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“Deranged”: Sullivan skeptical of terror plot, questions the timing

posted at 4:20 pm on August 16, 2006 by Allahpundit
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Crisis averted. Presented with an agonizing moral dilemma about torture in a ticking-bomb scenario? No problem; simply deny that there’s a bomb. As Ace explains:

I was just writing [that] the left needs there to never be a coercive interrogation that results in useful intelligence if they are to maintain their absurd stance that avoiding coercion costs us nothing, as it’s not useful anyway.

If coercion or outright torture are sometimes useful, they have to retreat from that childish position and answer the more adult question, “How many innocent lives will you sacrifice to spare a terrorist pain and discomfort?”

They don’t want to answer that, of course. They’d prefer to insist that such a trade-off is purely hypothetical.

Thus, Andrew Sullivan needs the SkyBomb plot to be essentially a hoax if he is to avoid recanting his last two years’ worth of screeching about coercion and “rogue nations.”

Exactly. It’s a torture-specific example of Michael Moore’s approach to the “fictitious” war generally: if there’s no threat, you don’t have to deal with it. Normally I’d follow that by acknowledging that Sullivan’s a far cry from Moore, but now that he’s tried to link the timing of the plot’s announcement to Lieberman’s primary loss, is he? On this issue, is he really?

On the supposed lack of evidence in the case, see here. On the supposed lack of imminence, see here. It’s not “imminent” unless the bomb’s on the plane, it seems — which, let’s remind ourselves, is what the dry run would have involved. The point of it was to see if they could smuggle explosives onboard an aircraft filled with passengers.

But that was still 48 hours away when they aided the suspects’ homes. Hardly “imminent,” you’ll agree.

One other thing he said, which Ace surprisingly let him off the hook for:

I wish I didn’t find these questions popping into my head. But the alternative is to trust the Bush administration.

Been there. Done that. Learned my lesson.

We’ve seen him use that logic before. There’s literally no degree of conspiratorial craziness that Sullivan will not excuse — or indulge in himself — so long as it’s presented in terms of skepticism towards Bush. Ace accuses him of engaging in de facto 9/11 Trutherism, which sounds unfair until you realize how well it fits the pattern. If you really pressed him, I’m sure Sully would dismiss Dylan Avery as a kook — while also noting, with exquisite sadness, that he can understand how people would think Bush capable of such a thing.

He also called Karol “deranged,” which, in fairness, is entirely accurate.


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These appeasers are getting so tiresome. Perhaps there should be two terminals at airports-one for those ordinary people who believe the terrorists when they say they want global jihad against all infidels, and one without any security measures, for those who believe this is all “Rovian” conspiracy meant to keep the “Bush regime” in power.

And send the Hezbo supporters to Lebanon. Seeing them protest in SF and LA is too sickening.

NTWR on August 16, 2006 at 4:34 PM

The more I find out about Ms. Sullivan; the more I dislike him.

Cary on August 16, 2006 at 4:41 PM

“Deranged” and “Sullivan” in same headline = Redundant

thirteen28 on August 16, 2006 at 4:42 PM

NTWR, that was amazing.

To the pacifist liberal:

Two airports… One with no security measures - none. And one with excessive security measures.

Which do you choose?

ar_basin on August 16, 2006 at 4:42 PM

Ahh I remember back in the day when Allah predicted that Sullivan would endorse Kerry and, wouldn’t you know it, that’s exactly what Sullivan did.

It is very much in fashion, and has been for some time, to bash Bush. In major urban areas, it is almost one of those things “everyone can agree on”. There are some conservative criticisms of Bush, and we see these from Mrs. Malkin, most of which I agree with (immigration) and a few which I don’t (dubai). That said, I see a lot of conservatives bash Bush simply because they appear to think it makes them appear more moderate, and more ‘reasonable’. I think O’Reilly falls into that category, among others. Of course that is the same variety of spinelessness that resulted in senate republicans being divided on the house immigration bill.

kaltes on August 16, 2006 at 5:02 PM

He also called Karol “deranged,” which, in fairness, is entirely accurate.

Hahaha. :-)

Karol on August 16, 2006 at 5:22 PM

I really can’t remember the last time I’ve seen anyone - left or right - link to him in a postive way. I only keep reading him for the same reason I read DU: entertainment and for those brief glimpses of light shining through the murky darkness.

frankj on August 16, 2006 at 5:59 PM

There are brief glimpses of light at DU? I must have missed that thread.

hindmost on August 16, 2006 at 6:04 PM

There was a time - not long after 9/11 - when I regularly read Sullivan’s blog because it seemed that unlike the vast majority of libs out there, he “got it.”

And then that meanie George Bush came out against the idea of Sullivan marrying his boyfriend, and suddenly he became one-note Andy: his entire universe orbiting around his genitals.

At least he seems to be expanding his horizons a bit lately, enough to give his fixation with homosexual “marriage” a rest long enough to indulge in some deranged BushCo/Rovian conspirzoid dementia.

Spurius Ligustinus on August 16, 2006 at 6:19 PM

Time for some timeless wisdom from Allah’s ole blog: In reporting on another kidnapped victim having been decapitated by terrorists in Iraq, Allah decided to plug a special version of the report so that Sullivan takes notice, (I paraphrase,)

“Gay Marriage between Head and Body ends tragically”

3 years later it’s still pitch-perfect.

Niko on August 16, 2006 at 7:08 PM

Sullivan called gay marriage “the civil rights issue of our times”, if memory serves me. And he gobsmackingly protests any kind of torture against Islamic terrorists. The irony here is that Islamic terrorists would, if they had the chance, torture and ultimately behead Big Gay Andrew (who would alter “I’m super, thanks for asking!” to “I’m extremely morose, thanks for asking!”) if they had a chance.

Sully should take his civil rights crusade to a Shiite-dominated nation/region and compare it to life under Jorge Bush.

Bellicose Muse on August 16, 2006 at 9:40 PM

If coercion or outright torture are sometimes useful, they have to retreat from that childish position and answer the more adult question, “How many innocent lives will you sacrifice to spare a terrorist pain and discomfort?”

FWIW I strongly agree, but how do you personally respond to someone who throws out John McCain as a counterargument? “John McCain says torture doesn’t accomplish anything, and he would know… are you calling John McCain a child??” And so on.

RD on August 16, 2006 at 10:01 PM

Sexual matter over mind - it’s those boys in the tobacco shops some referred to in the “Hate Couture” thread, toward the end. Could also be Mr. Sullivan’s sympathy factor with the islamist male…

Entelechy on August 17, 2006 at 2:00 AM

To get back some of his former mind, and for a reality check, Mr. Sullivan might need to visit Saudi Arabia for a while.

Entelechy on August 17, 2006 at 2:34 AM

Sully was a conservative cross dresser. He fooled a lot of us. Then he came out of the closet. No more cross dressing, just leftist rhetoric.

Rustyw on August 17, 2006 at 12:45 PM


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