have your own blog, smart-guy? Powerline quotes Uncle Jefe’s observations that the first footage of the hit press van showed a dark armored vehicle, and not the white vehicle now being represented as the truck. One……

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