Flower power never won a war
posted at 10:04 am on August 18, 2006 by Bryan
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WW2 in Color
The Battle of Iwo Jima
Iwo Jima: Volcano
Coming this fall: Flags of Our Fathers
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I’ll be looking carefully at Jeff Goldstein’s Vent next week to see if Deb Frisch is stalking him in the bushes nearby.
pjcomix on August 18, 2006 at 10:11 AM
The Two dirty words, and a summation of this Vent: “Measured response.”
Measured responses will guarantee a strategic loss every time.
-Bryan @ Sanctuary
Prophet on August 18, 2006 at 10:17 AM
Really intrested to hear what jeff will have to say next week.
umbergbr on August 18, 2006 at 10:24 AM
Nice job subbing for Michelle, Bryan! And we WERE NOT stuck with you.
Also, the advantage that the Marines/Navy had back then is:
a) NO PC.
b) NO VICTORY THROUGH DEFEAT PHILOSOPHY.
c) NO HATRED FOR THE PRESIDENT.
d) NO HATRED FOR THE MILITARY.
e) NO APPEASING “LETS MAKE NICE TO THE TERRORISTS BECAUSE WE HATE BUSH MORE THAN THE TERRORISTS” SENATORS AND MEDIA.
f) NO BACK STABBERS IN THE STATE DEPT OR THE OSS.
Bryan, the decision whether to win or not to win has been decided, it seems. The recent ruling from a federal judge (APPOINTED BY JIMMY CARTER) that the intercepting (NOT WIRETAPPINGS)of transmissions to and from overseas terrorist areas to our country is against the Constitution is another example that we are not to win this war.
The False Dervish on August 18, 2006 at 10:32 AM
Great job Bryan, you filled Michelle’s shoes admirably.
Not to discount the heroic effort done by our WWII vets, but I think today’s soldier does an even better job at defending our freedom due to all the restrictions (those listed by Bryan and False Dervish plus many others) that are placed on them.
dalewalt on August 18, 2006 at 10:43 AM
The other difference between WWII’s press and today’s?
In WWII, the press know which side they were on.
Today, the NY Times is still trying to decide which side they are on.
Wander on August 18, 2006 at 10:44 AM
Also, to add to your list:
g) No ‘Homeland [in]security’ office giving
CAIRJapan guided tours ofairport securityPearl Harbor on 11/1941 and detailedinfo on what they are looking formaps of the radar coverage.Oh and good vent Bryan.
CrazyFool on August 18, 2006 at 10:47 AM
Good Job Bryan! Like the shades, kinda reminds me of Neo from The Matrix.
realVerse on August 18, 2006 at 10:49 AM
If the battle of Iwo Jima were fought in 2006, the ACLU would sue, saying the use of flamethrowers constitutes ‘torture’, and the libs would be wringing their hands over our use of ‘racial profiling’ by targeting the Japanese.
speed647 on August 18, 2006 at 10:52 AM
Sobering truth only works on folks with half a brain.
Liberal progressive Democrats would ignore that too, claiming that if we had just spent more time talking with Japan and finding out exactly why they hated us and what we could do to make them like us, or better yet, just brought all our troops home and stopped bothering them, that war would have been “unnecessary”.
Again, God help us.
NRA4Freedom on August 18, 2006 at 11:02 AM
Excellent job, and keep pointing out that we cannot win a war where our side is severely restricted in our responses while our enemies have no restrictions at all.
“A battle that you win cancels any other bad action of yours. In the same way, by losing one, all the good things worked by you before become vain.” - Machiavelli
thirteen28 on August 18, 2006 at 11:11 AM
Great Vent, Bryan. You did an EXCELLENT job! I’m sure Michelle will have no problems letting you fill in any time she needs time off. I’m glad to see your information about Iwo Jima. We lost 2 1/2 times as many men to take that island, than we’ve lost in both of the Iraq/Afgahnistan fronts. People still think it’s far too costly, but we haven’t seen loss on the scale of WW2 since. Perspective is somethimg too many on the Left (and some on the Right) are missing. I’m only 33 years old, but I dedicated a lot of my free time as a kid to studying WW2 and Air Power thanks to my Dad.
I’m defnintely looking forward to seeing the guest hosts next week. I wonder if Jeff is as articulate and funny in spoken word, as much as he is in written word. And after seeing Mary in the DayByDay cartoon, I wonder how accurate they got her. ;-)
DakRoland on August 18, 2006 at 11:29 AM
Bryan - Wonderful job. I’m convinced that half of the disapproval of the President’s conduct of the war in Iraq comes from those of us who disagree with the ROE. Either fight it to win or get the hell out.
I look forward to next week and any future Vents you may host.
MCPO Airdale on August 18, 2006 at 11:30 AM
Ditto what MCPO Airdale said. :-)
bamapachyderm on August 18, 2006 at 11:39 AM
Indeed.
And “Appeasement” never won a war either.
Lawrence on August 18, 2006 at 11:50 AM
Bryan,
So what your saying is “lets get it on!”?
PS. Bryan ,when we gonna see you dance ?
Drtuddle on August 18, 2006 at 11:59 AM
Um, how about never?
Bryan on August 18, 2006 at 12:01 PM
BRYAN LOOKS LIKE CYCLOPS FROM THE X-MEN!
venmax on August 18, 2006 at 12:10 PM
Good point, Dalewalt.
I fear that there will be MORE restrictions placed on those troops as election time draws near, and their job will be more difficult.
Until the perception that this is BUSH’S WAR against terrorism is replaced by AMERICA’S WAR against terrorism, every victory will be looked upon by the-forces-that-hope-to-be as a victory ONLY for Pres Bush.
The False Dervish on August 18, 2006 at 12:25 PM
Great job Bryan!
Sent the permalink to all my friends and family.
Can’t wait ’til next week!
Catnip on August 18, 2006 at 1:04 PM
GREAT VENT BRYAN–It’s good to know that Michelle is taking a much deserved vacation and that HOT AIR is in capable hands until her return . I like the concept of guest hosts occasionally, but prefer to see Michelle or you most of the time. KEEP UP THE FIGHT FOR FREEDOM !!!——PS- very informative history lesson .—THANKS
PAPA BEAR on August 18, 2006 at 1:11 PM
Like WW2 color photos? Don’t miss the WWI color photos.
ScottG on August 18, 2006 at 1:29 PM
Your VENT proves that at one time, we knew how to fight and win a war. Patton’s “no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country” speech resonates here.
I fear those halcyon days have forever passed.
pubscout on August 18, 2006 at 1:32 PM
Great vent, Bryan. One correction though - there were civilians on some of those Pacific islands even in the caves but we did what we had to do anyway to win even if it involved killing them. In WWII, millions of so-called civilians were killed.
In any war, there can be no distinction between peoples if you want to win it. There is only us and the enemy so if this war is really between Islam and everybody else as I believe it is and as it has been throughout history, than everyone on the other side has to be fair game. If that statement bothers you, remember that is how the enemy, Islam, views us, every infidel and jew is fair game.
docdave on August 18, 2006 at 1:39 PM
Excellent vent!!
Victory nor liberty is free.
MarkB on August 18, 2006 at 1:46 PM
There weren’t any civilians on Iwo. The Japanese had moved them to other islands quite a while before the battle. And there hadn’t been that many civilians to begin with, just a few who tried to run sugar farms and sulphur mines iirc. Iwo Jima is a pretty useless island. It erupts frequently, it stinks, there’s no natural harbor and the waters surrounding it are infested with sharks. Not exactly a Pacific paradise.
Its best use is as an air base. That’s what the Japanese used it for, and once we took it that’s what we used it for. It eventually became a Coast Guard LORAN station, but that went away with the advent of GPS. Now it’s a Japanese air base that hosts the US air wing attached to the aircraft carrier battle group stationed at Yokosuka. When I went to Iwo, it was to watch and report on the CAG’s night flight training prior to deployments.
Bryan on August 18, 2006 at 1:48 PM
Flower Power, indeed. I spit!
Britain’s Lord of the Admiralty Jackie Fisher said it best in WWI:
“The essence of war is violence. Moderation in war is imbecility. Hit first! Hit hard! Hit anywhere!”
It’s a military axiom that to win a war, you must attack. Contrary to those who want to wage this conflict as a “law enforcement” matter, the best outcome you can hope for by staying home and adopting a bunker mentality is simply not to be defeated. Winning with such a mindset is out of the question.
The true American way of war has always held in contempt the ideas of “soft power,” “gradualism” or “proportionality.” Our forebears understood that the way to win - and to bring the boys home as soon as possible - was to bring full power to bear upon the enemy and crush them.
You can be magnanimous after you’ve won.
“Gradualism and proportionatity” weren’t what Sherman had in mind in 1864 when he burnt a swath across Georgia and the Carolinas; nor what Grant was thinking when he ground Lee’s army to powder in 1865.
Those foolish words weren’t what motivated Curtis LeMay when he outfitted the B-29s with napalm and magnesium bombs and sent them in swarms, at night and at low altitude, over Tokyo, Nagoya and Osaka. And they sure as hell weren’t on the Marines’ lips when they were blasting and incinerating Imperial Japanese Army dead-enders on Iwo, Peleliu or Okinawa.
On the other hand, those terms were plain to see in our conduct in Korea and Vietnam.
Anybody detect a couple of patterns there?
“Never give counsel to your fears. The enemy is more afraid than you are. Don’t worry about what he’s going to do to you; think about what you’re going to do to him!”
- Gen. George S. Patton
Spurius Ligustinus on August 18, 2006 at 2:12 PM
The difference between the 1940s and now is National Focus. We knew who our enemy was and did everything it took to defeat him.
Today we have only ourselves to blame for this malaise we find ourselves in. Too much good living and apathy has made American soft, weak and unfocused. We allow sub-governments like the ACLU to literally undermine our very foundation. (This organizaton is a cancer folks!) We allow political correctness to blind us into self-deception. America was soft in the 1930s and it took a sneak attack on Pearl Harbor to wake us up. We had the same thing happen to us on 9/11/01 but this time we did not wake up. We have let the wolf in our midst folks. Unless Middle America gets off its tail and starts protecting this country with whatever it takes, we are done for.
JonR on August 18, 2006 at 2:15 PM
Good vent Bryan!
Lots of interesting bits of an interesting story.
The world can be glad that I’m not in charge of anything. If I were in charge of the IDF I would have used the warning leaflets and the Precision Guided Munitions.
However, the leaflets would have warned that the area wasn’t going to be hit, it was going to be destroyed and the PGM’s would be used to do just that. I wonder if anyone’s ever tried loading up a B-52 and doing a ‘precision carpet bombing’ where each shell is set to land in a precise grid? If it looked like any bunkers had survived the initial pass I’d do another and mix in some fuel-air explosives to make sure I got the attention of anyone inside those bunkers.
I may not always be nice, but I try to be thorough.
KCSteve on August 18, 2006 at 2:20 PM
JonR — Too much good living and apathy has made only about 30% of American soft, weak and unfocused.
To see what the rest of us are ready to do, by all means go see Oliver Stone’s World Trade Center, it is really a story about how US Marines see duty and honor and respond.
“We have not yet begun to fight.”
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The Machine on August 18, 2006 at 2:32 PM
Machine,
I cannot tell you how much I hope you are right. However, it seems that the 30% you refer to are the majority of the politicians, the mainstream press, the ubiquitous “useful idiots” attending Hezbollah and Hamas rallies, the ACLU, CAIR, Soros and the rest of the well-funded traitors that are trying their best to destabilize this country.
My point is that the 70% of the rest of us need to make a difference now! We need to vote, we need to stand up and be counted. We need to make our national leaders account for their actions. We need to take back this country from the seditious 30% while there is still a country left.
God Bless America!
JonR on August 18, 2006 at 2:43 PM
Great, great vent, even if Michelle isn’t in it. Great points. Great footage.
Some food for thought.
Bob's Kid on August 18, 2006 at 2:44 PM
Oh, and Bryan, what brought you to Iwo? It doesn’t exactly seem like a tourist trap…?
Bob's Kid on August 18, 2006 at 2:50 PM
Great Vent Bryan!
I miss seeing Michelle but the content was excellent and that is reason the vent is so good.
I believe that the real “enemy”, the biggest problem we face in fighting our enemies, is our own left and the MSM that is part of that left ideology.
During WWII Sedition was a charge that was used to silence those who did not support the interests of the United States and those that would detract from the war effort. The same Left crowd was still alive and well, encouraged by espionage by the Soviets, but they were controlled and exposed as a subversive element.
We need to address that subversive element in our nation today to become strong again. Winning wars seems easy once sedition and treason are recognized and prosecuted.
omegaram on August 18, 2006 at 2:59 PM
First I saw the airplane (missed the tiny flowers) and got all excited because I fly myself; love to take off the best because I’m a speed-freak but landing is definitely the most engaging.
Then, uh, I saw Bryan. Oh, those glaaasses! And the way you move those lips…do you ever wear the same clothes or do you change them for every shoot, like Michelle does?
Topic? Hmmmm…there was a serious topic discussed in this post but what the heck was it? I need a cold shower…
Ah, yes, it’s very serious, indeed. We need to fight to win!
Thank you Bryan for giving us gals an opportunity to view the vents the way many guys do :)
Entelechy on August 18, 2006 at 2:59 PM
Emphatic clarification!!!
The topic of the vent was extremely serious and I agree with all of you who support fighting with the clarity and strategy to win, no matter what it takes.
Also, I detest all those who not only don’t support, but undermine, the effort.
Entelechy on August 18, 2006 at 3:11 PM
Nice Vent. My how times have changed. Since the 19th century, never have we suffered an attack by foreign insurgents on the soil of the United States such as we did on 9/11. Pearl Harbor was decimated in a sneak attack, but Hawaii wasn’t a state at that time. Plus, PH was a military target. The sneak attack on the WTC wasn’t a military target, it was a terror target aimed at decimating & terrorizing civilian lives at ground zero and everywhere. Without actions and safeguards implemented here and abroad since 9/11, one can only wonder at what carnage has been averted since 9/11. But both attacks had the same goal, they were/are stepping stones to domination and take over of the United States, and ultimately the entire world.
Foreign insurgents swayed an election in Spain with their terror, and they seek to dictate the leadership of the US in a similar manner. The tragic part is, it seems to be slowly working. We’ll never be free to live in peace until we are free from the enemys of freedom, here at home and abroad. The only way to do that, sadly, is to either acquiesce to their demands, or root them out of their “caves and tunnels”, wherever they may be. For shame that such a large number of people in seats of power and influence in the US would sooner acquiesce than decisively end the threat to the freedoms they, and all of us, enjoy.
To be honest though, I think Barbara Streisand in a buhrka would definitely be an improvement.
SilverStar830 on August 18, 2006 at 3:14 PM
Oh Entelechy, you beat me to the punch! I was just about to comment about how NICE Bryan looks too!! Michelle is cute, but she’s just not my flavor. I dig the dudes.
pullingmyhairout on August 18, 2006 at 3:56 PM
Nice one. And way to inoculate against the whining with the NOT SAYING/AM SAYING screen.
see-dubya on August 18, 2006 at 4:36 PM
Great Vent, Bryan!! You are right on when discussing our half measured fighting today. We cannot win this war by being PC. The left today argues that the War on Terror is not what WWII was because we are to blame for this war. They also claim that this war only exists because we choose to keep it going. The truth is, the left is at war with the United States of America (just as the Islamo-fascists are). If we aren’t careful, our great Country will fall prey to them. We must get out and vote to keep these kooks out of office (despite our frustration with current conservative politicians). Your vent and the pictures of WWII show me that this Country is capable of defeating any enemy we face - but we must be united in doing so. We had about 1 year of being a united country after 9/11, but the left remembered the 2000 presidential election and turned on us again. They are so focused on trying to bring the Bush administration down, that they ignore what is really going on around them. They don’t get it, and my fear is, they never will.
Rick on August 18, 2006 at 4:54 PM
Rick, you nailed it - we must make this our single-threaded priority for ‘06 and ‘08. Nothing is more important:
Entelechy on August 18, 2006 at 5:04 PM
Hate to disagree with ya Brian…
But Flower Power DID win a war….
For the North Vietnamese….
Romeo13 on August 18, 2006 at 6:43 PM
When we teach a PC form of history our high school students learn that we were the bad guys because of the evils of internment. We don’t teach who the heroes were and why we had to fight. This means that people don’t understand who the heroes are today and why we need to fight now. If I remember correctly the Japanese calculated that heavy casulties would cause the USA to give up on unconditional surrender and agree to negotiations. Their miscalculation encouraged planners to use the atomic bombs. I’m not betting that the al Queda and Hezbollah strategists are too much brighter.
mkstach on August 18, 2006 at 7:37 PM
GR8 Vent Bryan,
Have a good Vacation Michelle…
Oh Bryan You’re not bad looking actually fine.
alyce on August 18, 2006 at 8:30 PM
Good job Bryan.
If I understood your vent Bryan, we can’t win a war with one hand tied behind our backs, or being PC, or with the MSM in foxholes with cameras. I FULLY AGREE!
I say boot the MSM/press out of any military conflict, anywhere. So what if we don’t get the news for a few days, because our enemy won’t be getting the news via the New York Times either /sarcasm. Wars are never won with standoffs, or by pullouts. You either go into an armed conflict to kick ass and win as fast as possible, and sure as hell not to lose, or stop short of the mission. BTW, you use every means at your disposal.
Vietnam was not lost by our military (God Bless our Vietnam Vets), but instead, by a group of dumb democrats, and a dumber defense secretary that didn’t know the difference between a Model-A Ford, or F-4 Phantom jet, or what the goals and objectives were. Thank God our military aren’t fighting protracted conflicts like Nam anymore.
byteshredder on August 18, 2006 at 10:28 PM
First off, Bryan, ya done good.
Earlier today, Wander said:
They already have decided - they are on the enemy’s side.
Rusty Bill on August 19, 2006 at 12:33 AM
I saw a documentary on PBS several months ago, about WWII. It included a discussion about military censorship during the war. FDR understood how the media could undermine the war effort by reporting the mistakes, the pain and suffering, the casualties incured during WWII. So to prevent that from happening, the government imposed strict censorship for war coverage.
In the example that Bryan used, if the press had reported the high number of casualties in taking the island, support for the war would have evaporated overnight and there would have been demands for an immediate cease fire.
But the press was prohibited from reporting the actual numbers because of imposed military censorship, and the public’s morale was not affected.
Likewise, our defeat at the Battle of Savo Island was “classified” and remained unreported until the 1960’s. The government did so to prevent erosion of the war effort during the Battle of Guadalcanal.
This is what has been missing since Vietnam, at least: Controlling the information flow out of a war zone.
In case anybody in the media is paying attention: The First Amendment DOES NOT APPLY OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES.
The military can — and IMHO, should — require that all reports FROM A WAR ZONE be submitted for censorship, the way it was done in 1941-1945.
The media has an agenda that is not at all hidden: To undermine the Bush administration and force and end to the war in Iraq by undermining the popularity of the war through biased and incomplete reporting, and manipulation of the news presentation to reflect adversely on the administration. We are crazy to let them get away with it.
When PBS’s The News Hour shows it’s “Honor Roll” at the end of the show, it is NOT about honoring our fallen men and women. It is about PRESENTING THE MEME that Americans in Iraq are being picked off, one by one, and we’re helpless to do anything about it — with the unstated implicaton that we should quit Iraq in order to “stop the killing.”
If The News Hour really wanted to honor our dead, they would be also describing the mission they were on when they were killed, the results of that mission, and how badly the enemy was hurt.
Giving context tells the entire story, and that story is that we are winning the insurgency (truth: we are), that recovery is proceeding well (did you know that oil production now exceeds that of Saddam’s government pre-invasion?). If you do, you didn’t learn if from the leftist so-called “Mainstream Media”.
To return back to Iwo Jima for a moment, the American public was told at the time that taking Iwo Jima was IMPORTANT to the war effort, that the cost in blood was necessary to shorten the war. It was true. Taking Iwo Jima gave the United States an airfield capable of landing battle-damaged B-29’s returning from raids over Japan. Taking Iwo Jima also eliminated it as a base for Japanese fighters to attack the bombers on the way in.
Had The News Hour existed then, free of military censorship like today, they would have reported the total number of US casualties, IGNORED the Japanese losses, ignored the role that the air strip on the island played, and flashed the pictures of each KIA Marine on the screen in a littany that would have lasted months.
And before the week would be out, there would have been calls for pulling out of Iwo, for cancelling the invasion of Okinawa, for shelving PERMANENTLY, the use of the Atom Bomb on Japan, in liew of a “cease fire” with the Empire of Japan.
That’s Point one.
Point two:
Ernie Pyle, America’s best-known WWII correspondent who was killed in action once said “Every reporter is a citizen of somewhere and a believer in something.”
Before any “journalist” is allowed to embed with our troops or enter the theater, what it is that they (and their editors) believe about the war, the troops, and the national leadership should be ascertained and only those reporters NOT hostile to the mission, the troops, and the administration should be allowed to go along.
We should never knowingly allow a media Fifth Column unfettered access to the battlefield or any country we occupy.
The object of fighting a war is to WIN, as Bryan convincingly explained. Allowing the hostile, agenda-driven media to control what is said about war is to invite defeat, not at the hands of the people we are fighting, but of Fifth Column media.
Yes, I am openly advocating MILITARY CENSORSHIP during wartime, and the media howling monkeys who object can stuff it where the sun don’t shine.
George W. Bush should have repeated FDR’s fireside chat of 23 February, 1942 on March 16, 2003, and every six months thereafter.
georgej on August 19, 2006 at 8:06 AM
Outstanding job, Bryan! Excellent Vent!
techno_barbarian on August 19, 2006 at 11:29 AM
kudos Bryan.. nice job.. good radio voice too.. lol
RobertCSampson on August 19, 2006 at 2:09 PM
And a face made for radio too…
Bryan on August 19, 2006 at 2:15 PM
Not at all. You looked good, if you’re really concerned. Thanks for the great history lesson. :)
Anwyn on August 19, 2006 at 2:54 PM
THOSE WHO ARE DEVOTED TO THE PHILOSOPHY OF PC SUFFER FROM MENTAL DIAPER RASH.
WE CANNOT WIN THE WAR AGAINST THE ISLAMO-NAZIS AS LONG AS WE ENGAGE THEM WITH OUR WESTERN IDEALS.
The False Dervish on August 19, 2006 at 5:08 PM
Bryan, my parody on some of our board-boys aside, the vent was great. It was also the most interesting documentary on Iwo Jima, especially from a first account.
You are too self-conscious. There is nothing wrong with your face. Au contraire! I appreciate your serious demeanor and the earnestness with which you approach such important topics. I really value your talents on this team.
Entelechy on August 19, 2006 at 6:27 PM
I suspected as much. Bryan, you’re worse than that wretched, malingering armadillo.
EFG on August 21, 2006 at 2:52 AM
Timing: on vents, on photography, on death…
Entelechy on August 21, 2006 at 10:49 AM