Myth of the “lone” Muslim killer

posted at 9:56 am on July 31, 2006 by Bryan

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The Double Standard of Dhimmitude:

Breaking a window of a storefront mosque is considered a hate crime, but shooting up a Jewish center and killing innocent Jews in the name of Allah is not.

speed647 on July 31, 2006 at 10:22 AM

anyone else having problems playing the entire vent? It stops on me just at “on July 4th, 200…”

shooter on July 31, 2006 at 10:51 AM

Good Vent. The Local media here is Seattle is falling all over itself to slather sympathy on this low-life and call it everything but an ‘hate crime’. I think they are working themselves up to pin this all on Bush’es ‘failed foreign policies’.

However the FBI is, after all, pursuing this as a ‘hate crime’ – so there is some hope. But not an act of terrorism.

Here’s my defintion of terrorism:

Terrorism: The deliberate targetting of civilians in an effort to achieve a political goal by terrorizing your opponent.

This guy fits the bill to a ‘T’. You do not have to have an ‘organization’ to be a terrorist.

CrazyFool on July 31, 2006 at 11:06 AM

These are not lone wackos. They are the ones who take their faith seriously. Their faith tells them to kill Jews. Their faith tell them to commit acts of jihad against us. Once we realize that we are in a religious war, a war against western civilization we will see that we need to fight back. One step in the right direction would be to insist on honest reporting from the news media. I picture Jack Nicholson raging away, “You can’t handle the truth!” Once Michelle gets her own show we will see a shift in the direction of the reporting. GREAT VENT!

mkstach on July 31, 2006 at 11:09 AM

Pinheaded brain falling out liberal free thinkers have already all but ruined any chance of the world ever actually “winning” the war against Islamic terrorism.

Muslim terrorists and their supporters are being further emboldened by the display of ignorance in the West as fools choose sides, and choose for the terrorists, even if not necessarily choosing for their cause, carrying enemy flags and protesting their own Country.

It is just a matter of time now before the fate of Israel, innocent people killed by suicide terrorists and car bombings, begins to be acted out here in the United States. When it happens, not if but when, these same ignorant liberal fools will blame the right for not capitulating to Islam in Iraq, Lebanon, and elsewhere, and will then set out to attempt to determine ways(probably monitarily to start) to make the devils “like us”. That will further fund, and embolden them, and will seal the fate of the free world. Nothing short of a new full scale “Crusade” on radical Islam, and the moderate Muslims that support it by funds or inactions, can even hope to stop it then.

But just go have a look at what the pinheads think on the DU, nothing there for thread titles but hatred for America, hatred for Israel, and hatred for Christians.

NRA4Freedom on July 31, 2006 at 11:15 AM

Well, at least the Muslim community is speaking out forcefully against jihadists like this ….

(more crickets chirping)

If there ever is a backlash where Muslims are victims of similar crimes, I will show all the outrage towards their attackers as they do when one of their own attacks innocents.

thirteen28 on July 31, 2006 at 11:19 AM

To the list of “Myth of the “lone” Muslim shooter”
(in the USA) kindly add Ariel Sellouck was a victim of Saudi national, Mohammed Ali Alayed. . . as yet another craven example of the outrageous state of denial that dominates the public discourse today about radical Islam and ‘spiritual’ struggle known as ‘jihad‘. . .SPIT!

Jihad Watch: Jihad in Houston?

Jihad Watch: Spencer: Terror Denial

Here are a couple pertinent verses from the Quran:

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… when you meet the unbelievers, strike off their heads; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives (47:4)

… I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. (8:12)

The story . . .

Ariel Sellouk failed to open his father’s beauty salon on Wednesday morning, Aug. 6, and was nowhere to be found. By noon his father, Michel, had called all the hospitals, and even the jail, without a clue as to Ariel’s whereabouts. All he knew was that Ariel had not shown up at his girlfriend’s apartment, as planned.

Knowing that his son sometimes played darts and chess at a certain pub on Fountain View, the elder Sellouk went there to seek information. What he discovered was Ariel’s abandoned automobile. Through a series of telephone calls, he obtained the address of one Mohammed Ali Alayed, with whom the Jewish young man had been seen.

Finding a Channel 13 business card at Alayed’s 2520 Winrock St. apartment, Michel called the television station. Someone said there had been a fight and that police had been called.

The next stop was the Reisner St. police station, where Michel was told that Alayed had not been arrested, but that he had previous arrests. At another police station, it was said that Alayed had been arrested but Sellouk could not be told the charges. Then he was directed to file a missing person’s report. It was at that bureau that he saw his son’s name listed in the morgue.

According to Michel Sellouk, 25 hours had elapsed, but still no one had the courtesy or compassion to inform him of his son’s murder. Clearly, identification had been made. He found out that Ariel’s business card and his driver’s license (with his and his father’s address) were on his body. It was through sheer anxiety and persistence that the father even learned of his son’s death.

It wasn’t until 9:30 p.m. on Saturday, Aug. 9, that the Harris County Medical Examiner called to ask for the murdered young man’s next-of-kin. That was the only notification the bereaved father was given. To make matters worse, he was not permitted to see or identify his son because, he was told, Ariel had been identified in the morgue by his driver’s license.

Alayed’s roommate, who called 911, told authorities he had never seen Ariel Sellouk before. The roommate witnessed the slaying which, he said, happened without a fight, argument or warning. Ariel’s throat was slashed so violently that he was nearly decapitated. The roommate added that 23-year-old Alayed said he was going back to Saudi Arabia.

Mohammed Ali Alayed had a record of selling drugs and failing to show up for his date in court. Since that time, he had become very religious.

Michel Sellouk learned that Alayed’s student visa had expired and that he worked for cash, sometimes as an automobile valet. He is described as 6’2” tall with a muscular build, weighing approximately 185-200 pounds. He has dark brown eyes and black hair. The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) is pursuring the case as a possible hate crime.

heroyalwhyness on July 31, 2006 at 11:48 AM

Hiding behind a child? Typical cowards. The local station here in the Tri Cities did call it a hate crime at first, but are now also tripping over themselves to let it be known that he was not part of a terrorist group.

StephC on July 31, 2006 at 12:01 PM

Speaking the truth as normal Michelle

as of late the concept of a hate crime seems to ignore muslims and arabs who shoot at Jews in any shape or form to ensure the police aren’t ‘racist’ in their pursuit.

Unbelieveably pathetic.

Defector01 on July 31, 2006 at 12:07 PM

Another isolated incident
And the leftys complain the FBI didn’t connect the dots on 911?
The Jews, and our kids in Iraq, are just the canarys in the mine. Unfortunately our anger will only be re-kindled by the next 911 horrors and then the US blowback will be massive.

Reality Check on July 31, 2006 at 12:24 PM

Shooting women in the stomachs..perhaps to prevent them from continuing the “crusader”,”infidel” race? How BARBARIC CAN YOU GET???!!!
Oh wait..nevermind..we already know. VERY barbaric indeed.

labwrs on July 31, 2006 at 1:33 PM

“It says something about the morality and respect for human life of Hezbollah that they would use innocent civilians as shields; that’s just something that for civilized people is not acceptable,” Bolton said.

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This is just as the Lebanon situation.

If you are a civilized people or political organization, you are peaceful, yet you get unjustly treated – then you might be in a situation similar to, say, South Africa under Apartheid. If you speak out (use your words) with rhetoric you might gain some ground. If you create terror and hide behind civilians you are barbaric.

I think the problem with much of the Arab and Muslim communities is the disdain and disrepect for women in concert with corrupt political leadership. Can the Leaders and respect the women… easy, no?

ar_basin on July 31, 2006 at 2:04 PM

I want to see a cartoon showing the Prophet of the Religion of Peace hiding behind women and children launching rockets. Think the NYT will publish it?

kmcguire on July 31, 2006 at 2:08 PM

Keep it up, Michelle. The MSM sure won’t.

pubscout on July 31, 2006 at 2:11 PM

A couple observations about this jihadi’s pictures:

He looks much older than his stated age, both in the yearbook picture and the courtroom photo. It’s not just the moustache; his face looks older than 18.

In the courtroom photo he is sporting the same martyrdom ‘do’ that the UNC lone operator had. It’s all a coincidence, though.

fluffy on July 31, 2006 at 3:26 PM

I keep hearing that there are many wonderful Muslims. Today on the radio I have heard this many times. I do believe there are wonderful muslims. One Question though. WHERE THE HELL ARE THE GOOD MUSLIMS? If I belonged to a small-ish group that had very bad apples, murderous, hateful apples, and they were receiving all of the bad news, I would stand up to say AND to do something against the bad apples. There are some groups that make an effort to show their good side, i.e. ‘you dont speak for me’, as the LEGAL immigrants are voicing. There are others as well, many others throughout history.
Approximately 10 MILLION muslims reside in the US, much more than a small group, yet I dont hear anything from these ‘good muslims’. They don’t seem to be condemning the recurring muslim homicide/suicide bombers and killers here in the US, or muslim terrorist killings anywhere in the world.
I’m starting to believe the good muslims are a very small minority of this group and that most muslims actually endorse and believe in the killing of Jews, Christians and all infidels.
What is the truth? If I dont hear differently, what else should or could I believe. If the muslims wont help stop the terror, then they are for the terror.
You’re either with us, or against us !!!

shooter on July 31, 2006 at 4:12 PM

My question is…so what if he is alone? Is he not spouting the same garbage as all the rest of these fools? As the ose that brought down the towers? Executing our troops? If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck…

jcon96 on July 31, 2006 at 4:16 PM

Fabulous vent!! Let’s see, lone actors…. What do they have in common? Motive, religious background, ethnicity?

This has been seen before…. in Nazi Germany. All that need happen is that good men remain silent.

My question, is that what good men do?

skeeter on July 31, 2006 at 7:10 PM

To reach full blood boiling point on this story, just reverse the players and change the story a little; american citizen, tired of the hate spewing from the local mosque, locks and loads his m16 and opens up during Intro to Flag Burning 101; Alan Colmes would be offering to flip the switch when the local state supreme court brings back the electric chair just for this one guy…you’d have muslim riots across the planet if something like that happened…now let a jewish american do the above..oooh boy. Better break out the torches and pitchforks honey; we’re going out tonight. No, we just have another ‘lone’ nutbag. Yeah right.

On a lighter note, just watched the replay of O’reilly at 10..I noted on Michelle’s own blog that she was annoyed with the Bill…honestly, I had a really hard time focusing…it was the hair. I’m not sure if she’s ever worn it like that before but I was completely distracted with it this time. Michelle’s hair looked awesome. She actually had some good points on Qana, although she didn’t mention the possible hoax aspect as much as has been detailed here. Didn’t matter; Bill wasn’t having any of it…still..good presentation by Michelle. And great hair. :)

austinnelly on July 31, 2006 at 11:54 PM

Austin does raise the issue; ‘discriminating treatment’. If such continues, someone might get tired of muslim protectionism and torch a mosque in this country. Then we’ll see what the response is. (I am by no means advocating such; it’s just becoming the mood of some.)

Mike O on August 1, 2006 at 12:46 AM

If I hadn’t read this vent I would not have known the females were shot in the stomach.

Hate crime? No, this can’t be a hate crime. Saying the N-word is a hate crime. That will end your career and make you liable to getting beaten to a pulp if caught alone on a dark street.

Terrorism? From the Yahoo Dictionary, terrorism is:

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons

That dictionary has to be updated. Apparently now you need to be a registered member of a group with stated violent aims to qualify as a terrorist.

Let’s see. A Group that meets regularly, supports Hamas, Hezbullah, Death to Israel, issues fatwas, I mean directives declaring death to outsiders who do not share their politics. Do we have groups like that here?

entagor on August 1, 2006 at 1:31 AM

Addendum: Mel Gibson lucked out. He blasted Jews in his drunken vent.

If we want Seattle to really be outraged, have a Jew beat up a minority while shouting the N-word.

That would get those latte-drinkers riled.

entagor on August 1, 2006 at 1:43 AM

If the media were to admit that these were Jihadists who are part on Islamofascism’s war on America, and not simple “lone gunmen,” they’d have to admit that Bush was right to invade Iraq, and that the Israeli’s are right to invade Lebanon.

They will NEVER do it, even if they found writen orders from Osama bin Laden authorizing their attrocities in their pocket.

Bush, and the war on terrorism, MUST NEVER, EVER, be legitimized.

1. Doing soIt helps Bush, and they can’t have that.

2. Clinton becomes identified as incompetent or worse for not defending America when he was in charge, and his legacy must never, ever be tarnished.

georgej on August 1, 2006 at 5:55 AM

He recently won an essay contest for a U.S. Institute of Peace scholarship.

Guess who?

Hint: He’s a recently baptised Christian. Or, maybe not.

Pablo on August 1, 2006 at 9:04 AM