Video: Melanie Phillips on “Londonistan”

posted at 1:46 pm on August 20, 2006 by Allahpundit

I’m giving you the whole clip, only because she doesn’t get many invites to do American TV. For reasons that will soon become apparent. Kudos to Paul Gigot and the Journal Editorial Report for having her on.

She goes further than I’m willing to go in her proposed solutions to the problem, but perhaps that’s because she appreciates its magnitude more acutely than I do. Ten airplanes blowing up over the Atlantic would have turned a lot of people to her position. How many liberties did Britain’s security services save by foiling the plot?

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Thank you for giving us access to this clip. Finally a voice of reason about the war on terror. Melanie Phillips understands who the enemy is and what is needed to win.

mkstach on August 20, 2006 at 2:51 PM

Allahpundit, if you’re at all like most people, including me, one of the restrictions on your freedom to think is the anxiety that arises in various cases from imaging harm resulting from people finding out what you think. In a way, “what should not be said cannot be said,” so if we demand of ourselves that we always say what we think, we restrict ourselves to thinking only what we can bring ourselves to say. For those of us who feel any inner restrictions of these sorts, I think it’s best to dispense entirely with any felt obligation to say what one thinks and any felt obligation to say it in any very direct way.

Kralizec on August 20, 2006 at 3:35 PM

A sane voice of reason in a country lethally infected with political correctness. Unless voices like hers are heeded there and here, we will die and disappear as a country and society.

We shouldn’t even be giving a second thought to jailing or deporting those who preach and act upon islamic hate. Yet we “worry”, or are “concerned” with their rights. What a joke. Wake up.

darwin on August 20, 2006 at 3:40 PM

“hung up on this Freedom of Speech issue”....*sigh* it has come to this. She “gets it” where so many dont. “Turning a blind eye ” indeed.
Islamic Jihad as a “souped up IRA problem”…scarey view.

labwrs on August 20, 2006 at 4:00 PM

Kudos for having her on, but what do you make of Paul’s sendoff: “Thank you for that very provocative warning”?

I don’t know exactly what adjective have should have used, but “provocative” wasn’t it. This wasn’t Howard Stern rendering his impersonation of Richard Nixon…

RD on August 20, 2006 at 4:06 PM

To quote John Wayne from a movie line, “We cannot afford to give the enemy a break. Give them hell!”

DannoJyd on August 20, 2006 at 4:11 PM

Melanie Phillips is right when she characterizes British opinion these days. It’s not the same Britain it was 10 years ago. One fourth of British Muslims in the UK sympathize with suicide bombers. It’s a terrible statistic that shows that the UK is in big trouble. Can you imagine that in the USA?

Even sadder is the way most British people see the USA these days. Frankly they think that the majority of Americans are stupid. They blame the changes in their country on the USA and on George Bush. They get all pumped up on anti-Americanism by watching the BBC’s biased reporting and documentary work and then need someone to take out their angst on.

I always thought of the UK as that country that would always be there. A country with similar views and hopes and dreams as Americans, but the longer I live here I can see that it’s probably not going to last. Thanks to the BBC and the Guardian, British people think that the US is full of Christian religious fundamentalists who are ‘just as bad as the Muslim fundamentalists.’ While their own citizens continue to plot against them, they continue to point the finger at the USA, saying that its our policy that’s causing the problems, and that it’s Geroge Bush’s Christianity that is driving us toward the brink. You can hardly find any British people in church or synagogue anymore. They’re all secularist agnostics nowadays. If it weren’t for the influx of Eastern European immigrants here, the churches would be completely empty. They are a society that has pretty much adopted heavy drinking and football as the new spirituality, and in my opinion, are too lazy to let Islamofascism spoil their gardening and home remodeling.

Have a look at what passes for regular television in the UK. It’s stuff that would immediately be classified as pornography in the USA. The British media actually think that Blair is too Chistian! Tony Blair!?! I’m telling you, the UK that most Americans think actually exists is gonna be long, long, gone. It has been on the fast track to ruin due to its decadence for the past couple years. You can’t go out in any major city here without seeing half of its young people vomiting all over the sidewalk after trying to drink as much lager as one person can possibly handle.

It’s not looking good for them because in my opinion, it looks like they’re losing their fight. Britishness has become undefinable these days, having no unifying ideas left anymore. Children in school are taught to be ashamed of British history, and hardly anyone sees the Union Jack as a symbol that identifies them. You almost never see it being flown, except for on tourist trinkets and in front of government buildings. Others simply think that America isnt going to win this one, and that they are afraid of going down with a sinking ship. Nice huh!?

Even though British troops are giving their lives for this struggle, you’d be hard pressed to meet anyone on the street who openly supports them in a sense other than pulling them out. Tony Blair keeps getting re-elected, even though a solid majority solidly opposes the war. Probably because choices of candidate have been awful bleak. Michael Howard wasn’t authentic, and the Liberal Democrats were too busy getting caught up in alcohol and pay-for-sex rent-boy scandals. Maybe it will be Gordon Brown who succumbs to feelgood anti-Americanism when Blair leaves.

Go have a look some time at the reader’s comments on The Guardian Newspaper’s Comment is Free section. You’ll be appalled at what they think America is all about. Commentors openly wanting America and Israel to be destroyed, etc. They think America is a fascist country, while their own British Muslim leaders call for Sharia law as a way to appease angry young Musims men there. This definately isn’t the Britain I grew up hearing about.

Darrin on August 20, 2006 at 4:12 PM

Is it lack of lanuage or just country bumpkin to compare the Irish IRA to Global Jihad? which pumpkin (reporter) just rolled off the tractor (network)…media has got to get caught up Americans are no longer watching their news!!

mimi on August 20, 2006 at 4:58 PM

This is something that just occured to me, but has been sort of percolating arround in my head.

Ordinarily, I am a huge first amendment fan. But it seems to me that allowing people to call for our destruction via their using the first amendment, is, as Melanie Phillips put it, “madness.” I think that needs to be restricted. But how?

Maybe a lawyer can help here. But from what I know, libel and slander are against the law, even with the first amendment. Why? I’m honestly not sure, but I think it has to do with damage done to the victim along with untrue/lying speech. But a key element is the damage, I think. I believe (although I am not entirely sure) that I could say all sorts of slanderous and libelous speech against Michelle Malkin or Allahpundit, or anyone, but if no damage was done to them, I think they have no standing to sue. Basically, if I slander/libel them, and everbody just laughs at me cuz I’m an idiot, and continues to support MM and AP, I don’t think they can sue.

Anyway, perhaps we need to look at the concept of damages as a way of restricting speech which is suicidal for us to allow. Perhaps the idea that allowing people to preach for our destruction causes damages to society that make it subject to suppression. I know there are all sorts of “slippery slope” arguements that could be raised her, and lots of legal elements I’m not too clear on, but that’s for other, more educated people to address.

By way of example, during WWII, if someone opened a recruiting stand for the German and Japanese armies in the U.S., I am sure they would have been shut down. Why? Because they were supporting the enemy. Yeah, they were just using “speech” to encourage people to join the German or Japanese army, but still, “aiding and abeiting (sic?) the enemy in time of war isn’t allowed. Why? Because of the damage it does to society.

So what is different now? Yeah, yeah, now we arn’t confronting a “state”. It is all trans-national entities. But I think enough similarities are there that we may want to think along these lines.

EFG on August 20, 2006 at 5:17 PM

I have been reading Melanie Phillips’ blog for some time now. Her book is right on point. It is the first time that I have seen her on American television. She states the case as precisely as anyone I’ve read or heard. I am worried about her safety. Her positions are so opposed to many in her country and for that matter the US as well. I just hope she is taking every precaution. She is a very courageous person.

d1carter on August 20, 2006 at 5:23 PM

Melanie Phillips has it right when so many others have it completely wrong.

She was a guest on Bill Bennett’s radio program a while back and she forwarned us of the “funk” the leftists and the mediot’s have for this war on militant Islamofascism.

Pick up her book, “Londonistan”. It will “get your back up”.

doingwhatican on August 20, 2006 at 6:52 PM

Darrin, what a great first hand account. Thank you.

We could substitute Britain with any Western European country and receive a very similar report. Only the Eastern European bloc countries are continuing to carry the torch of freedom, for the time being, because they know what it means not to have been free.

Melanie Phillips should immediately be appointed to Secretary of Communications in the Bush Admin. The President himself could learn a thing or two from special tutoring sessions.

What intelligence! Forget that – what brilliance!
What clarity!
What eloquence!
What courage!

And what a clear warning! Europe and America, wake up!

Entelechy on August 20, 2006 at 7:18 PM

Darrin, can you tell us how long you have been in the U.K. and what part you are living in?

Thanks.

EFG on August 20, 2006 at 7:44 PM

Darrin. You are dead right, Britain as an idea has gone. The ideals of the Magna Carta discarded in service of their insane PC subservience to multiculti in general and Islam in particular.

Go read the BBC website, you can find articles where Mohammed is mentioned, and the BBC puts (pbuh) after each mention, as though the BBC is somehow an Islamic organization.

It’s a shame, because Britain will probably take a massive Jihadi hit before they wake up and smell the Semtex.

Martin on August 20, 2006 at 7:55 PM

Darrin, thanks for your personal incite.

Your dismal description of the decline and fall of what was once a great country, a world leader and a steadfast partner long admired by most Americans is quite disheartening.

Most of what you described is also taking place here in America; the decay of morality, deceit by the press, fewer believers and more anti-Christian hatred, a generation of self-absorbed, uninformed adolescents raised on MTV and given new moral standards by a lying, adulterous president – twisted values that are supported and applauded by the liberal left, be they politicians, academia or the MSM. The (radical) Muslim population here has not reached the dangerous proportions you find yourself with in the UK, but given the direction our country is taking, with politicians already pandering to this religious sect for the sake of getting re-elected, we are well on our way to finding ourselves snookered too.

The world had better wise up, and soon.

fogw on August 20, 2006 at 8:06 PM

What the hell is it going to take for GWB to grow a set of cajones and do what has to be done?!?! Melanie Phillips just articulated exactly what I have been thinking and fearing for some time now, and I’m sure it’s the same for many others here in LGF world. THANK GOD for our 2nd Amendment – what a prescient stroke for a population whose dovernment has been rendered unwilling or unable to defend us from the traitorous enemies within and the murderous masses at our gates. Too bad for the Brits who were disarmed long ago, how will they defend themselves? *With Spitballs?* From this point, let NO public demonstration by our enemies go unchallenged, unphotographed, or unconfronted by massive crowds of loud, flag-waving intolerant Americans who are sick of their muslim shit and have the courage to stand up to these animals and start taking names. Time for the enemy and our emasculated politians to fear the wrath of “the American street” for a change.

/pissed off. I need a beer.

Benthoven on August 21, 2006 at 12:35 AM

I live outside of Manchester. Been here about 2 years.

I like George Bush. He’s just not doing enough, in my opinion. Bloggers are representing our side of this battle of ideas better than he is. Then again, Tony Blair is an amazing speaker, but it’s not doing a bit of good over here in the UK.

I think we need some new blood in the Republican party. Someone more outspoken and visibly fighting tooth and nail for these ideas in the age of this new media. There’s no doubt that George Bush sticks to his guns, but we need stronger, more consistent argumentation. There’s not going to be any wrath of the street as long as Bush is in office, because he’s not convincing enough people that we’re at war. He’s not saying enough about the ideological battle going on in the US. He’s not doing anything about the universities that are basically camps for anti-US and Israeli sentiment. There’s no sense that the idea of treason even exists in America anymore. The radical left openly wants to see America and it’s ‘murderous empire’ dismantled.

Darrin on August 21, 2006 at 5:31 AM

Darrin the problem here is that our chattering classes (the big newspapers, the mainstream television news, the universities) are solidly in step with “progressive” ideals.
They hate Bush, they hate Christianity, they hate Israel, they hate believing Jews. Yet they can’t, or won’t see that if Americastan comes to pass (God forbid!) they will be first to be stoned, hanged or beheaded. The mullahs will not stand for women’s freedom, legal abortion, freedom of speech or all the other things the progressive bunch are so fond of. Poor progressives – no more naked bike rides in Berkley.

Ellen on August 21, 2006 at 7:50 AM

What is devastating – and, maybe, deadly – is how we have allowed the utter corruption of the US Constitution, as a whole, and Article I, in particular. In my mind, the word “peaceably” is key.

Another aspect to consider: Why is it PC doesn’t apply to adherents if Islam? Of course, we know it doesn’t because of leftist hypocrisy. Nevertheless, thinking people should loudly and publicly turn that table.

Aunt B on August 21, 2006 at 9:16 AM

Darrin,

Great post.

Unfortunately, as a lifelong Anglophile, I do agree with you 100%.

My spouse was brought up in England and my mother in law still lives there. I have been over there several times, and Darrin is right. It’s not the same country it was 10 years ago. My husband is almost in tears when he talks about it. Several people have commented the same thing, “It’s not our country anymore…”

My last visit was a few months ago, and it will be my last. (My husband is trying to get his mother over here in the States.) I definitely noted a chillier reaction from people, as if we are the enemy, and not the ChiComs or Islamofascists! The taxi cab driver chatted with my husband (who still has his accent) and said he didn’t like Americans and then went on to brag about how China will surpass us as a world power. I spoke up, and of course the buffoon changed his tune, went on to praise Destin, Florida…yadayada. Too bad. The damage was already done…

Makes me so sad to see a friend turn against you like that, never mind the sacrifices we have made for each other over the years. This generation has forgotten all about that.

It’s like watching a tragedy. We are overrun with PCism too, but there is no way we would tolerate any groups openly calling for the overthrow of our government, and our leaders only talking of appeasing them. Have you heard that the Muslims over there now say that they want Sharia law and bank holidays on Muslim holy days to bridge some kind of peace over there? Sheesh.

I could go on and on…btw, this lady is being interviewed on Laura Ingraham today. Have a listen.

Lady Heather on August 21, 2006 at 9:38 AM

It’s hard to believe that these are the same people who defeated Rommel in the deserts of N. Africa, withstood the Blitz and won the Battle of Britian.

I was stationed in England during the Gulf War. I went there thinkin’ these people were our friends.

Godspeed old chap, it was nice knowin’ ya.

Tony737 on August 21, 2006 at 10:53 AM

If it weren’t for the influx of Eastern European immigrants here, the churches would be completely empty

The European nations capitulating to Islam have adopted public agnosticism, but a private certainty that it is irrational to believe in God. Without the anchor of belief, the void is rationalized into moral relativism.

These same nations are addicted to Marx. Marx considered the Church of the West the great enemy. He declared the church must first be removed to create his utopia.

The moral relativist sees the God of Abraham as the enemy of social justice. He also believes, like the muslim, that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

The entire culture of Western civilization is rooted in Judeao-Christian ideals.

So the filthy mess, religion and culture, must be purged. All enemies invited to participate, survival be damned.

I was surprised to watch some episodes of a British soap opera I had followed years ago. A religious character was brought in as a terrifying nutcase. A church was rented for a wedding for its historic beauty only. The minister mentioned the church was rarely used and made no attempt to suggest a religious ceremony (in a Church!). Christmas was a congeniality day with no carols, or religious symbols. The entire concept of ‘Church’ had been isolated as an unclean relic.

Moral relativism is suicide.

Free Speech. How free are we to say the ‘N’ word?

entagor on August 21, 2006 at 11:02 AM

No Language? New Phenomenon?

Phillips ends the interview with:

We cannot possibly adapt or adopt the same techniques of the past to discrete, particular terrorist programs. What we are facing with the Global Islamic Jihad is something we have never faced before. It’s not War as we understand it between (Nation-) States. It’s certainly not Terrorism as as we understand it.

We haven’t got the Language to describe this.

We are facing a new phenomenon

I do not agree with her last two assertions. We do have the language to describe Global Islamic Fascism. But do we have honesty to believe what the Jihadists actually say (that is they want to conquer the infidels and create a Pan-Islamic State governed by Sharia) and do we have the collective will to stand up to them?

And wrt her last statement, I believe that Baron Bodissey and Dymphna @ the Gates of Vienna Blog (http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/) have it right when they say that “We are in a new phase of a very old war.”

Great Post Allah!

zb42 on August 21, 2006 at 11:11 AM

Ellen, that was a great comment. Kind advice – you started out right with “progressive” in quotes. There is nothing progressive about the Left. We should call them fauxgressive or always put “progressive” in quotes, when referring to them. Otherwise we falsely legitimize their claim on such a positive word. You wisely listed great reasons why they are nothing close to it.

Lady Heather, last night I saw David Cameron being asked about granting Sharia holidays in Britain and he dismissed it elegantly, saying that the country has one set of laws, and should work on continued unity.

I was in Europe in Aug. 2004 and was encouraged to vote for Edwards because he’s better looking than Mr. Bush. By then he wasn’t even on the front of the ticket. Not only are they clueless but also shallow.

Entelechy on August 21, 2006 at 11:19 AM

This makes one think of many things, idiosyncrasies. It made me think of some oddities in our way of ‘laws’, what you can and can not do in America. I cant drive without a seatbelt on or I’m breaking the law. ‘Weekend warrior’ drug users can not use one time without threat of imprisonment, harming no one but themselves. You can not end your life prematurely, its illegal.
BUT, a religion/cult, muslims, islamafascists, whatever you choose to call them, a group that has one goal, and that goal is to make all of us believe only as they do or kill us all…..they have total freedom, and can and will talk openly in their mosques and on the streets about killing millions of infidels around the world. What is wrong with this picture?
I do not condone drug use at all. But I dont want to have to wear my seat belt either. How can our government be so restrictive in some cases but let an ABSOLUTE CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER exist and thrive among us?
How many have to die before we all stand up and say “Wow, they really meant it when they said they would kill us!”
Will we then make new laws? Alter existing laws?
Mass murderers should never receive freedoms by calling it religion.
WHEN?

shooter on August 21, 2006 at 11:40 AM

Also, she said they’re aware of “dozens and dozens” of plots by the terrorists. By my count, both plural dozens’s’, that’s at least 48, probably more likely 50 to 70 plots right now. In Great Britain.
How ’bout here? Oh yeah, we cant really ‘listen in’ to find out, huh.

shooter on August 21, 2006 at 11:50 AM

Melanie Phillips is breath of fresh air! Clear thinking on important issues that is well communicated. More Please!

Melanie Phillips has clearly identified the problem, not afraid to run counter the left’s Political Correctness, and clearly communicates her ideas. Too bad she cannot be elected in the US!

More of Melanie Phillips please!

omegaram on August 21, 2006 at 11:56 AM

Melanie Phillips is a hero and the ONLY sensible voice on BBC radio at the moment.

RobCon on August 21, 2006 at 2:12 PM

Shooter, that’s right. Freedom of religion cannot apply to a religion that requires extermination of all other religions! Freedom of speech cannot apply for the same reason.

Thank God for Melanie Phillips and may God protect her from the many that probably want her dead for her willingness to speak the truth.

NTWR on August 21, 2006 at 2:33 PM

SHE get’s it. Whats up with the rest of Great Britain??

gary on August 21, 2006 at 6:40 PM

They are too busy making England ‘islamo-friendly’ to notice that cages are being built for them.

entagor on August 21, 2006 at 8:21 PM

She was better on One Day at a Time.

mikeyboss on August 21, 2006 at 10:01 PM

Very good explanation by Ms. Phillips.
What she didn’t say and should’ve said was: FORGET ABOUT TOLERANCE, DIVERSITY, PC. ROUND UP ALL MUSLIMS, TOSS THEM BACK TO THEIR RESPECTIVE COUNTRIES. JUST DO IT NOW.
According to Dhimmitude, so called moderate Muslims are are falsely living in Western societies and patiently waiting for their numbers to increase, to takeover in the name of Islam. 

byteshredder on August 23, 2006 at 12:03 AM