The American victims of Hezbollah

posted at 9:39 am on July 24, 2006 by Bryan

Americans murdered by Hezbollah:
William Rich Higgins
Robert Dean Stethem
William Francis Buckley
Honor the 241
Most wanted Hez: Imad Mugniyah

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I guess Chris just gave up his lunch money when the bully came around. Appeasment seems to be his order of the day.
Thanks for exposing the obsurdity of these two jokers comments.

brtex on July 24, 2006 at 9:53 AM

3 words:
Fan.
Tas.
Tic.

Nice job HotAir team.

But, why did Reagan allow Hezbollah to continue its existence back in ’83?

Fogpig on July 24, 2006 at 10:05 AM

But, why did Reagan allow Hezbollah to continue its existence back in ‘83?

very good question. anyone know the answer?

pullingmyhairout on July 24, 2006 at 10:08 AM

Pat has lost his mind. Chris never had one.

MCPO Airdale on July 24, 2006 at 10:10 AM

after the bombing of the marine barracks in ’83, didn’t we send the USS New Jersey in there and HAMMER beirut in much the same way that the israelis are now?

angry_mike on July 24, 2006 at 10:24 AM

Pat Buchanan is anti-Semitic and an isolationist. Chris Matthews is crazy.

Ellen on July 24, 2006 at 10:31 AM

Nice Vent. It’s amazing how quickly people forget just how often we have been attacked. Wake up, Pat.

As for Chris Matthews, well, he sure seems to think violence against others is OK for those who don’t think like him politcally.

StephC on July 24, 2006 at 10:31 AM

Good vent, an excellent reminder to those who forget that this terrorist thing goes WAY back, LOOOONG before Iraq or 9/11. People forget that, most kids DON’T EVEN KNOW IT! We need to stress this more in education. But apparently Rose-Colored-Glasses are more important than truth in education.

DakRoland on July 24, 2006 at 10:36 AM

Conveniently short and selective memory is infuriating – its consequence, deadly.

PMHO, in my opinion, Reagan’s reluctance to engage, fully, in ’83, was due to his determination to defeat the Soviet Union in the Cold War. He wouldn’t allow anything to interfere with the pursuit of that goal.

Aunt B on July 24, 2006 at 10:36 AM

Excellent Vent. Is Buchanan really even relevant anymore?

p0s3r on July 24, 2006 at 10:39 AM

Great vent HotAir. I’d like to hear what the MSM has to say about some of these atrocities. Anybody know if the editorial page of the NY Slimes is archived anywhere?

dalewalt on July 24, 2006 at 10:44 AM

Pat Buchanan gives conservatives a bad name.
Coño!

batperez on July 24, 2006 at 10:52 AM

Ronnie Raygun, as we called him back then, allowed oil politics, and the American election cycle, to let Hez go.

We knew who had hit us… we knew where they were, but would have really ticked off Saudi, Egypt, Jordan, and others by going after them. Oil prices would have risen as Iran and Iraq were in the middle of their war.

So, instead of letting Marg 2-83 take care of business, he sent their relief to invade Grenada, so he could look tough while running off like a whipped curr…

Can’t look like a wimp, and have rising oil prices, when you’re starting your run for reelection.

Needless to say, as one who was there in Oct 83, I was not very pleased… and its very difficult to watch what is going on now…

Romeo13 on July 24, 2006 at 10:54 AM

Ronnie perobably let Hezbollah get away with it due to the influence of his ‘diplomatic VP, Bush 1. RR didn’t always listen to the right advisors.

This one really irked me, because my brother was there. He missed being a casualty by 40 minutes and spent the rest of the week getting an advanced course in body part sorting of friends. That was the day our involvement in the Global War on Terror really started; we just didn’t know it until 9/11/2001.

Mike O on July 24, 2006 at 10:57 AM

1. I’ve been in plenty of schoolyard brawls as well as barroom brawls, and I still support EXACTLY the world the ‘neocons’ are bringing us. In fact, I’ll challenge Mr. Matthews to his recollection of any of his ‘schoolyard fights’. Willing to bet he just hid behind the teachers skirt when trouble came around.
2. Hezbollah is, was, and will be our problem until eliminated. Until we show them that we won’t back down, they will believe as Osama believed, that we’re just paper tigers.

Best. Vent. Ever.

Thanks Michelle.

webproze on July 24, 2006 at 10:58 AM

Amazing how these people simply ignore history.

speed647 on July 24, 2006 at 11:04 AM

John Kerry – to star in the next Superman movie – fighting for truth, justice and all that stuff…

pullingmyhairout on July 24, 2006 at 11:06 AM

We knew who had hit us… we knew where they were, but would have really ticked off Saudi, Egypt, Jordan, and others by going after them. Oil prices would have risen as Iran and Iraq were in the middle of their war.

well, suppressing the oil prices to starve russia and the communist block destroyed the economy in Texas and other oil producing states. remember 9$ oil? I do. Houston was in a huge recession and I couldn’t find a job right out of UT. it was pathetic.

Reagan fed us to the lions to destroy communism. it’s too bad he didn’t see the threat in islamofacism.

pullingmyhairout on July 24, 2006 at 11:10 AM

yeah, I saw that putz kerry claiming if HE were president, none of this would be happening now….. RIIIIIGHT… if only we let him implement the mysterious “plan for america” of his that he never revealed any details about

angry_mike on July 24, 2006 at 11:13 AM

Michelle -

I’ve increasingly become a skeptic of the blogosphere in recent months, reluctantly concluding that, for the most part, blogs and bloggers are a waste of time and energy. Other than providing a morning bit of entertainment with my coffee.

And for the most part, I think I’m right.

But THIS sort of posting – and hotair.com in general, for that matter – is the exception that makes blogging worthwhile, and makes bloggers socially and politically important. This sort of post is what makes the time spent slogging through the muck worth my time.

THIS type of reporting is literally invaluable. No one, anywhere, is reminding us of these facts; most of those whose job it is to do so apparently don’t even REMEMBER these facts.

Personally, I didn’t even know that TWA 847 had been Hezbollah, and though I should have remembered, I, too, had forgotten Col. Higgins.

I cannot thank you enough nor stress just how truly important this type of post can be. Thank you. Thank you.

By the way, some of you may like to read more:

http://marinecorpsmoms.com/archives/000119.html

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As for the content, well, Chrissy “I squat to pee” Matthews isn’t worth the breath I’d have to take to rebut his childishness. As soon as I heard him comment on Ann Coulter’s appearance, I forever wrote him off as being worth my time. It may sound arrogant – but he’s beneath me. He’s not my intellectual or moral equal, so his opinion is perpetually invalid. The only think Matthews is good for is the old Darrell Hammond skits on SNL.

And poor old Pat Buchanan. I strongly suspect the only reason he’s given a platform for his punditry is because the liberal media knows full well by making him an icon of the right – they discredit the right.

As for his witless remarks: you did a fine job of pointing out the obvious – that Hisballsnuts has attacked up plenty in the past. Clearly, Pat’s in need of some mental viagra.

But even if he were factually accurate (which he so plainly is not), his comment is still historically and logically laughable.

Read it again: “You don’t go after people unless they go after you.”

Could ANYONE with even a casual knowledge of human history think that comment holds wisdom? Anyone?

Do I really have to list the historical moments in which tragedy could have been averted had the good guys done what they should have done BEFORE they “came after you?”

The list would fill pages. It would obviously start with 9/11. 3,000 people died on that day ONLY because our goverment tends to agree with Pat – that we “don’t go after people until they go after you.”

History is calling you a liar, Pat. It’s greatest tragedies have come from following that advice, from putting aside what needs to be done until there was no choice.

I’ve said it a dozen times here and here’s number thirteen: it is the mid-1930s in Europe all over again. We face the same decisions.

And once again, we’re being told “you don’t go after people until they go after you.”

I suppose there were folks in Poland on August 31, 1939, saying exactly the same thing.

It’s a lie of truly epic proportions.

And we still believe it.

Professor Blather on July 24, 2006 at 11:21 AM

Amazing how these people simply ignore history.

As usual, someone else said in a sentence what took me a page.

What Speed647 said – it is amazing that history is ignored (along with logic, critical thinking, and grade-school level common sense).

Professor Blather on July 24, 2006 at 11:24 AM

We knew who had hit us… we knew where they were, but would have really ticked off Saudi, Egypt, Jordan, and others by going after them.

Hey, we were saddled up. Locked and loaded. Ready to go. (And when I say “we”, I mean that in the tighter personal sense) And then we stood down. And then we invaded Grenada. And then we thought it would be a good idea to illicitly sell weaponry to Iran.

To this day, I can’t figure it out. But I can see that if we’d taken care of our business then, we wouldn’t have the majority of the jihadi problems we have today.

Pablo on July 24, 2006 at 11:25 AM

I remember sitting in the USS Iwo Jima’s communication shack when word came in that our relief had just invaded Grenada…. I specificaly remember asking… “grenada, isn’t that in Spain???”

Really sad part of this all is that the Islamic world still speaks today of how America has not will… because just like Viet Nam, if you hit them hard enough, they fold…

I truly wish the MSM would publish those idiots, as a counterpoint the next time they talk about our casuties in Iraq….

Romeo13 on July 24, 2006 at 11:37 AM

Please see:

USS STETHEM

USS HIGGINS

The U.S. Navy and Marine Corps have an EXPEDITIONARY STRIKE GROUP just off of Lebanon as we speak.

Trust me, the Navy and Marine Corps remember.

haakondahl on July 24, 2006 at 12:04 PM

“….one hijacker was sentenced to life in Germany”

It’s not that bad once you get used to the toilets.

lumberjack on July 24, 2006 at 1:04 PM

Pat Buchanan’s wrong about this, yes. OTOH, he was among the earliest to see the danger of ignoring illegal immigration. Which W is still unable to grasp. I’ve noticed in Arizona that terrorist-supporting CAIR never hesitates to side with the illegals.

Chelle

ChelleFiche on July 24, 2006 at 1:26 PM

I have just created a folder in my Favorites called Patriots to save all these fine links. I should have done this sooner because it is hard to fight the eternal infernal sounds of the erasers at the MSM.

It sure takes you out of the “Crescent-Moon-Goddess WTC Memorial mindset”.

Read the words of a Marine who survived the Beirut Bombing in 1983. Maj. Bob Jordan’s own words: “We were being tested, and we failed the test,” he said of the U.S. response to the attack”

Wikpedia states it was Casper Weinberger who caused the US pullout in sensitivity to oil producers. IMHO, Grenada wasn’t wrong, in terms of the Monroe Doctrine, but it was blown up into some kind of WWIII while Beirut was downplayed, I mean Dhimmi-played, out of sensitivity for people who probably got a big kick out of dead Marines.

Look where that got us.

I heard this morning that the Saudis have asked the US to use its influence to get the Israelis to a cease-fire; that must mean the Israelis are winning.

entagor on July 24, 2006 at 1:36 PM

Professor Blather, in support of what you wrote, here are a few counter-punches to Mr. Buchanon’s erroneous theory:

First, the obvious, we can’t isolate ourselves and live happy thereafter, especially in this complex and challenging world, global economy and quick communication of today.

Generals McArthur and Patton should have been given more reign and the world would be different today. An American colleague got mad at me when he told me that Western Europe was freed by the Americans, and I agreed, but continued “you should have listened to Gen. Patton and freed the rest of us in Europe”. This would have pre-emptied a lot, especially the gargantuan energy needed to contain and stop the USSR and its influence not only in Eastern Europe, but Central- and South America and Africa, not to forget Cuba. It makes me crazy to have to go circles around Cuba, when in the region. I know that I will not die before Cuba will be free! In Romania, I worked in a lab, in a 12/24 shift (work 12, be off 24 hours). One night, at the risk of being imprisoned, I tore the life-size picture of Fidel in fatigues off the wall. The next morning an investigation followed and when I returned to work the picture was replaced. There wasn’t a soul there who didn’t know that I had done it but no one, not even the biggest boss, complained. When I went back to visit, they said “we always knew you would leave this system some day”.

You mentioned the 1930s and the obvious which preemption would have saved us: Uncle Adolf, Mussolini, Stalin and the Japanese.

I’m still mad that the Europeans did nothing in Kosovo and waited for the U.S. to come and save their back yard. Finally, late, Mr. Clinton decided to act.

Somalia, Rwanda, Afghanistan and 9/11 – could all have been addressed if Mr. Clinton wouldn’t have been cigar-afflicted. I know the exact moment when the U.S. should have bombed Afghanistan into the 3rd century, for its own good. It was the week before the Taliban blew up those Buddhist statues. I kept shouting at the TV in vane.

As for the situation in Lebanon today, I seem to be hopeful. Mr. Fuad Saniora, PM of Lebanon, looks very happy to see Ms. Rice. I believe the Arab League is not happy with Hezbollah. It’s a good thing that not all Muslims are in sync. We have some interesting alliances in the ‘tango’ and it is indeed a complex web. Still, I have hope in the youth of Iran. I have an Iranian acquaintance, a female professor of math., who tells me that under the burkas, most wear short skirts, make-up and, when inside a building, they immediately unrobe (the burka) and live life. Maybe I’m hoping against hope but I abhor tyrants and somehow I believe they all self-destruct or are eliminated. It is against human nature to be subjugated and that’s the best we have. Until Mr. Kerry rides in on a white horse, of course.

You say history has taught us much, and indeed it has, but we ‘isn’t’ learning! That’s, unfortunately, also in our nature – that we are not very erudite, at least most aren’t.

Entelechy on July 24, 2006 at 1:45 PM

Nice reminder Michelle.

Forget the words of Chris Matthews. He demonstrated his neo-bravery by picking a fight with Michelle a few years ago (notice that he was a safe distance away when he tried the same stunt with Zell Miller). And he does look good in a burka.

Pat Buchanan is a mystery to me right now concerning Israel.

Professor Blather is correct about his references to history. In fact, good postings by everyone here!

Perhaps Pres Reagan just did not see or understand the exponential threat of HazNOBALLSa and perhaps let oil politics interfere with his decisions.

The False Dervish on July 24, 2006 at 1:46 PM

I do wish that Reagan would’ve gone after Islamofascists when he was in office. My guess is he viewed the Sov’s as a bigger threat than Islam, something that I agree with. The reason for some of our worst Middle Eastern policies was due to the need to counter the Red threat.

dalewalt on July 24, 2006 at 2:16 PM

For Reagans generation Comunism WAS the worst.
We can look back today with 20/20 vision and wish that Reagan had done sometihng to the islamofascist, but we can never trully know what would have happened. The past should be learned from, but second guessing it is all speculation.
Yesterdays issue was Communism, and Reagan did what he felt was best. Today it is the Islamafascist, and it is up to us to do what we think is best.

Wyrd on July 24, 2006 at 2:34 PM

I like Pat a lot. He’s dead on with respect to most of the issues I care about, especially illegal immigration. But he’s wrong on this one. “They” have come after us, and we should clean their clocks.

Hey, nobody’s perfect.

Matthews, on the other hand, is a perfect example of why there are laws about first cousins marrying each other.

pubscout on July 24, 2006 at 2:41 PM

Well said, Wyrd!

dalewalt on July 24, 2006 at 2:55 PM

Pat Buchanan may be right about illegal immigration, but that’s just another example of the old adage “even a stopped clock is right twice a day”.

Other than that, Buchanan is a piece of (expletive that rhymes with ‘it’) who is woefully ignorant of history. His thinly-veiled hatred towards Jews (most often disguised as mere criticism of Israel) is the fulcrum which allows Islamo-facists and left-wingers to use him as one of their useful idiots. Like the latter two, Pat never seems to notice all of the innocent lives taken by terrorists in their repeated attacks on Israel, yet he has no problem taking Israel to task for the same, and he adds icing on the cake of moral equivalency with the “no wonder why they hate us” remark. What a tool.

I could go on about Pat’s monumental historical ignorance, but Professor Blather has already done a good job of deconstructing that.

thirteen28 on July 24, 2006 at 3:03 PM

…why did Reagan allow Hezbollah to continue its existence back in ‘83?

Caspar Weinberger allegedly advised him to not retaliate, fearing that it would infuriate our muslim “allies.”

Regardless, it was one of the few mistakes that Reagan/Weinberger made during his term.

Does anybody have good contact information for Buchannan, i.e., an email address? I think his comments deserve direct rebuttal from as many of us as choose to bother to write him.

georgej on July 24, 2006 at 4:10 PM

Man, talk about a schoolyard beatdown. Michelle just opened up a case of whup-a$$ on Pat B. He’s totally out to lunch on this one. Well, we can all rest easy, when Iran sends a cruise missile into the US, Pat B. will be the first man to suggest we should..er..do something. Nicely reasoned, forcefully presented and factually undeniable. Michelle, you rock. I just wish you would have given Matthews a couple of shots just for the utter absurdity of his comment. How does that clown keep his own show? Great vent guys.

austinnelly on July 24, 2006 at 5:32 PM

Well done, Michelle et al! Well Done!

This kind of comparative reporting is exactly what’s needed to put things in proper context.

Great vent, and very much appreciated!

techno_barbarian on July 24, 2006 at 5:54 PM

Keep it up Michelle & crew. The clown left will never pay attention, but the rest of us need reminding now & again. Matthews and his running dogs are too stupid for you to waste time on. Just keep moving, nothing to see there. He & Pat are down to being the comic relief on your serious days.

wcarr on July 24, 2006 at 6:28 PM

Well, we can all rest easy, when Iran sends a cruise missile into the US, Pat B. will be the first man to suggest we should..er..do something.

And ain’t that just the truth?

It drives me apeshit, pardon my French. Or is that Turkish? Whatever.

It drives me frickin’ bonkers that, when the worst inevitably happens, ALL of the people bitching loudest and demanding to know why we “didn’t do something” are EXACTLY the same people who today are screeching “you don’t go after people unless they go after you …!”

Huh? Whazzat? Whatdephuck?

It’s just amazing. Stunning. Mind-boggling and testicle-shriveling.

9/11 provides a crystal clear and painful and recent example. Let’s face it – the ONLY reason we were successfully attacked is the “you don’t go after people unless they go after you” policy.

We could have stopped it. We could have saved everyone of those 3,000 people. But if we HAD … the left and the Buchanans on the right would have gone literally BALLISTIC (an ironic pun) bleating about civil rights and international law and repeating ad nauseum ad infinitum “you don’t go after people unless they go after you …”

But there is a great joke in there, isn’t there? I mean, except for the 3,000 dead and countless others around the world … and it’s a funny joke, too. The joke is this: THOSE SAME FRICKIN’ PEOPLE are TODAY the ones demanding hearings and writing books and going on the Chrissy Matthews show saying we didn’t do enough to stop 9/11.

It’s the Jersey Girls syndrome. It is always, always the same people, the very same ones who stop us from doing what we need to do – become the first bitching about why we didn’t do anything.

Aarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh.

And since I’m ranting, one last almost on-topic comment: when Kim No-Dong NeedsAChillPillIll launches a nuke at the west coast and we can’t do a damn thing to stop it – my fervent prayer will be that all of the loony left LIVING on the West Coast will have just long enough to ponder whether maybe, just frickin’ MAYBE, a little pre-emption isn’t always a bad thing. Or maybe that building a missile shield would have been wise.

Or maybe, just maybe, they’ll grasp the irony: that for once THEY WILL PERSONALLY pay the price of the “you don’t go after people unless they go after you.” I assume that once liberal San Fran is a smoking hole, we have liberal permission to “go after” the bad guys?

Karma is a bitch, and it’s coming for these stupid, stupid people. You watch.

/steps off soap-box, goes in search of beer …

Professor Blather on July 24, 2006 at 6:32 PM

“…lest we forget…”

Thank you, Michelle

woodcdi on July 24, 2006 at 7:33 PM

THANKS haakondahl on July 24, 2006 at 12:04 PM
Those are great links, even the wreath for the Navy’s Guided Missile Destroyer Higgins is a story worth reading.
in part: Two wreaths symbolize the many military and civilian honors awarded Marine Col. Higgins and signify unusual achievement.
http://www.higgins.navy.mil/Information/Crest/main.htm
-to be redundant.

And the (first) Tactical Tomahawk AEGIS Destroyer USS STETHEM

This made me feel proud of my country.

shooter on July 24, 2006 at 7:43 PM

Whoa lumberjack “…

.one hijacker was sentenced to life in Germany”

It’s not that bad once you get used to the toilets.

Germany let him go in December 2005. The US asked Lebanon for him back for murder charges (Stethem) but he’s free. He is Mohammed Ali Hamadei or Hammadi , now on the FBI’s MOST WANTED LIST.
All four fugitives from TWA Flight 847 now remain on the list, and at large. All four are Hizbollah terrorists.

shooter on July 24, 2006 at 7:56 PM

Not sure what you mean shooter, but Stethem (pronounced STEE-dum) is not the first Aegis destroyer, tactical Tomahawk or not. Arleigh Burke (DDG-51) was the first Aegis destroyer in her line, and was fully Tomahawk capable.

rightside on July 24, 2006 at 7:57 PM

Prof, at least THAAD is a step in the right direction. Isn’t it close to operational now? (Last I knew, they were planning on IOC sometime in 2007).

dalewalt on July 24, 2006 at 10:06 PM

Lunatic Pat & Chris the Sissy should be the first go when it’s
time for the terrorist to strike the USA’s interest.
Pat will always be bitter and a Moron for losing the presidental election ..
Chris will always be bitter for just being born ugly and has the lowest rating show there is.
Hell the regular tv stations have a better rating then the Moronic left and Pat…

Thanks for a great Vent !!!

I’m ready for the terrorist and i’m willing to kick their butts and burn their remains to rid us from the evil vile they create.

alyce on July 24, 2006 at 10:25 PM

Michelle,

I’ve been reading you for a couple years and watching Vent since day 1. This is hands down the best installment yet. You rock.

dung.

Moose Dung on July 24, 2006 at 10:33 PM

Lunatic Pat & Chris the Sissy should be the first go when it’s
time for the terrorist to strike the USA’s interest.

Alyce, you oughta know they won’t be a target until after Shari’a is instituted….

ScottG on July 24, 2006 at 10:42 PM

Rightside, you seem to be correct…
– On the Destroyers website:
http://www.stethem.navy.mil/welcome.asp – it says “FIRST”.
BUT on the history page, same site, it says: “USS STETHEM (DDG 63) is the 13th ship of the DDG 51 ARLEIGH BURKE Aegis Destroyer program, and the sixth to be built by Ingalls…”

The “First” seems to be editing trouble as the paragraph makes no sense in full. I copied the webmaster, thanks.

Cool anyway, glad they do it so proudly.

shooter on July 24, 2006 at 11:59 PM

I’ll bet Michelle was the schoolyard bully; talk about a beatin’ on Pat and Chris. Remind me never to get on her bad side. You are a lucky man, Bryan; but very brave.

Mike O on July 25, 2006 at 12:41 AM

That was great Michelle! I wish they would play that on every news network. oh well I can dream of it happening anyway. The media would choke before they would tell the truth.
Thanks again!

Wild Thing on July 25, 2006 at 6:56 PM

Thanks for the promo and link!
Jason

noodlehead on July 25, 2006 at 11:01 PM

I just wanted to post this as a reminder that this is the best VENT ever done…and still relevant to this day.

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