The return of terror in the skies

posted at 10:25 am on August 11, 2006 by Bryan

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Just as I pointed out in a previous set of comments, the MSM continues to deflect reality in their reporting that this is an issue between fascist Islamic Extremists vs. the rest of the world… They sit there and rationalize for the terrorists instead of calling it like it is. My favorite nutball leftie moment? Someone screeching that it was a plot to distract from Lieberman’s loss because of the ‘strange timing’… Makes you wonder how many of these people really would prefer to live in a Matrix-like Virtual Reality world….?

DakRoland on August 11, 2006 at 10:39 AM

Great Vent. I just don’t get how people don’t want to say that these are Muslims that are trying to kill us. I know my Mormon neighbors don’t want to chop my head off because I don’t believe like they do. And as for those “Terrorist Awards”, I didn’t watch any of it when it was linked here because I just couldn’t take people mocking terrorist attacks. Dumb bastards.

StephC on August 11, 2006 at 10:41 AM

Technically, Pakistan IS part of Asia (one of the Asian nations). The Brits have been too protective of their Muslim communities so they do not want to use the term “Muslim” terrorists for the sake of PC and to prevent some type of backlash directed towards British Muslims (and perhaps the reverse, as well), hence using the word “Asian” does not sound so harsh and menacing.

But, I think now PC is begining to wear thin in Britian.

But, in any event, another great vent, Michelle.

The False Dervish on August 11, 2006 at 10:50 AM

Just how many of these “Young, Muslim, Males” arrive on our shores via temporary visas . . .only to disappear in the American landscape?

Glenn Beck’s radio program had a caller mention that businesses on Hilton Head Island routinely recruit from this demographic. He stated it was not unusual for these recruits to be ‘no shows’.

Very disturbing.

heroyalwhyness on August 11, 2006 at 10:51 AM

We must understand sooner rather than later that Islam is not a religion, it is a form of government. This form of government with its Sharia Law must be banned in the US. We cannot allow
another government under the guise of a religion to operate in side our borders. If they refuse to close the mosques of their government here in the US, the Imams must be arrested along with all ‘muslim worshippers’ and exported out of our nation. It is not a religion, but an ideology. One that demands death if we do not adhere to this ‘religious government’.

LZVandy on August 11, 2006 at 11:07 AM

Of course, over at the Democratic Underground, the liberals believe that “young Muslim males” are just angry at us because of Bush, so, all that needs done is to get Bush out of office, and the world will again all hold hands and sing Kum Ba ya.

The progressive wing of the Democrat party, who now appear to hold a lot of the cards, are nothing if not seditious traitors who, given the opportunity to have the power in their hands, will get us all killed.

NRA4Freedom on August 11, 2006 at 11:10 AM

Oh, and how come the MSM hasn’t been showing the rest of the Country the Pro-Hezbollah demonstrations going on in Detroit?

“…At some rallies, demonstrators held portraits of Hezbollah’s leader, Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, chanting his name and Hezbollah, the newspaper said. Law enforcement officials also have alerted local leaders in the Jewish community about potential security threats at synagogues.

“We find any support for murderous terrorist organizations like al-Qaida or Hezbollah very disappointing, if not disturbing,” Straus said.

But Osama Siblani, publisher of The Arab American News of Dearborn and spokesman for the Council of Arab American Organizations, said he doesn’t think federal pressure will shake support for Hezbollah.

“Who should they chant for? George Bush, the one who’s sending Israel bombs to kill their relatives, to kill more people?” Siblani said. “If they want to prosecute us, prosecute us…”

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2006608030447

NRA4Freedom on August 11, 2006 at 11:13 AM

Isn’t it something that the MSM didn’t want to upset the Muslim community, but they had no problem with targeting the Asian community? Let’s assume for a moment that all 24 (and counting?) terrorists were black. Would the MSM ahve called them young black males? Can you imagine how quickly Sharpton, Jackson, et.al. would’ve jumped on that?

So why describe them as Asian? Sure, maybe Pakistan *is* considered part of Asia (good point Dervish), but the main identifying characteristics of all of these guys are YOUNG, MUSLIM, MALES (Michelle, I wish you would’ve mentioned this point).

I haven’t bothered to check yet; any idea what type of statement CAIR issued about this?

Great vent though, HotAir staff!

dalewalt on August 11, 2006 at 11:28 AM

My biggest fear is beginning to rear its ugly head. Quite literally. While some fruitcakes decide NOT to look at ‘young muslim males’ as targets of suspicion, as your vent proves they should, the YMM keep attacking the world. We know WHO the enemy is RIGHT NOW. Like a person in the middle of the night wearing a mask in your neighborhood would be suspicious, young muslim males in mass transit buildings are suspicious. PERIOD.
My fear? That they can brainwash new muslims that LOOK different than they do to help KILL PEOPLE. They are now doing this.
If we do not profile these murderers like all other murder cases, they will soon blend in and then what will we do?
IF Muslim American lawyers (a 500+ group) and all muslims groups spent 10% of their energy educating and helping instead of interfering and blocking profiling, we would be much safer. JUST 10% of their time.
But these muslim american groups STOP our chances of profiling the worst criminals in world history. Are they in on it? I am wondering that very much, and starting to think it is so.

shooter on August 11, 2006 at 11:32 AM

When you bury your head in the sand, you leave a very vulnerable part of your body exposed, and it becomes a very inviting target.

pubscout on August 11, 2006 at 11:33 AM

I just answered my own question: Issued yesterday:

“American Muslims have consistently condemned all acts of terrorism, whether carried out by individuals, groups or states. We repudiate anyone or any group that plans or carries out a terrorist act,” the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) said in a statement.

“The American Muslim community has always been dedicated to the protection of our national security. It is also important that our fellow Americans understand that Muslims are law-abiding citizens who should not be targeted or singled out because of their faith or national origin,” CAIR said.

Of course, they also then issued a statement condemning Bush’s use of the phrase “Islamic fascists”. Oh well. CAIR wants to be a “bridge of understanding” to the Islamic world, huh? Besides issuing meaningless statements, what exactly has CAIR done to try to halt terrorism?

dalewalt on August 11, 2006 at 11:36 AM

LZVandy on August 11, 2006 at 11:07 AM- Great thought

I would give anything to back your theory, its not that far from the truth.

shooter on August 11, 2006 at 11:37 AM

What will be truly ironic about all of this will be that when Young Muslim Males finally get lucky and succeed in one of their grand acts of jihad, a major reason for their success will be the efforts our own “civil liberties” fetishists and willfully blind “broad spectrum of society” ignorati in hindering our ability to monitor and detect the plot.

Remember the scene from “Monty Python and the Holy Grail,” in which Lancelot is charging the castle gates intent on massacring the wedding party inside? The two gate guards just stupidly look at him and smile, until Lancelot kills one of them; the second one manages to say, “Hey!” before Lancelot runs him through as well – and then proceeds to slaughter everyone inside.

That’s what our national security policy and anti-terrorsim strategy will look like if Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi become the keepers of America’s gates. If the donkey party wins in November, you can take that prediction to the bank.

And speaking of ironic outcomes, the cherry on top will be that the result of such a dreadful event (i.e., a major terrorist attack, not a donkey party win – although that’d be dreadful, too) will be to bring on even greater restrictions on “civil liberties” than the largely imaginary ones that the see-no-evil-among-us types are so afraid of today.

Spurius Ligustinus on August 11, 2006 at 11:43 AM

Wow, I can’t believe that British spoof of Terror Awards.

What a disgrace.

ar_basin on August 11, 2006 at 12:00 PM

They don’t want to identify them as “young muslim males” and/or “islamo-fascists” because it might offend the Muslim community – so they need to be PC. Is it just me, or is a big part of the Muslim community already mad anyway? How much more are we going to tick them off if we correctly identify a group of people that want to commit mass murder? Uhh, sorry we pissed you off, but GET OVER IT!!

Rick on August 11, 2006 at 12:02 PM

Great Vent!

We have enemies in our midst, supported by anti-American citizens.

MarkB on August 11, 2006 at 12:07 PM

Thanks for the vent Michelle. Unfortunately, the West doesn’t get it yet, that we’re in a constant and on going terrorist war with radical Islam.

Dhimmitude

History of Jihad

“The relations of Muslims and non-Muslims were set in a context of a war: jihad. Its justification by Qur’anic verses and hadiths provides to jihad, the war against non-Muslims, a theological base. Jihad establishes a single pattern for relations between Muslims and non-Muslims and is central to their relationship. Jihad can be examined at three levels: its doctrine, its institutions, and its historical manifestations.”
“The ideology of jihad was conceived after Muhammad death. It encompasses a doctrine aiming at the Islamization of the world, supported by military institutions and tactics of war, all being considered as binding the Islamic community (umma). Jihad represents the Islamic worldview of war and peace, it constitutes a specialized domain of Islamic theology and law.”
“Jihad doctrine divides the peoples of the world into two irreconcilable groups: the dar al-Islam (the land of Islam) and the dar al-harb, (land of war) the non-Muslim world, destined to come under Islamic jurisdiction either by the peaceful conversion of its inhabitants, or by armed conflict. Jihad is the permanent state of war of the dar al-Islam against infidels until they submit to Islamic domination. Peace is accepted only temporarily according to circumstances. The institution of jihad regulates the conduct of war according to religious rules.”

byteshredder on August 11, 2006 at 12:19 PM

While I appreciate the message of this Vent, I think time has run out for racially profiling “young muslim males.” If I recall correctly, two of the bombers arrested in England yesterday were Muslim women, one pregnant and the other a mother to a six month old baby. Two others were not typical of what one would expect a Muslim to look like – as they were white converts. There were pictures a few weeks back of women marching with suicide belts alongside Hamas and/or Hizbollah activists.

These people are dumb, but they’re not dumb enough to fall into such a simple pattern. They want to break the mold for what an Islamic terrorist looks like. Even though the list of their names were all very middle eastern, I somehow doubt that screening only young, muslim males is going to catch them every time. I hope to God that I’m never on a flight wherein a young Muslim female detonates a bottle of “baby formula” while in the forward bathroom because the screeners were mainly focusing on stopping muslim men.

Savage on August 11, 2006 at 1:09 PM

Let’s turn off the bold type.

RedWinged Blackbird on August 11, 2006 at 1:11 PM

Testing

RedWinged Blackbird on August 11, 2006 at 1:11 PM

Well Savage, don’t know if you travel much but how often have you seen elderly people both black and white put through rigourous searches while obvious young muslim males just scoot right through. Yes, we all know that their plan is to recruit fools into their religion and into their attacks that don’t look like young muslim males. Also, you don’t have to worry about the muslim mother baby formula scencerio because they have to drink it before they can get on. Of course the ACLU will find this practice reprehensible and will shortly file suit I’m sure. This is not unusual as this was done shortly after 9/11 as my friend had to drink a small amount of her breast milk out of every bottle she had stored in her carry on for her flight to Germany to be with her husband after the baby was born in the US.
So, next time you travel look around and see just how many young muslim males go through the TSA virtually unscathed while the elderly, people with strollers (like myself who has been stopped multiple times, with two children, one disabled and a Desert Storm Vet) who are put aside and given “very serious scrutiny” and also have to stand in an air vent aparatus to have air blown on you looking for plastic explosives while again the young muslim males just cruise right on through.
Hope you put that in your brain and muddle that Savage.

Catie96706 on August 11, 2006 at 1:36 PM

Catie96706, I don’t want to argue from personal experience, because I actually have seen security pull aside an entire Arab family for security screening. Maybe that’s typical, maybe it isn’t, I haven’t seen any statistics on the subject.

You’re right in that Muslims should be held with more suspicion in security areas. While most Muslims aren’t terrorists, most terrorists are muslims, and a lot of Muslims support terrorism. It only makes sense for them to get pulled to the side more often than everyone else. However, everyone else should be prone to security screening, too. I’m very glad that they screen all types of people, not just the stereotypical brown skinned, brown eyed Pakistani males. Nobody should be exempt, and yes, that includes western women with strollers and disabled children. Extremist Islam is a death cult, and those people wouldn’t think twice about using children, the elderly, and the disabled as tools to get past security checkpoints and carry out their mission.

Savage on August 11, 2006 at 2:09 PM

Savage, nobody’s ever suggested that ONLY YMM’s get pulled to the side. That’s not what racial profiling is all about. The generally-accepted def. is: Racial profiling is the use of race as one consideration in suspect profiling or other law enforcement practices.. Read that again… one consideration. As you said, the TSA DOES screen for other factors beside race; however in this case the addition of race as one factor can be very effective. If “time were to run out for racially profiling” then that would mean that TSA/police/etc would not be allowed to use race as one of the factors.

So, by advocating getting rid of ‘racial profiling’; YMM’s would not be allowed to be stopped any more than any other segment of society.

dalewalt on August 11, 2006 at 2:25 PM

dalewalt

You posted,

“American Muslims have consistently condemned all acts of terrorism, whether carried out by individuals, groups or states. We repudiate anyone or any group that plans or carries out a terrorist act,” the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) said in a statement.”

The problem with that is, Islam’s “holy book” outlines how Muslims are to treat and respond to Kafirs(infidels). It’s with lies and misdirection. How can ANYTHING they “say” be counted as anything remotely the truth?

NRA4Freedom on August 11, 2006 at 2:35 PM

NRA4Freedom; I probably didn’t quote as effectively as I should have… I wasn’t making that statement… CAIR, those bastions of U.S. patriotism, made that statement in response to the arrests of the terrorists in the U.K.

Believe me, I don’t trust Muslims any farther than I could throw them (preferably off the top of a tall building).

dalewalt on August 11, 2006 at 2:39 PM

“Not all muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are muslims.”

The relationship between Islam and terrorism is crystal clear to anyone who has read the Quran. It is full of Allah’s commands to dismember, mutilate and/or kill the unbelievers. When you consider that muslim children are raised on this venom practically from birth, it’s pretty easy to see how Islam breeds terrorism. It’s in the Quran!

RedWinged Blackbird on August 11, 2006 at 2:40 PM

dalewalt: The problem is that Islam is not a race, it’s a religion. As we saw in the recent terror arrests, they’re diversifying sex and race in getting women and white people involved with their plots. I’m sure it won’t end there. There is an angry black Muslim convert who is just waiting for a chance to go on jihad somewhere in America. I believe a Phillipino or Indonesian Muslim group announced a few weeks back that they had sent suicide bombers all over the world. And let’s not forget that there are people out there like Jose “Abdullah al-Muhajir” Padilla.

So now we have Arab Muslims, female Muslims, white Muslims, Asian Muslims, black Muslims, hispanic Muslims – all of whom could potentially be terrorists. But they speak like everyone else, dress like everyone else, and act like everyone else. So how the Hell are airport screeners supposed to know a Muslim when they see one? I still believe the safest route is to screen at random, regardless of race, age or nationality. Maybe pay special attention if someone has characteristics about them that are blatently Islamic, sure, but still pay attention to everyone else.

Savage on August 11, 2006 at 3:10 PM

But Jihad means person inner struggle. Why don’t you infidels believe that?????

Andy in Agoura Hills on August 11, 2006 at 3:20 PM

savage; true, Muslims encompass more than just the Arab race. However, I’d wager a much higher percentage of terrorists in this country are young Arab-descended males than any other demographic. Until we start having a major problem with hispanic/phillipino/indonesian muslims, we’ll still thwart MORE terrorists by giving the Arab race a higher weight in the screening than if each datapoint had an equal weight.

dalewalt on August 11, 2006 at 3:33 PM

I agree, but the people who are charged with keeping us safe have to defeat all terrorists, not most of them. They also have to do it before we start having a major problem with hispanic/phillipino/etc. terrorists, not after they’ve managed to kill thousands of us.

If a woman comes through wearing a full burqa, or a man with his beard dyed red in honor of Mohammed tries to dash through, or something blatant like that, get the cavity search gloves and go for it. I’m not going to call the ACLU. But I don’t like these people complaining about their 60 year old caucasian baptist mother getting a wand waved over them. My complaint is that in a perfect world, every single person would get screened before going in. This isn’t a war on a single race, it’s a war on a single mentality that is shared by a diverse variety of people.

Savage on August 11, 2006 at 3:48 PM

Well, I think that the biggest problem people have with their 60 year old caucasian baptist mother getting stopped is when a 23 yr old Arab walks on by. If the 60 yr old baptist mother has other qualifying factors, or it’s just ‘her turn’, or every fifth 60 yr old baptist mother gets wanded… fine and dandy. But the arab-race factor SHOULD be given more weight…

again, don’t search JUST young arab males, but give the arab-race-factor a higher percentage of the weight than other factors.

dalewalt on August 11, 2006 at 3:53 PM

Nobody does it better than hotair. Thank god there is one high profile media type who is unwilling to let the PC police control her. What can possibly be the motivation of the fools who continue to insist that we must concentrate on checking grandmothers? PJ O’Rourke wrote ‘Parliament of Fools’. We seem to have a whole government of fools sometimes, & certainly a MSM of fools. Never apologize.

wcarr on August 11, 2006 at 4:50 PM

Good points, Savage and dalewalt.
While most terrorists, so far, have been YMMs of Arab decent, the other races are joining in the madness quickly. I knew a young white male who converted to Islam and changed his name, disowned his family and friends, and took on a burqa wearing wife. Sometimes I wonder when his face will be on the most wanted list.
And LZVandy, again, you are right on. We outlawed the “religion” of communism in WWII, and forced those who believed in it to leave the country. Unless the Muslim community finds a way to identify and turn in the radicals within their religion, they will all be deemed radicals, and rightfully so.
Would monitoring all mosques work? Maybe, but I doubt it. People can congregate and plot anywhere.

But freedom of religion cannot apply to a religion that requires the slaughter of all who do not belong to that religion. It just won’t work. Quite the conundrum for a nation founded on the principle of freedom of religion.

What to do? What to do?

Where’s McCarthy when we need him?

NTWR on August 11, 2006 at 4:51 PM

I would laugh at the Irony of today’s vent, if it wasn’t so incredibly, seriously sad.

Lawrence on August 11, 2006 at 4:53 PM

“What to do? What to do?”

Here’s what to do! Squeeze the so called “moderate Muslims” living here in the USA. Hey, we’ve gone down the Politically Correct route and these imbeciles don’t seem to get it.
It’s time to make them extremely uncomfortable. It’s not that F’ing hard. If they’re not willing to condemn the extremist jack offs among them, then we will assume that they are on board with their Islamofascist brothers.
Let’s make our problems, their problems.

there it is on August 11, 2006 at 5:15 PM

You’re Right(there it is),
It’s time to make them hear us..
Or we start calling them out and if they wish to stay quite then they are just as guilty as them Young Muslim Males the Terrorist….

alyce on August 11, 2006 at 5:32 PM

Savage, did you read what I wrote. I stated I have never seen any Muslims being set aside for extra security, I have seen elderly people, mothers with strollers, while the YMM glides through. I fly quite frequently and I can tell you in the past 5 years, I can honestly say that I have never seen any Mulsims in Burkas or anything else in the extra secuirty line. It’s annoying as hell for those of us who consistently get pulled aside to see those who don’t but probably should not be. So let’s quit the PC bullsh*t and be realistic. If the people who brought down the towers were the IRA, I could understand being set aside for more scrutiny. However, do you ever see Muslims with “God Bless America” on their cars? Of course you don’t, you don’t see it on Dems cars either, perhaps they’re all dems. I don’t know. Today CAIR brought out another statement about how bad President Bush is to call a spade a spade-Islamofacists. What’s the problem, that’s what they are. I hope that you are selected for multiple screenings sometime and you’ll get you’re head out of the clouds. It would be particularly amusing for you to be with two children 3 & 2. One who is non-ambulatory and another who is off to races while you have to be screened, stroller practically taken apart, all your carry ons gone through and a child running around who had to have their back pack leash removed but is on the other side and I can’t get him. Wake up and smell the coffee-the PC police would rather not have the ACLU on their case.

Catie96706 on August 11, 2006 at 7:09 PM

If you want to know why I travel so frequently alone-my husband in is in Iraq on his third tour.

Catie96706 on August 11, 2006 at 7:17 PM

How do we “make our problems their problems” when the ACLU and a city’s worth of lawyers will attack for “hate crimes” , maybe “bigotry,” “religious persecution,” and I’m sure many more BS legal terms if we single Muslims out?
It’s pretty tricky when we’ve tied our own hands and can’t get out. The lawyers who would defend these people obviously have no morals or conscience, and there’s plenty of money to draw them to defend…. we screwed ourselves.

PS, Catie-I’ve been singled out 3 times and I’ve only flown 4 times since 911. No fun getting felt up by some butch TSA chic while creeps walk on through….sorry you’ve had such bad experiences too.

NTWR on August 11, 2006 at 7:23 PM

I closed those tags!!!

NTWR on August 11, 2006 at 7:24 PM

NTWR, you’re not kidding about those TSA chicks. It’s very uncomfortable. People like Savage don’t understand it. It’s frightening though how many people just don’t get it. Well, there was some clueless Civil lib attorney on O’Reilly last night who yapped about the Bill of Rights for 7 minutes. I’m sure it will be comforting to all those who would be on those planes falling out of the sky to know the civil liberties of these fools will be protected if any of their cohorts who didn’t make the trip are caught.

Catie96706 on August 11, 2006 at 8:05 PM

Why is everything I type bold?

Catie96706 on August 11, 2006 at 8:06 PM

Catie96706,

It is unfortunate that you were inconvenienced, but how would you feel if you saw, “white muslim convert detonates explosive device hidden in child’s stroller at JFK” in the headlines one morning? The source of Islamic terror, we once thought, was foreign nationals bringing their extreme anti-American rhetoric into our country with student visas and marching orders from AQ. Now, in Canada, Florida and the UK, we now have “home grown” terrorists, inspired to action by that kind of extremist Islam, acting alone without direct orders from an international organization.

Terrorism changed, war changed. And just as the source of the mentality that drove these monsters to want to kill us changed, from foreign lies and false religion to domestic lies and false religion, the face of Islamic terror is changing. It is not uniform, even now, and looking for just one type of people or looking especially for just one type of people (Arab Muslim males), is going to let another type of people (like black converts, hispanic converts, white converts, female converts, Asian converts, or maybe somebody totally unexpected) squeeze through the system and deliver a devestating blow to the United States.

I’m worried that people who want airport security to focus on the Arabs and take the pressure off of other races are falling for the old magician’s trick of smoke and mirrors. We expect angry young Saudi Arabians living in Dearborn who attend Mosque three times a day and post anti-Semitic comments on the internet, we get playboys who go to strip clubs on Fridays and surround themselves with beautiful women every other day of the week.

Savage on August 11, 2006 at 8:07 PM

MUSLIMS and ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGON, IT’s A GOVERNMENT. A FORIEGN GOVERNMENT THAT WE SHOULD BAN FROM AMERICA.

shooter on August 11, 2006 at 11:00 PM

Well Savage, I’ll tell ya, I would be happy to see some YMM be searched. I’m tired of seeing elderly people, and people like myself searched while the Arabs go through. You know you have obviously never been searched like I have multiple times. You would have a different opinion if you had. It would be nice to go through once in a while and see someone else inconvenienced instead of me. DOn’t know why I am always stopped but I always am. Perhaps if this would happen to you everytime you flew, you’d get the idea that it’s a bit annoying and you would like to see others “share” in this adventure. You stated before how happy you were to see that Arab families aren’t searched. Well, I’ll tell ya, it’s annoying as hell to see them go through and laugh while you have to put together your kids and your stuff. I’m extremely tired of being “inconvenienced” as you call it. But you know, I think that you must be Arab because you seem to really not want them “touched” at all. Yeah, I know all about the Muslim converts and the white Muslim converts in this little action. However, out of the 24, 22 were YMM.

Catie96706 on August 11, 2006 at 11:02 PM

Not all muslims are terrorists, BUT, almost all terrorists are muslim! Hope that will not offend anyone……

R D on August 11, 2006 at 11:49 PM

Best Vent Yet. Watching that last 30 sec or so made me vent with a big deep breath. I forward so much info to all my friends they think I am a maniac. Oh well, another forward from their maniac friend.

Keep it up, so my poor granny can fly to visit me without having to stand in line for four hours, after all she is NOT a young muslim fascist murdering psychopath. More power to muslim racial profiling. How pathetic that asians were called muslim fascist murdering psychopaths by our idiots that call themselves communists, I mean journalists.

Keep up the fight before the left takes us and our children down.

strictor on August 12, 2006 at 12:14 AM

Catie95606 wrote:

You stated before how happy you were to see that Arab families aren’t searched.

Actually, what I wrote was:

Catie96706, I don’t want to argue from personal experience, because I actually have seen security pull aside an entire Arab family for security screening. Maybe that’s typical, maybe it isn’t, I haven’t seen any statistics on the subject.

As I said, I don’t want to argue from personal experience. I don’t have any numbers or surveys in front of me, so I don’t know whether or not Arab Muslims actually do get pulled to the side more often than others, and I’m not going to conjecture from just what I, one man, have seen that what I witnessed was typical. I’d rather have hard evidence to fall back on, and if I don’t have that, then it would be arrogant and stupid of me to make an assumption either way.

Back to you, though:

But you know, I think that you must be Arab because you seem to really not want them “touched” at all.

I’m not Arab. And I have no problem with getting screened at the airport. On September 11th, 2001, I accepted that in order to keep the nation secure from terrorists of all shapes, sizes, heritages and ages, every person of every shape, size, heritage and age would have to give up certain liberties in exchange for the safety of our nation. I stand by that sacrifice, I believe that it was a wise decision, and I refuse to whine about it.

I also find it ironic that you mocked a civil liberties attorney above, but seem to expect special treatment at the airport for yourself. You and he are both making the same argument, that people should be exempt from being held up at the airport. His argument covers all people, your argument covers just you.

Yeah, I know all about the Muslim converts and the white Muslim converts in this little action. However, out of the 24, 22 were YMM.

1. Twenty, I believe. Two of them were women, one of them “heavily pregnant,” the other already a mother of a few months old child.
2. Exactly my point. Focus on screening the usual suspects, the unusual suspects still get through.

Savage on August 12, 2006 at 12:15 AM

Not all muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are muslims.”

The relationship between Islam and terrorism is crystal clear to anyone who has read the Quran. It is full of Allah’s commands to dismember, mutilate and/or kill the unbelievers. When you consider that muslim children are raised on this venom practically from birth, it’s pretty easy to see how Islam breeds terrorism. It’s in the Quran!

RedWinged Blackbird on August 11, 2006 at 2:40 PM

Sorry, I should have read the whole comments list before adding mine. But I agree totally!

R D on August 12, 2006 at 12:26 AM

If you want to know why I travel so frequently alone-my husband in is in Iraq on his third tour.

Catie96706 on August 11, 2006 at 7:17 PM

Catie96706…. God Bless you and your family.

R D on August 12, 2006 at 12:41 AM

Savage, you are one thickheaded piece of work! Maybe this will work. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck. If you need a translation, …If it looks like a terrorist (muslim) walks like a terrorist (muslim) and most of all, if it walks by security, we’re stupid.

R D on August 12, 2006 at 12:58 AM

Savage has some good points. We can not argue these points when it comes to AIR travel. Anyone can become an AQ/extremist/fascist pawn. It may be a poor elderly woman who can’t afford her rent, or a kid who needs a fix of drugs. They can all be manipulated to commit suicidal acts.

My point is racial profiling needs to happen not only in our airports, but in our schools, our gas stations, our construction sites, our government centers, our neighborhoods, our street corners, our supermarkets, our walmarts, our hardware stores, our borders, even our own homes!!!!

So Savage may have a point about airports, but that is a fraction of the muslim fascist murderers that live with us day to day. So a middle eastern person may be your friend/neighbor/co-worker/mail-man but do not drop your guard, always profile people of middle eastern descent as negative in order to ensure yourself and your families survival. Do not trust the middle eastern civilian period. Tolerate them as productive citizens but do not commit 100% trust, always be speculative, always.

strictor on August 12, 2006 at 1:04 AM

Okay, the tags should be off now.

One thing to consider with this Asian/Arab thing-most Muslims are NOT Arabs. Actual Arabs are a minority-but no matter their race, they are all against us.
On another site I equated Liberals who continue to bash our President and our war effort to Welfare recipients. They will enjoy the benefits of our strong defense (a very strong offense)without contributing anything to our national security. Complaining and attacking the war effort when we are in the midst of battle is not something to be proud of. But they don’t know how to feel ashamed.

Doug on August 12, 2006 at 1:15 AM

I guess not.

Doug on August 12, 2006 at 1:16 AM

Doug on August 12, 2006 at 1:16 AM

So just what is your point, strictor? I assume you were sarcastic.

Should we just sit back and do nothing, until our asses are in the air 5 times a day? (also note that is the position before getting your head chopped off) Or do you like the freedom that living in the USA gives you? Make your choice, I hate to say it, but it is comming.

R D on August 12, 2006 at 1:29 AM

I thought my point was clear. Savage continued to speak of Airports. I claim ok, in airports we need to screen everyone that breathes. But in our general everyday life, trust no single soul of middle eastern ethnicity. Friend or foe, they can never be a 100% friend, always use scrutiny.

As you would use with a stray dog, use caution when dealing with the middle eastern civilians. Racial profiling is absolutely necessary.

If you call me a racist, it more than likely means you are a terrorist.

strictor on August 12, 2006 at 1:45 AM

OK then…. We agree.

R D on August 12, 2006 at 2:47 AM

R D wrote:

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck.

But what if a duck doesn’t walk like a duck and doesn’t talk like a duck? I’ll use the example I used above. This is an example of what people expects Muslims to look like. This is a picture of one of the men who were going to be instrumenting the Holland Tunnel bombing just a few weeks ago. Looks like a regular young man who enjoyed wine, women and clubs – and that’s exactly what he was. But he was also a Muslim extremist who wanted to strike fear into the hearts of us all. But he doesn’t look like a Muslim, he doesn’t talk like a Muslim, he doesn’t even live his life like a Muslim. But he was still a Muslim and a terrorist. Whose fault would it be if men like him started slipping through the system because you want the government scanning for ethnic stereotypes?

As I wrote above:

in a perfect world, every single person would get screened before going in. This isn’t a war on a single race, it’s a war on a single mentality that is shared by a diverse variety of people.

So I think Strictor has a wise point in being unwilling to trust Middle Easterners anywhere. However, I’d take that philosophy one step further. Trust no one.

Savage on August 12, 2006 at 9:23 AM

WMD’s, YMM’s, YMM’s with WMD’s…. man. Don’t forget, there are some YMF’s in the bunch. These guys didn’t HAVE explosives. They were going to MAKE them once they got onboard.

Stay observant people. They [the bad guys] want us dead. They will take years to plot and plan and PRACTICE to see what they can and cannt get away with. Keep doing what we’re doing and step it up a notch, it can’t hurt. We busted this bunch becuase of the immediate actions put in place by the current administration after the intial sucker punch of 9/11. Give the administration credit where its due AND the others from the other side of the isle who put partison politics aside for the good of the people. [and our allies] Its obviously working, and we must never deviate. It just makes me so sick that a group of human beings I have never met want me dead.

johnnyU on August 12, 2006 at 9:53 AM

AA + YMM + H* = WMDA
AA – YMM + H* = (0)WMDA
AA=American Airlines Flight
YMM=Young Muslim Male
H=Any Human other than a Young Muslim Male
WMDA= Weapons of Mass destruction Alert

*H can change to the appearance of new data but as of the present date is fully functional.

I think I’ve been watching “Numb3rs” too much

Drtuddle on August 12, 2006 at 10:48 AM

Savage, at least screen all of the ducks along with the other species.

R D on August 12, 2006 at 2:01 PM

Amen RD! My neighbor and her elderly mother just came back from the Mainland on Tuesday and she was telling me her mother got pulled aside for “extra screening” and was also shot with the air thing like I was in Dallas. They were coming through LAX though but she said her mother was upset when four YMM went through and she got stopped.
Johnny U you’re right as well. You always have to stay on guard. Everytime one of these things happen and their neighbors are interviewed they always say things like “He wouldn’t hurt a fly, He loved children, She loved children and was a good mother”.

Catie96706 on August 12, 2006 at 2:24 PM

I have read no comments yet, nor do I need to. I am red with anger. The left thinks that the the latest foiled terrorist attempt is just a political stunt by BushitlerchimpychenyhallaburtonwhateverthelatestRoviantactictogain politicalgroundis. Sorry for making your eyes go crosswards.
But look at this, if you dare.http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/10/202316/251 (Warning, link can induce projectile vomiting)

I do not understand how a hatred of a sitting president and his entire staff can spill over into an abject rejection of reality. Hell, I am not a big fan of Bush, and my respect for Condi has deteriorated alot lately. But does that make me a fan of those that would enslave our women and kill anyone who does not want to convert to Islamic rule? Or those that would bend over for the same to have their way?

I am starting to think the world is going insane. I had hope for it at one time, but my hope has lost steam fast. Between the right moveing fast to the left, and the left moveing fast to insanity, and the world moveing fast to unreality and ultimate selfdistruction, I am moveing fast to drinking myself to oblivion.

MalkinFan on August 12, 2006 at 9:19 PM

You guys NEED to hear this, one of my favorate women on the internet interviews John Bolten. And she asks the hard questions. This is one of the longest interviews of John Bolten I have ever heard, and one of the most hardist.

I do not know how to link to direct stuff on other ppls site, so look for yourselves. She is intense,. and can easly post past her front page in a matter of hours. Heh. you shoulda heard her on the day she salled into Rush’s radio program, LOL

Anyway, hear is the kink to her site, her interview of Bolten is very long, and very good.

MalkinFan on August 12, 2006 at 9:55 PM

Opps, forgot the link to her site
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/

MalkinFan on August 12, 2006 at 9:56 PM

MUSLIMS and ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGON, IT’s A GOVERNMENT. A FORIEGN GOVERNMENT THAT WE SHOULD BAN FROM AMERICA.

shooter on August 11, 2006 at 11:00 PM

Daniel Pipes made a good argument in an interview done two years ago that is amazingly on target:

Pipes:

Militant Islam cannot be compared to any segment of Christianity, Judaism, or Hinduism. These religions do not embody groups with totalitarian utopian ideologies that seek world hegemony. In fact, militant Islam resembles fascism and communism more than any religious movement.


I am weary of the red herring that the 911 hijackers frequented topless bars and caroused implying they blended in. The hijackers were instructed to ‘act’ like a typical corrupt Americam. shave their beards, wear dockers. Inside their apartment, they covered the offensive picture of a female with a cloth.

Did they blend in? One of these ‘blendies’ went to a hospital ER with an apparent anthrax lesion. I lived in Dearborn during 911. I can tell you that persons looking like these men, in dockers, carousing would raise flags to me. When they play this game they are not good at it.

I watched someone like these men, living outside of marriage with a causcasian female on my street, attache american flags to the bed of his truck during 911. Suspicious? Atypical for these folk. More suspect however: when his ‘girlfriend’ in tight jeans jumped and hugged him, he stood rigid and disgusted. Later, when the anti-profiling crowd started their spin. the U.S. flags were replaced with one Islamic banner.

I paid special attention to this person while I lived there. Some of today’s posters would go out of their way to pay equal attention to the other neighbors. I have one and only one goal, survival or my nation, my culture, and myself.

I will not play a game to prove a point.

entagor on August 13, 2006 at 12:29 PM

SOrry I messed up the link

entagor on August 13, 2006 at 12:30 PM

Dr. Jasser’s excellent article voices precisely my sentiments on Isamism.

Islamism is manifested today by any Islamic militants which revolt against regimes in power throughout the Muslim world and exacerbate political conflicts everywhere.

Their jihad, which I know to be an unholy war, is aimed at establishing a global Islamic state based solely on strict interpretation of the Koran (sharia). The political ideology of Islamism is bent on destroying any state, government or people which is not based on their utopian view of Islamic political power and control.

The Muslim Brotherhood used a slogan that is still current in the Islamist movement: “The Koran is our constitution.” Gilles Kepel, Professor of Middle East Studies at the Institute for Political Studies in Paris, wries in his book, Jihad: The Trail of Political Islam, the following

Islam, for the Brothers, was a complete and total system, and there was no need to go looking for European [or American] values as a basis for social order. Everything was made clear in the Koran, whose moral principles, the Brothers claimed, were universal. This doctrine was shared by the entire Islamist movement, whatever their other views. All agreed that the solution to the political problems facing Muslims lay in the setting up of an Islamic state that would implement the law of the sacred texts of Islam-the sharia-as the caliph had done in the past.

ldspatriot on August 13, 2006 at 2:18 PM

Here, fixed.

Mazeman on August 13, 2006 at 4:37 PM

Also fixing the italics. :)

Dave Shay on August 13, 2006 at 7:43 PM