The three pillars of the Internet

posted at 9:43 pm on June 27, 2006 by Allahpundit

Porn, blogs, and 9/11 conspiracy sites. Farhad Manjoo conducts a controlled demolition of the last today for Salon.

It’s a disquieting read, sprinkled with links to the kook pages it cites. (And some not so kooky. Read this, then follow the comments.) Don’t be daunted by the length: it shoots by, and if you quit before the end you’ll miss the best part — where the conspiracy theorists begin to implicate each other in the conspiracy.

“I’m pretty sure our movement has been infiltrated,” Avery says. Rowe argues that “the government puts out disinformation agents within the movement to splinter it. This is what they do, they try to create dissension between head members.” Both say they’ve looked over the rebuttals, but stand by their film’s major claims.

Ironically, Hoffman levels the same charge of government complicity at Avery. Indeed, here’s where the conspiracy theories grow even stranger: Hoffman argues that the 9/11 planners specifically engineered the attacks in a way that would lead some people to embrace flimsy 9/11 theories. Avery, Hoffman says, has fallen into the government’s trap; the government wants people to say that an airplane didn’t hit the Pentagon, because the claim makes 9/11 skeptics look silly. In the movie, Avery wonders why the government hasn’t released surveillance videos captured near the Pentagon that would show definitively whether an aircraft crashed there. (The Pentagon recently put out a couple of videos that don’t at all settle the matter.) Hoffman says he knows exactly why the government is being stingy with the videos — not because it has something to hide about the Pentagon, but because it wants to feed the no-plane theory. It’s all part of the plan to “divert attention from the core fraud of the attack — the Big Lie that the Twin Towers collapsed due to impacts and fires.”

“Avery” is Dylan Avery, the director of Loose Change, and “Rowe” is Korey Rowe, its producer. According to Rowe, Hollywood has inquired about distributing the film. Avery says if it gets picked up, he wants it to open in theaters … on September 11th.

The boys at SLC keep plugging away, though. Here’s their latest dose of reason. Bonus points for topicality.

Update: I realize you’re not going to click all the links in Manjoo’s piece so I’ve got to rescue this one myself. It’s a sober, critical analysis of the theory that no planes hit the World Trade Center on 9/11, and that the tens of thousands of images to the contrary were actually doctored with graphic overlays. Or was it holograms?

Which party do you suppose the author of that theory belongs to?

Update: SLC e-mails with a link to this old post of theirs about “the second-level conspiracy.”

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Video on slow action of the collapsing Twin Towers showed neither explosion at lower levels nor flying glasses below the floor where collapse occurred. If there was a controlled explosion at the lower floors to bring down the towers one should be able to see some window panes flying out due to pressure from the explosion. But one can clearly see the collapsing top floors falling onto lower floors and started an avalanche of collapse.

Please do not forget the the airplane was lodged into the building…the total weight of the higher floors should exceed the floor loading. When the top started collapsing, the extra weight of the plane produced additional momentum to bring down the entire building.

The conspirators all forgot to include the weight of the plane and people ( over 200,000 lbs, I guess).

easy87us on June 27, 2006 at 10:04 PM

In fact, the Twin Towers could not possibily collapse without the weight of the planes in it.

easy87us on June 27, 2006 at 10:25 PM

Porn, blogs, and 9/11 conspiracy sites.

Degenerate gambling and buffoonery feel very left out right about now.

Kid from Brooklyn on June 27, 2006 at 10:30 PM

In fact, the Twin Towers could not possibily collapse without the weight of the planes in it.

easy87us on June 27, 2006 at 10:25 PM

The towers actually had no trouble supporting the extra weight that was there, until the heat of the fires weakened the steel in the structures to the point of collapse.

speed647 on June 27, 2006 at 10:40 PM

Been a theory among some on the left for years that Ramsey Clark is an agent provocateur.

In 2002 and 2003, the left tried to distance itself from A.N.S.W.E.R. and Clark but to no end. The bait, warm bodies at rallies, was too attractive. Similiar thing happened to the Democratic party in the 1930s in New York City. The Communist Party USA could get out the vote. The party was dragged along.

Essex on June 27, 2006 at 11:05 PM

Speed647, the building was built with steel columns that were not re-enforced by concrete so they were very susceptible to heat. But from the film I saw they mentioned that the floor was not of conventional concrete with steel beams, but rather concrete on steel sheet. So when the floor started collapsing they pulled the steel beam inward to produce an avalanche effect. I clearly remember the design of the building was the major factor, although heat did aggravate the problem. In the film I recalled they also cited the collision of a bomber into the Empire State Building but since the building was basically constructed of concrete over steel beams the building suffer no permenant damage. The comparison was made to emphasize the weakness in the design of the Twin Tower.

That was what I got.

easy87us on June 27, 2006 at 11:21 PM

Alternative title:

“How to slit your wrists with Occam’s Razor”

Bunch of kooks, man. Why make one plane disappear and then crash another one into a building? Was David Blaine involved? That sounds about as pointless as one of his stunts.

Mark Jaquith on June 28, 2006 at 1:01 AM

In the film I recalled they also cited the collision of a bomber into the Empire State Building but since the building was basically constructed of concrete over steel beams the building suffer no permenant damage. The comparison was made to emphasize the weakness in the design of the Twin Tower.

To put that in perspective, the Empire State Building was hit by a B-25 going maybe 300 mph. The B-25 was 50′ long, had a wingspan of 70′, and a maximum take off weight of about 40,000 pounds.

The 767 hit the Trade Center at close to 600mph, were 200′ long with a wingspan of 170′, and a max. take off weight of 450,000 pounds. They also were carrying about 20,000 gal of fuel.

I doubt the Empire State Building would have weathered that impact quite as well.

B Moe on June 28, 2006 at 1:37 AM

Astounding, I just read the entire article referred to in the
first update. How is it possible that an individual who writes as intelligently and clearly as the author fails to see the truth? It was a laugh riot at first but now I’m just left saddened by the sheer waste of effort by these people. Let’s all hope the NYT and LAT finish catching all the terrorists soon so we can get these folks the help they badly need.

theGimp on June 28, 2006 at 3:52 AM

Howad Dean Strikes Again

Apparantly we’re about to enter “The 60′s” again…

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200606/POL20060628a.html

I love it how the Dems are looking for religious figures who are willing to lead a movement to destroy religion.

venmax on June 28, 2006 at 6:36 AM

“Let’s all hope the NYT and LAT finish catching all the terrorists soon so we can get these folks the help they badly need.”

Another reason not to want National Health Care… there isn’t enough money in the treasury to cure these people.

And the NYT and LAT times considers them “insurgents” not terrorist… that would be profiling!

Bob Mileti on June 28, 2006 at 7:08 AM

Allah, don’t you wish you had access to the computers and software these guys think the government used to alter live video feeds? Just think what you could do with a graphics setup that could overlay a 767 on multiple live video feeds without letting anyone at the videos source know you were doing it.

I find it fascinating that whenever someone bursts one of their conspiracy bubbles, they expand into new territory rather than reevaluating their original idea. “No planes! OK, remote control planes! It was Rove flying remote control planes! It was Rove, controlled by aliens, flying remote control planes (with holographic disguises) into a building secretly primed for remote detonation. Yea, that must be the truth…”

High Desert Wanderer on June 28, 2006 at 8:19 AM

“How to slit your wrists with Occam’s Razor”

HA ha ha … now that’s funny.

Since when do liberals care about Occam’s Razor? Try this one: say liberals lose the elections in 2006. Two explanations:

1) A vast right-wing/zionist conspiracy fueled by finances from Halliburton and PNAC and directed by Vice-President Cheney from his underground lair utilized top secret military sattelites to scramble signals to Diebold voting machines and encrypted a code developed by the Chinese with the help of the NSA to subtly tweak voting results and give Republicans a victory

OR

2) Democrats lost.

Now, which does Occam choose?

And which do you think the flock of liberal sheep will almost all choose, regardless of fact or thought or evidence?

Occam’s Razor and liberals. (snort). That’d be a new one.

Professor Blather on June 28, 2006 at 8:36 AM

As for the goofy conspiracy thoeries, I have one response:

Yaaaaaaaawn. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Probably more of a response than they deserve.

Remember, kids: we call them moonbats for a reason.

Professor Blather on June 28, 2006 at 8:38 AM

Wait a minute … there’s porn on the Internet?

Professor Blather on June 28, 2006 at 8:39 AM

I can’t believe this is even a topic of conversation. I SAW the second plane go into the building on live t.v. My husband was talking on the phone to someone in the second tower when the plane hit.
these conspiracy people are absolutely nuts. they need to take some prozac and move on.

pullingmyhairout on June 28, 2006 at 9:15 AM

Pullingmyhair,

The fact that many saw the planes went in real time does not deter the nutcases from sliming Bush with this conspiracy cr$p. But the major conspiracy theory circled around some one planted a bomb inside the Twin Towers to bring it down. They claimed that the heat could not have brought down the towers. I just point out that the Twin Towers would have collapsed for sure with the weight of the planes in it, adding the heat and bad design. Almost none of the articles I have read included the weight of a 767 in their discussion.

Remember some nuts said the Apollo missions were all fabricated in a studio? I am not sure how we can place a laser reflector on the moon if we have not been there.

Nuts..and they wear tin hats too…

easy87us on June 28, 2006 at 9:29 AM

I am not an engineer, but wasn’t the WTC designed to take the impact of a 747 flying at a much lower speed? Was the 747 able to fly as fast as the 767′s top speed?

The 767 did not exist back then, so how can someone foresee the creation of the 767 and design a building based on specifications that did not exist back then and without experimentation? Or could they have?

And why would Pres Bush go to such extremes as destroying the WTC just to go to war? He could have used “strategery” to come up with a less dramatic and less damaging plan for a reason to invade Iraq.

The False Dervish on June 28, 2006 at 9:32 AM

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200606/POL20060628a.html
I love it how the Dems are looking for religious figures who are willing to lead a movement to destroy religion.
venmax

Perfect. Just perfect. Jesus Christ was a 1960s social worker out to “help his fellow man”. Howie excels at explaining where liberals are.

Essex on June 28, 2006 at 9:33 AM

Flase Dervish,

It was designed to take the impact of a fully loaded 707…not a 747.

BirdEye on June 28, 2006 at 10:41 AM

OK OK THE TRUTH. Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa went to Wyoming(fireworks are legal there) and I , yes me ,I saw them purchase lots and lots of BIG fireworks. They boarded a pretty big plane and flew it themselves to New York. They were tired of hiding out for so long and just wanted to end it all.
So if they went out (really this time) in a big way, no-one would know to look for those two. But sadly, now they really are gone. sniffles.
Really, I SAW IT ALL !!!
Oh wait, they flew two planes , one each.

shooter on June 28, 2006 at 10:43 AM

“The planes hit the WTC before they didn’t hit the WTC”

Wade on June 28, 2006 at 11:05 AM

They missed some internet pillars: chat rooms about celebrities and spam emails about your Cameroon Lottery winnings.

Jaibones on June 28, 2006 at 11:48 AM

You know, this whole thread is funny and we can all mock the goofball tinfoil conspiracy whackjobs.

But I’ll bet it’s not funny to the families of the 3,000 dead.

I can’t imagine the pain this reckless moonbattery must cause them.

Professor Blather on June 28, 2006 at 12:10 PM

I can’t imagine the pain this reckless moonbattery must cause them
prof, do you really think that except for the few that may be deranged from the incident that they, the WTC families, take this stuff serious? I can believe that the government is occassionally involved with distorting the truth e.g. TWA 800, but when the entire episode of WTC is played out on live tv you have to be some kind of a delusionary insane nut to believe that this was some kind of conspiracy.

docdave on June 28, 2006 at 12:47 PM

do you really think that except for the few that may be deranged from the incident that they, the WTC families, take this stuff serious?

No – not at all. Let me clarify.

Whereas the rest of us can just laugh at the conspiracy fools, I suspect that for the families of the victims, the joke isn’t very funny. I’d guess that seeing the thousands of people who buy these ridiculous stories yakking on the Internet, trying to convince people that their loved ones were killed as part of some bizarre plot, probably causes the families a lot of pain.

I can’t imagine how they feel about the assertion that their loved ones actually flew to Cleveland and are still hidden in some underground bunker.

The point is that as ridiculous as it is – it probably enrages the families. Because some idiots do believe this stuff, and its a mockery of the actual victims.

And the liberal nutjobs don’t care about the pain they cause.

Professor Blather on June 28, 2006 at 12:55 PM

“And the liberal nutjobs don’t care about the pain they cause”

Sorry Professor, your too kind.

I think these “nutjobs” don’t give two shits about the families of 9/11. As Anne Coulter has shown, they will do anything if it furthers their cause.

Bob Mileti on June 28, 2006 at 4:22 PM

Professor B: I have no doubt that you are correct for the great majority of those involved. But I can’t help but point out that the only grieving families that the MSM has ever wanted to hear from are not affected by this nonsense in any way.

They are the celebrated “Jersey Girls” and the internet moonbat conspiracy freaks are their homeboys…

Jaibones on June 28, 2006 at 4:36 PM