The Jihadis that you meet each day
posted at 9:39 am on July 21, 2006 by Bryan
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Strong medicine. Keep up the good work. This whole thing seems to be coming to a head, but these stupid jihadis just don’t realize what Americans will do if we’re struck again. There will be no more restraint among the citizenry. We didn’t buy the ‘religion of peace’ bull crap the first time. We’ll throw it back into the faces of anyone daring enough to say it after the next time. And there WILL be a next time.
pistolero on July 21, 2006 at 9:48 AM
Great vent HotAir staff, and a bit scary too. To think that some of the people I see on the streets could literally be planning ways of destroying our way of life, or at least support those who are doing the planning.
I’m just glad the map you showed doesn’t show any terrorist network in Pittsburgh that we know of. (Although the one in Cleveland could explain Browns fans :-)
dalewalt on July 21, 2006 at 9:59 AM
Strong medicine. We ignore the Religion of Peace at our peril. Keep up the good work. You’re doing the heavy lifting MSM is too cowardly to do.
pistolero on July 21, 2006 at 10:04 AM
A good and (as always) informative vent, Michelle.
You are quite correct that the snooze alarm has been on for too many people since the 9-11 murders. I have read the book AMERICAN JIHAD when it first came out. I urge EVERYONE to read it (it might be a bit dated by now, but read it nonetheless).
We must also do our part and begin to be watchful…never mind of being accused of profiling, or not being PC, BVDS, LDS…WHATEVER!
OUR LIVES AND OUR SURVIVAL AS A NATION IS AT STAKE!
But, remember that many people of non-Islamic faith and non-Middle Eastern roots are also supporters of terrorism, of Hamas, of HezNOBALLSa, of the Oxi-Moron Brigate…whether the reasons be due to being self-hating Americans, being infected with terminal PC, being anti-Israeli, etc.
Stay alert, stay alive.
The False Dervish on July 21, 2006 at 10:11 AM
BTW-
MICHELLE IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO WRITE ANOTHER BOOK.
WRITE ONE FOCUSING ON THE THREATS TO OUR STILL FREE AND STILL GREAT NATION.
The False Dervish on July 21, 2006 at 10:12 AM
OK, I’m probably about to make a whole lotta people mad at me, but here it goes. I don’t get the concept of a “global war on terror.” How is it possible to annihilate a religious ideal (like jihad)? let me explain: in WWI and WWII, we had discernible enemies. They had a country, uniforms, etc. We bombed them to kingdom come and they surrendered. end of war. these terrorists live and breathe this jihad idea that they must destroy the infidel. they have no country, no uniform, basically, nothing for us to destroy – and, they just don’t give a damn if everything around them is destroyed because their endgame is a muslim world.
So, this is where I’m going to make people mad: how is it that we (being the U.S. and any other civilized nation) can go into a country to rid it of these evil people without destroying the lives of so many innocents?
I just don’t think it’s going to work. The more we wage war and the more we appease, the more we embolden them to continue their fight against the western world. It’s an endless circle. I don’t know what the answer is, but realistically, do you REALLY think it’s possible to fight them to the death?
And, what do you suggest we do with the lovelies who live in our midst? What if they are u.s. citizens? what then?
pullingmyhairout on July 21, 2006 at 10:14 AM
pullingmyhairout, nobody’s ever said the war on terror would be easy, or as clearcut as any previous war. And yes, innocent people will get hurt: they get hurt in EVERY war; much more so in past wars (look at the bombing of Dresden, the V2 rockets fired at England, the millions of Soviet citizens killed by the Germans).
Yes, we DO have to fight them to the death; either theirs or ours. If we stay the course, and don’t give up, then it’ll be their death.
If they’re U.S. citizens, and they’re actively engaged against us, then they’re guilty of treason, and should be put to death.
dalewalt on July 21, 2006 at 10:20 AM
also, think about the millions of innocent lives on both sides that will be lost if we don’t fight the jihad!
dalewalt on July 21, 2006 at 10:21 AM
Dalewalt,
that’s fine. fight to the death. but for how long? how do we fight against a RELIGION???? Because that’s exactly what we are fighting. do you really think that one morning all the radical clerics are going to just wake up and decide that they have found Jesus in their hearts or that Bin Laden will have a revelation and tell all his terrorist buddies to stop acting like little children? I don’t think that will happen in my lifetime, or my children’s for that matter.
pullingmyhairout on July 21, 2006 at 10:24 AM
Please fix the iPod link.
shirgall on July 21, 2006 at 10:34 AM
We can start in this country by refining the constitutional definition of Freedom of Religion. You are free to practice any religion you want as long as the liturgy does not include an ideaology that calls for the violent overthrow, death and suppression of non-believers. Those people in SF that preach hate and murder have no right to practice that ‘religion’ in my country. Sorry. Get the hell out and go to your own country.
pistolero on July 21, 2006 at 10:34 AM
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shooter on July 21, 2006 at 10:37 AM
pullingmyhairout,
Fight for as long as it takes… if that means that my grandkids are still fighting, then so be it. If the jihadists’ stated aim is to kill all the infidels, us pulling back into our own country and erecting a wall around us will only delay, not stop, the eventual destruction of our way of life. The overriding theme of most religions is compassion for others. The overriding theme of Islam is death and destruction. Pistolero is right; any religion/idealoogy that calls for the death of non-believers should NOT have the protections of our Freedom of Religion.
So what’s the alternative? Quit fighting? Say “okay, as long as you’re not killing us right now we’ll leave you be?” Sorry, but I, for one, am willing to see the war on terror go on as long as it takes; until either Islam changes its notion of jihad, or every last one of the pyscho’s are dead.
dalewalt on July 21, 2006 at 10:44 AM
pullingmyhairout
Fortunately we’re not fighting a religion, just a particular interpretation of a religion.
Christianity had it’s Reformation and became much more tolerant – and tolerable. Islam hasn’t had a Reformation – yet. The GWOT is pushing it toward one.
That’s one of the two ways this can end, and much preferrable to the other one which is based on the old cure for hoof & mouth disease.
(Hint: the old cure was to make sure that there were no animals in your herd with hoof & mouth disease).
KCSteve on July 21, 2006 at 10:47 AM
Allah willing, America will win!
ptolemy on July 21, 2006 at 10:47 AM
dalewalt on July 21, 2006 at 10:21 AM said what the alternative would be if we do not fight the Islamafascists.
Death to all non-muslims. Is it going to be easy to fight a faulty religious ‘idea’ with 1400 years of history? NO. But do we sit back and wait for them to kill millions of us, because of the difficulty factor, then nuke em all?
We MUST fight now, next week, next year, next decade. We must get the TRUTH out to the masses. The real GOD and the TRUTH will start to manifest in the minds of the world. The religion of death will begin to crumble with world-wide pressure IF we help get the real facts to everyone imaginable.
Do something each day to help, or…..wait. Your choice.
shooter on July 21, 2006 at 10:57 AM
Dalewalt said: The overriding theme of Islam is death and destruction. Pistolero is right; any religion/idealoogy that calls for the death of non-believers should NOT have the protections of our Freedom of Religion.
That’s a pretty scary thought. i can’t imagine living in a country that places restrictions on my freedoms. The consevative thought is to keep government out of our private lives and restricting religion is not a very conservative idea, is it????
And no, i don’t necessarily think we should stop fighting and say “kings x – you win.” But i have to ask again, are you willing to fight this into the next generation? or two? or three? because a change in religious philosophy does not happen over night. The protestant reformation happened gradually, over the course of several centuries. Are you saying that you feel ok fighting this over the next few hundred years???
And KC, sorry to burst your bubble, but we ARE fighting a religion. Until the majority of muslim clerics and faithful come out and denounce terrorism EVERY SINGLE TIME and stand up for the innocent, I will not believe that islam is a religion of “peace.” They have done nothing to prove that to me.
pullingmyhairout on July 21, 2006 at 10:58 AM
I think we need a “Litmus Test” for religion. We can’t allow every belief system to be classified as a religion. If the belief system does not hold that “the gift of life that the creator has bestowed upon us” as sacred it would not pass the test.
I think I’m at the point where this is the last time I will use the words “Islam” and “religion” in the same sentence.
The Radical Islamic Belief System (RIBS) can be beaten. The intolerance is repeatedly taught to young children to shape thier minds. We need to break the cycle of indoctrination by killing the leaders and teachers and uh oh, I think I just agreed with Ann Coulter ..
-FOGPIG (Fat Old Guy capitalist PIG)
Fogpig on July 21, 2006 at 11:05 AM
i don’t believe what i’m reading today on this thread. are ya’ll all suggesting that we curtail our freedom of RELIGION???? geez. i’m seeing stars. light headed…gotta get more coffee…gotta go back to bed and wake up again…maybe some shopping therapy…a good massage???
PEOPLE, FRIENDS, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING???
pullingmyhairout on July 21, 2006 at 11:08 AM
pullingmyhairout……
So if my ideaology included human sacrifice you’re OK with that? Just like freedom of speech not ALL speech is protected. I hardly think that finding evidence of a group of people preaching the violent overthrow of the government and the subjugation of its people is legal under any circumstance. I don’t care if it happens to occur in a mosque or a coffeehouse or a tavern.
pistolero on July 21, 2006 at 11:13 AM
pistolero,
oh come on. as long as an IDEOLOGY doesn’t break U.S. Law, yes sir, it should be protected in MOST CASES. but I think curtailing our basic rights as U.S. citizens and human beings is taking this to its extreme. I’m a reasonable person, I really am. I understand that something has to be done. I just think that limiting our religious expression is NOT one of them!!
pullingmyhairout on July 21, 2006 at 11:18 AM
I am an extemely patriotic, quite conservative American, (some would say right-wing nut) but I fail to see how killing the leaders and teachers of radical islam would stop the insanity… doesn’t that just breed more outrage? And then, in turn, breed more radicals? I’m inclined to agree with pullingmyhairout… curtailing the first amendment probably isn’t what the US needs right now
angry_mike on July 21, 2006 at 11:21 AM
Buck up men. Just think back to Japan in WWII. They were thought to be the most Militaristic nation in the history of mankind. Their Kamikazes were the forerunners of today’s Islamist suicide bombers.
They loudly proclaimed their intent to fight to the death as do the idiot Muslim jihadists today.
And all it took was a couple of strategically placed Nukes to pacify them to the point that we haven’t heard a peep out of them in over 60 years.
Hey, there will always be wars. That’s the way it is. But the current War with Radical Islam will eventually pass. Probably in a similar scenario to WWII but involving Iran.
And these dipshits will crawl back into their lair not to be heard from for generations to come.
there it is on July 21, 2006 at 11:25 AM
Thanks Angry-mike for your support. I’m off to shopping therapy now.
cheers!
pullingmyhairout on July 21, 2006 at 11:26 AM
OK. Let’s just say that I agree with your statements about not curtailing religion. That’s certainly not my goal. The problem is that nobody has the balls to enforce existing laws that define the preaching of the violent overthrow of the government as a crime. Why don’t these mullahs get tossed in the slammer or deported where appropriate? Instead, we’ve got this brainwashing going on in the mosques day after day, fomenting hatred and violence while certain elements of society openly supporting our terrorist enemies in large demonstrations.
I’m just sick of it. The constitution is not a suicide pact. Or is it?
pistolero on July 21, 2006 at 11:27 AM
As a historian, I understand a verity most people refuse to accept: The world has always been at war. Yes, “heats and ferments” flow and ebb, heat and cool, spread and contract. Nevertheless, the world has never been without war and, in the narrow view, the US has been at war with Iran for twenty-seven years. Essentially, what is different, at this point in history, is the speed and constancy of communication that causes widespread anxiety and anger and forces immediate reaction (myopic) rather than measured response (farsightedness).
Can we be victorious in this current, unconventional conflict, which, inevitably, will give rise to another? Parenthetically, WWI and WWII were, each, unconventional; but, I digress. Yes, we can, if we abandon the minimalist playbook, eschew denial born of cowardice, and assess the big picture, with honesty, mindful of our own need to sacrifice.
Aunt B on July 21, 2006 at 11:31 AM
Another book I would put on the HotAir required reading list, one that is very pertinent to the subject of today’s Vent, is The Force of Reason by Orianna Fallaci. She’s very vividly painted a picture of a Europe that has hit the snooze button with regard to the threat of radical Islam, and they are much further along down the path to dhimminitue than we are. Like another great Florentine, Niccolo Machiavelli, Fallaci is not afraid to speak the ugly truth, and she provides a stern warning to what could happen to us over here should we ignore the threat.
pullingmyhairout, I understand where you are coming from. However, tolerance is a two-way street, and we have no obligation to tolerate those who would be intolerant to us. In fact, I would say we have a duty to be intolerant towards those who would be the same towards us. Religious freedom is not a virtue unto itself, it is only a virtue when it allows others the same religious freedom. When Muslims start talking about imposing sharia and trying to restrict our freedoms while giving support to terrorist organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas, they have crossed that line.
When muslims the world over can practice their religion peacefully and with tolerance of other religions, then I will agree with you. But until then … let them eat pork.
thirteen28 on July 21, 2006 at 11:42 AM
Now I don’t want to get off on a rant here, but…
I think there’s two thoughts on this thread; curtailing freedom of religion and (to be crudely and simply) how long should we continue to fight terrorism.
1. Curtailing freedom of religion: I don’t want to see ANY freedoms curtailed, and I certainly don’t want to see a religion singled out. However, given the propensity to violence of Islams, and the intolerance of most practicing Moslems (just show a cartoon of Mohammed (piss be upon him) and see what happens), I *do* believe that any religion that shows preaches violence and intolerance should NOT enjoy the same protections that it’s demanding for itself. Again, look at the cartoon controvesy; Muslims demand the removal of the Mohammed cartoons, and threaten violence if they don’t get their way. Sorry, that to me says that the Muslim religion is, shall we say, intolerably intolerant :-). So no, they shouldn’t enjoy the protections of the freedom of religion. And I’m sure that there are many Muslims that do NOT advocate violence. I’m certainly not suggesting that we outlaw the Moslem faith. However when anybody supports terrorism and the overthrow and destruction of the U.S., then they shouldn’t be able to hide behind the Freedom of Religion.
2. How long do we fight terrorism? This is easy… as long as it takes. The only other option is to give up, build a 20 ft wall around the U.S., and hope to hell nobody tries to harm us. Well, they will. They won’t be happy unless/until we’re under Sharia law. Will it take a long time? yes. Decades, perhaps centuries? Possibly, but so be it. Yes, the clerics (and the general Muslim population) aren’t going to magically change overnight, and suddenly become a true peace-loving religion. And I don’t think just bombs and bullets are needed. We need to use the carrot and the stick; show them that we can and want to peacefully co-exist; but if not we’ll blow them to kingdom come.
Of course, that’s just my opinion, I could be wrong.
dalewalt on July 21, 2006 at 11:43 AM
Professor Blather on July 21, 2006 at 11:43 AM
p.s. to pullingmyhairout: using the “quote” tags provided will nicely indent text; making it easier to differentiate what you’re trying to say and what somebody else has said. Just a friendly suggestion :-)
dalewalt on July 21, 2006 at 11:44 AM
The answer is pretty complex. Pulling is right though. You can not kill an Idea (didn’t Jefferson or Franklin say something like that)
The issue we face today is a group of religeous fanatics (my defination) who see that it is the will of their god to kill the infidel and to bring about a worldwide government based on their ideology.
Killing them is necasary, since if they aren’t killed they will kill us.
But how do you stop the spread of their ideology? Perhaps the only way is to break the strangle hold the religeous leaders have on the people and give them the freedom to choose.
Also think of this. By doing so you are (according to their belief system)damning them to hell. You may believe differently, but your beliefs do not matter, at least not to them. This is because they are right, and you are already a damned soul. This is something to think about.
As a mental exercise imagine that you were told to convert to satanism (possibly at gun point). That you need to renounce Christ, turn the Crucifix upside and declare allegiance to Satan. Could you do that? What would it take to do this?
This is how it feels to the extreme Islamafascist. They will fight tooth and nail for their religeon and their idea of heaven.
I am trying to remember why the Muslims did not continue to push their religeon after the last crusade. I suspect it is because enough people did not want to fight anymore. The warlike ones were killed off, the more peacefull and moderates were allowed to live. Maybe thats what is needed.
Wyrd on July 21, 2006 at 11:47 AM
BURKA BOMBING: Jihottie duty.
Dr. Charles G. Waugh on July 21, 2006 at 11:52 AM
dale,
i’d love to use the tags, but i’m too computer illiterate to figure it out. can you help? now i’m REALLY off to do shopping therapy.
pullingmyhairout on July 21, 2006 at 11:58 AM
wonderful vent michelle
When I was at UC Irvine those sort of protests were common with the muslims screaming support for Hamas and the right to kill Israelis. Of course that never raised an eyebrow. When it was the Zionist groups we were the ones who always received condemnation
Defector01 on July 21, 2006 at 12:03 PM
I live about five miles from Dearborn. I can guess where just about 7000 jihadis are heading right this moment –courtesy of our state dept.
There have already been large demonstrations there, ignored by the media. Add a few more Hizbollah to the mix and they may just burn the town down. Maybe, just maybe, they’ll get some unbiased coverage then.
mesablue on July 21, 2006 at 12:15 PM
It is not the Religion of ‘Peace’.
It is the Religion of ‘Piece’.
Translating into english can be so confusing sometimes…
;)
Lawrence on July 21, 2006 at 12:15 PM
First, Define “Innocent”. How is it that “civlians” who help support and hide terrorist can be considered innocent?
There are some true innocents in this conflict, most being under the age of 10.
HOWEVER, the Hezbollah are aslo killing “innocents”. Why is it that Hezbollah going into another country killing innocents isn’t a problem for you?
Lawrence on July 21, 2006 at 12:20 PM
The problem is we always seem to leave some alive, thinking that only the “radical” ones need to be killed. There are no moderates in this “religion of peace” muslims speak with forked tougue. They get up on the news shows and say they shouln’t be profiled, and that they are peaceful, but everyone of them backs what is happening. I for one am not afraid to say that every last muslim needs to be hunted down and killed. I would rather kill them all now then have them slowly kill my family members for generations to come because we tried to just get the “radicals”.
You don’t go in act like you mean business and then pull out wait another 30 years and do it again.
Gooch on July 21, 2006 at 12:23 PM
Excellent question.
First. This is not about annihilating a religiuos ideal. Never has been. No one prosecuting this ‘war’ has every claim such. This is, however, an argument hatched by those against the war to confuse the issue.
Second. We can not annihilate this ideal. Again, that has never been the goal. The goal is to take away the Jihadi’s ability to wage global terrorism. And this is we can do. Not easily, but is very possible.
Lawrence on July 21, 2006 at 12:24 PM
Sad fact is, most rabid “progressives” in this Country still think that Christians, Christianity, or any Bible focused religion is the real “enemy”, and that all these terrorists who are practicing the religion of Islam are just not getting appeased enough to leave us alone.
As ignorant as they are of Islamic history, and as stupid as they willfully are in wanting to believe that Islam is a “religion of peace”, it’s no wonder that they see the REAL threat to the world as Bible believing Christians who are anti homosexual marriage, anti unborn baby killing, along with real patriots who are pro 2nd Amendment and anti socialist idealogy.
They see no value in liberating those oppressed in the world IF it means anyone actually dying in the process, or money being spent to do it when we could spend tax money in so many better ways, like buying liberal votes and rebuilding nature destroyed cities that were under sea level to begin with.
Again, on a comparative scale measuring danger to the free world, it is pretty apparent that “progressive liberals”(read: mind numbed socialists and assorted whackos) are the second greatest danger this Nation faces, right after terrorists practicing the “religion of peace”.
Tell me, just exactly when in history, after 550 AD or so, was there NOT a Muslim war going on someplace in the world aimed at conquering someone for the sake of Islam?
NRA4Freedom on July 21, 2006 at 12:35 PM
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Lawrence on July 21, 2006 at 12:44 PM
This is fact. Yes.
But this is opinion. I believe your cause and affect argument illustrated here, are in direct opposition to the facts.
>>>
What is fact is that widespread and quick communication has actually served to reduce immediate war reactions such as what you describe.
Example: It is through widespread and quick communication that we have been able to avoid open warfare with Iran, even though Iran has been at war with us for 27 years.
It is through widespread and quick communication that the U.S. and Allies have served to keep Israel from pounding Syria and Iran into dust now.
What would have been “farsighted” about this issue is for people to understand that restraining Israel these past 30 years has actully served to prolong the conflict.
Depends on what you mean by “victorious”.
Again, depends on definition of unconventional. WWI/II where unconventional in the sense that we all employed new weapons and tactics. But conventional in the sense that it was one nation/army against another.
In this case, with Jihad Idealogies, we are not specifically fighting a nation state with a defined conventional type army. We are very much fighting a criminal element that exist within, but operates idependently from, the nation states which sponsor them.
This is very much “unconventional” war, and in no way comparable with WWI and WWII.
Lawrence on July 21, 2006 at 1:02 PM
It comes with the territory. During WWII everyone with a German sounding name-Goerring, for example-would be eyed with suspicion. It’s perfectly normal now to be suspicious of Arabic looking citizens, Muslims or, as I’ve written here, “Cubans” who speak better Arabic than Spanish.
I know a man who has been in this country for years. He’s from Algeria; I think he would be regarded as a ’secular’ Muslim, as he drinks and does many things which would get him killed under Shariah Law.
Since 9-11, he’s probably been viewed with a more suspicious eye, and I think that if he wants to continue to live here, pursuing the American dream, he’ll have to get used to that.
Even with that extra burden of suspicion, America promises him a much better life than he had in Algeria.
Doug on July 21, 2006 at 1:04 PM
pullingmyhairout,
i hope you didn’t take offense to my suggestion of using the quote tags; I wasn’t sure if you were aware of them or not.
dalewalt on July 21, 2006 at 1:09 PM
Thank you – I’m glad someone else is saying this now. Restraint in warfare does no good whatsoever if it prolongs the conflict, and it has certainly done so here. On a seperate (but related) matter, I think Iraq would be a lot calmer now had we used less restraint than we have so far.
I think its a mixture of conventional and unconventional. Certainly groups like al Qaeda and Hezbollah field unconventional armies and employ unconventional tactics. But we also have to remember that there are nation-states like Iran and Syria that offer support these organizations, and they too will have to be confronted.
And then of course, there is Hamas, which is the defacto government of the Palestinian “state” (for lack of a better word). They rely on unconventional tactics for sure, but on some level have to be treated as a state even if they are not recognized as such yet.
It is definitely a different war from WW’s I and II, and militarily it has mostly been fought unconventionally. But we will have to take on Syria and Iran sooner or later, and that will likely involve some conventional warfare.
Furthermore, even when fighting an unvconventional enemy, we cannot eschew all conventional tactics for the purpose of attempting to surgically strike the terrorists while avoiding the killing of “innocents” (who often times are not as innocent as we would wish to believe). That only ties our hands while giving the enemy more freedom of movement. Sooner or latter we are going to have to simply flatten a few cities as we did in Germany and Japan.
thirteen28 on July 21, 2006 at 1:25 PM
KCSteve wrote:
Islam was founded by a warlord, rapist and murderer. Mohammed is supposed to be the example of how a good muslim should behave. Islam has been a war cult from the beginning and still is to this day, very much unlike all the other world religions. The Christian crusades were a response to several hundred years of muslim aggression.
modifiedcontent on July 21, 2006 at 1:35 PM
He was also a pedophile.
thirteen28 on July 21, 2006 at 2:08 PM
Sorry dalewalt. Pittsburgh mosque investigation
jtdavies on July 21, 2006 at 2:10 PM
The problem with these terrorists (aside from being laboratory experiments gone wrong) is that they cannot find their place in the world.
They try to find answers in the Koran, but are unable to do so, so they decide that the best thing is to Jihad their way through life, striking out at anyone or any situation that does not conform to whatever is going on in their minds. Hence, a form of politico-religious Islam is born.
Many follow the dictates of the Koran strickly but cannot understand why the non-Islamic nations are far better off than their home countries. It is frustrating to them and tend not to take into account that their governments are repressive and want to keep them down trodden.
“Hey! I prey 5 times a day. I read the Koran constantly, follow Shariah Law, but I still find myself in a sea of camel dung! How is it that Israel, America, and the rest of the West is better off than I am?”
From here, the propaganda sets in and is easily digested.
Muslim expansion and conquest is not new. History has demonstrated this. Indeed, the Muslim Brotherhood has had desires on America since the 1920’s. Today, many believe that the establishment of a Caliphate is needed for salvation (that salvation allowing them to finally find their place in the world). The problem is, it will be a world from centuries ago if they succeed.
For me, the danger is quite clear. “Allah O Achbar” has become a phrase that justifies ANYTHING Islamic murders
want to do-AND NO ONE IS SAFE.
If you notice on some of the speeches that Imams give, many of them use the same tone of voice, the same loudness, and the same hand gestures that Adolph Hitler used. And notice the same dictate, that Islam will conquor the world, that Islam will rule. What ever happened for respect for other religions and that there is no compulsion to cause conversions? Have you ever noticed that when the armies of Iran, Syria, HezNOBALLSA, etc are marching, they tend to goose-step like the Nazis did? And Mein Kampf is a best seller in Iran.
The hatred, the jealousy, the envy, the complete failure to understand the differences between people, and the complete lack of will for self improvement and for self blame of their current condition, and lack of honesty among themselves will only fuel the evils of Islamic terrorism.
AN EVIL THAT MUST BE DESTROYED. FOR IT IS NOT A RELIGION THAT IS BEING FOUGHT, BUT A PRACTICE OF EVIL THAT IS BEING FOUGHT, A FIGHT THAT WE MUST NOT LOSE.
I refuse to wear a burka.
The False Dervish on July 21, 2006 at 2:30 PM
Well said, False Dervish. You know what you’re talking about.
Doug on July 21, 2006 at 2:46 PM
I don’t mean to criticize, Lawrence, but you’ve tangled yourself in split hairs.
If so, that presumes that immediate reaction is always active, which isn’t necessarily true. Often, it is passive – inaction. Equally, the long view may active or inactive. Whatever the response, response is more prudent than reaction.
Prevailing against an enemy or opponent.
The current conflict has its conventional components, as well. Moreover, “war by proxy” and guerilla warfare aren’t new things, either. What is unconventional, in part and in terms of our historical era, is that conventional militaries, for lack of a better term, are engaged in combat with guerilla proxies – a “new” blend, as it were. That said, I disagree with your contention that post-modern proxy guerillas are merely a criminal element within, yet independent of, established nation-states that finance, support and, in some cases, harbor them. In Western states, where this element hides, they might be considered criminal, but that’s not set in stone, either. Ergo, we’ve been presented with another layer to overcome – an indirect approach rather than a direct one – if we choose to play it that way. The choice is ours.
Really? Step into the Wayback Machine and you’ll find that there is absolutely nothing new under the sun, only the superficial changes.
Aunt B on July 21, 2006 at 3:06 PM
Professor B, thank you for your very kind words. Blather on, sir. ;->
Aunt B on July 21, 2006 at 3:09 PM
What a complex site HotAir is – one day it tasks us to solve global warming by jumping trampolines and the next it asks us to solve the global war on terror.
So many in the world play ostrich and haven’t internalized yet that it is a global war on terror. People who’ve lived in enslaved societies before, and those who generally embrace freedom and liberty, could never think/believe this way. It’s the utopian masses of the world (cosmopolitan elitist intellectuals, pacifists – includinding some religious freaks, the intellectually lazy, the naive, communists who haven’t learned a thing over time, socialists who haven’t either, John Kerry-likes and the BDS- and aADS-afflicted ones). BDS=Bush Derangement Syndrome and aADS=anti American Derangement Syndrome are both psychological phenomena and need an additional antidote, to the one on the war on terror.
There have indeed been only a few days without war since the known history of the World. I love the saying “If you wish for peace, prepare for war”.
The serious back and forth among quite a few of the good minds on this board is interesting and yet proves how complex this issue is. None have the answers and many are very partial and abstract. The populace of the world is either non- or ill-informed and very naively influenced by religious or other prejudices. History has taught us much but we ‘isn’t’ learning. One, if not the greatest, disappointment for me is that we, the human race, are not more advanced in our thinking. I feel more and more that our generation has lived the most advancing (I wanted to write ‘progressive’ and didn’t want to set on a puke) and prosperous of times, right after WWII and until 9/11/01. We shouldn’t give up, however. We should be realistic and inform and mobilize. Freedom is worth fighting for. ‘Better in a burka than dead’ is not a motto I could live with. I’d rather die.
I leave the war strategies, symmetrical or otherwise, to those who I hope know more about it. Sometimes I’m happy that we are not told everything about the world. I’m told by a source who knows that every U.S. President’s hair turns a bit grayer the moment he is handed over the job by the previous one.
On the information (call it propaganda if you wish) war, we are not winning because we approach it in such a half-hearted and idiotic way: let the media mis- or part-inform, have the ‘missing in action’ Karen Hughes (bright but not cosmopolitan and trusted enough) in charge, be too PC and UN-minded. All this multi- multi- is making me sick. Nothing gets done in the process and someone needs to lead.
Not all Muslims are islamofascists – see Indonesia, India, Thailand, Singapore, Malaysia and many in the U.S. Yes, some are and they are very bad, but we make a mistake to put them all in the same bucket. Many I know live like you and me, have the same aspirations, and are scared witless to speak up. Having lived in communism myself, I know, I know. I never joined the party there but I sure kept my mouth shut. One thing must be considered – destroying the schools and the imams who teach the kids this hatred. And helping their parents out of the desperate and ‘nothing left to lose’ lives, so that they send kids to these schools, proudly.
And yes, I’m prepared for your peppering – the U.S. hasn’t always been a fair broker, when it could or should be. I’m for a free and defended Israel. I’m also for independent Palestinian people. I’m for free people everywhere. Pat Buchanon is wrong and so is Bill Kristol. There is a path in between that would do the world a lot of good. Only the U.S. can and should use that path because the rest of the world is too selfish and spineless to do so. And Europe and the ROW covertly resents the Jews. None will admit overtly but wach the international media and those governments. Ex. Zapatero (just looking at this prima dona makes me puke).
And lastly, while I respect all religions, including one’s righ to not have one, there are sedition laws which surpass religion. A country is still above politics and religion, something so many, especially the left here and in Europe, have forgotten.
I am hopeful though. Many great evils have been or self-destroyed over time. This one will too. We need to educate, fight, keep all options open, be resolute and never give up!
Entelechy on July 21, 2006 at 3:44 PM
pullingmyhairout,
i hope you didn’t take offense to my suggestion of using the quote tags; I wasn’t sure if you were aware of them or not.
dalewalt on July 21, 2006 at 1:09 PM
no offense taken. lets see if i can manage the tag thing.
pullingmyhairout on July 21, 2006 at 4:19 PM
ok, it didn’t work. can’t figure out the tag thing, again. i highlighted what I wanted to quote, then clicked “close tags” nothing happens in my little typy screen thing. feel free to call me the village idiot.
pullingmyhairout on July 21, 2006 at 4:21 PM
PMHO,
Highlight what you’d like to quote and click on the “quote” tab.
Aunt B on July 21, 2006 at 4:36 PM
Don’t misinterpret this as some kind of idiotic liberal defense of barbarians, but I’d prefer that the government not get too involved in the approval & disapproval of specific religions. Janet (Big Jack) Reno didn’t approve of a small religious group in Waco. They were a bit strange, those Branch Davidians, so they had to be eliminated. Always remember that. It can happen here, it has and your religion may be on Hillary’s sh** list. Be careful of what you ask for. Who knows? Do Methodists get along with Baptists?
wcarr on July 21, 2006 at 5:00 PM
PMHO,
Here is another set of instructions (don’t give up – we all learn all the time :)
1. Log in
2. Click on the ‘quote’ tab
3. type what you wish to quote from another source, or ‘copy’ and ‘paste’ from another source
4. Click on the ‘quote’ tab again (Don’t worry if you see those extra letters/signs)
5. If desired, continue to type your own comments
6. Click the ’submit comment’ button
This is more detailed but I truly wish to help you. Give it another try (and try again and again until you succeed – it will make you smile).
Entelechy on July 21, 2006 at 5:02 PM
ok, here goes nothing:
By george, I think I got it!! thanks guys for the help.
xoxo
pullingmyhairout on July 21, 2006 at 5:09 PM
YEEEE HAA!! it posted. now, on to other matters. thanks michelle, bryan and allah for indulging me on the tag thing.
xoxo
pullingmyhairout on July 21, 2006 at 5:10 PM
wcarr,
no one gets along with the baptists. They’ve hosed up too many drinkin’ laws ;-)
-FOG
Fogpig on July 21, 2006 at 5:47 PM
well said wcarr… this has been a most interesting Vent and blog-session today… btw: i’m a methodist, i thought we got along w/ everybody ;-)
angry_mike on July 21, 2006 at 6:39 PM
I know a LOT of closet Baptists. he he he he.
That was my point exactly. we just can’t go around and censor certain groups because we don’t agree with them. that just goes against my grain.
pullingmyhairout on July 21, 2006 at 6:53 PM
Even if that group openly advocates the destruction of the US and the death of anyone that disagrees with them?
jcon96 on July 21, 2006 at 7:10 PM
Great posts all.
Here is something else to consider, especially when a liberal brings up how bloody the christians are.
In the bible it says “though shalt not suffer a witch to live”
I think their are a few other quotes like that one, but not in a position to look them up.
And this is true. Up untill 150 years or so ago witches were convicted in an American court and sentenced to death by American judges.
How is this differnece then Islam’s honor killings?
I answered a liberal at the bar the other day, and she may never talk to me again (thank god).
The answer is
“Christianity has evolved beyond that stage. Islam is not only stuck their, but many Muslims glory in it and have made death to those who break the law of allah a prime tenant of their religeon”
If you can rid of the extreme Mulsims then the moderate ones may also evolve past the bloody part and become a religeon of peace, much the same way as Judeasim, Christianity, or Buddhism.
Wyrd on July 21, 2006 at 7:31 PM
JCON,
I think what wcarr and I were referring to is this quote from an earlier post:
If you read all of the posts, I think you’ll find that I am in no way advocating for any group that openly calls for the destruction of the U.S. What we were referring to was one poster who thought it might be a great idea to curtail religious expression as a way to fight terrorism at its root. THAT is what goes against my grain, my friend.
xoxo
pullingmyhairout on July 21, 2006 at 7:31 PM
Thank you for the clarification. I admit I did not read in depth all the posts. I thought you were having a liberal moment “Hairy” :) Okay, on with the show!
jcon96 on July 21, 2006 at 9:02 PM
OK, I’m probably about to make a whole lotta people mad at me, but here it goes. I don’t get the concept of a “global war on terror.” How is it possible to annihilate a religious ideal (like jihad)? let me explain: in WWI and WWII, we had discernible enemies. They had a country, uniforms, etc. We bombed them to kingdom come and they surrendered. end of war. these terrorists live and breathe this jihad idea that they must destroy the infidel. they have no country, no uniform, basically, nothing for us to destroy – and, they just don’t give a damn if everything around them is destroyed because their endgame is a muslim world.
So, this is where I’m going to make people mad: how is it that we (being the U.S. and any other civilized nation) can go into a country to rid it of these evil people without destroying the lives of so many innocents?
I just don’t think it’s going to work. The more we wage war and the more we appease, the more we embolden them to continue their fight against the western world. It’s an endless circle. I don’t know what the answer is, but realistically, do you REALLY think it’s possible to fight them to the death?
And, what do you suggest we do with the lovelies who live in our midst? What if they are u.s. citizens? what then?
pullingmyhairout on July 21, 2006 at 10:14 AM
Probably been said… But if we do nothing?????
R D on July 22, 2006 at 2:06 AM
OK! That didn’t work right.
RE: pullingmyhairout:
What if we did nothing????
R D on July 22, 2006 at 2:11 AM
I can’t even begin to comment on this… it is just so completely disturbing… I feel like I’m going to puke.
rahjr2k on July 22, 2006 at 4:27 AM
As with freedom of speech, we cannot allow a religion that keeps yelling fire in a crowded theater to exist. By eliminating these radical elements from our country we will be safeguarding the lives of innocents.
I understand the argument about inflamming others to action, but I think it is a blind alley. By removing the radicals who are proposing the killing of those who won’t be slaves to their ideology while allowing peace loving Muslims [there must be a few] to follow the American dream we prove that better alternatives do exist. We cannot turn a blind eye to these terrorists. To ignore them is akin to sitting on a ticking time bomb. Tick, tick, tick …
Fighting this war is like playing the lottery in that you cannot win if you don’t try, but you definitely lose if you don’t play.
DannoJyd on July 22, 2006 at 4:48 AM
R D, I don’t know the answer. I wish we could pull out our magic wand, wave it and make it all go away. alas, that is not possible.
no liberal moments from me! :)
off to the beach. it’s a beautiful day in South Texas!!
pullingmyhairout on July 22, 2006 at 11:21 AM
I’ve posted some of this elsewhere, but if fits in this thread too.
The ideology of the islamists who follow what the Koran tells them to is like a cancer. You don’t sit an watch something that might be destroying your body for long. If it looks destructive, you get it out, then ask questions later. The longer you wait, the more likely you are to be in a situation where removing the cancer will also kill the patient.
What long term benefit for the world in the long range plan of the muslim faith? As Bryan points out, they are excellent and patient strategists — but for what purpose? My fears for them are not just prejudicial speculations. Their “holy” book says I must die, my family and countyry must be destroyed. Their leaders continue to express thier intention to destroy not only Israel my my country as well. Their actions confirm their intent to carry out this plan.
We are way past preemptive strike time. It is time to neutralize the cancer — decisively. Every handwringing day that we deliberate only increases the destruction of the rest of the world will by to iradicate the cancer from the rest of the world’s societies.
Pullingmyhairout, the longer we let the cancer grow, the more the world suffers when we finally decide it needs to come out. You try to eradicate cancer by preventing it, but when it is already there, you try to find it at its earlist stage.
We have a stage three cancer metastasized all over the world and the leftists are still trying get us to rub flaxseed oil on it and avoid the “toxic medicine” of war
CountryDoc on July 22, 2006 at 3:00 PM
LOL…
That guy said they will rule America and GB and all the world one day.
That is laughable. These people will only bring death to themselves and those Muslims that are truly innocent. And they will only keep their women as stupid as can be… i.e. one of their main problems.
ar_basin on July 22, 2006 at 3:29 PM
County Doc,
Fantastic analogy!
At our local Catholic church the priest was falling all over himself praying for peace in the Middle East instead of praying for victory for our side and the poor soldiers who have to do the fighting. Granted, I don’t expect clergy to brandish machine guns, a la the mullahs, but a decent awareness of what is at stake here would be nice.
Margaret McC on July 23, 2006 at 12:31 PM
Country Doc,
Fantastic analogy!
Our local Catholic priest was falling all over himself praying for peace in the Middle East instead of praying for victory for our side and the soldiers who must do the fighting. I don’t expect the clergy to brandish machine guns, a la the mullahs, but a decent respect for what is at stake would be nice.
Margaret McC on July 23, 2006 at 12:35 PM
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