WaPo: Iraq rape/murder victim was 15 years old
posted at 3:57 pm on July 3, 2006 by Allahpundit
The military says she was 20. The neighbors told the Post she was quite a bit younger than that.
Four killed: the rape victim, her parents … and her seven-year-old sister. All of them shot to death and one, the rape victim herself, reportedly partially burned. The surviving family members have consented to exhumation of the bodies so there should be resolution one way or another.
CNN says the prime suspect, who was discharged several months ago due to a “personality disorder,” was arrested today in North Carolina and charged. The Justice Department’s statement suggests he did the shootings but three more joined in the rape. Two other soldiers, neither of whom was there when it happened, say they heard the suspects talking about it.
It’s just about as bad as it can be, in other words. From the standpoint of criminal law, in fact, it’s worse than Haditha: assuming the latter turns out in fact to have been a rampage/massacre, arguably it’s a case of voluntary manslaughter. There’s no argument about a murder-rape.
He’s eligible for the death penalty. If he did it, he should get it. Hard.
Update: Bad info. According to other court documents, he didn’t act alone in the killings:
An affidavit filed in connection with the charges raises the possibility that others will be charged, since the document states that “members” of the 101st Airborne Division killed the Iraqis and that “the same individuals” raped and killed one of the women. The others were not identified by name.
The affidavit, by an F.B.I. special agent, Gregor J. Ahlers, said details of the crime emerged during a “combat stress debriefing” on June 20. Private Green and at least three others planned the rape and told another soldier to monitor the radio while they went to the house near Mahmudiya, south of Baghdad, according to the affidavit. Some of the participants changed clothes before going to the house and had blood on their clothes when they returned, the affidavit said.
After the murder-and-rape rampage, the affidavit states, the soldiers burned their clothes and told the comrade who had been left to monitor the radio that “this is never to be discussed again.”
Update: Sgt. T.F. Boggs interviews Iraqi general Ali.
Have you liked working with the American soldiers?
General Ali: Yes, yes, yes. They believe me and I believe them. All the soldiers that have worked here know General Ali. I invite them to my house to eat with me and to train with me. I know they came to help the Iraqi people. That is why I work with them, that is why I tell my people the truth about the coalition. Before they might have disliked the US army because they did not have the real picture of the soldiers. I told the people though how the US army fought for us and also how they did projects for us. They fixed the schools, made roads, and made many things for the people of Iraq. The people see how we caught the terrorists, how we made it safe, they see that is more comfortable then under Saddam’s regime.
Update: Here’s the complaint, via Dan Riehl. Note the testimony of “SOI2.” He claims he was there — and that he watched Green rape and kill the woman.









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Cindy Sheehan and the moonbat hordes are of no concern at all compared to these rapists, as far as their effect on the war effort and our nation’s image in the world. Due process and all that, but if they’re guilty… hang ‘em from the highest tree.
insomni on July 3, 2006 at 4:10 PM
Sorry, I find this hard to believe, and almost impossible to perpetrate. I cannot believe any of the news sources, and I certainly do not believe the families of the alleged victims.
Wake up. There is a concerted effort on the part of the insurgency to paint our soldiers as war criminals.
50 bucks say this is another planted story.
BelchSpeak on July 3, 2006 at 4:20 PM
They could have videotape, a confession, and a conviction in open court and you’d still deny that it happened, Belch.
Maybe it didn’t. But there are bad people, even in the military.
Allahpundit on July 3, 2006 at 4:22 PM
50 bucks say this is another planted story.
LOL! Take off your tin-foil hat.
Yet again. US soldier does a bad thing. Who do the wingnuts point the finger of blame at? The media, of course.
better off blue on July 3, 2006 at 4:37 PM
I think the wanton rape-murder of any child is a horrible thing. As a father of 3, I do understand the anguish and support bringing the person or persons responsible to justice.
However, this story raises two points:
1. The uncle asks the question:
A good question. Why do I suspect a political motive behind it? The size (column-inches), the fact that it is a follow up, and the tone of the story imply a certain media fixation with it.
2. Like every criminal defendent, the accused is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
And I would add, given the past instances of partisan exaggeration, overstatement, and outright lying on the part of the press concerning crimes committed in Iraq by US personnel, until “due process” has run its course, I reserve judgement on the entire thing.
Remember, the media “tried” Lt. Ilario Pantano in the press. Ultimately, he was exonerated. Read his book, “Warlord: No Greater Friend, No Worse Enemy” for a fascinating look at the war in Iraq during the 1st battle of Fallujah and how the military justice system works.
Anyone guilty of such crimes should pay to penalty. I, on the other hand, choose not to “rush to judgment” as the WashPost (and media establishment) is doing when it reports on alleged crimes committed by the US military in Iraq.
georgej on July 3, 2006 at 4:44 PM
better off blue says: “Yet again. US soldier does a bad thing. Who do the wingnuts point the finger of blame at? The media, of course”.
Well, because unlike you, we want to give our men and women the benefit of the doubt. We don’t want to see our military used as propaganda to help our enemies, unlike the media which just seems to wait with bated breath for anything to happen then rush to spread it across the front page. The media hasn’t exactly been a friend to anyone in uniform have they?
You always seem to pop in whenever there’s news about something bad happening to our military … why is that? You really seem to get a kick out of seeing this.
darwin on July 3, 2006 at 4:59 PM
If he is guilty, crush him….
Mortis on July 3, 2006 at 5:06 PM
I want to give our soldiers the benefit of the doubt and see this in court
But if is true I’d turn the soldiers over to the iraqis and let them place dice with their eyeballs
btw B.O.B. = HotAir’s Baghdad Bob
Defector01 on July 3, 2006 at 5:23 PM
Does B.O.B ever discuss anything? Or is he a hit and run poster? Maybe he’s scared.
darwin on July 3, 2006 at 5:49 PM
If convicted, they should be executed. And like most executions in this country, let the victims’ family be witnesses.
Sure, the terrorists will play up this story; we just need to play up as thoroughly the application of justice in the case.
Mike O on July 3, 2006 at 6:03 PM
If he did this, he needs to pay the ultimate price. I’m reserving judgement pending the evidence, but the fact that they’ve already tossed Green for being a head case doesn’t speak well for him.
Pablo on July 3, 2006 at 7:13 PM
In an earlier post, I said I had suspicions about this case. Well, unfortuanately, it certainly looks worse now. Yet there are still aspects that trouble me. I don’t want to get accused of being in denial by Allahpundit. Because he is right, there are some bad people, even in the military. But none the less, certain aspects of the case are, confusing, let us say. First, is the issue of drinking alchohol. I believe it is banned in Iraq. Could they have gotten their hands on some black market booze? Yes, it is possible. But alcohol isn’t as freely available as here in the states.
The changing out of uniform into dark clothes. They snuck over to this house wearing dark clothes and carrying M-4′s? This sounds strange. Are they in a U.S. camp like Bagram Airbase in Afghanistan? If so, how did they get outside the wire dressed like that? They control ingress and exgress pretty carefully, The gate guards are probably going to cast a pretty skeptical eye towards 4 G.I.s dressed like that who say they have business in town. I have to assume it is the same in Iraq. I would have thought it more likely that if a rape DID occur, it was some local civilian worker hired to do work in a U.S. base who got raped by rouge U.S. soldiers INSIDE the camp, not outside.
Are there any current or former servicemembers who have been in or arround this area of Iraq who can shed light on the probability of this happening?
Anyway, I’m not trying to say it is impossible for this to have happened. But I would like it if some of the discrepancies that are bugging me could possibly be resolved.
EFG on July 3, 2006 at 8:39 PM
Sounds bad. And as Allah says, there’s bad people everywhere, even in the US military. If this is true, if they did it, they need to be punished and if the death penalty is given, then so be it. Actions like the ones these soldiers are accused of bring shame and dishonor on to the service and the country.
Ellen on July 4, 2006 at 4:55 AM
Indeed there are BAD people everywhere, in every society, in every city and town in the world regardless of race, religion, or creed. let the justice system now take over, investigate, and punish any guilty parties as appropriate and lets move on.
gary on July 4, 2006 at 7:05 AM
If found guilty, he should be remanded to the custody of the Iraqi’s and they should be allowed to execute the sentence of their choosing. Along with his idiot cohorts.
Of course, this is the difference between us and our enemies. We demand justice. They merely behead now and
ask questionsmake demands later.webproze on July 5, 2006 at 9:07 AM