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		<title>By: civil law</title>
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		<dc:creator>civil law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 04:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;civil law...&lt;/strong&gt;

Fortunately, readers of AskTog, being as tenacious as they are perspicacious, either know exactly what Fitts\&#039; Law is or will before they go to bed tonight....</description>
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<p>Fortunately, readers of AskTog, being as tenacious as they are perspicacious, either know exactly what Fitts\&#8217; Law is or will before they go to bed tonight&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: honora</title>
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		<dc:creator>honora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>georgej:  with all due respect (sincerely) I think comparing this situation to post war Germany and Japan is illogical.  First, we were clearly occupiers in G and J--we reject this nomenclature for our current situation in Iraq.  And then there&#039;s that &quot;post-war&quot; thing.  I don&#039;t begin to consider subjecting our troops to the vagueries of Iraqi justice.  My point is this situation illuminates the awful situatiion we are in.

David Brooks has a very thoughtful article in the NYT today.  He reflects that the period of toppling regimes and mass rallies is over (globally, i.e. Iraq, Russia, Indonesia) and now the hard part starts.  What is particularly challenging about Iraq is that unlike some of the other nations in this segue situation, there is no cultural/political history of governing, and that in most cases (recently and arguably in the mid 1800s) even culturally homogeneous societies revert to a strong man--Putin ring a bell?--to restore order and national pride.  

I am not doing the piece justice, makes you think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>georgej:  with all due respect (sincerely) I think comparing this situation to post war Germany and Japan is illogical.  First, we were clearly occupiers in G and J&#8211;we reject this nomenclature for our current situation in Iraq.  And then there&#8217;s that &#8220;post-war&#8221; thing.  I don&#8217;t begin to consider subjecting our troops to the vagueries of Iraqi justice.  My point is this situation illuminates the awful situatiion we are in.</p>
<p>David Brooks has a very thoughtful article in the NYT today.  He reflects that the period of toppling regimes and mass rallies is over (globally, i.e. Iraq, Russia, Indonesia) and now the hard part starts.  What is particularly challenging about Iraq is that unlike some of the other nations in this segue situation, there is no cultural/political history of governing, and that in most cases (recently and arguably in the mid 1800s) even culturally homogeneous societies revert to a strong man&#8211;Putin ring a bell?&#8211;to restore order and national pride.  </p>
<p>I am not doing the piece justice, makes you think.</p>
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		<title>By: gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least if we turned over our soldiers to the Iraqis, we could be guaranteed a quick confession from them of their guilt with aljazeera there to film the event.  And that is just bull#@%!.  Tell the Iraqis to go pound sand until they reach some semblance of modern civilization and governance and security, they aint gettin any of our guys!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least if we turned over our soldiers to the Iraqis, we could be guaranteed a quick confession from them of their guilt with aljazeera there to film the event.  And that is just bull#@%!.  Tell the Iraqis to go pound sand until they reach some semblance of modern civilization and governance and security, they aint gettin any of our guys!!</p>
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		<title>By: georgej</title>
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		<dc:creator>georgej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>honora slyly sayz: &quot;I’m so confused…&quot;

Let me help you out, then.

Look at the model of post-WWII Germany and Japan.

It took our expressed assent under treaty before our troops became subject to local law enforcement jurisdiction in both formerly occupied countries.

This citizen and voter says we should &lt;strong&gt;*NOT*&lt;/strong&gt; allow US troops to come under, or be subject to, the jurisdiction of Iraq civil or criminal law.

&lt;strong&gt;IF and ONLY IF&lt;/strong&gt;, the United States enters into formal basing agreements with the government of Iraq, as we have with Japan, for example, then only at that time, should the question of subjecting American military personnel to Iraq law be raised.  

And, given the tribal nature of the Iraqi people, their history and mindset, I&#039;d still say no to any such treaty provision.

Saharia and tribal law does not provide sufficient guarantees of due process that is the halmark of our system of justice.  Hence subjecting our military personnel to such is, and ought to be, a non-starter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>honora slyly sayz: &#8220;I’m so confused…&#8221;</p>
<p>Let me help you out, then.</p>
<p>Look at the model of post-WWII Germany and Japan.</p>
<p>It took our expressed assent under treaty before our troops became subject to local law enforcement jurisdiction in both formerly occupied countries.</p>
<p>This citizen and voter says we should <strong>*NOT*</strong> allow US troops to come under, or be subject to, the jurisdiction of Iraq civil or criminal law.</p>
<p><strong>IF and ONLY IF</strong>, the United States enters into formal basing agreements with the government of Iraq, as we have with Japan, for example, then only at that time, should the question of subjecting American military personnel to Iraq law be raised.  </p>
<p>And, given the tribal nature of the Iraqi people, their history and mindset, I&#8217;d still say no to any such treaty provision.</p>
<p>Saharia and tribal law does not provide sufficient guarantees of due process that is the halmark of our system of justice.  Hence subjecting our military personnel to such is, and ought to be, a non-starter.</p>
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		<title>By: honora</title>
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		<dc:creator>honora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The winners of wars get to make the rules.

I say “no.” 

georgej on July 12, 2006 at 4:43 AM&lt;/em&gt;

Uh, excuse me, if we are the winners in this context, that makes who the loser?  Maliki?  I&#039;m so confused...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The winners of wars get to make the rules.</p>
<p>I say “no.” </p>
<p>georgej on July 12, 2006 at 4:43 AM</em></p>
<p>Uh, excuse me, if we are the winners in this context, that makes who the loser?  Maliki?  I&#8217;m so confused&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: honora</title>
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		<dc:creator>honora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the difference between a liberator and an occupier?  This is one of those situations where you are damned if you do, damned if you don&#039;t.

This AM news:  group on Iraqis on a bus, bus stopped, the Shiites and the Sunnis separated, the Shiites shot to death.  So how do we define our &quot;winning&quot; in light of this sort of activity, which is increasing, not decreasing?  (Is this a civil war?  Does it look like a duck...)If these folks are determined to kill each other, who are we to stop them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the difference between a liberator and an occupier?  This is one of those situations where you are damned if you do, damned if you don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>This AM news:  group on Iraqis on a bus, bus stopped, the Shiites and the Sunnis separated, the Shiites shot to death.  So how do we define our &#8220;winning&#8221; in light of this sort of activity, which is increasing, not decreasing?  (Is this a civil war?  Does it look like a duck&#8230;)If these folks are determined to kill each other, who are we to stop them?</p>
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		<title>By: georgej</title>
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		<dc:creator>georgej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The winners of wars get to make the rules.

I say &quot;no.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The winners of wars get to make the rules.</p>
<p>I say &#8220;no.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: EFG</title>
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		<dc:creator>EFG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 00:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In an earlier thread about Watada, I said there was no chance at all that the army would convict him on the Contempt towards officials, and that it would be pled down.  I made that prediction based that the charge was based off of his simple refusal to go to Iraq, because he believed that Bush was sending him to an illegal war.  However, I just read the following in the link Allahpundit provided:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The charge sheet quotes Watada as saying in one interview: &quot;As I read about the level of deception the Bush administration used to initiate and process this war, I was shocked. I became ashamed of wearing the uniform.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Based off of the use of the term &quot;deception&quot; to describe Bush and his actions, perhaps they do have a case for Contempt towards officials.  In which case it looks like I could be wrong in my original assesment.  So it goes. Which just sucks for Watada.  Boo freakin&#039; hoo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In an earlier thread about Watada, I said there was no chance at all that the army would convict him on the Contempt towards officials, and that it would be pled down.  I made that prediction based that the charge was based off of his simple refusal to go to Iraq, because he believed that Bush was sending him to an illegal war.  However, I just read the following in the link Allahpundit provided:</p>
<blockquote><p>The charge sheet quotes Watada as saying in one interview: &#8220;As I read about the level of deception the Bush administration used to initiate and process this war, I was shocked. I became ashamed of wearing the uniform.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Based off of the use of the term &#8220;deception&#8221; to describe Bush and his actions, perhaps they do have a case for Contempt towards officials.  In which case it looks like I could be wrong in my original assesment.  So it goes. Which just sucks for Watada.  Boo freakin&#8217; hoo.</p>
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		<title>By: BirdEye</title>
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		<dc:creator>BirdEye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL...niiiiiiice...touche</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL&#8230;niiiiiiice&#8230;touche</p>
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		<title>By: Rowane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no,no,no, its wish in one hand and shi&#039;ite in the other.

Duty, Honor, Country
(in THAT order)
Rowane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no,no,no, its wish in one hand and shi&#8217;ite in the other.</p>
<p>Duty, Honor, Country<br />
(in THAT order)<br />
Rowane</p>
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		<title>By: Romeo13</title>
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		<dc:creator>Romeo13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm... sooooo... they seem to think that we can fight THEIR insurgency, while following Civil Law?

And if its Sharia Law???

OUCH!

Bush needs to give their Pres a call...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; sooooo&#8230; they seem to think that we can fight THEIR insurgency, while following Civil Law?</p>
<p>And if its Sharia Law???</p>
<p>OUCH!</p>
<p>Bush needs to give their Pres a call&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kid from Brooklyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kid from Brooklyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see that defense counsel intends to argue First Amendment privilege regarding Wahtada&#039;s statements to the press.  Garcetti v. Ceballos categorically squashes that argument.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/05pdf/04-473.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The fun starts on page 11&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that defense counsel intends to argue First Amendment privilege regarding Wahtada&#8217;s statements to the press.  Garcetti v. Ceballos categorically squashes that argument.  <a href="http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/05pdf/04-473.pdf" rel="nofollow">The fun starts on page 11</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: BirdEye</title>
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		<dc:creator>BirdEye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&quot;Iraq wants U.S. troops’ immunity from local law lifted&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;

An old Islamic saying comes to mind...somethig to the effect of, &quot;You can wish in one hand and beat your wife with the other...&quot; No, that&#039;s not it...maybe it was, &quot;You can wish in one hand and build IED&#039;s with the other...&quot; Hmmmmmm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;Iraq wants U.S. troops’ immunity from local law lifted&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>An old Islamic saying comes to mind&#8230;somethig to the effect of, &#8220;You can wish in one hand and beat your wife with the other&#8230;&#8221; No, that&#8217;s not it&#8230;maybe it was, &#8220;You can wish in one hand and build IED&#8217;s with the other&#8230;&#8221; Hmmmmmm</p>
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		<title>By: Defector01</title>
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		<dc:creator>Defector01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One word
NO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One word<br />
NO</p>
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