Please stop with the August 22nd crap
posted at 7:20 pm on August 21, 2006 by Allahpundit
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It’s already the 22nd in Iran, but let’s not get bogged down in details. I can’t believe this cow chip is getting red-font treatment at Drudge.
It’s a simple matter of strategy. If you take the skeptical approach and nothing happens, you’re the voice of reason. If something does happen, then Iran’s even crazier than we thought.
Win/win for a hawk.
By contrast, if you’re credulous and something happens, you’re a prophet. But if it doesn’t, you’re a kook whose alarmism will help persuade the uninformed undecided that the threat from Iran isn’t as severe as it is.
Win/lose, in other words.
Which position would Blaise Pascal take? Assuming he wasn’t French and therefore inclined to ignore the whole problem, that is.
Either way, I’m glad we have moderates like George Soros to help fight the “extremists on both sides.”
Update: While I’m lecturing, and at the risk of stating the obvious, let me say that this is shameful. Some news articles are actually referring to it as a “passenger mutiny,” which is doubly shameful since it evokes Flight 93. Just like with the hysteria over August 22nd, the only people who benefit from this sort of pants-wetting are Islamists and their apologists.
It’s easy to forget at the moment, but some Muslims are boy scouts. Literally.
Update: “Hannity & Colmes” will be talking about this tonight. Super.
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FINE. Go ahead and make a mockery of it.
Lame.
NTWR on August 21, 2006 at 7:25 PM
Yes, I am an extremist, I extrememly want to keep breathing free.So does that make me morally equivalent to someone who wants an extreme death?
Let Soros waste his money on the Democrats.
bbz123 on August 21, 2006 at 7:27 PM
Yup, Cheney and his minions are on my roof destroying my dish as we speak. /sarc
Soros is a committed leftist. . . as long as he is in charge.
MCPO Airdale on August 21, 2006 at 7:51 PM
Allah, I agree with you but I disagree about Pascal’s wager. I would guess he would err on the side of caution and buy out all the canned goods at wal-mart just in case..
RobertCSampson on August 21, 2006 at 7:57 PM
Wow. A reference to Pascal’s Wager. I’m impressed!
nukemhill on August 21, 2006 at 8:14 PM
Hey I get paid on the 23rd, the 22nd is just one day closer to it.
speed647 on August 21, 2006 at 8:39 PM
Pascal’s wager, bane of the atheists. hahah. I’ve never been impressed with the reasoning I hear from atheists when they try to reason their way out of it. Of course you will never convert any of them with it, because I dont know a single atheist who really could be reasoned out of their conviction/faith that there is no God.
kaltes on August 21, 2006 at 8:41 PM
Yeah, but you have to look at the root causes.
Jim Treacher on August 21, 2006 at 9:03 PM
Birthday party, cheesecake, jelly bean, boom!
Drtuddle on August 21, 2006 at 9:07 PM
Haha nice one Jim, if there is anything the war on terror has taught us it is that terrorism works because there is no shortage of people who are pathetically stupid and afraid. Allah is giving an example of terrorism working. Those people who raised hell and left the plane are people who have succumbed to terrorism.
I really hate it when people just act out emotionally instead of going to the ballot box and fixing the situation with things like immigration reform and candidates who will put security first. That isn’t what happens, though.
kaltes on August 21, 2006 at 9:17 PM
First let me say that he sounds Italian and based on what Wikipedia (is it right on? or not, it is Wikipedia, afterall)had to say he didn’t finish his, er, “thoughts”, that he also left us all with Pascals Flaw.
kaltes: I am an atheist, second and a human being first. Pascal’s Wager is fundamentally flawed with close scrutiny. At least in America I can believe whatever I wish to believe. However, I do not hedge bets. I believe what I believe and I have sufficient backup for my purposes. However, two things I know, I don’t believe it is possible, at least for me, to have such a huge ego that I would know the mind of any God, interpret anything a God might say and I know no God would want to speak to me. As I tell my kid, when I die and there is a God, then I’ll go to hell with all my friends and family. I choose, I accept. Simple.
Are people pathetically stupid and afraid? Maybe because the majority of people in the West have not had a decent education for the past forty years and so would become emotional about anything. Just look at the Middle East. I have never seen such emotionalism about every little bity thing, including things that simply are not true. Or the Left that is basically an emotional organ in the body politic. But, there you go.
sharinlite on August 21, 2006 at 9:53 PM
versus
Is Allah ceding the art of deft, gentle mockery to Kralizec, “the typhoon struggle that devours all“? Man bites dog!
Kralizec on August 21, 2006 at 10:05 PM
So we should all be vigilant and alert while traveling, except when we shouldn’t.
Jim Treacher on August 21, 2006 at 10:09 PM
and the people who died on the planes on 9-11 also succumbed to terrorism.
Personally I would weigh my pocketbook and find another way home if I had any intuit that the politically correct screeners were going to give someone a pass whom I did not trust.
I will not go on a plane to prove a point. Now, if they let me go on the plane on my terms (armed and with a posse) that would be different
A friend told me this story. Waiting alone at a bus stop at night in a really bad part of Detroit she was approached by a man with his hand in his pocket. He said he had a gun and wanted her to go back to the alley. She refused. She said his jaw dropped. He said “but I have gun“. She said “If I am going to die I would rather die in public than in private. Get lost sucker”. Luckily cops drove by and he beat it. Sadly so did the cops leaving her stranded.
Moral: I will die on my terms, not the TSA’s
I aint going on a plane if the fur raises on the back of my neck.
Some blogs are saying this is a good sign that people are rebelling against the weak security on planes.
When the President gets on board a plane with two unvetted suspicious islamic unknowns, then I will know it is safe.
entagor on August 21, 2006 at 10:10 PM
So … no flying with Arabs, period? Separate airlines for them?
Allahpundit on August 21, 2006 at 10:11 PM
Please, Allah, some of us favor expulsion as the decent minimum. Yes, yes, I’m a convert to ethnic cleansing. Yes, I have newfound respect for Slobodan Milosevic. Yes, I’ve been compared to Hitler before. No, the reductio ad Hitlerum doesn’t faze me.
Kralizec on August 21, 2006 at 10:18 PM
This reminds me of that story, I think it was last year, where this woman in America freaked out over a group of muslim-looking musicians. I am pretty sure I discovered that story through Allah’s posts, I think MM did a post on it as well. At first the woman’s alarmism was treated seriously and a lot of blogs picked up the story and treated it as a serious event. Then, as more information came to light, it was obvious that the men were no threat beyond their appearance, and the woman in question was having an unreasonably excessive reaction to their presence on the plane. I don’t know if that particular story had much of an impact on Allah or if he remembers it, but it opened my eyes to the negative impact this kind of wolf-crying hysteria has on the efforts of reasonable people to effect policy change.
kaltes on August 21, 2006 at 10:21 PM
I found the article I was talking about, the woman in question’s name was Annie Jacobsen. I wonder if she still believes that the men on that plane were terrorists, kind of like how Dan Rather still believes that TANG story was fake but accurate.
article:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14249
kaltes on August 21, 2006 at 10:28 PM
Nope. But I will make decisions just as I have had to do much of my life living in the inner city of Detroit without a car. I weigh the people around me and decide the odds.
I have had to beat it quite a few times. Other times there was no choice and I had a few close calls, having to present a gun on occasion (at home of course as this was before right-to-carry in Michigan).
I probably would not board a bus if I knew a psycho was on board. Been there. Done that. Logic doesn’t work.
Been shot at on the bus. First bullet missed my skull by about 1 inch. Next bullet blew out the window. I stopped riding that bus line. It wasn’t a capitulation to terror. It was simple survival to live and fight another day.
Good instinct. I later ran into others who had been sniped on the same line. Recurring problem, you see.
I always follow my gut now. I have faced down evil when there was no other choice, but no way will I let myself be setup by some fool proving a point.
A story from my father who saw major action across Europe in WWII. Watching a newreel about hedgerow fighting, with Germans on one side of the hedge, and Americans on the other, as a crass kid I asked my dad if he had ever done that. I later understood he had been at the Ardennes and battles up to Berlin.
He said they could hear the Germans just the other side. Did you kill them, I asked. He said no, the Sarge stopped them and whispered “Them’s rabbits”. So they left the Germans alone. And the Germans left them alone. He laughed telling me.
That was not the place for the fight.
entagor on August 21, 2006 at 10:33 PM
Honestly, what do you expect after all that’s gone on in the last 5 years (not to mention the last 30)? People are fed up, they are sick and tired of worrying that every single Arab/Persian/Muslim looking person might be a terrorist and they are no longer willing to tempt their fate with them. Our PC governments will not profile (I understand this might be changing in the UK, but I’ll wait until I see a sustained effort), even though we know what the profile of terrorist are.
Meanwhile, despite numerous atrocities committed in the name of Islam (and more attempted atrocities), the overwhelming majority of Muslims are deafeningly silent, if not too busy making excuses for the terrorists. The few that do genuinely speak out are so small in number that it makes not a wit of difference. If muslims refuse to aggressively condemn evil committed in the name of their chosen faith (or even make excuses for it), then who can blame others for thinking they approve?
This is called “reaping what you sow”. If muslims want to change the perceptions of us infidels who would rather not fly with them, then the ball is in their court.
thirteen28 on August 21, 2006 at 10:41 PM
No, but personally I don’t blame anybody for being suspicious of young Arab males wearing unseasonably warm clothing.
Jim Treacher on August 21, 2006 at 10:59 PM
I would fly with a muslim on El Al the Israeli airline if the Israelis gave him a pass
You can’t be sure 100 percent of anything in life, but if you are sure the authorities have tried to do 100 percent of what is possible, that is all you can hope fpr.
Our government has not done enough.
entagor on August 21, 2006 at 11:04 PM
I don’t know. A lot of the reasoning I see being used to excuse this incident could also be applied to blacks in America. What if a bunch of white folk rioted in a bus/train and demanded that two black men with clean records be removed from public transportation? Would anyone try to defend the white passengers in the same way? Their grievance would be no less legitimate, and their error would be the same. Would anyone dare to claim this is the blacks “reaping what they sow”?
There are a lot of young men out there who look middle eastern or central asian, and 99.9999% (or something like that) of them are not terrorists. I agree that profiling should take place, but it should be done by the professionals.
kaltes on August 21, 2006 at 11:10 PM
So what happens when the professionals won’t (or more precisely, can’t due to the laws in the case of pc-multiculturalism-infested western democracies)?
Your analogy is weak because there is no basis for it, as blacks have not been committing terrorist acts in the name of … well, whatever. What happened in this particular case is based on the reality of year after year of islam inspired terror combined with a refusal of that same 99.99% to speak out and openly condemn such acts (and in many cases, make excuses for the same).
thirteen28 on August 21, 2006 at 11:20 PM
I would not demand anyone be removed from a plane.
I said I would follow my instincts and not board if I saw anything not right. That is my right to self defense. Actually, my right not to be too stupid to live. I would do that because I believe the TSA is doing an inadequate job of screening.
I do that on the street all the time, with people regardless of color.
Right now, I do not consider the screeners at our airports to be ‘professional’. That is their job, but they are not allowed to do the job, because they have to play the politically correct game.
I cannot forget after 911 a group of several hundred retired FBI agents volunteered to work for free as screeners at our airports and they were turned down.
Meanwhile, Congress got together with the unions and made sure the current pack of screeners held their jobs.
Then, the TSA implemented a set of politically correct rules that were worse than the old standards for screening.
Nuts to that.
entagor on August 21, 2006 at 11:24 PM
If someone doesn’t want to fly with some suspicious Muslims, even after they’ve been checked over twice, that is fine. The decent thing to do is to miss the flight yourself. Demanding that somebody else, who has likely done nothing wrong, be thrown off the plane because of your insecurity is going overboard.
tommy1 on August 21, 2006 at 11:24 PM
I’ve been pretty much all over the August 22 thing, because I think that when Bernard Lewis sticks his neck out about something like this, it ought to be paid attention to.
It isn’t that important to me to be right or wrong about it. In fact I want to be wrong about it. But to not take it seriously as something that “might” happen–particularly in light of Iran’s nuclear ambitions, Ahmadinejad’s pronouncements about destroying Israel, the mullahs’ apocalyptic world view, and the “convienient” coincidence of Iran’s choice of now to hold massive “war games”–would be irresponsible IMO. It is better that public consciousness–particularly that of our military–to be particularly “focused and watchful”…and safe, than sorry. Just my humble opinion
My ego is not so big that I am afraid to be wrong. I am more afraid that there is something to it and the skeptics will treat it as the “dictator who cried wolf”–only to be shown that he is far worse.
With that said, I hope your status as a “grounded” pundit remains intact after tomorrow, even to the detriment of my own prognostication reputation, as I have been raising flags about the possibility for several weeks. I’ve always liked your work, so that wouldn’t bother me one bit.
On the other hand, a real live full-fledged war with Iran and Syria is only a matter of when, not if. I am with Michael Ledeen: the sooner the better.
discerningtexan on August 21, 2006 at 11:30 PM
I was.
EFG on August 21, 2006 at 11:32 PM
One of the “John and Ken” radio show hosts, is just back from a trip to Russia, via Denmark. He and his family went through London one day before the plot was outed. He said today, on the radio, that he, because this was so close to him and his family potentially being ‘blown up’, is now for profiling Muslim males btw. 18 and 45. His radio-show partner was trying to mock him but couldn’t get a word in…
Allah, also they gave credit to the MM blog, by talking about CAIR having been given a tour by Homeland Security, and having learned about it from MM’s site.
Entelechy on August 21, 2006 at 11:42 PM
The analogy is that in these people’s minds muslim males = terrorists, whereas in the analogy the people believe black males = criminals. This is a common belief in the US, and it is based on the fact that black males are highly disproportionately represented in the criminal population. Even though the odds are orders of magnitude higher that a random black guy on a bus is a criminal versus a random middle-eastern-looking male on a plane being a terrorist, no one would dare defend whites throwing blacks off of busses out of paranoia.
kaltes on August 21, 2006 at 11:43 PM
We’d be here all night trying to figure out whether the people on the plane were justified or not, because we’d first have to work out the basis for the determination; that is, we’d have to figure out what justice is or, if we’re slackers, we’d just have to agree as to what justice is, right or wrong. I’ll settle for observing that “if you don’t protect the matter, the matter will protect itself.” We don’t have a third choice; either our governments show us how security is competently maintained, or people will clumsily take matters into their own hands. By way of analogy, if the California legislature had reformed and reduced property taxes back in the 1970s, the people of California wouldn’t have approved Proposition 13, their poorly-framed bit of homespun tax relief. Given that the California legislature didn’t protect the people from high taxes, it was to be expected that the people would find a way to protect themselves, as ugly as it was.
Kralizec on August 21, 2006 at 11:56 PM
EFG, care to elaborate? I’m interested.
Anwyn on August 21, 2006 at 11:59 PM
Kaltes – Not the same argument. ALL terrorists in the world right now are Muslims,and ALL terrorist acts are committed by Muslims. But while black males may be disproportionally represented, it is certainly not true that ALL crime is committed by black males. If Every single crime in America were committed by black males, your damn right we’d be having a debate about throwing them off the busses.
rightallthetime on August 22, 2006 at 12:02 AM
The August 22nd ‘response’ could well have been the failed plane bombers, though the lunatic would have not taken credit for it.
Mike O on August 22, 2006 at 1:07 AM
Hey, I was a Boy Scout for a long time, and my watchword is still:
BE PREPARED
I blogged a little about Aug 22 as part of my cell phone article.
I’m not particularly worried, (’Course that’s easy for me to say since I live about halfway between Nowhere and Hardly Anywhere) but I definitely consider many nasty things within the realm of possibility, and maybe on the verge of probability.
But ignoring Ahmadinejad’s rantings and all the other terrorist and radical islamic hatred because it might not happen seems kind of like refusing to buy a fire extinguisher because you would be embarassed if there wasn’t a fire sometime.
Being prepared for a disruption of services and goods is just good sense in general, given the fragility of our infrastructure. Just look at New Orleans last year if you need an example of that.
I don’t see any reason to go around in a panic or proclaiming that there WILL be widespread and/or massive terrorist attacks tonight /tomorrow or maybe on the anniversary of 9-11-2001 etc.
But to NOT consider the possibility shows a definite lack of understanding of the enemies of civilization.
And given Blaise Pascal’s ‘wager’, I also believe he would stock up on canned food, water and other needs and comforts, as well as being wary of any physical dangers:
You can use the ‘goods’ up anyway if it is all blue skies and candy for the rest of your days…. So, no loss there. If something does happen, whether islam inspired or a natural disaster, if you AREN’t prepared, you are going to be deprived if not dead because of it.
I always liked the old saying:
Just because you are certifiably paranoid doesn’t mean that there there aren’t people out to get you.
LegendHasIt on August 22, 2006 at 1:11 AM
Y’all chill with this nonsense. I’m really not in the mahmoud for this shit.
BirdEye on August 22, 2006 at 1:15 AM
Ya, if the guy wants a nuke so bad, I say we just give him one. :-)
RobertCSampson on August 22, 2006 at 1:22 AM
By the way, if I can’t bring my bottle of Gatorade on the plane, then I sure as hell am going to raise a little hell if I see two obviously Middle-Eastern men acting suspiciously…dressed in leather jackets…in summer.
If the government won’t profile, then we should. I applaud the action of the members of the plane who acted on their gut feeling. I can understand their concern, having narrowly averted 9/11 part deux. I don’t really hear the followers of the religion of peace on TV nor on the radio with messages like, “Ya know, we do have a extremism problem in our mosques. We need your help to take care of it so we can all get along better, understand each other more fully, and dispell most of the suspicion our own inaction thus far has brought upon ourselves.”
If they’re not willing to start leaning our way…then profile them. Make them know we are watching them.
We should hear one of these stories once a week until the messages in the Mosques changes.
So Allah, no separate airlines for them, but if they are acting suspiciously, they can walk…
BirdEye on August 22, 2006 at 1:36 AM
The 22nd is such a big deal in itself, it’s the idea that once they get a nuke (which they will eventually. For God’s sake, it only took the US 3 1/2 years in 1945) they will immediately use it to wipe out Jews. A favorite passtime of the last 2,000 or so years dontcha know.
gmoonster on August 22, 2006 at 1:45 AM
No nuclear holocaust yet. No surprise.
Still, apparently something strange according to a story that hit the wires about 10 minutes ago. Iranian troops have attacked a Romanian oil rig off their coast that has been docked there for a year or two:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060822/ap_on_re_eu/romania_iran_shooting_1
Few details at this time.
tommy1 on August 22, 2006 at 5:14 AM
It really doesn’t matter if a particular religious or ethnic group has the market cornered on crime/terrorism in this situation. What matters is the likelihood that these two guys in particular were terrorists. Only a very tiny percentage of muslim males have boarded planes intent on committing terrorist acts, perhaps a few dozen out of hundreds of millions of muslim males living worldwide.
It is one thing to employ racial profiling as the part of security measures, it is another thing for the passengers to mutiny because they dont like the look of a couple muslim guys on board.
kaltes on August 22, 2006 at 5:31 AM
1. George Soros is no moderate. He’s a Bush-hating convicted felon who funds all sorts of programs to promote the far left. He is the money-machine behind Moveon.org.
2. CNN reports that Iran is going to give their formal response to the UN at 1630 THEIR time, or 0730 Central Daylight Savings time. We’ll know what it is at that time.
3. CNN reports that Iran has fired on, and captured an Romanian Oil rig.
Perhaps this is their “considered” response to the UN Security Council’s resolution.
Just a thought
georgej on August 22, 2006 at 6:59 AM
Allah,
If the “boy scout” Muslims had been as vocal against terrorism since 9/11 as the Hezbos are against Israel, do you suppose there might have been less “irrational” fear of Muslims by “the passengers”?
It seems to me that all too many of these “boy scout” Muslims are all to happy to keep their mouths shut and simply claim victimhood as in the case in Canada. In which case, are they really such Boy Scouts? Opportunists seems to me to be the better choice of words.
.
GT on August 22, 2006 at 8:49 AM
I think the story is that the guys on the planes were wearing leather jackets and sweaters in Spain in the Summer which in itself is suspicious. They were checking their watches repeatedly and speaking in Arabic. None of these is a crime but put together with the past history of Arab-looking men hijacking and blowing up planes, I think it is reasonable.
The account I read in the UK papers was that no one made a big deal but simply people got up individually and departed the plane.
At that point they were the ones refusing to fly not refusing the Arab-looking guys the flight. The decision was made by the flight crew including the Captain of the plane to rescreen them.
I think this is more about two guys behaving very suspiciously and people reacting rather than refusing to fly with ANY Arab-looking man. And considering what had occurred a few days earlier and that the investigation is ongoing, I think their response to “suspicious behaviour” is correct.
labwrs on August 22, 2006 at 9:09 AM
Does it seem to anyone else we may not be getting the whole story here? The plane waited three hours because some people refused to board? I have never tried it, but I always got the impression if I didn’t board the plane in time it would just leave without me.
B Moe on August 22, 2006 at 9:39 AM
It’s not supposed to leave with your luggage but without your person.
Pablo on August 22, 2006 at 10:26 AM
Amen!
AllahPundit is missing the point with his assertion that what the passengers did was “shameful.” In the West, we profile Scandinavian grandmothers, Korean children, etc. at airports to not hurt anybody’s feeling.
No wonder people are now feeling that they can’t trust sensitive liberals and “moderates” and the societies they have created for keeping us safe on airplanes. Natural result: We don’t trust the screeners to keep us safe. They might be too sensitive.
Therefore, if I see two Arabs on board with beards praying the Koran with layers of clothes on, I’m going to fear for my safety as well.
Jim Treacher asks a great question, AllahPundit: What are the root causes of this fear? How is this fear “shameful”?
januarius on August 22, 2006 at 10:27 AM
It’s shameful because they’d already been screened. And they weren’t praying; they were merely speaking Arabic. You know how groups like CAIR are always whining about the crime of “flying while Arab”? Well, this lends credence to that argument.
All they were doing was talking. They weren’t making suspicious trips to the bathroom, they weren’t playing with their shoes, they weren’t pouring beakers of things into other beakers in their seats. Just talking.
Like one of the commenters above said: if it bugs you that much, then you should get off the plane. Not them.
Allahpundit on August 22, 2006 at 10:33 AM
And we just know the screeners must have done a good job with all the aggressive screening policies they have in place and their willingness to prioritize security over sensitivity, don’t we?
I’ll give you that one. By don’t blame someone for not wanting to fly in such circumstances.
kaltes:
No, actually it does matter, since people that fit the terrorist profile are more likely to commit terrorist acts. Simple, really. If we had some magical system to immediately determine whether a particular person was going to commit a certain act, there would be no need to profile in the first place. But we don’t, so instead people have to play the odds.
thirteen28 on August 22, 2006 at 11:01 AM
From the Independent article:
What made a trained captain so suspicious? Muslim terrorists planned on blowing up ten passenger jets, and the media is whining how insensitive passengers are when they eject two passengers with layers of clothes on, and one of the female passengers asserts that they said something alarming in Arabic.
The media, as far as I know, have not interviewed this woman, stated whether she knew Arabic, or presented her side of the story. Neither has it stated the captain’s perspective. We have heard CAIR’s perspective loud and clear, though.
The passengers are not acting irrationally; they are acting rationally. Were screeners just a couple of weeks ago checking for liquids in carry-ons? Were there any Scandinavian grandmothers implicated in the plot?
When passengers see two Arabs speaking Arabic in oversized clothing and acting suspiciously, they have a rational reason for being scared.
I agree in principle. But the captain and the female passenger in this particular case felt the safety of the entire plane was in jeopardy. We haven’t heard their sides of the story, and we can be sure the MSM won’t present it.
januarius on August 22, 2006 at 11:14 AM
Racial profiling as a security measure is not being done, because it is discriminatory.
Racial or any other profiling done by passengers is their right. Passengers have no control over who boards a plane. They do have right to think for themselves, and refuse to board.
This isn’t refusing to sit next to a ‘colored person’ on a bus in 1950 Alabama. This is making a snap decision on the odds of their getting murdered on the next leg of their vacations.
There is a world wide declaration of intent to murder. Past murders have been cheered more than jeered across the islamic world.
I have discussed this with friends. We would be happy to pay extra to fly on a higher security airplane. Body searches, strip searches, no belts or neckties, prison issue uniforms – whatever. It could not possibly be 100 percent safe, but it would be as safe as we can make it. And we want pilots armed.
Norm Mineta can fly those other planes. If it isn’t good enough for the President, why is it good enough for me? No way would the President be put on a plane next to two unknowns who meet the profile.
entagor on August 22, 2006 at 11:51 AM
Hey, they aren’t in the Navy
entagor on August 22, 2006 at 11:54 AM
Allah, you have a lot more faith in the “screening” process at the world’s airports than I do…
Until DFW airport treats suspicious looking persons as El Al would, I can’t rest easily when I see servous middle-eastern men…in coats…in summer…
BirdEye on August 22, 2006 at 1:02 PM
Iran has launched it’s major Aug 22nd operation: They raided a Romanian oil rig! Wow, mohahmad must be so proud! The news media is all over it … no wait, that’s the guy who says he killed Jonbenet.
Tony737 on August 22, 2006 at 1:08 PM
One of my favorite commentators at The American Thinker, Vasko Kohlmayer applauds the mutiny.
I am getting outvoted on the case for mutiny. I guess the assumption that it is unthinkable to not go along with the program makes this a mutiny. I prefer ‘rebellion’.
entagor on August 22, 2006 at 1:23 PM
Allah, If a young Arab male attempts to get on a plane wearing a ‘All Infidels must die’ T-shirt (which was under his jacket through security), carrying a heavy bag in one hand and reading from the Koran with the other, would you get on the plane? Of course not.
What we are talking about are the degrees to which people’s nervousness supercedes their desire to go about their normal business. We all know that ‘dry runs’ are planned and made on a regular basis by the nutcases out there. A few people pointing out their suspicions not only might abort some of these, but might help peg some terrorists before the act.
Yes, it’s unfair to young Arab males; but, as I told my son any number of times, who ever told you that this was a fair world? And a lot of the profiling would stop if young Arab males would rat out their bomb-making brethern in the mosques rather than just shrug it off.
If the global war does explode with the muslim world vs. all infidels, then who do you think will end up being massacred wholesale? Innocent muslims wouldn’t stand a chance, so they need to be the front line troops against these thugs in their mist, not just in Iraq, but all over the world. for their own protection.
Mike O on August 22, 2006 at 1:35 PM
Mike O:
Good points. I completely agree. It IS unfair to young Arab males…so their community should do something about it and STOP PREACHING THE DOWNFALL OF THE WEST, LOPPING OFF HEADS, AND COMITTING MASS MURDER.
BirdEye on August 22, 2006 at 2:16 PM
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