Comments on: Qana: Where were the men? http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/01/qana-where-were-the-men/ The world’s first, full-service conservative Internet broadcast network Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:52:27 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Patterico’s Pontifications » Qana Questions http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/01/qana-where-were-the-men/comment-page-1/#comment-33945 Patterico’s Pontifications » Qana Questions Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:53:08 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/the-blog/2006/08/01/qana-where-were-the-men/#comment-33945 [...] Allah asks: where were the men? [...] [...] Allah asks: where were the men? [...]

]]> By: Entelechy http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/01/qana-where-were-the-men/comment-page-1/#comment-33755 Entelechy Wed, 02 Aug 2006 02:45:57 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/the-blog/2006/08/01/qana-where-were-the-men/#comment-33755 dallas94, thank you - you said it in such a crystal clear way; consider sending to all the editing rooms of the media biggies in the country, in the world. They should be faced with your bottom-line question, over and over, and made to decide, on camera. dallas94, thank you – you said it in such a crystal clear way; consider sending to all the editing rooms of the media biggies in the country, in the world. They should be faced with your bottom-line question, over and over, and made to decide, on camera.

]]> By: Wizbang http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/01/qana-where-were-the-men/comment-page-1/#comment-33533 Wizbang Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:22:50 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/the-blog/2006/08/01/qana-where-were-the-men/#comment-33533 <strong>Lebanese Website: Hezbollah Responsible for Qana Deaths...</strong> Updated YNetNews is reporting that a Lebanese website is accusing Hezbollah of killing the children in the house in Qana in order to destroy the Lebanese president's plan which would call for the disarming of Hezbollah: Is Hizbullah behind the...... Lebanese Website: Hezbollah Responsible for Qana Deaths…

Updated YNetNews is reporting that a Lebanese website is accusing Hezbollah of killing the children in the house in Qana in order to destroy the Lebanese president’s plan which would call for the disarming of Hezbollah: Is Hizbullah behind the……

]]> By: Kralizec http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/01/qana-where-were-the-men/comment-page-1/#comment-33527 Kralizec Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:04:28 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/the-blog/2006/08/01/qana-where-were-the-men/#comment-33527 It's long been to the point that one can't see the war for the propagandists. As long as it's that bad, propaganda is the most important part of a war, because of its influence on the superpower. Everything connected to propaganda in the war against Islam should be preserved, catalogued, organized, and made available online in such a way that it can't be overcome by distributed denial of service, vandalism, or any such thing. A counterpropaganda site ought best to have a blog-like front page that maintains interest with continual updates. The blog front page should self-promote in terms of constantly drawing connections between the fraud <i>du jour</i> and the evidence and analyses of previous instances and campaigns of propaganda. I can imagine a propaganda-wiki--necessarily with restricted editorship--with pages on * particular news organizations * individual reporters * individual photographers * particular events (<em>eg</em>, such as Qana 2006) * particular reports (<em>eg</em>, each deceptive report of Qana) * particular photographs and photo sets * "expert" interview subjects * handlers, especially recurrent ones (<em>eg</em>, "Orange Vest Guy" in 1996, 2006) * the propaganda organizations of particular enemies * each general technique of propagandistic deception * the sources from which propagandists have learned their techniques * techniques of detecting instances of propagandistic deception, according to kind This would be a MEMRI-class undertaking (just to take one example). It could rely greatly on volunteer effort of the sort we already see active in the case of Qana, but it would probably do its best work with some paid staff, <i>legal counsel</i>, <i>insurance</i>, and perhaps means of maintaining secure anonymity. It’s long been to the point that one can’t see the war for the propagandists. As long as it’s that bad, propaganda is the most important part of a war, because of its influence on the superpower. Everything connected to propaganda in the war against Islam should be preserved, catalogued, organized, and made available online in such a way that it can’t be overcome by distributed denial of service, vandalism, or any such thing.

A counterpropaganda site ought best to have a blog-like front page that maintains interest with continual updates. The blog front page should self-promote in terms of constantly drawing connections between the fraud du jour and the evidence and analyses of previous instances and campaigns of propaganda.

I can imagine a propaganda-wiki–necessarily with restricted editorship–with pages on

* particular news organizations
* individual reporters
* individual photographers
* particular events (eg, such as Qana 2006)
* particular reports (eg, each deceptive report of Qana)
* particular photographs and photo sets
* “expert” interview subjects
* handlers, especially recurrent ones (eg, “Orange Vest Guy” in 1996, 2006)
* the propaganda organizations of particular enemies
* each general technique of propagandistic deception
* the sources from which propagandists have learned their techniques
* techniques of detecting instances of propagandistic deception, according to kind

This would be a MEMRI-class undertaking (just to take one example). It could rely greatly on volunteer effort of the sort we already see active in the case of Qana, but it would probably do its best work with some paid staff, legal counsel, insurance, and perhaps means of maintaining secure anonymity.

]]> By: dallas94 http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/01/qana-where-were-the-men/comment-page-1/#comment-33512 dallas94 Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:37:08 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/the-blog/2006/08/01/qana-where-were-the-men/#comment-33512 Any religion or religious leader that would remotely give support to a strategy that allows innocent children to be targets, is not a religion. These muslim facists are simply PIGS. They deserve no respect or mercy. They simply need to be wiped off the face of the earth. A message to the MSM, if you even utter the words "freedom fighters, resistance or insurgents", you too are simply PIGS and have no moral grounding. You should also then be wiped off the face of the earth. It is time to make a choice. Do you support freedom or oppression, democracy or dictators, morality or indescriminant killing. CNN, BBC, NY Times, it is time to step up to the plate and make a decision that does not involve Bush, Money or your own agenda. Which is it? Speak Up? Ask yourself..What would Edward R. Murrow do? ( I know I can't ask you what would jesus do?) But this is about the kind of world your grandchildren will live in. Do you want your legacy to be one that supported oppression? Do you REALLY believe that the US is the worst country in the world? Make a choice---Western Democracy or Islama-facism? <strong>WHERE DO YOU STAND?</strong> Any religion or religious leader that would remotely give support to a strategy that allows innocent children to be targets, is not a religion. These muslim facists are simply PIGS. They deserve no respect or mercy. They simply need to be wiped off the face of the earth.

A message to the MSM, if you even utter the words “freedom fighters, resistance or insurgents”, you too are simply PIGS and have no moral grounding. You should also then be wiped off the face of the earth.

It is time to make a choice. Do you support freedom or oppression, democracy or dictators, morality or indescriminant killing. CNN, BBC, NY Times, it is time to step up to the plate and make a decision that does not involve Bush, Money or your own agenda. Which is it? Speak Up? Ask yourself..What would Edward R. Murrow do? ( I know I can’t ask you what would jesus do?)

But this is about the kind of world your grandchildren will live in. Do you want your legacy to be one that supported oppression? Do you REALLY believe that the US is the worst country in the world? Make a choice—Western Democracy or Islama-facism?

WHERE DO YOU STAND?

]]> By: shooter http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/01/qana-where-were-the-men/comment-page-1/#comment-33506 shooter Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:11:48 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/the-blog/2006/08/01/qana-where-were-the-men/#comment-33506 Like Gillerman said last night.Qana, Its a total set up.. all of it. Like Gillerman said last night.Qana, Its a total set up.. all of it.

]]> By: Old War Dogs http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/01/qana-where-were-the-men/comment-page-1/#comment-33480 Old War Dogs Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:40:26 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/the-blog/2006/08/01/qana-where-were-the-men/#comment-33480 <strong>Today's Vent: What Happened In Qana?...</strong> DO. NOT. miss it. Related: John Podheretz: It's Another Hezbollah Atrocity (H/T: MM) *** Where Were the Men? (H/T: Bryan Preston)... Today’s Vent: What Happened In Qana?…

DO. NOT. miss it. Related: John Podheretz: It’s Another Hezbollah Atrocity (H/T: MM) *** Where Were the Men? (H/T: Bryan Preston)…

]]> By: Entelechy http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/01/qana-where-were-the-men/comment-page-1/#comment-33456 Entelechy Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:17:54 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/the-blog/2006/08/01/qana-where-were-the-men/#comment-33456 When he met in the last 2 days with Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez made the case for the entire world that the terrorists are not soldiers. He used a twisted argument, that the U.S. and Israel don't have the courage to fight armies and soldiers (he even claimed that he is a soldier). The media and us should take him, and his compadres, up on the offer. Real men fight against other real men, in uniforms, following the Geneva convention, and don't hide amongst women, children, the elderly and the disabled. When he met in the last 2 days with Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez made the case for the entire world that the terrorists are not soldiers. He used a twisted argument, that the U.S. and Israel don’t have the courage to fight armies and soldiers (he even claimed that he is a soldier).

The media and us should take him, and his compadres, up on the offer. Real men fight against other real men, in uniforms, following the Geneva convention, and don’t hide amongst women, children, the elderly and the disabled.

]]> By: Kid from Brooklyn http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/01/qana-where-were-the-men/comment-page-1/#comment-33416 Kid from Brooklyn Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:43:24 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/the-blog/2006/08/01/qana-where-were-the-men/#comment-33416 Qana's so-called men were at the morgue, collecting babies for the Western media display. Qana’s so-called men were at the morgue, collecting babies for the Western media display.

]]> By: Dread Pirate Roberts VI http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/01/qana-where-were-the-men/comment-page-1/#comment-33402 Dread Pirate Roberts VI Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:23:24 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/the-blog/2006/08/01/qana-where-were-the-men/#comment-33402 HERE THEY ARE: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3284514,00.html HERE THEY ARE:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3284514,00.html

]]> By: thirteen28 http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/01/qana-where-were-the-men/comment-page-1/#comment-33400 thirteen28 Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:21:48 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/the-blog/2006/08/01/qana-where-were-the-men/#comment-33400 Well, to use the term <em>men</em> very loosely. I have a hard time thinking of them as actual men when they hide behind women and children instead of coming out for a fair fight. Hell, <em>even the French </em>would have enough decency to simply surrender instead of deliberately putting women and children in harms way just to score propaganda points. Well, to use the term men very loosely. I have a hard time thinking of them as actual men when they hide behind women and children instead of coming out for a fair fight.

Hell, even the French would have enough decency to simply surrender instead of deliberately putting women and children in harms way just to score propaganda points.

]]> By: JammieWearingFool http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/01/qana-where-were-the-men/comment-page-1/#comment-33396 JammieWearingFool Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:17:53 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/the-blog/2006/08/01/qana-where-were-the-men/#comment-33396 The men were a) making bombs, b) detonating bombs, or c) getting bombed. The men were a) making bombs, b) detonating bombs, or c) getting bombed.

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