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Ceasefire: One hour away (Update: It’s on)

posted at 12:04 am on August 14, 2006 by Allahpundit
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Set to take effect at 1 a.m. EST — but it’s already on on the Israeli side and has been since 7 p.m. The IDF says some of its forces will begin withdrawing immediately, with others to follow quickly as the handover to UNIFIL begins.

Lots of updates coming. While you wait, join Ralph Peters as he stares into the abyss.

Can we win “Eastern” wars with Western values? I doubt it.

This question is going to eat at our consciences for years to come – even as we learn to do what must be done.

Despite media lies about Israeli “atrocities,” the IDF has been doing all it can to spare civilians. For example, the Israelis repeatedly risked commando teams deep in hostile territory to take out Hezbollah command-and-control cells – instead of just leveling the crowded apartment buildings where the terrorists were hiding. But, ultimately, all of the special operations in the world will fall far short of delivering decisive, crushing victories. We are going to have to learn to fight by the enemy’s rules. And we aren’t going to like it.

Update: Wondering why the UN resolution didn’t mention Chapter VII?

Because Hezbollah didn’t want it to. That’s why.

On Thursday, Mr. Bolton and Mr. de la Sablière met with delegates from the Arab League who had flown to New York to protest the existing draft resolution as biased in Israel’s favor. They said the resolution was unacceptable to Lebanon as long as it contained references to Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter, which gives international peacekeeping forces broad military powers.

Hezbollah, which is part of the Lebanese government, would not accept a resolution that appeared to directly empower foreign forces to disarm it.

At NRO, Michael Rubin runs down the list of Condi Rice’s diplomatic “victories” since she became Secretary of State. I’m officially off her bandwagon.

Update: Time magazine quotes Lebanese sources as confirming a weeks-old rumor — that Nasrallah is or was holed up in the Iranian embassy in Beirut. His “newfound aura as Islam’s defiant redeemer” has reportedly inspired at least 50 Palestinian couples to name their newborn children after him, a fine cultural tradition which, as I recall, also manifested itself when the IAF fired missiles up Sheikh Yassin’s and Abdel Aziz Rantisi’s respective asses a few years ago.

Update: The question of the day, courtesy of Captain Ed and Jeff Goldstein, is why Nasrallah would walk away from a UN resolution that lets him claim victory over the provision that calls on him to disarm. Why not make a pretense of disarming now to show what a standup guy he is and then let Iran and Syria furtively resupply him? Is it a ploy to try to get the UN to waver on the disarmament issue? Is he, as Debka asserts, following instructions from Iran to keep the Israelis busy for another month while the nuke-program drama drags on? Or is he simply drunk on his own press? Jed Babbin:

In every war since its independence, Israel has won decisively against Arab forces by throwing its full military weight against the enemy. None, before Hassan Nasrallah, has been able to withstand the Israelis. But now Nasrallah towers over all other terrorist leaders, even bin Laden. Nasrallah has fought the Israeli military to a standstill for a month, and his rockets still rain down on Israel. Nasrallah was, by UN action, elevated to the status of leader of a nation-state able to accept or reject the UN’s terms.

Ed and Jeff think this might all be part of some ingenious Israeli rope-a-dope where they agree to the ceasefire precisely because it puts the ball in Nasrallah’s court to disarm. If he doesn’t, the theory goes, then … what? The international community will give Israel the green light to pound the hell out of Lebanon until the last jihadi is liquidated? The only reason the resolution was passed in the first place is because the world is worried about the radicalizing effect that Arab civilian casualties might have on Muslims. That logic will still obtain if the bombing starts up again, regardless of which party to the conflict is in breach of the actual terms. Which is why you’re already seeing stuff like this:

Israel believes it will be entitled to use force to prevent Hizbollah from rearming and to clear guerrilla positions out of southern Lebanon after a U.N. truce takes effect, Israeli officials said on Sunday…

Western diplomats and U.N. officials said they feared Israel’s broad definition of “defensive” actions could lead to a resurgence in large-scale fighting, preventing the swift deployment of international troops meant to monitor a ceasefire.

Nasrallah’s already made his position clear: so long as Israeli troops remain in Lebanon, they’re engaged in an “offensive” operation that entitles Hezbollah to continue hostilities. And so long as Hezbollah is engaged in hostilities, the Lebanese army won’t deploy. And so long as the Lebanese army won’t deploy,… Israeli troops will remain in Lebanon.

If I had to bet on an outcome here, I’d bet on another two or three days of fighting while Kofi Annan wrings his hands and makes facial expressions demonstrating Deep Concern, followed by one of two outcomes: (1) a compromise by which Hezbollah agrees to disarm, but only at some point in the future, or (2) if things are going badly, some sort of face-saving gesture by the Lebanese government that lets Nasrallah preserve his victory, e.g., an agreement that Hezbollah will disarm and then be incorporated into the Lebanese army. And then, in either case, a very quick deployment of peacekeepers.

Bottom line: these guys don’t make strategic errors as big as the one Nasrallah seems to have made. Just doesn’t happen.

What if he does agree to disarm, and then Israel learns — surprise, surprise — that he’s being secretly resupplied via Syria? The JPost put that question to an IDF officer and got this answer: “This is a serious question that requires a decision by the diplomatic echelon. We need to prevent the Hizbullah from rebuilding itself. The question is how far are we willing to go to do that.” Probably not that far. Why would they? The UN will only end up screwing them again.

Update: It’s 1 a.m. as I write this, so the ceasefire, in theory, is on. Ynet has reported sirens going off in Galilee, Kiryat Shmona, and Haifa within the past hour. No rockets have landed, though.

Update: A Lebanese intelligence specialist tells WaPo that Hezbollah’s resources, fanaticism, and study of military tactics (including Vietnam) makes them “the best guerrilla force in the world.” If you skipped that Ralph Peters excerpt above, you might want to read it now.

Meanwhile, Sy Hersh accuses the Bush administration of nefariously plotting to weaken our enemies. Outrageous.


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She’s gone native at Foggy Bottom, without question. She speaks in the opaque non-specifics of State Dept. operatives, and has failed entirely to differentiate between defensive action by Israel and indisciminate attacks on civilian areas by Hezbollah.

I won’t vote for her should she stand in a Presidential primary, no way.

The list of those for whom I would vote is getting shorter by the day.

Martin on August 14, 2006 at 12:31 AM

Will it hold?

I’m don’t think I’m breaking any new ground by saying no, it won’t hold. Hezbollah doesn’t care because they deliberately attack civilians in the first place… They are terrorists and Islamofascists and don’t have any desire for a peaceful existence with Israel.

It can’t be said enough. If hezbollah/hamas/etc. put down their weapons, peace can be had. If Israel lays down theirs, they will be slaughtered by “asians” Muslims.

As for civilian children deaths. Isreal doesn’t target them. I know there are millions of Americans (see DC and Toronto pics and videos in other threads) who believe Israel deliberately attacks civilians, but if you have half a brain you know that’s BS. Israel could have killed hundreds of thousands if that was their desire. They’ve been pinpoint bombing terrorist strongholds, it just so happens that these terrorists hide behind civilians, then inflate the death counts, then stage and fake photos, etc.

I can’t help but wonder where all the outrage is everytime some terrorist straps on a bomb belt in Israel and kills dozens of people on a bus, etc. No, nothing to be outraged about there. But when civilians die because the Hezbos hide behind them in Lebanon, then there’s world outrage. Check out Dan Riehl by the way.. I actually posted a few days ago about a Lebanese web site blaming Hezbos for Qana which included claims that the Hezbos brought in handicapped children, knowing the place would be bombed (and of course these kids couldn’t escape. Reihl is on top of that angle and has uncovered some disturbing info.

RightWinged on August 14, 2006 at 12:51 AM

I’m don’t think = I don’t think

RightWinged on August 14, 2006 at 12:51 AM

Four words missing in the whole debate:
Eldad Regev
Ehud Goldwasser

There IS no ceasefire; Nasrallah has said it’s still open season on Israelis in Lebanon. One shot fired by them–and it will happen–and it’s back on.
Hezbollah has absolutely no incentive to hold their fire; they don’t care how many lives are “martyred” in their quest to annihilate Israel. This “ceasefire” defies reality and logic.

bamapachyderm on August 14, 2006 at 1:13 AM

This is the last straw I think,and there will wind up being a lot of dead Hellz-Beulahs and even UN Peacekeepers.The Arabs are too hell-bent on world-destruction to have anything other than total all-out war with them,no more Hunda in our time!

bbz123 on August 14, 2006 at 1:13 AM

Gaaah. Out of the loop for too many days. I can’t keep up. But no, this won’t do a bit of good.

I wonder something. If Syria, Iran, and Lebanon’s “actual” army just came out into the open with any other country that wanted to join the party and attacked Israel, crossed the borders as if they were Poland, what would the U.S. and Britain do? And would we be the only ones to do anything? And could we drive them back alone?

The fact that these countries so far don’t do this suggests that they think the response would be too much for them to handle, so they let Hez do their dirty work. It’s a damn shame that we can’t round up some allies who would help make the response *now* too much for them to handle.

The fact that they don’t do this also suggests they believe too many other nations support Israel’s right to exist. As long as that’s true they can’t do much but take potshots and get pounded and cry about “disproportionate.” But if it really were true, we (those magical phantom nations who unequivocally support Israel’s right to conduct themselves as a nation) should be making the response NOW *too much for them to handle.*

I really fear what’s coming later if we don’t.

Anwyn on August 14, 2006 at 1:57 AM

Exactly Anwyn, history for 1700 years has shown that any break in the fight for the Muslims is only a time to re-arm and come back for more carnage.The sooner we put an end to this once and for all the better,it will not get any easier with them.

bbz123 on August 14, 2006 at 2:00 AM

I join those who feel it won’t hold. It’s only a matter of when and with what Hezbollah attacks again.

History repeatedly has shown they use these “cease-fires” to re-arm with something bigger and better.

I think Golda Meir said it best, “When they learn to love their children more than they hate us, there will be peace in the Middle East.” (paraphrased)

Reading today that the London Bombers were using babies as a cover for their next attack just shows they have a long way to go in learning to love their own children.

LewWaters on August 14, 2006 at 3:59 AM

Ceasefire:

Meaning, Arabs re-arm, Israelis (maybe us) wait to get killed.

My answer:

Naw, I say remove the arrogating ‘nose hair’ “Nasrallah”, out.

A’ole no!

Kini on August 14, 2006 at 4:38 AM

I’m still stunned they agreed to a cease-fire without the return of the kidnapped soldiers. Big mistake.

Kevin M on August 14, 2006 at 7:31 AM

Can we win “Eastern” wars with Western values?

No.

I’m still stunned they agreed to a cease-fire without the return of the kidnapped soldiers. Big mistake.

Kevin M on August 14, 2006 at 7:31 AM

Yup. Kevin is right. Big mistake.

Lawrence on August 14, 2006 at 9:03 AM

“Can we win “Eastern” wars with Western values? I doubt it.”

This was an excellent post Allah, with a Peters and the WaPo article being “keeper” links. But I think we should re-phrase Peters’ above question. A better question might be the following: “Can the West can win any war with Post-Modern values?” We did just fine against the East for the past 500 years with Western values.

MarcH on August 14, 2006 at 9:51 AM

I’m still stunned they agreed to a cease-fire without the return of the kidnapped soldiers. Big mistake.

There could very well be some behind-the-scenes goings on about that. Let’s hope they do get them back during this “lull” preceding all-out hostilities.

speed647 on August 14, 2006 at 9:54 AM

I still have faith in Dr. Rice. Surely she and the Prez are privy to some things we aren’t.

mikeyboss on August 14, 2006 at 9:57 AM

Here’s hoping one of the reasons Israel agreed to a ceasefire is that they’re waiting for a huge shipment of MOABs.

Aunt B on August 14, 2006 at 10:17 AM

I think we can win the war with “Western” values, it just has to be the right Western Values. The Value of truly naming your enemy. The value of hitting the enemy as hard as you can until he is dead or surrenders unconditionally. The value of targetting anything and anyone who provides aid to the enemy and destroying it. The value of appreciating balls. The value of celebrating the killers of our enemys. We had all these at one time, we just have to rediscover them.

Iblis on August 14, 2006 at 10:38 AM

Are all of you ignoring the fact that Israel is in control of South Lebanon and is still killing all the Hezzies, defensively. They have killed six today after the ceasefire. Israel only had to stop the offensive, which is ok since they have acheived their offensive goal. Now they just kill leftover Hezzies at their leisure, and blow up all their weapons caches. No weapons go in, and no Hezzies come out of Southern Lebanon while Israel is in control. The UN will move at a molasses pace to get troops in there anyway. Iran and Syria have lost their deterrant on the north border of Israel.
Nasrallah sees the writing on the wall for Hezz. His political, social, and banking buildings have all been destroyed. Israel has inflicted billions in damage in Lebanon. Why do any of you trust the Western press when they try to show Hezzbollah as acheiving victory. Do you take Nasrallah at his word, like easily led sheep in the Arab world. This is the same crowd that believed Baghdad Bob hook, line and sinker. Don’t be a victim of propaganda.

Stormy70 on August 14, 2006 at 10:52 AM

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