Qana: The photographic evidence (Update: Bodies from Tyre?)

posted at 3:12 pm on July 31, 2006 by Allahpundit

Bob Owens sifts.

I worry about letting my bias blind me to the facts here. As with Haditha, no one on the right wants to believe what happened at Qana happened the way the media says it did. But … it might have. People who can’t face uncomfortable truths tend to end up in dark places.

Bob does make some verrry interesting points, though. I think there might be an innocent explanation: according to the IAF, the airstrike came at 1 a.m. and the structure fell eight hours later. Assuming the kids were killed in the attack and their bodies were removed before the building collapsed, that would account for why they weren’t crushed or covered with dust and why rigor mortis had set in by the time the media got there.

But in that case, why didn’t the airstrike do any damage to the bodies? Would the shockwave generated by the impact have caused fatal internal injuries? Any military people out there willing and able to shed light on this?

Speaking of photographic evidence, posters — posters — of the victims’ corpses are popping up across the border in Jordan. Here’s how you run a propaganda operation:

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Meanwhile, it sounds like Olmert’s finally had it with the crocodile tears. Even Israelis must have a breaking point when it comes to this horrifically cynical, pretextual faux-outrage, especially when it’s as often based on lies as not. Besides, like the boss says, “There’s always something burning with the jihadi members of the Religion of Perpetual Outrage.” They’re going to riot and torch embassies whether it’s Qana or cartoons, and Israel’s going to be blamed no matter what, so why not ignore them and keep the heat on Hezbollah?

And that’s just what they’re going to do.

As for those “dark places” I mentioned earlier: they’re not quite as dark as they used to be thanks to C-SPAN, which is airing a lecture on 9/11 “Truth” tomorrow night. When does the panel on Holocaust revisionism air?

Update: Self-parody, straight no chaser.

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Update: Amazing death porn from CNN. Indistinguishable from a Robert Fisk column, particularly in its assessment of culpability:

Coffin No. 104 has three names on it – Ali, Mohammed and Talib – all children. Nearby, Fatawi Horani is screaming and crying. Her granddaughter Marim, 15, was killed, she says, while trying to flee the fighting.

Three soldiers begin to struggle with a large body bag. Maggots are pouring from the bag – blood is seeping onto the ground. When they get the body into the coffin, the lid arches as doctors hammer nails into it.

Children are beginning to gather. It is images such as these that pass down a hatred of Israel to another generation.

Sit there and take it, Jew. Fighting back only makes it worse.

Update: Bob said he thought some of the bodies might have come from Tyre. Dan Riehl notes a discrepancy in the count and thinks he might be onto something.


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Allah, you did catch that the pacifier was added after the first hour or more of photos, right?

Palliwood Drama at it’s finest.

And for what it is worth, every media report I’ve read says Hezbollah did not start digging to recover bodies from the collapsed building until after the media arrived.

In retrospect, thogh I didn’t mention it in my post, it also seems odd that they were so quickly and easily able to locate the bodies once they started excavating. The photo I found of the four bodies was already on the wires at 9:06 AM.

It’s like they knew exactly where to go…

Bob Owens on July 31, 2006 at 3:27 PM

No question that the presentation of the bodies was staged. What I want to know, though, is what killed them. Was it the airstrike? The collapse? Or the detonation, accidental or intentional, of Hezbollah explosives?

Allahpundit on July 31, 2006 at 3:30 PM

This is looking like a redux of the whole ‘Baby Milk Factory’ story in the first Gulf War, fresh with media dupes to forward the misinformation.

thirteen28 on July 31, 2006 at 3:38 PM

What pisses me off is that the MSM takes everything from the Jihadis as confirmed fact, and everything from our side as total lies. Not nailing the press for treason is really starting to hurt the war on terror.

Iblis on July 31, 2006 at 3:43 PM

Invite the devil in and pay the price.

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on July 31, 2006 at 3:43 PM

I’m trying to look at this as logically as I can.

Could it be an Israeli air strike? The strike that hit this building did so between midnight and 1:00 AM local time. The building did not collapse for another seven hours.

I cannot think of a bomb in the Israeli inventory that would cause fires to burn this long, and if there was such a fire, both the bodies and the rescuers would be covered in black soot, not to mention the missing dust.

Nor do any of the victims, not a single one, show signs of the two most common causes of death in a building collapse, crush injuries and asphyxiation.

Not one of these children show any signs at all of crush injuries, or for that matter, injuries at all. In the extremely odd circumstance that all 56 people did die of asphyxiation, what are the odds that all 56 were asleep the entire time? Why has Hezbollah failed to produce a single corpse with bloodly fingers or a panicked face as we would expect form those buried alive? Why are their not streaks of tears on scared faces, no looks of horror?

Logic would seem to dictate one of two possible scenarios, one more likely than another.

The first scenario is that an Israel bomb hit this building and the building fell, and the victims all asphyxiated without waking up, despite a bomb blast and the building collapse seven hours later. I find that highly unlikely.

The next most likely scenario is that after the strike, Hezbollah noted a chance to wage a PR war and raided the overflowing morgue at nearby Tyre. With seven hours to work with, they could easily get back and put the bodies in a shallow hole or near the building (remember, the media were never allowed to even get close to the building, and have only Hezbollah’s word that these children were dug out).

The lack of dust and apparent rigor mortis makes me think that this was most likely faked, but it is just my opinion at this time.

Bob Owens on July 31, 2006 at 3:59 PM

I have very little doubt that your scenario two is as close to the truth as we will get without actual hard evidence. Man it would sure be nice to have some NON lamestream midiots in the area who managed to cover the situation with video of the actual “excavation” — or better yet, some sort of video of what happened during those seven hours. Ideally in both low-light imagery and infrared. It would sure be telling to see some adult-sized heat sources moving into the building carrying child-sized bundles on the low-light without any internal heat to see them with on the infrared, now wouldn’t it? Maybe Olmert needs to buy a few predator drones (or whatever we would actually sell) and start having them record the next few hours after a strike…

And has anybody noticed that the conspiracy-mongers are quite silent about the seven/eight hour gap? I mean, the twin towers fell in, what, two/three hours? This is at least twice as long, maybe four times as long. Surely long enough to rig a controlled demolition (or even just an extra charge or two to finish the building off)… where are the cries of “conspiracy!!!”??

chirp chirp chirp.

RH

RobertHuntingdon on July 31, 2006 at 4:18 PM

In the end, sorry to say, it doesn’t really matter what the truth is. The entire Middle East, MSM, the Western Left and most of the rest of the world will blame Israel no matter what the real story is. Even if Owens hypothesis of the bodies being secreted over from the Tyre morgue is correct and shown without a doubt, you could still blame Israel for people dying in Tyre. Meaning this would fall under the “fake but accurate” meme.

Clark1 on July 31, 2006 at 4:27 PM

It’s great news that Israel has no intention for a cease fire.

Question: Is there ethically any difference between what Hitler did to whip up anti-Semitism in the 1930′s and what the MSM (such as the picture on the Independent’s front page) is doing? I don’t see any difference. The MSM is trying to inflame sentiment against the Jews in Israel so that the public will support a people (Hezbollah) that would be perfectly content to commit genocide.

januarius on July 31, 2006 at 4:32 PM

You know what? Screw em. I don’t care what the MSM does. The muslims want to cry when they start losing a fight they started, good. Maybe if we weren’t so concerned about our enemies civilians, those civilians would start desiring leadership that didn’t get them killed.
I’d love to see the Israelis take a page from the Chicoms, and send bills for the bombs to the dead jihadis families.

Iblis on July 31, 2006 at 4:46 PM

The next most likely scenario is that after the strike, Hezbollah noted a chance to wage a PR war and raided the overflowing morgue at nearby Tyre. With seven hours to work with, they could easily get back and put the bodies in a shallow hole or near the building (remember, the media were never allowed to even get close to the building, and have only Hezbollah’s word that these children were dug out).

They could also have moved the bodies into the damaged structure and then finished the demolition themselves. 7 hours is a lot of time, and they’ve certainly got the explosives.

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Reality Check on July 31, 2006 at 5:13 PM

I’d like to believe these deaths weren’t the result of Israel’s strike, but what are the chances a nearby morgue would have so many children’s bodies? How did the children die if not in the building?

mikeyboss on July 31, 2006 at 5:22 PM

OK, Bob. I just read your article, mentioning the bodies might have resulted from recent fighting. Now it makes sense.

mikeyboss on July 31, 2006 at 5:25 PM

Wag The Dog, Hezbollah style. I have no doubt they are emboldened by the fact that media outlets regularly keep their yaps shut about things like Saddams torture chambers, the location of OBL, and the names of the spies leaking top secret security information in the USA.

The disinformation is so thick I cannot even make a decent guess with the slanted information garnered by the liberal media.

The MSM would be having fits if American armed forces made them to report in this manner.

DannoJyd on July 31, 2006 at 5:53 PM

AN even more in depth analysis of the photos (and especially the people in them) is HERE

and more HERE

Caution: many of the images will be very disturbing to many people.

Apparently some of those have a history of parading childrens bodies around before cameras.

LegendHasIt on July 31, 2006 at 6:40 PM

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LegendHasIt on July 31, 2006 at 6:52 PM

Where is the world’s outrage that hizballah uses civilians as shields? which is a war crime by the way..how many leaflets did the IDF drop on this village telling the civilians to leave? Does hizballah send leaflets before they send rockets? no…..I am sorry that children are dead but who left them there. and shame on cnn and other media outlets for being used for propangada by hezballah…

robo on July 31, 2006 at 7:06 PM

What is strange is the overload of fake information and fake outrage from the Middle East.

Despite the ratings numbers for news programs, I am finding a lot of people tuning out. I mentioned the missile strikes in Israel and some people respond: are they fighting? People who used to read headlines are tuning out.

I can’t tell if this negative overload is creating an anti-Israel mood. Like the recent ‘Imagine a World without Israel’ aricle, is bad propaganda working simply to make people so sick of the play they wish to shoot the actor and end it all?

I know I am getting tired of the eternally angry islamist.

entagor on August 1, 2006 at 2:36 AM

Rule 1: MSM always hyperventilates and exaggerates. Always. Especially on breaking “news.”

Rule 2: MSM serves an agenda. They will openly lie if it serves their agenda and if they think they can get away with it.

Rule 3: I’m starting to think that maybe Ann Coulter has a point about the NYTimes. God help me for having such terrible thoughts about domestic terrorism.

Most people are unaware that in WWII, FDR imposed strict censorship of war news or domestic news that could affect the war.

There were good and solid reasons for this, as FDR *KNEW* that uncensored news of the war would result in America losing heart because the media would naturally undercut morale and the war effort. He had the historical record, particularly the Civil War coverage, as an example.

So starting shortly after Pearl Harbor, the President ordered strict censorship about the war, especially concerning casualties during combat operations. It worked. And after the war was wib, the censorship was abolished.

In Vietnam, the government imposed no censorship and we ended up with “Uncle Walter” Cronkite lying about the ’68 Tet offensive, calling it a victory for the communists when in fact it was their biggest single defeat. That’s not my ignorant opinion, BTW, that was Gen. Giap’s.

In Desert Storm, we imposed no censorship and we ended up with Dan Rather (another See-BS employee) interviewing the enemy (Saddam) who, in a propaganda stunt worthy of Joseph Goebbels, predicted defeat for the US’s airwar, giving ammo to liberal Democrats against the war in 1991.

In 2003′s invasion of Iraq, again no censorship (and again Rather became Saddam’s propaganda enabler), and even though we allowed embedded newmen with the troops, the media still slanted the news of the war against the USA every chance they got. If you remember, the invasion was only 1 week old and the leftist morons of the MSM were already calling it a “quagmire.”

And they are still at it. Most of what passes for “news” about Iraq, even now, is little more than a recitation of our KIAs, without context as to mission, whether the mission was a success, and how many of the enemy we killed or captured.

We are given the impression by the MSM, that the enemy is simply picking us off, one by one, and we are helpless to do anything about it — when in fact, the suppression of the insurgency, the reconstruction efforts, the political vigor of Iraq and the destruction of Al Qaeda (and it’s myth of “invincibility”) are success stories that are simply suppressed and ignored.

As an example, the recent announcement by 2 Senators and the DOD that ~500 WMD had been found in Iraqi weapon dumps since the invasion was almost completely spiked and suppressed by the MSM. Imagine that, the most important political story of the decade — the VINDICATION of the President that he was RIGHT about Iraq’s WMD — was not “newsworthy.”

And they are doing it again in covering the war started by Hizbollah.

Qana is just the most recent example of how the media carries the enemy’s water through slanted, biased coverage.

Ernie Pyle, America’s best-known WWII correspondent, said “every reporter is a citizen of somewhere and a believer in something.”

It has become a truism that modern American reporters believe that America and her allies should alway lose whatever war we are fighting at the time, and that terrorists and their cause should always prevail.

My 2 cents.

georgej on August 1, 2006 at 4:52 AM

georgej

Well said! Great post.

techno_barbarian on August 1, 2006 at 8:58 AM

Good points georgej.

Don’t forget Beslan. This is the Russian school which was taken over by islamic terrorist and all those children died. In that case the MSM bent over backwards to avoid calling them ‘terrorists’ using such terms as ‘hostage-takers’ ‘gangsters’ etc… And they never-ever-ever mentioned that the ‘hostage-takers’ were, to a person, Muslims or that some of them wore suicide belts. They also went out of their way to avoid even mentioning the gang-rapes of children and (excuse me) bayonetted babies.

The same way they avoid mentioning hizbollah’s use of human shields, firing from civilian areas, use of illegal combatants (no uniforms or badges to clearly identify them) or pallywood-style staged events.

No, them MSM is *not* on our side. Personally I think they are knowing and willing enablers of the terrorists. What they are doing goes beyond simply ‘disagreeing’ with the Government. Just look at the actions of the New York Times.

CrazyFool on August 1, 2006 at 2:32 PM