Centanni and Wiig have been gone for about a week now and we still haven’t heard any news, that I know of. The whole thing is very strange (ransom note? video? hello?). Roy Hallums was held for several months in……

I think you have a valid point here….

Brain Jazz today at Pajamas Media where the name of the tune was: Doomsday Watch: The End of the WorldOmnes: (Chanting) Now is the end – Perish The World! A pause Peter :It was GMT, wasn’t it? Jon : Yes. Peter : Well, it’s not quite the conflagration…

Good points. I completely agree. It IS unfair to young Arab males…so their community should do something about it and STOP PREACHING THE DOWNFALL OF THE WEST, LOPPING OFF HEADS, AND COMITTING MASS MURDER.

What we are talking about are the degrees to which people’s nervousness supercedes their desire to go about their normal business. We all know that ‘dry runs’ are planned and made on a regular basis by the nutcases out there. A few people pointing out their suspicions not only might abort some of these, but might help peg some terrorists before the act.

Yes, it’s unfair to young Arab males; but, as I told my son any number of times, who ever told you that this was a fair world? And a lot of the profiling would stop if young Arab males would rat out their bomb-making brethern in the mosques rather than just shrug it off.

If the global war does explode with the muslim world vs. all infidels, then who do you think will end up being massacred wholesale? Innocent muslims wouldn’t stand a chance, so they need to be the front line troops against these thugs in their mist, not just in Iraq, but all over the world. for their own protection.

I am getting outvoted on the case for mutiny. I guess the assumption that it is unthinkable to not go along with the program makes this a mutiny. I prefer ‘rebellion’.

It’s shameful because they’d already been screened

Allah, you have a lot more faith in the “screening” process at the world’s airports than I do…

Until DFW airport treats suspicious looking persons as El Al would, I can’t rest easily when I see servous middle-eastern men…in coats…in summer…

it is another thing for the passengers to mutiny

Hey, they aren’t in the Navy

It is one thing to employ racial profiling as the part of security measures, it is another thing for the passengers to mutiny because they dont like the look of a couple muslim guys on board.

kaltes on August 22, 2006 at 5:31 AM

Racial profiling as a security measure is not being done, because it is discriminatory.

Racial or any other profiling done by passengers is their right. Passengers have no control over who boards a plane. They do have right to think for themselves, and refuse to board.

This isn’t refusing to sit next to a ‘colored person’ on a bus in 1950 Alabama. This is making a snap decision on the odds of their getting murdered on the next leg of their vacations.

There is a world wide declaration of intent to murder. Past murders have been cheered more than jeered across the islamic world.

I have discussed this with friends. We would be happy to pay extra to fly on a higher security airplane. Body searches, strip searches, no belts or neckties, prison issue uniforms – whatever. It could not possibly be 100 percent safe, but it would be as safe as we can make it. And we want pilots armed.

Norm Mineta can fly those other planes. If it isn’t good enough for the President, why is it good enough for me? No way would the President be put on a plane next to two unknowns who meet the profile.

But a spokesman for Monarch defended their decision. “The captain was concerned about the security surrounding the two gentlemen on the aircraft and the decision was taken to remove them for further security checks.”

What made a trained captain so suspicious? Muslim terrorists planned on blowing up ten passenger jets, and the media is whining how insensitive passengers are when they eject two passengers with layers of clothes on, and one of the female passengers asserts that they said something alarming in Arabic.

The media, as far as I know, have not interviewed this woman, stated whether she knew Arabic, or presented her side of the story. Neither has it stated the captain’s perspective. We have heard CAIR’s perspective loud and clear, though.

The passengers are not acting irrationally; they are acting rationally. Were screeners just a couple of weeks ago checking for liquids in carry-ons? Were there any Scandinavian grandmothers implicated in the plot?

When passengers see two Arabs speaking Arabic in oversized clothing and acting suspiciously, they have a rational reason for being scared.

Like one of the commenters above said: if it bugs you that much, then you should get off the plane. Not them.

I agree in principle. But the captain and the female passenger in this particular case felt the safety of the entire plane was in jeopardy. We haven’t heard their sides of the story, and we can be sure the MSM won’t present it.

It’s shameful because they’d already been screened.

And we just know the screeners must have done a good job with all the aggressive screening policies they have in place and their willingness to prioritize security over sensitivity, don’t we?

Like one of the commenters above said: if it bugs you that much, then you should get off the plane. Not them.

I’ll give you that one. By don’t blame someone for not wanting to fly in such circumstances.

kaltes:

It really doesn’t matter if a particular religious or ethnic group has the market cornered on crime/terrorism in this situation. What matters is the likelihood that these two guys in particular were terrorists.

No, actually it does matter, since people that fit the terrorist profile are more likely to commit terrorist acts. Simple, really. If we had some magical system to immediately determine whether a particular person was going to commit a certain act, there would be no need to profile in the first place. But we don’t, so instead people have to play the odds.

I notice it’s August 22, and we still seem to be here.

PJM has a roundup.

Update: See …

All they were doing was talking. They weren’t making suspicious trips to the bathroom, they weren’t playing with their shoes, they weren’t pouring beakers of things into other beakers in their seats. Just talking.

Like one of the commenters above said: if it bugs you that much, then you should get off the plane. Not them.

So … no flying with Arabs, period?

No, but personally I don’t blame anybody for being suspicious of young Arab males wearing unseasonably warm clothing.

Jim Treacher on August 21, 2006 at 10:59 PM

Amen!

AllahPundit is missing the point with his assertion that what the passengers did was “shameful.” In the West, we profile Scandinavian grandmothers, Korean children, etc. at airports to not hurt anybody’s feeling.

No wonder people are now feeling that they can’t trust sensitive liberals and “moderates” and the societies they have created for keeping us safe on airplanes. Natural result: We don’t trust the screeners to keep us safe. They might be too sensitive.

Therefore, if I see two Arabs on board with beards praying the Koran with layers of clothes on, I’m going to fear for my safety as well.

Jim Treacher asks a great question, AllahPundit: What are the root causes of this fear? How is this fear “shameful”?

I have never tried it, but I always got the impression if I didn’t board the plane in time it would just leave without me.

It’s not supposed to leave with your luggage but without your person.

The plane bound from Malaga, which had 150 passengers on board, was due to take off at around 3am, last Wednesday, but was delayed by around three hours after three families refused to enter the Airbus 320 aircraft unless the men were removed, and a further two families with children left the plane in protest.

Does it seem to anyone else we may not be getting the whole story here? The plane waited three hours because some people refused to board? I have never tried it, but I always got the impression if I didn’t board the plane in time it would just leave without me.

It seems to me that all too many of these “boy scout” Muslims are all to happy to keep their mouths shut and simply claim victimhood as in the case in Canada. In which case, are they really such Boy Scouts? Opportunists seems to me to be the better choice of words.

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It’s the end of the world as we know it and we feel fine… as of now. So we thought that we might as well track it throughout the day, at least while the going is good and the Apocalypse……

2. CNN reports that Iran is going to give their formal response to the UN at 1630 THEIR time, or 0730 Central Daylight Savings time. We’ll know what it is at that time.

3. CNN reports that Iran has fired on, and captured an Romanian Oil rig.

The Iranians first fired into the air and then fired at the Orizont rig, said GSP spokesman Radu Petrescu. Half an hour later, troops from the ship boarded and occupied the rig and the company lost contact with the 26 crew members shortly afterward.

Perhaps this is their “considered” response to the UN Security Council’s resolution.

Just a thought

Kaltes – Not the same argument. ALL terrorists in the world right now are Muslims,and ALL terrorist acts are committed by Muslims. But while black males may be disproportionally represented, it is certainly not true that ALL crime is committed by black males. If Every single crime in America were committed by black males, your damn right we’d be having a debate about throwing them off the busses.

It really doesn’t matter if a particular religious or ethnic group has the market cornered on crime/terrorism in this situation. What matters is the likelihood that these two guys in particular were terrorists. Only a very tiny percentage of muslim males have boarded planes intent on committing terrorist acts, perhaps a few dozen out of hundreds of millions of muslim males living worldwide.

It is one thing to employ racial profiling as the part of security measures, it is another thing for the passengers to mutiny because they dont like the look of a couple muslim guys on board.