Crumble: Senate on immigration, Germany on Iran

posted at 3:20 pm on June 28, 2006 by Allahpundit

First, the good news:

Key backers of the Senate immigration bill said yesterday they are willing to consider a compromise that would delay the guest-worker program and “amnesty” portions until the borders have been secured…

On Monday, Mr. Specter, the Pennsylvania Republican who will lead House and Senate negotiators in the conference committee, told The Times that border security should be the top priority in the final bill and that he is open to a compromise that would make the guest-worker program and path to citizenship for illegal aliens contingent on first ensuring a secure border and improved interior enforcement…

[J]ust a month ago, many of these same senators — including Mr. Specter, Mr. Graham and Mr. Kennedy — voted against a proposal that would have set out a similar timeline requiring border security and improved enforcement before the rest of the Senate bill could proceed.

The Times says the House isn’t budging and that they still plan to hold public hearings next month on the competing bills. God only knows what polls they’re seeing inside Congress, but Rasmussen reports a 63-19 preference for a hypothetical enforcement-only proposal over a hypothetical amnesty-only plan. Strangely, people say they prefer a “comprehensive” approach to enforcement-only by a margin of 52-30 — but Rasmussen thinks it knows why. It depends on what the meaning of “comprehensive” is:

In official Washington, “comprehensive” reform means addressing the issue of undocumented workers and including a path to citizenship for illegal aliens. Among the general public, circumstantial evidence suggests that many poll respondents may have interpreted the word “comprehensive” to mean taking additional steps to reducing illegal immigration in addition to securing the border. Many who say they prefer “comprehensive” solutions respond to other questions in ways that clearly reflect enforcement-first or enforcement-only approaches to reform.

No wonder they’re so hot for hearings. They’re going to use the platform to dismantle Bush’s newspeak about his plan.

Now for the bad news, which is putting it mildly. This is, potentially, a “turn on your TV right now” kind of badness.

Iran should be allowed to enrich uranium for power generation provided there is close monitoring by U.N. inspectors to ensure it is not trying to develop atomic weapons, Germany’s defense minister said on Wednesday.

The minister’s comments may suggest that after years of failed negotiations with Iran, Germany and some other Western powers are willing to compromise with Iran over enrichment in order to resolve peacefully the nuclear stand-off with Tehran.

But it is unclear if this view would be acceptable to hardline camps in Washington and London, Western diplomats say.

According to someone at the IAEA, the comments were received as “a welcome surprise.” The German government’s already in spin-crisis mode. Yesterday, I wrote:

Khamenei’s already served notice that Iran won’t give up enrichment, so Europe can go one of two ways now: indulge the spoiled child by allowing the U.S. to drop out or show some “tough love” by making U.S. involvement a condition of its own participation. It’s too soon to tell which it’ll be — but I know how I’m betting.

Consider this me doubling down.

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Why does this surprise anyone?

Chas on June 28, 2006 at 3:49 PM

Unfortunately, you’ll have to wait till you see the mushroom cloud before lessons are learned.

Two world wars later, and WW3 is ratcheting up the ante.

Kini on June 28, 2006 at 3:57 PM

You mean, Two world wars later and Germany still hasn’t learned s&!t.

BirdEye on June 28, 2006 at 4:03 PM

Bienvenidos a Aire Caliente!!!!

Peace, in our time. (gag)

Kid from Brooklyn on June 28, 2006 at 4:07 PM

Sort of OT but — can this be real?

“SALEM, Ore. – Some English-speaking firefighters are losing their jobs because of an Oregon state law that requires them to be bilingual.”


“Those concerns led the state to draft a new rule that all firefighting bosses speak English, and the languages of crew members who don’t speak English.”


“Both Oregon state officials and those in the firefighting business say they do not think there are ‘that many’ illegal immigrant workers in the fire crews.”

kate q on June 28, 2006 at 4:18 PM

Disgusted…. I honestly didn’t want Germany to prove me right on how worthless it is.

kaseiryu on June 28, 2006 at 4:26 PM

Key backers of the Senate immigration bill said yesterday they are willing to consider a compromise that would delay the guest-worker program and “amnesty” portions until the borders have been secured…

The Times says the House isn’t budging and that they still plan to hold public hearings next month on the competing bills. God only knows what polls they’re seeing inside Congress, but Rasmussen reports a 63-19 preference for a hypothetical enforcement-only proposal over a hypothetical amnesty-only plan.

God, AJ Strata, John Podhoretz, Bill Kristol and other RINOs are going to wet their pants over this sure sign of the apocolypse, now that there are indications that a majority of voters are on the side of us “far-right restrictionsis who want no immigration whatsoever”. I mean how could that be when their guy won his primary in Utah last night (never mind Bilbray).

As for the second item of the post, I don’t have much hope for Europe to do the right thing. Recommended reading here is The Force of Reason by Orianna Fallaci. If that book doesn’t scare the bejesus out of you regarding Europe’s fate, then you have a lot of sand in your mouth.

thirteen28 on June 28, 2006 at 4:50 PM

I was expecting this to come from France first, with Germany following suit. Either way, it’s not surprising that one of those two pathetic countries would say that. After all, they are only responsible in one way or another, for every conflict that has taken place in this world over the last 100+ years. America is always there to put out their fires and clean up their mess (oh yeah, and protect them too).

What truly amazes me is that Germany has the nerve to say anything about what the world should do in a situation such as this one (given their propensity for starting global conflicts). Germany needs to take a cue from Japan and not try to take the lead on something like this. Much of the world (especially Iran) may have (conveniently) forgotten what you put everybody through in the 20th century, but we haven’t.

Rick on June 28, 2006 at 5:02 PM

Wonder if the DM wants Iran to finish what Germany began regarding the Jews?

Defector01 on June 28, 2006 at 5:12 PM

In your earlier post, “Iran Rejects Nuke Talks with U.S.”, I posted the following comment:

Not to quible, but I am not sure that the article Allahpundit has linked to really says that Iran has rejected talks with the U.S.

“Negotiating with America does not have any benefit for us and we do not need such negotiations,” Khamenei was quoted as saying by state television.

I agree, normal people would say that sounds like a rejection. But diplomatic-speak is filled with all sorts of nuances and double meanings and innuendos.

My point is that there is still some wiggle room in this statement. If the U.S. and Europe hang tough, Iran might then agree to talk with the U.S. and won’t have to admit it caved to U.S. pressure.

Of course in my original post, I didn’t directly address the issue of what would happen if Europe didn’t hang tough. It would appear this is happening, which would certainly make it look like Iran now really “…[doesn’t] need such negotiations.”

If only our European allies had the same strength of will that our enemies do.

EFG on June 28, 2006 at 5:20 PM

Hurras for our clear headed members in the House! I never thought that the Senate would start to cave so quickly, but they must be feeling pressure to get a bill passed that actually does protect our borders. Now if Bush would just learn the lesson…

From goose stepping to belly crawling. Poor Germany just cannot find the right path I guess.

DannoJyd on June 28, 2006 at 5:58 PM

Great point on the definition of comprehensive. I always thought it meant ‘all inclusive’ or to that meaning. Many meanings can be inferred and mistaken on this MOST important issue for the U.S.A. for centuries to come!!

– Deutschland? Was denken sie? The Germans have to have made a huge oil deal. I can not think of why else they would stoop to this. WHY?
Plus, isnt Iran on the board of IAEA for Nuclear oversight or something?
– We will see mushroom clouds in an act of anger in our lives. Something I never believed could happen, but now I dont know for sure.

shooter on June 28, 2006 at 5:59 PM

“Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden,
meet any hardship, support any friend,
oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.” JFK
I guess one Kennedy said one thing right once.

shooter on June 28, 2006 at 6:01 PM

In such an unstable world, where nothing is at it seems, you can always count on the Euros to show a total lack of sack pertaining anything security-related. Of course, Germany is going to wuss out. Doesn’t our Army occupy half of Frankfurt? THERE’S a “redeployment” we can all get behind.

Kid from Brooklyn on June 28, 2006 at 6:34 PM

We should write our House representatives again – and encourage them to stick to enforcement and not amnesty for the illegal alien. I believe this is a good time to express your views where it can really count!

I believe that Iran is most certainly developing nuclear weapons and this is the reason behind their nuclear enrichment program. By giving Iran time to develop their own nuclear weapons the Germans are showing what they are made of (and not made of) – these types of decisions are made based on cowardice and lack of moral fiber. It will be interesting to see their reaction after Iran threatens and then uses nuclear weapons.

We should all hope that the United States sticks to it’s position that a nuclear armed Iran is unacceptable. The short term consequences of knocking Iran into the stone age may be painful economically but are nothing compared with the alternative.

omegaram on June 29, 2006 at 12:52 AM

Prediction: W will essentially agree to this and claim victory.

honora on June 29, 2006 at 10:06 AM

kate Q thanks for the link to the KATU story on English speakers losing their jobs. I am passing it on.

This happened in Canada by creeping law. It will inevitably become a Federal standard in the U.S. unless we pass law to limit our language of government to English and require by law that naturalized citizens conform to our standard of communications. A law making English ‘the national language’ won’t cut it.

The good news is the GOP House is on the side of preserving America. The bad news is the great American bald Weasel, Senator Specter, is still flying high.

Specter is willing to postpone amnesty until the borders are secure. It all depends on what you mean by ‘secure’. Who gets to declare the moment that our borders are secure?

To Specter secure may mean that we spent a bunch of money and deployed some National Guard. Specter is selective about enforcement of border law right now, which laws will he select to enforce under the new Bill?

As to Germany’s new solution for Iran, when did Madeleine Albright get appointed German Defense Minister? I think the solution is for Iran to build their nuclear reactors in North Korea. That way, the U.S. will help them build it too.

We can consolidate our dictators, which we need to do as we have run out of fat ladies to negotiate with them.

entagor on June 29, 2006 at 1:20 PM