Greenwald’s defense: Musical Chairs?

posted at 11:02 am on July 21, 2006 by Bryan

Our crack research staff at Hot Air World Headquarters has put together the Mother of All Timelines (er, until someone makes a longer one covering more than one day) that shows something very interesting with regard to the allegation that lefty blogger Glenn Greenwald has been a sock puppeteer.

The allegation: Glenn Greenwald has posed as at least five different people on conservative blogs in order to defend himself from criticism and puff up his own image.

The evidence: Blog commentors defending Greenwald on Patterico, Protein Wisdom, Ace of Spades and Riehl World called “Ryan”, “Ellison”, “Sam Mathews”, “Wilson”, and “Thomas Ellers”, all share the same unique IP address (wrong–”Sam” was on an AOL IP–glad we’ve cleared that up–ed), an address owned by none other than Glenn Greenwald. This at least puts all five commentors, who tend to use similar language and writing patterns to defend Greenwald, inside Greenwald’s Brazil domicile. Either we have a South American, internet-obsessed commune centered on an American ex-pat who likes to lecture Americans on how to be patriots, or we have someone–not necessarily Greenwald, yet–assuming several false fronts to defend and praise Greenwald. If it’s Greenwald, we have dishonesty and, let’s be frank here, a bizarre and unhealthy interest in defending oneself from criticism while inflating the appearance of one’s importance and following by conjuring up an army of defenders out of thin air.

The defense: Someone else in the house may have created all those identities to defend Greenwald, but Greenwald insists that he didn’t do it.

The rub: If it’s not Greenwald, then who is it? Do we have one of those bad “the call is coming from upstairs!” situations going on here, or has Greenwald merely removed himself a step from sock puppetry by enlisting someone who lives with him to defend him under assumed identities?

Here’s where the Hot Air crack research staff comes in. Check out this timeline, not yet adjusted for time differences:

On July 17,

“Ryan” posted a comment to Dan Riehl’s blog at 4:31 am (Pacific Daylight Time?)
here.

“Ryan” posted a comment to Dan Riehl’s blog at 9:42 am (Pacific Daylight Time?)
here.

Glenn Greenwald posted a post to his own blog at 10:22 am Brazil time
here.

Glenn Greenwald posted a post to his own blog at 12:20 pm Brazil time
here.

Glenn Greenwald posted a comment to his own blog at 1:13 pm Brazil time
scroll down at: here.

Glenn Greenwald posted a comment to his own blog at 1:28 pm Brazil time
scroll down at here.

Sam Mathews posted a comment to Dan Riehl’s blog at 3:39 pm (Pacific Daylight Time?)
here.

Glenn Greenwald posted a comment to his own blog at 4:41 pm Brazil time
scroll down at here.

Glenn Greenwald posted a comment to his own blog at 5:08 pm Brazil time
here.

Glenn Greenwald posted a comment to his own blog at 7:19 pm Brazil time
scroll down at here.

Brazil time is an hour ahead of US Eastern. Pacific is three hours behind US Eastern. We’re assuming that Riehl World is on Pacific Daylight time. So let’s adjust our clocks and take another look.

“Ryan” posted a comment to Dan Riehl’s blog at 8:31 am Brazil time
here.

Glenn Greenwald posted a post to his own blog at 10:22 am Brazil time
here.

Glenn Greenwald posted a post to his own blog at 12:20 pm Brazil time
here.

Glenn Greenwald posted a comment to his own blog at 1:13 pm Brazil time
scroll down at: here.

Glenn Greenwald posted a comment to his own blog at 1:28 pm Brazil time
scroll down here.

“Ryan” posted a comment to Dan Riehl’s blog at 1:42 pm Brazil time
here.

Glenn Greenwald posted a comment to his own blog at 4:41 pm Brazil time
scroll down at here.

Glenn Greenwald posted a comment to his own blog at 5:08 pm Brazil time
scroll down at here.

Glenn Greenwald posted a comment to his own blog at 7:19 pm Brazil time
scroll down at here.

Sam Mathews posted a comment to Dan Riehl’s blog at 7:39 pm Brazil time
here.

Feel free to check our work; I have more confidence in the crack research staff than in my own ability to get all the links right.

As you can see, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, Greenwald and “Ryan” and “Sam Mathews” have all posted to Greenwald’s blog and to Riehl World within minutes of one another. Ace has a shorter timeline from Patterico and his own site, demonstrating pretty much the same thing–Greenwald and a proxy posting within minutes of one another.

Perhaps Greenwald and his fellow Brazil commune denizens were playing a game of musical chairs between Greenwald composing posts on his own blog, the winner getting a few minutes to go online and defend Greenwald from those rapscallions of the right who were so viciously attacking him. Perhaps.

Or perhaps Greenwald really is just a sock puppeteer, inventing names to deflect critics and prop up his own ego.

What say you?

Update: Why do we care about this? Honestly, this is only the second post on Greenwald I’ve ever written, the first being the initial sock puppet post. As a typical lefty, I don’t find him particularly enlightening or interesting, as he’s more content to wage war on Bush than on jihad. Been there, read that. But he’s a blogger whose writings lecture everyone else on civility, honesty and the like, yet it turns out he’s engaging in this dishonest sock puppet devilry. Just like his book on how to be an American patriot turns out to be the work of an ex-pat living in Brazil. Etc. He’s a bit of a gasbag and a hypocrite.

Anywho, we’ve done a bit more digging and come up with this:

7/12/06 “Ellison” “Wilson” left a comment at Protein Wisdom at 7:23 pm. Is that in the Mountain Time Zone? If so, I believe that’s 10:23 pm Brazil time.

7/12/06: Greenwald publishes this blog post at 3:56 pm (presumably Brazil time):

then follows up with comments in his own name on the above post at
5 09 pm brazil time
5 27 pm brazil time
5 29 pm brazil time
7 50 pm brazil time
7 54 pm brazil time
9 35 pm brazil time
9 38 pm brazil time
10 44 pm brazil time

So GG got off his computer after his 9:38 pm post. Then someone else got on and posted as “Ellison” at 10:23 pm. Then that person got off the computer, and GG started posting again at 10:44 pm.

Another round of musical chairs!

Update: We may need to make some adjustments to the timeline based on time zones, and we now have two IPs involved, but frankly GG could have the multiple computer defense on his side anyway. If he has more than one computer attached to a single IP (most people who have broadband and more than one computer in their house get onto the internet through a router, so all of the machines will have the same IP going out) he can claim simultaneous posts on his site and others without playing musical chairs. It’s just multiple writers on multiple computers. It strains credulity, but it’s possible.

But the style argument still holds up no matter how many computers are in GG’s house, and the best explanation of that is at Confederate Yankee.

Update: Alright, we have a revised timeline. Sam Mathews is out since he’s on an AOL IP, and Riehl’s timestamps have been adjusted to Eastern time.

“Ryan” posted a comment to Dan Riehl’s blog at 5:31 am brazil time
here.

Glenn Greenwald posted a post to his own blog at 10:22 am Brazil time
here.

“Ryan” posted a comment to Dan Riehl’s blog at 10:42 am brazil time
here.

Glenn Greenwald posted a post to his own blog at 12:20 pm Brazil time
here.

Glenn Greenwald posted a comment to his own blog at 1:13 pm Brazil time
scroll down at: here.

Glenn Greenwald posted a comment to his own blog at 1:28 pm Brazil time
scroll down at here.

Glenn Greenwald posted a comment to his own blog at 4:41 pm Brazil time
scroll down at here.

Glenn Greenwald posted a comment to his own blog at 5:08 pm Brazil time
here.

Glenn Greenwald posted a comment to his own blog at 7:19 pm Brazil time
scroll down at here.

So now we have a 20-minute gap between “Ryan” and Glenn, using the same IP. It’s possible even if there’s only one computer in the house, etc.

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I find all this a little weird; partly due to the extensive coverage here and on Ace’s site. But mostly because of Greenwald. How absolutely messed up in the head do you have to be to assume names and defend yourself on blog sites?

I’m honestly not trying to defend Greenwald here; but what is the difference between using one fake name (like most everyone that posts) and using many? Aren’t you still a fake?

Before you all flame me: Yes, I realize that is not really the point, afterall… Greenwald uses fake names when he is trying to “puff himself up”. So that is a huge difference. He presents himself, using his real name, then logs in using fake one’s and says all kinds of nice things about himself. Those of you who don’t use your real names would never run into this due to the fact that you are hiding all the time anyway. None of that however takes away from the fact that this Greenwald guy seems to be a dishonest jackass, because I have no reason to believe that the reporting here and at Ace’s site is inaccurate.

So my real question is: Why does this matter? Have you not come to expect this kind of crap from his like? People like Greenwald should be exposed then ignored… not continually given attention. An obsessive person like him thrives on all forms of attention, even negative. I guess I am just scared you guys are feeding this mentally unstable moron without realizing it. Or maybe I’m just sick of seeing his name.

Regardless, accurate and extensive reporting as usual. Good job guys. Maybe other people like him will see the exposure and not try the same crap. You should hope that is the case otherwise all this coverage is for not.

Cary on July 21, 2006 at 11:56 AM

Anybody who is as extremely far left as that guy yet claims to be “center-left” is already dishonest. This is just the proof in the pudding, so to speak.

RH

RobertHuntingdon on July 21, 2006 at 12:02 PM

I think it’s toe socks, and Glenn is just the big toe, not necessarily knowing what all the other toes on his sock are up to.

He should see about getting an appointment with Dr. Scholl, and maybe another with Dr. Phil. Something needs diagnosis.

Anyone else having trouble getting to Ace’s place?

Pablo on July 21, 2006 at 12:02 PM

Watch it Pablo, Sgt Hulka has dibs on big-toe status.

bbz123 on July 21, 2006 at 12:06 PM

Wow. You people really need to turn off the computer and get lives. It’s pretty sad that this is all you have against this guy.

It’s only a matter of time before one of you sociopaths posts satellite photos of his house, endorses his “fragging,” and creates a t-shirt saying “Rope. Tree. Glen. Some Assembly Required.”

better off blue on July 21, 2006 at 12:24 PM

He may try to claim his ‘wireless’ network has been hacked. Imagine, Brazilian Nuts driving around and finding Greenwalds inviting free on-line service just waiting for their posting pleasure. And somehow, all of the aforementioned hacks just happen to have American/English names…and THINK the same as GiGi…. Thats quite a coincidence.
In hacking and narcissism, there are no co-incidences, bi-polar puppet is all we have here.

BUT…I hear voices. I’m sure you do GG.

shooter on July 21, 2006 at 12:26 PM

Actually, bob, it’s:

Sock. Greenwald. Puppet.
No assembly required.

Pablo on July 21, 2006 at 12:26 PM

And there he is, right on cue – better off blue to the rescue – hey, that rhymes – should have been a poet, but that would mean I’d have to be a lefty, like the bluester.

Rick on July 21, 2006 at 12:28 PM

Does GiGi have a ‘colorful’ relative?

shooter on July 21, 2006 at 12:33 PM

BoB shows up to defend liberals against the indefensible–it’s like clockwork I tell ya.

Bryan on July 21, 2006 at 12:35 PM

No offense, mate … but I can’t believe you spent all that time on that.

The truth is blisteringly obvious. They’re all Greenwald. It takes a special kind of Kool-Aid to reach any other conclusion. His denial is about as convincing as John Kerry’s “war record.”

Mr. Greenjeans isn’t worth wasting your time on. He’s a hack and a fraud, and he knows it … and I think most of his readers at least suspect it. No matter what they say publicly.

More Michelle on trampolines, please. Alternatively, she could jump up and down on Greenwald. Or one of his many “roommates.”

Professor Blather on July 21, 2006 at 12:36 PM

Hi, BetterOffBlue! Any word on your military record yet? (I ask for the 43rd time …)

Hey, BoB … what do YOU think? Do you honestly believe Greenwald? Or do you actually have a little common sense in you?

Inquiring minds want to know. And feel free to answer either of the above questions.

Or continue the usual hiding and dodging. You shure R qute!

Professor Blather on July 21, 2006 at 12:38 PM

It’s pretty sad that this is all you have against this guy.

It’s even sadder that this is all you can muster for a defense, and saddest of all that you are trying to defend him.

I can’t figure out why I am laughing so hard with all this sadness around me, I guess I really am a prick.

B Moe on July 21, 2006 at 12:44 PM

All the people coming through my firewall in my house look like they have the same IP as well. Does he live with all these people?

shirgall on July 21, 2006 at 12:45 PM

Sorry, didn’t mean to be insensitive by assuming BoB is a male – oops.

Rick on July 21, 2006 at 12:46 PM

I am NOT a Glenn Greenwald Sock Puppet…but only in this dimension.

pjcomix on July 21, 2006 at 12:54 PM

I’m with Professor Blather on his suggestion, we need a Malkin/Coulter/Melanie Morgan trampoline contest!

bbz123 on July 21, 2006 at 1:00 PM

Actually, on my blog I had a bit of this. I banned a commenter who was attacking others personally. Turns out the guy is probably manic-depressive, and in the manic state he was pretty nuts. He started posting at a few friends sites under different names, but with the same language and comments. Sad.
Be the same person you are on blogs as you are in real life.
Except wittier. Please.

Doug on July 21, 2006 at 1:14 PM

Ms. BoB (note that I didn’t address you with “you people”,

- Clue #1 – This site is called HotAir.
- Clue #2 – It’s meant to post and discuss the hot air coming from your side.
- Clue #3 – It’s also meant to be witty and lighthearted at times.

With a handle of ‘better off blue’ I should have known that you are clueless.

P.S. You and all who have access to the Internet can download the satellite photos and address of anyone’s home across the globe; quit obsessing about that.

P.P.S. You must really reach deep for atonement because you seek routine punishment from this board.

Entelechy on July 21, 2006 at 1:18 PM

The name used on my site was “Wilson” not “Ellison.”

A fake gmail address was used. I’d be interested to see how many of the other identities used a *****@gmail.com address.

Jeff G on July 21, 2006 at 1:22 PM

Thanks Jeff–I’ve corrected it.

Bryan on July 21, 2006 at 1:28 PM

Well,you know,Cynthia McKinney has been AWOL all week from her regular job, maybe she took a little trip to Brazil?

bbz123 on July 21, 2006 at 1:59 PM

No bbz123, she’s in Cordoba, Argentina, visiting with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez and Cindy Sheehan :)

What a foursome!

Entelechy on July 21, 2006 at 2:03 PM

Hi. This is Professor Blather’s dog. My name is Rex. I think Professor Blather is the smartest, coolest guy ever. Hold on. The other dog has something to say. Hi. It’s me, Ellie. I agree. Professor Blather is brilliant. Very handsome, too. Just a sec. That hamster wants to speak. Er, squeak. Hi. I’m Hammy. I’m a hamster. We all share this computer when Professor Blather isn’t looking. Anybody who disagrees with Professor Blather is a poopy-head.

P.S. This is not Professor Blather. And he doesn’t know we know how to type.

P.P.S. I’d let the cat say a few words, but he only speaks Portuguese. So how could he type in a blog? That’s just silly.

Professor Blather on July 21, 2006 at 3:44 PM

He may try to claim his ‘wireless’ network has been hacked.

My thought exactly. He’s being framed by Pro-Republican ex-pats hiding near his house and stealing his bandwidth. That’s got to be it.

High Desert Wanderer on July 21, 2006 at 3:44 PM

HDW, he’s framed by Karl Rove.

Professor Blather, you shoud be considered by MM to join the HotAir executive team.

Entelechy on July 21, 2006 at 3:55 PM

FWIW, it seems like some if not all of the sites in the mu.nu collective (including Ace of Spades and Confederate Yankee) are down. No idea of it is a server-related issue or a DNS attack or something else.

I question the timing, and the whereabouts of “Wilson.”

Bob Owens on July 21, 2006 at 4:19 PM

It is not the sock puppetry you have to worry about it, it is the absentee ballot that each receives….

rw on July 21, 2006 at 6:20 PM

Prof B: that was my laugh of the day!

You know, it could be that GG doesnt “know” all the personalities posting. We have all heard of “Sybil“..just a thought!

labwrs on July 21, 2006 at 6:29 PM

Well I happen to know that GG is a sterling fellow of impeccable character and would NEVER have anything to do with sock puppetry unless it also had something to do with genital wrestling…

heldmyw on July 21, 2006 at 11:39 PM