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		<title>By: Vanya</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/07/19/vote-ordont/comment-page-1/#comment-29535</link>
		<dc:creator>Vanya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How to increase voter turnout? How about voting directly on issues? You probably wouldn&#039;t like the results of that either, since you&#039;re in the minority on most of them.

In Oregon they have vote-by-mail. It works well. No hanging chads, no computers to hack, no butterfly ballots. Increases voter turnout. Oh, wait, that&#039;s not good for conservatives either. Oh well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How to increase voter turnout? How about voting directly on issues? You probably wouldn&#8217;t like the results of that either, since you&#8217;re in the minority on most of them.</p>
<p>In Oregon they have vote-by-mail. It works well. No hanging chads, no computers to hack, no butterfly ballots. Increases voter turnout. Oh, wait, that&#8217;s not good for conservatives either. Oh well.</p>
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		<title>By: Entelechy</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/07/19/vote-ordont/comment-page-1/#comment-29433</link>
		<dc:creator>Entelechy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 01:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>alyce, no one asks for IDs in California.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alyce, no one asks for IDs in California.</p>
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		<title>By: alyce</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/07/19/vote-ordont/comment-page-1/#comment-29432</link>
		<dc:creator>alyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 01:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Vent Michelle,
Hey can anyone tell me if it&#039;s true that Georgia and another state doesn&#039;t require ID&#039;s to vote ?
I think everyone should have a piece of ID with a picture and info on it..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Vent Michelle,<br />
Hey can anyone tell me if it&#8217;s true that Georgia and another state doesn&#8217;t require ID&#8217;s to vote ?<br />
I think everyone should have a piece of ID with a picture and info on it..</p>
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		<title>By: Entelechy</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/07/19/vote-ordont/comment-page-1/#comment-29421</link>
		<dc:creator>Entelechy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...for the Illinois and Washington state commenters, I forgot to add (...and if one is not dead), in all seriousness...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;for the Illinois and Washington state commenters, I forgot to add (&#8230;and if one is not dead), in all seriousness&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: austinnelly</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/07/19/vote-ordont/comment-page-1/#comment-29420</link>
		<dc:creator>austinnelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I the only one waiting to see which liberal troll is going to start shrieking that Michelle Malkin is attempting to suppress the vote?  Or did someone ban Vanya and his ilk while I was in Germany?  Great vent...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only one waiting to see which liberal troll is going to start shrieking that Michelle Malkin is attempting to suppress the vote?  Or did someone ban Vanya and his ilk while I was in Germany?  Great vent&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Entelechy</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/07/19/vote-ordont/comment-page-1/#comment-29418</link>
		<dc:creator>Entelechy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While all of Michelle&#039;s vents are interesting and &#039;bitey&#039;, I agree with Richard Karnes, that encouraging voting in this country will be detrimental to conservatives (see the Herculean effort to enlist legal and illegal Latinos to vote this Nov., almost as a threat to those not working on the immigration bill).

Promising to rob Peter to pay Paul, will always garner Paul votes in the long run - result what Romeo13 wrote.

thirteen28 and Pistolero are absolutely right - no one who doesn&#039;t pay taxes should have a right to vote! I can feel the ACLU coming already...

While many countries in Europe and Central- and South-America have mandatory voting laws, and some ask citizens to not drink a couple of days before voting (Mexico), we should stick to our not-so-perfect system.

Education and success in life are the only two factors which enlighten citizens/voters, ultimately.

Sad, but true, voting against someone or for the &#039;lesser of two evils&#039; is often still better than not voting (if one is legal, can prove so, pays taxes and is half-way capable of discerning).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While all of Michelle&#8217;s vents are interesting and &#8216;bitey&#8217;, I agree with Richard Karnes, that encouraging voting in this country will be detrimental to conservatives (see the Herculean effort to enlist legal and illegal Latinos to vote this Nov., almost as a threat to those not working on the immigration bill).</p>
<p>Promising to rob Peter to pay Paul, will always garner Paul votes in the long run &#8211; result what Romeo13 wrote.</p>
<p>thirteen28 and Pistolero are absolutely right &#8211; no one who doesn&#8217;t pay taxes should have a right to vote! I can feel the ACLU coming already&#8230;</p>
<p>While many countries in Europe and Central- and South-America have mandatory voting laws, and some ask citizens to not drink a couple of days before voting (Mexico), we should stick to our not-so-perfect system.</p>
<p>Education and success in life are the only two factors which enlighten citizens/voters, ultimately.</p>
<p>Sad, but true, voting against someone or for the &#8216;lesser of two evils&#8217; is often still better than not voting (if one is legal, can prove so, pays taxes and is half-way capable of discerning).</p>
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		<title>By: redcard</title>
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		<dc:creator>redcard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Vent, Michelle!

Here in Atlanta, we&#039;re no strangers to the abysmal choices some voters insist on making - Cynthia McKinney, anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Vent, Michelle!</p>
<p>Here in Atlanta, we&#8217;re no strangers to the abysmal choices some voters insist on making &#8211; Cynthia McKinney, anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty Bill</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/07/19/vote-ordont/comment-page-1/#comment-29406</link>
		<dc:creator>Rusty Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>romeo13, at 2:14pm, said, in reference to &lt;em&gt;Starship Troopers&lt;/em&gt; by Heinlein:

&lt;blockquote&gt;wonder if he may not have an idea which will make a democracy work.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Look for a copy of Heinlein&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Take Back Your Government&lt;/em&gt; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wegrokit.com/take_back_your_government.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wegrokit.com&lt;/a&gt;).

BTW, I like to consider myself an informed citizen; the fact that I read Michelle should attest to that. However, I have rarely found anyone that I could, in good conscience, vote &lt;em&gt;for&lt;/em&gt;; nearly all votes that I have cast have been votes &lt;em&gt;against&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>romeo13, at 2:14pm, said, in reference to <em>Starship Troopers</em> by Heinlein:</p>
<blockquote><p>wonder if he may not have an idea which will make a democracy work.</p></blockquote>
<p>Look for a copy of Heinlein&#8217;s <em>Take Back Your Government</em> (<a href="http://www.wegrokit.com/take_back_your_government.htm" rel="nofollow">wegrokit.com</a>).</p>
<p>BTW, I like to consider myself an informed citizen; the fact that I read Michelle should attest to that. However, I have rarely found anyone that I could, in good conscience, vote <em>for</em>; nearly all votes that I have cast have been votes <em>against</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Karnes</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/07/19/vote-ordont/comment-page-1/#comment-29401</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Karnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;/strong&gt;
Michele, I love you, (NOT in a Stalker Way)

I’ve been telling people for years not to encourage voting. If you would like to help, encourage people to read the United States Constitution, The Federalist Papers. Or a news paper (not the New York Times). 

If you want to influence those around you encourage them to educate themselves. 

Specify places they can find relevent information.

When you have discussions with friends, insist that sources of information are verifyable. (Anyone who objects is a lost cause)

Above all make sure you can site sources of information. If your unable to do so, you might as well say “your just following your heart” and that’s stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michele, I love you, (NOT in a Stalker Way)</p>
<p>I’ve been telling people for years not to encourage voting. If you would like to help, encourage people to read the United States Constitution, The Federalist Papers. Or a news paper (not the New York Times). </p>
<p>If you want to influence those around you encourage them to educate themselves. </p>
<p>Specify places they can find relevent information.</p>
<p>When you have discussions with friends, insist that sources of information are verifyable. (Anyone who objects is a lost cause)</p>
<p>Above all make sure you can site sources of information. If your unable to do so, you might as well say “your just following your heart” and that’s stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Chief1942</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/07/19/vote-ordont/comment-page-1/#comment-29394</link>
		<dc:creator>Chief1942</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a resident of Arizona, I know specifically who this approach is targeted at. They are the last persons we need having input into who runs this nation. With all the kooky ideas and approaches to getting citizens to the polls, I am waiting for that free trip to Disneyland for simply doing my civic duty. Folks, it&#039;s all part of the &quot;entitlement&quot; mentality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a resident of Arizona, I know specifically who this approach is targeted at. They are the last persons we need having input into who runs this nation. With all the kooky ideas and approaches to getting citizens to the polls, I am waiting for that free trip to Disneyland for simply doing my civic duty. Folks, it&#8217;s all part of the &#8220;entitlement&#8221; mentality.</p>
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		<title>By: CrazyFool</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/07/19/vote-ordont/comment-page-1/#comment-29374</link>
		<dc:creator>CrazyFool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent Vent.  Here in the Peoples Republic of Washington (state) the Dead, Felons, and Imaginary Friends voted in our current (democrat) Governor literally.

Personally I think if you can&#039;t get off your lazy ass and vote at a polling PLACE then you shouldn&#039;t vote.  Unless someone has a physical disability OR is physically out of the state they should be REQUIRED TO VOTE AT A POLLING PLACE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent Vent.  Here in the Peoples Republic of Washington (state) the Dead, Felons, and Imaginary Friends voted in our current (democrat) Governor literally.</p>
<p>Personally I think if you can&#8217;t get off your lazy ass and vote at a polling PLACE then you shouldn&#8217;t vote.  Unless someone has a physical disability OR is physically out of the state they should be REQUIRED TO VOTE AT A POLLING PLACE.</p>
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		<title>By: Yiddish Steel</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/07/19/vote-ordont/comment-page-1/#comment-29370</link>
		<dc:creator>Yiddish Steel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m 37 years old.  I&#039;ve neer missed voting in &lt;em&gt;any&lt;/em&gt; election since I turned 18 and registered to vote for the first time.  Michelle, you need to submit this as a P.S.A. for local and national T.V. broadcast commercial breaks.  There are enough stupid people out there that are too apathetically ambivolant to vote.  We &lt;strong&gt;most certainly DO NOT&lt;/strong&gt; need them turning out on electioni day because someone promised them some free hempwear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m 37 years old.  I&#8217;ve neer missed voting in <em>any</em> election since I turned 18 and registered to vote for the first time.  Michelle, you need to submit this as a P.S.A. for local and national T.V. broadcast commercial breaks.  There are enough stupid people out there that are too apathetically ambivolant to vote.  We <strong>most certainly DO NOT</strong> need them turning out on electioni day because someone promised them some free hempwear.</p>
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		<title>By: Romeo13</title>
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		<dc:creator>Romeo13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MalkinFan...

SALUTE! to your daughter

You may be suprised in a year or two how politicaly astute your daughter becomes... I watched the transition of many young men and women from political innnocents, to knowledgable voters in my Navy Career.  You tend to take things VERY seriously when you suddenly realize the people you are voting on can send you to foreign countries and get you killed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MalkinFan&#8230;</p>
<p>SALUTE! to your daughter</p>
<p>You may be suprised in a year or two how politicaly astute your daughter becomes&#8230; I watched the transition of many young men and women from political innnocents, to knowledgable voters in my Navy Career.  You tend to take things VERY seriously when you suddenly realize the people you are voting on can send you to foreign countries and get you killed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaibones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaibones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;where&lt;/strong&gt; I live...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>where</strong> I live&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jaibones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaibones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Cook County, Illinois&lt;/strong&gt;, we I live, has Chicago -- the DemoRat controlled &quot;most corrupt city in America&quot; -- and a strange attitude toward voting and votes.

Here, if you are elected, or re-elected like, say, current Cook County Board President John Stroger (who suffered a debilitating stroke before the DemoRat primary but was re-elected anyway), and you cannot or will not complete your term, you simply give the seat to your son or daughter.  Stroger has bequeathed his seat to his son, Todd, a political nothing and virtually anonymous.

Or at least that&#039;s what we&#039;re supposed to believe, although it&#039;s hard since no one has seen Stroger since his stroke, except some hack named William Beavers, and, of course, Todd.  Letters expressing the heartfelt wishes of Stroger keep popping up with a scrawled signature, but no one sees Stroger sign them. 

The hilarious corruption of Chicago politicians, leftists, DemoRats, and the lower form of life known here as Alderman continues unabated, despite the &quot;No Shenanigans&quot; reputation of &lt;strong&gt;Straight Arrow U.S. Attorney Pat Fitzgerald&lt;/strong&gt;, who is, apparently, invisible.

On the race front, Stroger and his political allies have declared that Cook County Board President is now an entitlement of the black political class, despite the fact that Cook County is only 26% black.  &quot;We&quot; whites apparently &quot;owe&quot; blacks this office, which will remain in the Stroger family like a broach for some generations.

Gangster Richie Daley, duh Mayr, needs to continue to control those black votes to hold off the illegal aliens who would run for Mayr against him, so he is pulling all the levers over there behind the curtain.

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Hey, but maybe we&#039;ll get the Olympics!&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Cook County, Illinois</strong>, we I live, has Chicago &#8212; the DemoRat controlled &#8220;most corrupt city in America&#8221; &#8212; and a strange attitude toward voting and votes.</p>
<p>Here, if you are elected, or re-elected like, say, current Cook County Board President John Stroger (who suffered a debilitating stroke before the DemoRat primary but was re-elected anyway), and you cannot or will not complete your term, you simply give the seat to your son or daughter.  Stroger has bequeathed his seat to his son, Todd, a political nothing and virtually anonymous.</p>
<p>Or at least that&#8217;s what we&#8217;re supposed to believe, although it&#8217;s hard since no one has seen Stroger since his stroke, except some hack named William Beavers, and, of course, Todd.  Letters expressing the heartfelt wishes of Stroger keep popping up with a scrawled signature, but no one sees Stroger sign them. </p>
<p>The hilarious corruption of Chicago politicians, leftists, DemoRats, and the lower form of life known here as Alderman continues unabated, despite the &#8220;No Shenanigans&#8221; reputation of <strong>Straight Arrow U.S. Attorney Pat Fitzgerald</strong>, who is, apparently, invisible.</p>
<p>On the race front, Stroger and his political allies have declared that Cook County Board President is now an entitlement of the black political class, despite the fact that Cook County is only 26% black.  &#8220;We&#8221; whites apparently &#8220;owe&#8221; blacks this office, which will remain in the Stroger family like a broach for some generations.</p>
<p>Gangster Richie Daley, duh Mayr, needs to continue to control those black votes to hold off the illegal aliens who would run for Mayr against him, so he is pulling all the levers over there behind the curtain.</p>
<p><strong><em>Hey, but maybe we&#8217;ll get the Olympics!</em></strong></p>
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		<title>By: MalkinFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>MalkinFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am going to take a look at this from the perspective of my 19 year old daughter. She has NO interest in politics. She could care less who the next president is, or her next congressman. She has zero interest in voting. However, she loves her country. She loves the American way. She firmly believes in our military, and what they are doing. To the extent that she has joined them during wartime. She is a patriot. She knows she may well be sent to war, but is willing to take that chance, and hopes she can make a difference if that in fact happens. She understands and takes on many of the values I raised her on. She makes me very proud to be her father. If she is goaded or bribed to vote, well, so be it, I do not think that the party goading or bribing her will be particularly pleased with her choices as a candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going to take a look at this from the perspective of my 19 year old daughter. She has NO interest in politics. She could care less who the next president is, or her next congressman. She has zero interest in voting. However, she loves her country. She loves the American way. She firmly believes in our military, and what they are doing. To the extent that she has joined them during wartime. She is a patriot. She knows she may well be sent to war, but is willing to take that chance, and hopes she can make a difference if that in fact happens. She understands and takes on many of the values I raised her on. She makes me very proud to be her father. If she is goaded or bribed to vote, well, so be it, I do not think that the party goading or bribing her will be particularly pleased with her choices as a candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: thirteen28</title>
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		<dc:creator>thirteen28</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And Thirteen28… SST is one of the greatest thought provoking novels of our time… wonder if he may not have an idea which will make a democracy work.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

If there is ever a HotAir required reading list, I would definitely nominate this book to be on that list.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I’ve always felt that if your were on the public dole you shouldn’t get to vote. With the possible exception of social security, after having contributed over an entire lifetime. Otherwise the scenario described by Romeo13 is unavoidable. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Absolutely.  If taxation without representation is considered unjust, then representation without taxation is unjust for those of us that pay taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And Thirteen28… SST is one of the greatest thought provoking novels of our time… wonder if he may not have an idea which will make a democracy work.</p></blockquote>
<p>If there is ever a HotAir required reading list, I would definitely nominate this book to be on that list.</p>
<blockquote><p>I’ve always felt that if your were on the public dole you shouldn’t get to vote. With the possible exception of social security, after having contributed over an entire lifetime. Otherwise the scenario described by Romeo13 is unavoidable. </p></blockquote>
<p>Absolutely.  If taxation without representation is considered unjust, then representation without taxation is unjust for those of us that pay taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: pistolero</title>
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		<dc:creator>pistolero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always felt that if your were on the public dole you shouldn&#039;t get to vote.  With the possible exception of social security, after having contributed over an entire lifetime.  Otherwise the scenario described by Romeo13 is unavoidable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always felt that if your were on the public dole you shouldn&#8217;t get to vote.  With the possible exception of social security, after having contributed over an entire lifetime.  Otherwise the scenario described by Romeo13 is unavoidable.</p>
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		<title>By: Romeo13</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/07/19/vote-ordont/comment-page-1/#comment-29357</link>
		<dc:creator>Romeo13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess of the public treasury. From that time on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the results that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world&#039;s great civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence:from bondage to spiritual faith;from spiritual faith to great courage;from courage to liberty;from liberty to abundance;from abundance to selfishness;from selfishness to complacency;from complacency to apathy;from apathy to dependency;from dependency back again to bondage. 
--Sir Alex Fraser Tytler (1742-1813) Scottish jurist and historian 

Read it... learn it... those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it...

And Thirteen28... SST is one of the greatest thought provoking novels of our time... wonder if he may not have an idea which will make a democracy work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess of the public treasury. From that time on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the results that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world&#8217;s great civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence:from bondage to spiritual faith;from spiritual faith to great courage;from courage to liberty;from liberty to abundance;from abundance to selfishness;from selfishness to complacency;from complacency to apathy;from apathy to dependency;from dependency back again to bondage.<br />
&#8211;Sir Alex Fraser Tytler (1742-1813) Scottish jurist and historian </p>
<p>Read it&#8230; learn it&#8230; those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it&#8230;</p>
<p>And Thirteen28&#8230; SST is one of the greatest thought provoking novels of our time&#8230; wonder if he may not have an idea which will make a democracy work.</p>
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		<title>By: PAXALLES</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/07/19/vote-ordont/comment-page-1/#comment-29355</link>
		<dc:creator>PAXALLES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Arizona&#039;s Ditat Deus Motto At Work: God Enriches If You Vote (Maybe)...&lt;/strong&gt;

Michelle Malkin&#039;s latest Hot Air Vent centers around the proposal to essentially make Arizona&#039;s ballot a lottery. Malkin reviews the many come-ons and bribes offered to citizens to exercise their precious right to vote - many of which have ended...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Arizona&#8217;s Ditat Deus Motto At Work: God Enriches If You Vote (Maybe)&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Michelle Malkin&#8217;s latest Hot Air Vent centers around the proposal to essentially make Arizona&#8217;s ballot a lottery. Malkin reviews the many come-ons and bribes offered to citizens to exercise their precious right to vote &#8211; many of which have ended&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Shay</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/07/19/vote-ordont/comment-page-1/#comment-29350</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Shay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reminder that the military draft is supposed to be back.  I&#039;m sure my draft notice will be arriving in the mail aaaaanyday now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reminder that the military draft is supposed to be back.  I&#8217;m sure my draft notice will be arriving in the mail aaaaanyday now.</p>
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		<title>By: thirteen28</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/07/19/vote-ordont/comment-page-1/#comment-29346</link>
		<dc:creator>thirteen28</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with the message here - if you don&#039;t want to pay attention to the issues and don&#039;t want to take time to learn abou the candidates, STAY HOME!!!!

This all ties into why &lt;em&gt;Starship Troopers &lt;/em&gt;by Robert Heinlein (which bears little resemblance to the &quot;Melrose Place in Space&quot; movie version) is one of my favorite novels.  The right to vote in their society was only granted after you had done service - in other words, you had to &lt;em&gt;earn&lt;/em&gt; it.  While I don&#039;t necessarily think that would be a good idea in practice, I think it expresses the point nicely about the fact that people take the right to vote for granted when they are merely given that right by attaining the age of 18.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with the message here &#8211; if you don&#8217;t want to pay attention to the issues and don&#8217;t want to take time to learn abou the candidates, STAY HOME!!!!</p>
<p>This all ties into why <em>Starship Troopers </em>by Robert Heinlein (which bears little resemblance to the &#8220;Melrose Place in Space&#8221; movie version) is one of my favorite novels.  The right to vote in their society was only granted after you had done service &#8211; in other words, you had to <em>earn</em> it.  While I don&#8217;t necessarily think that would be a good idea in practice, I think it expresses the point nicely about the fact that people take the right to vote for granted when they are merely given that right by attaining the age of 18.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Malkin</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/07/19/vote-ordont/comment-page-1/#comment-29344</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle Malkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;SCRATCH &#039;N WIN BALLOTS...&lt;/strong&gt;

Here&#039;s my Vent on that dumb Arizona voter lottery initiative. The Onion weighs in.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>SCRATCH &#8216;N WIN BALLOTS&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my Vent on that dumb Arizona voter lottery initiative. The Onion weighs in&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: ScottG</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/07/19/vote-ordont/comment-page-1/#comment-29340</link>
		<dc:creator>ScottG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The worst races involve judges, and they are probably the most influential officials affecting our daily lives.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s right. If you vote party line and the judges are non-partisan, ask your county party committee to find out who your party candidates are. They know even if it&#039;s not publicly known.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The worst races involve judges, and they are probably the most influential officials affecting our daily lives.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s right. If you vote party line and the judges are non-partisan, ask your county party committee to find out who your party candidates are. They know even if it&#8217;s not publicly known.</p>
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		<title>By: roydee43</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/07/19/vote-ordont/comment-page-1/#comment-29333</link>
		<dc:creator>roydee43</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for a common sense look at a major problem.  Your closing comment was right on – and it stung.   I have voted regular for many years.  There has always been a nagging guilt about voting on candidates I knew nothing about.  In Texas there is usually about 20 or more races to be decided.  I won’t have a clue about 2/3’s of them.  On those candidates I vote by party.  The problem is much worse when voting in primaries – which is probably more important than voting in the general elections.

The worst races involve judges, and they are probably the most influential officials affecting our daily lives.  The only campaigning I see are signs saying “VOTE FOR YYY”.  I spoke with a local judge candidate once and got the impression that he could not give his position about critical issues because that would make him “biased”.  And judges are not allowed to be biased.

Hopefully the internet will change all that.  In the election coming up I plan to find out who will be on the ballet and google each name so I can make a better decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a common sense look at a major problem.  Your closing comment was right on – and it stung.   I have voted regular for many years.  There has always been a nagging guilt about voting on candidates I knew nothing about.  In Texas there is usually about 20 or more races to be decided.  I won’t have a clue about 2/3’s of them.  On those candidates I vote by party.  The problem is much worse when voting in primaries – which is probably more important than voting in the general elections.</p>
<p>The worst races involve judges, and they are probably the most influential officials affecting our daily lives.  The only campaigning I see are signs saying “VOTE FOR YYY”.  I spoke with a local judge candidate once and got the impression that he could not give his position about critical issues because that would make him “biased”.  And judges are not allowed to be biased.</p>
<p>Hopefully the internet will change all that.  In the election coming up I plan to find out who will be on the ballet and google each name so I can make a better decision.</p>
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