JonBenet case falling apart again?
posted at 11:49 am on August 17, 2006 by Allahpundit
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His ex says he was with her, in Alabama, on the day JonBenet was murdered. His father says he’s never been to Colorado. He apparently lived near the Ramseys in Georgia, five years before the killing, but according to his brother he didn’t know them.
Yet somehow he ended up in their house in Boulder, strangling their daughter to death in 1996.
He’s also obsessed with her case (and Polly Klaas’s), having allegedly studied it well enough to have been encouraged to write a book about it — and, perhaps, fake a confession capable of fooling police:
His father told The Denver Post that while Karr was in college as an adult, a professor encouraged him to write a book about the Ramsey case after being impressed with a school paper.
“He researched everything he could about her,” Wexford Karr said.
I want to believe the cops have some smoking gun on him, but their work in the past does not inspire confidence. Say this for Dr. Deb: if you’re going to threaten kids, it looks like Colorado’s the place to do it.
Creepy detail worth noting in case he does turn out to be the killer:
Karr became a focus of the investigation after he e-mailed Michael Tracey, a University of Colorado journalism professor who produced three documentaries on the Ramsey case, university spokesman Barrie Hartman said.
“They did talk about the case, and what this man said led Michael to continue the conversation and led him to contact the authorities,” he said.
Nagging conscience? Or was he boasting? Creepier still:
Karr also told the AP he contacted JonBenet’s mother, Patsy Ramsey, before her death in June and that he wrote her letters about “many things.” He said he hoped that she received the letters.
If true, it wouldn’t be the first time a child-killer contacted the mother of his victim. Ever heard of Albert Fish? Read up.
You won’t thank me later.
Update: Colorado cops and prosecutors will be holding a press conference any minute now.
Update: They won’t comment on any of the evidence in the case.
Question: what if he pleads guilty? With all this doubt, will the judge reject the plea?
Update: He says he drugged her and raped her. And also allegedly strangled her in the course of a kidnapping attempt. During which he wrote an unusually long ransom note.
Sounds like a long time to be on the premises with no one noticing. And the autopsy showed no sign of drugs or alcohol.
Chalk white, pencil neck, flat expression: he sure looks the part, though.

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False confessions don’t usually know facts that weren’t released to the press (which he supposedly did), but without knowing what he told them, it’s hard to pick a side.
(Disclosure: I’ll freely admit to hoping this is the guy, and that the potassium chloride works slowly. Second grade schoolteacher. Grrrrrr.)
Tanya on August 17, 2006 at 12:06 PM
True, but if you know enough about the details that have been made public you can make some pretty good educated guesses about the ones that haven’t.
Why would the ex cover for him? Why would he have zeroed in on JonBenet halfway across the country when there were other kids nearby? There are baby beauty-pageant winners in Alabama, too.
Allahpundit on August 17, 2006 at 12:12 PM
AP, thats the key. IF they make that connection with dad and Karr, its all over. I do hope they have the right guy. Writing about many different kid killers is a great cover also. You would know many of the facts of the case.
Maybe he just wanted a ride back to America.
shooter on August 17, 2006 at 12:19 PM
The ex surprised me too. But lots of women carry torches for their exes for a long time. Especially the kind of women that are co-dependent enough to put up with (and breed with) pedophiles.
No guesses about motive. Like I said, I don’t know which side I believe yet, but one hopes they checked carefully and rounded up tons of evidence before they nabbed him. They’ve clearly been trailing him for ages.
Tanya on August 17, 2006 at 12:31 PM
The thing that bothers me( in more ways than one) is that she was killed with a wire around the neck so brutally that the ” it was an accident” line does not balance out. A kidnapping gone wrong? with a brutal strangulation? Something is amiss here, and there is way more to the story I am sure.
bbz123 on August 17, 2006 at 12:34 PM
Allah,
Isn’t there DNA under the nails and in her panties? If there is and it matches, then who cares what the ex wife and father say.
Rustyw on August 17, 2006 at 12:36 PM
(And one also hopes that a tiny piece of those tons of evidence involves already-tested DNA.)
Tanya on August 17, 2006 at 12:36 PM
Yeah, what he said.
Tanya on August 17, 2006 at 12:36 PM
Isn’t it time to change the name of that city from Bangkok to I don’t know…anything
Rustyw on August 17, 2006 at 12:42 PM
Of course. But if they already had a DNA match, you’d think they would have leaked it.
Allahpundit on August 17, 2006 at 12:42 PM
Is this guy accused of something in Thailand or Malasia?
I would confess killing JFK just to avoid their prisons.
Ropera on August 17, 2006 at 12:47 PM
Yea but,
They said it didn’t match anyone in the FBI data base. I am assuming that there isn’t a reason for this guy to be in the data base. If that is the case, and it’s highly likely that it is, he hasn’t been tested yet.
Rustyw on August 17, 2006 at 12:48 PM
My thoughts exactly. Either he confessed to get out of Thailand, or they “helped him” with his memory.
High Desert Wanderer on August 17, 2006 at 12:49 PM
Well Ropera,
He was staying in the sex trade area. You might have a point. But it’s not like they went in there and shut the place down.
It is more likely that he isn’t accused of any crime there. I think I read that due to the investigation, his papers were revoked. Or at least he was labeled as a undesirable. Then they held him for US authorities.
Other wise, why would they jeopardize their sex trade?
Rustyw on August 17, 2006 at 12:52 PM
If true, it wouldn’t be the first time a child-killer contacted the mother of his victim. Ever heard of Albert Fish? Read up.
You won’t thank me later.
Cripes, Allah, that’s the truth.
That’s one of the worst things I’ve ever read.
Slublog on August 17, 2006 at 12:53 PM
Well I doubt he did it now as well, I mean, if he DID do it, why is he practically turning himself in now? Of course if he didn’t do it, but he is some deranged ‘fan’ of the case, this behavior makes more sense. This could be even more convoluted, if he is a deranged fan in part because he was the murderer.
I don’t think the police have been trailing this guy, or rounded up evidence, etc. It sounds like this is all because of evidence tracey presented.
I also think it is noteworthy that this guy spilled his guts in Thailand evidently thinking that the US didnt have the authority to take him. Maybe this started out as some psycho attention whoring thing to make himself part of the story, and now that he might be facing serious consequences he might back away from the confession?
kaltes on August 17, 2006 at 12:59 PM
With all the incompetence that the previous investigators and D.A. showed over the past 10 years, you would think that this new group would cross all their t’s and dot their i’s. I just can’t imagine that they have not.
pullingmyhairout on August 17, 2006 at 1:16 PM
If anything, this dude is guilty of looking really weird.
JammieWearingFool on August 17, 2006 at 1:17 PM
Allah, that’s sick about albert fish. HOW do you find nasty stuff like that????? sheesh. now i’ll have nightmares…
pullingmyhairout on August 17, 2006 at 1:23 PM
This guy JOHN MARK KARR, has all three names being used….. Many 3 named people have been kilers. No that’s science.
shooter on August 17, 2006 at 1:27 PM
After that 9/11 video I won’t click anything from AP when he gives fair warning like that. Hey, at least he warns us. I don’t have morbid curiosity to click it now either.
kaltes on August 17, 2006 at 1:36 PM
1. This man is to be presumed innocent until and unless proven guilty!
2. The Boulder, Colorado District Attorney was already pursuing this guy in Thailand, before he confessed. So, from that I assume they have other evidence to support an arrest, otherwise why did they have people in Thailand trying to find this guy and gather more evidence.
3. The Boulder, Colorado District Attorney told Patsy before she died in June that they had a suspect they were pursuing, which again assumes there is more evidence than the confession.
So, while we don’t know if this guy is guilty, there is a presmption evidence exists other than simply this confession.
Umnumzana on August 17, 2006 at 1:37 PM
The Boulder DA’s office worked with officials in Thailand and spent months locating, finding and arresting Karr. Much work has been done, but there’s much more to be done while the suspect is in custody, Lacy said.
An official with the Colorado Bureau of Investigation said that Karr, a former teacher in California, already has a criminal record of sex offenses in Southern states near his former homes in Alabama and Georgia.
Although authorities collected DNA samples from JonBenét, none matched family members or anyone else tested.
Sonoma County authorities charged Karr with five counts of possession of child pornography in April 2001. When he failed to appear for a court date the following December, a warrant was issued for his arrest.
“We have had no contact with him since,” said Sgt. Rob Giordano of the sheriff’s department.
Thai officials disputed U.S. reports that Karr already was in custody on unrelated sex charges, but labeled him an “undesirable person” because of the accusations against him.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4190797
Rustyw on August 17, 2006 at 1:41 PM
I’m with shooter and HDW. This guy was accused of something bad in Thailand, where, they could probably cane him and kill him pretty quick.
Enter confession about Jon Benet… he gets taken back to the US, makes sure to say it was an accident and not premeditated, knowing full well a band of ACLU will make sure he gets handled with kid gloves and won’t get the death penalty-no premeditation, an “accident.”
He’ll rot in jail where he can continue his sick fantasies.
I think he’s a freak who’s smart enough to play our legal system to his advantage. SEND HIM BACK TO THAILAND AND LET THEM DO WHAT THEY WILL.
NTWR on August 17, 2006 at 1:44 PM
Oh yeah, this all assumes the DNA doesn’t match or is inconclusive.
NTWR on August 17, 2006 at 1:44 PM
Having been in Malaysia, which of course isn’t Thailand, I can say that if you did something bad there, it wouldn’t mater that the US, Canadian, Australian or any other government wanted you. They would still hang you.
I remember the Australians trying to get back some high school teachers that were caught with Heroin in Malaysia. They hung them, then sent them back.
Rustyw on August 17, 2006 at 1:49 PM
Oh great and wise Allah,
Why has your past wisdom cast a scornful eye on the Ramseys? Yet now you allow your mercy to fall on Karr?
Allah truly works in mysterious ways.
Rustyw on August 17, 2006 at 1:56 PM
Well, I learned my lesson. no more clicks from me either.
pullingmyhairout on August 17, 2006 at 2:23 PM
Feh. He’s a pedophile. That’s enough for me; BURY him for that. I don’t care if he didn’t kill JonBenet; he’s still a monster. Child predators do not deserve to live.
The more I hear about this, the less I believe he killed JonBenet, but he’d damn well better not be a free man if they find the DNA doesn’t match. From what I read somewhere, there’s still a warrant for his arrest in California, and although he probably would go free eventually, maybe he’d get prison justice. One can only hope.
bamapachyderm on August 17, 2006 at 2:25 PM
Wonder if the guy has AIDS. Kinda looks like it.
Lehuster on August 17, 2006 at 2:35 PM
Count me in the camp that feels this doesn’t make sense.
It’s been awhile since I read up on the case, so my memory may be a bit foggy. But wasn’t it determined that there were no signs of forced entry into the home? I vaguely remember there being considerable attention paid to a broken window (?) in the basement, but if I remember correctly, the opening was too small for someone to gain entry through that window (though Karr looks like he could fit through such an opening – heh), no? Also, if he presumably didn’t know the Ramseys, then how did he know to include something about the $118K bonus in his ransom note? And how many child predators write (and practice writing on the premises) ransom notes, anyway? Finally, what about all the stuff (rope, duct tape?) Patsy bought shortly before JonBenet was murdered? Coincidence?
I’m hoping that there are MANY dots to be connected that we just can’t see yet…
Fly_in_Ointment on August 17, 2006 at 2:55 PM
Fly_in_Ointment:
1. I heard an investigator today say there was evidence of forced entry.
2. The other points you made are questions that must be answered; but they did not represent sufficient evidence to charge the Ramsey’s for 10-years, why would that change now?
Umnumzana on August 17, 2006 at 3:11 PM
I’m holding my breath until the DNA smoking gun.
On an unrelated and much less serious note, doesn’t Karr look like the leader of the cult outside of San Diego? The one that ate the cyanide pudding and went to the mothership?
Kid from Brooklyn on August 17, 2006 at 3:27 PM
Umnumzana,
You’re correct. Now that I go back and read the information on the case (I started here; I take its veracity with a grain of salt), I see that there was evidence of forced entry. However, there is some dispute as to whether it was staged.
Regarding the other questions, they will probably never be answered conclusively, unless the police or Karr himself have a smoking gun that sheds some light on things. The Ramseys were probably correctly never indicted due to lack of evidence, and the MSM probably overanalyzed much of the evidence. Hopefully, this case can finally be put to rest, however.
Fly_in_Ointment on August 17, 2006 at 3:30 PM
And now for something completely different.
Damn, now we’ll have to listen to Greta Van Sustern 24/7 for another month, giving her legal insight on who dunnit?
Hey Fox, do you happen to have Laura Ingraham’s phone number handy?
fogw on August 17, 2006 at 3:35 PM
Velly velly fishy. If a DNA match-yes. No DNA-No.
This guy looks wierd, but so do the other wanna be murder headliners. Sitting in a flop house in Bankok, maybe he decided he wanted some real excitement. Either way, he is in big trouble now. Just ask that big eyed reluctant bride that had to pay back the costs of her investigation.
Shmo on August 17, 2006 at 4:48 PM
I am having strong doubts about his so-called confession in Thailand. His having studied and written about child abusers/killers may have given him enough info to convince verbally to the Thai that he was able to extricate himself from a far worse fate in Thailand than a charge of false confession in the U.S.
gary on August 17, 2006 at 5:26 PM
Allah – I’m sure when you look up the term ‘kiddie-fiddler’ in Webster’s, THAT picture shows up.
He couldn’t look any more like a textbook pedophile.
Martin on August 17, 2006 at 6:25 PM
Eventually, other details emerged which competed with the original picture. Though there was no sign of forced entry, there was that small broken window into the basement that had been left open. Though there were no footprints in the snow, there was no snow on the part of the lawn that would need to be crossed to get in through the window. There was a footprint near the body left by a Hi-Tec boot. There was a latent handprint on the doorframe that didn’t match any of the Ramseys’. If you looked closely, there were marks on the child’s back and neck that were consistent with the use of a stun gun. The garrotte was viciously tightened: would a parent kill their child that way?
For those committed to the intruder theory, there was no shortage of strange characters, though none was ever charged. Bill McReynolds had played Santa at the Ramseys’ Christmas party three days earlier, for the third year in a row. He had been given a tour of the house, so he would have been familiar with its complicated geography, and he had written JonBenet a Christmas card saying that Santa would be giving her a ’special present’ after Christmas. It was found in her rubbish bin after her death. On the very same day in 1974 – Boxing Day – McReynolds’s nine-year-old daughter had been abducted with a friend, and had witnessed the sexual molestation of her friend. No suspects were ever found. In 1976, McReynolds’s wife Janet had written a play in which a young girl is molested, tortured, murdered and left in a basement. Bill McReynolds died in 2002.
Other suspects cropped up: there was Gary Oliva, a convicted sex offender who had been seen hanging around the alleyway at the back of the house. He had spent time in prison for raping a seven-year-old girl in Oregon, and talked about making bacon out of a little girl’s skin. In March 1997, a tip came in about Oliva: he had called a friend on 26 December and sobbed hysterically, saying he had done something terrible to a little girl. A year later, he attended JonBenet’s memorial service. Four years later, two weeks before Christmas, he was arrested on the Colorado University campus for trespassing. The policeman who made the arrest searched his backpack and found a stun gun, a photo of JonBenet and an ode to her.
Chris Wolf, a freelance journalist, became a suspect when his girlfriend called the police and said he had stormed out of the house on Christmas night and come back the following morning, with muddy clothes. He became furious when he saw news reports of JonBenet’s death on TV. The ransom note was signed ‘S.B.T.C’; Wolf had a sweatshirt bearing those initials – they stood for Santa Barbara Tennis Club. He had written an article about John Ramsey’s company, Access Graphics, and may have had access to information about his bonus. He was a friend of Bill McReynolds. The theory that there was more than one intruder has been seriously considered.
But the suspect who looked most likely was dead within two months of the murder. Michael Helgoth seemed to have shot himself the day after District Attorney Alex Hunter announced they were closing in on the killer. But this, too, began to look like murder. Helgoth was right-handed, but the trajectory of the fatal bullet went from left to right. In Helgoth’s apartment were found a pair of Hi-Tec boots, a stun gun, a baseball cap with the letters ‘SBTC’ on it, and a videotape of a news story about the unsolved kidnap and murder of a six-year-old girl. If there were two assailants, could the other have silenced this one?
Rustyw on August 17, 2006 at 7:31 PM
He might of avoided their prison but he has an outstanding warrant for his arrest in CA on child pornography charges.
im4eagles on August 17, 2006 at 9:20 PM
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