Hakuna Watada

posted at 10:28 am on June 27, 2006 by Bryan

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Love the Peace Flip! Do those fingers brush the chin before you make it? I love it! Whenever someone flashes me a peace sign, I will flash this one right back.

BelchSpeak on June 27, 2006 at 10:35 AM

LOL…thanks, love the bird of peace sign. Too bad you had to disguise it…

Wade on June 27, 2006 at 10:38 AM

Sign up for the pay checks and all the benefits…get the good training…and when it comes to the time to serve..see ya Jose! Liberals are good weather patriots. May be he was hoping to serve at Guam, Okinawa, Hawaii, or Indian Ocean. Ooops…he rolled a bad number..not 7/11…time to get out.

Liberals sure know how to take advantage of the conservatives….

Suckers…

easy87us on June 27, 2006 at 10:44 AM

Just another piece of the lefts attempt to break down the rule of law, to make everything grey, to support moral relativism.

Amenesty for illegals, Governements ability to sieze land and give it to someone else for profit, Pass for kids breaking the law to skip school to go to pro immigration events, NYTs getting a pass on the clearly illegal publishing of Classified material because they are “Journalists”, Even Hate crimes (punished not for what you do, but what you were thinking when you did it)….

It will be the destruction of Western Civilization… the breakdown of the Rule of Law….

Romeo13 on June 27, 2006 at 10:45 AM

I think the key thing to remember is that Watada joined the military AFTER the invasion of Iraq. If he didn’t agree with the war, he never should have signed up. (What… he didn’t think he’d have a chance of going over? Idiot!)

A Kool-Aid drinking organization called organizepittsburgh.org is organizing an “anti-recruiting” rally in Market Square in Pittsburgh today for the “National Day of Action”. I plan on being there, rain or shine. The military, I’m sure, will not be able to get there point of view across; but maybe I can be an anti-anti-recruiting protester.

MM is right; this guy deserves Leavenworth; nothing less.

Great vent!

dalewalt on June 27, 2006 at 10:53 AM

I think the key thing to remember is that Watada joined the military AFTER the invasion of Iraq. If he didn’t agree with the war, he never should have signed up. (What… he didn’t think he’d have a chance of going over? Idiot!)

What dalewalt says. He knew the war in Iraq was going on, and signed up anyway. May he RIL (Rot In Leavenworth.)

StephC on June 27, 2006 at 10:55 AM

Did he honestly think that the Army would train him, and let him walk away when he said he didn’t want to serve? Or more likely, did he plan to do this from the beginning as a form of protest?

If you accept government pay and training with no intent to serve, isn’t that fraud?

High Desert Wanderer on June 27, 2006 at 10:57 AM

Great Vent Michelle!

JDAZE on June 27, 2006 at 11:01 AM

Could this be a ploy, from the very beginning, to enter politics like his father? Like John Kerry? Get face time and/or name recognition?

Wade on June 27, 2006 at 11:02 AM

Or more likely, did he plan to do this from the beginning as a form of protest?

Yep. Certainly looks that way.

Anwyn on June 27, 2006 at 11:06 AM

Wade, you may very well be correct… I just hope he enjoy’s protesting from an 8×10 cell.

dalewalt on June 27, 2006 at 11:10 AM

Only in a seriously twisted Godless liberal mind could someone like this fellow become a “hero”. There are jail cells made just for people like this guy, and unfortunately that’s where he should be, and tinfoil hatters can go worship him there if they like.

When you step back and look at the whole picture, can you actually even imagine a Nation of collective human liberal debris such as we have who obviously WANT to lose so badly? You have to ask yourself, what WOULD our founding Fathers have done about these people if this was what they had to deal with in time of war? And you also have to realize, even if the liberal mind cannot comprehend it, if THIS is the kind of “leader” they intend to praise, what kind of “leaders” do they want for this Country? Oh wait, we already KNOW the answer to that, they want seditious traitors to “lead” them. Lead them WHERE, not one of them seems to have a clue.

NRA4Freedom on June 27, 2006 at 11:17 AM

Liberals anger me frequently.

They bewilder me often.

But I think I can safely say this is the first time I’ve really felt truly, deeply sorry for them.

How pathetic that THIS is what they’ve sunk to. I’m curious – is there a liberal here that will defend this?

How do they get past the sheer lack of logic here? Dalewalt is right: the critical point is that the coward joined AFTER the Iraq war began.

Let’s assume liberals are right – it’s an illegal war. Now imagine a career soldier who’d fought in Vietnam and Desert Storm, who then refused to go to this war because it was, in fact, illegal.

(Note: the war is not illegal. It’s justified by 12 years and 17 resolutions and an invasion of 3 countries and support of terrorism … and you know the drill. But let’s pretend liberals are right – just to see how silly they still are).

Now that guy refuses to go – claiming an illegal order.

THAT guy could at least theoretically be called courageous. He’s served; he’s fought before; he sees this order as illegal.

Unfortunatley for liberals, that’s not Watada. He JOINED absolutely KNOWING he’d likely be deployed. So which is he? Is he just blitheringly stupid? Incredibly selfish? Was he gambling that he wouldn’t be deployed, using the military for his own gain, only crying and gnashing his teeth once his gamble failed to pay off?

Or was it all on purpose? Is he a complete phony and fraud who lied when he joined the military and did it SOLELY so he could pull this stunt when his unit was deployed?

You tell us liberals: which one of those two is Watada? It’s logically inescapable: he has to be one or the other. So which is it?

And how is either “courageous?”

I suspect he is both a poltically motivated fraud AND a coward of the first order.

Any liberals here willing to admit that painful truth? Or at least try to mount an intellectual defense?

Good luck.

Like I said: on this one, I feel bad for liberals. It must truly suck to be them. I can’t imagine having to defend this morally, and trying to defend it logically would rupture a blood vessel in my head.

Then again, when I grew up I stopped being liberal. Maybe avoiding these obvious examples of cognitive dissonance and moral cowardice is the part of the reason I made that choice.

As for the controversy, there’s really only one set of opinions I’d like to hear – I’d like to hear what the members of his unit, now deployed to the Middle East, think about this embarrassing creature.

I’ll bet they have a few things to say.

Professor Blather on June 27, 2006 at 11:18 AM

We have Brave Marines Locked in Prison who haven’t been convicted of anything yet….but this Dirt-bag gets to walk around freely to spout off his cowardice???

The Piece of Garbage should be in shackles right now..and preparing to stand a Court-Marshall. Well no worries for him..as soon as a Democrap is elected President, a blanket pardon will be issued to him, the guys who are stinking up Canada now…and I wouldn’t put it past a pardon to be given to that Akbar dude who tossed grenades into an officer’s tent.

havok on June 27, 2006 at 11:57 AM

LOL…thanks, love the bird of peace sign. Too bad you had to disguise it…

It’s not even disguised; the “backwards” peace sign has the same meaning in England as that gesture using one less finger would have in America.

I actually heard once it was a gesture of defiance from English bowmen to the French. The French would cut their fingers off if captured so they couldn’t pull the bowstring, and the English would taunt them with that gesture to show that they still had the fingers to kill them with. Not sure how true the story is, but it sounds great. And Michelle’s use of it was priceless.

hindmost on June 27, 2006 at 12:10 PM

I actually heard once it was a gesture of defiance from English bowmen to the French. The French would cut their fingers off if captured so they couldn’t pull the bowstring, and the English would taunt them with that gesture to show that they still had the fingers to kill them with. Not sure how true the story is, but it sounds great.

A very very old Internet myth. Sorry!

http://www.snopes.com/language/apocryph/pluckyew.htm

Professor Blather on June 27, 2006 at 12:13 PM

Prof. Blather,

You’re welcome for that flash link in last vent. My only regret is I didn’t find it earlier so that more people could have viewed it. Imagine the creative ways the days topics could be created in flash cartoons…

On to the subject at hand. Fortunately, a court martial will not be like trials on drama shows. This will be cut and dry. Namely, “Lt. Watada, did you deploy with your troops?”

“No, it is an illegal, and immoral war.”

Ignoring everything after no, “The prosecution rests.”

“You have been found guilty, and will be given a (hopefully) dishonorable discharge, and a 15 year sentence to begin immediately at Forth Leavenworth, KS.

No, I’m not a lawyer, but I was subject to the UCMJ for 20 years while serving in the US Navy, from 1984 to 2004.

rightside on June 27, 2006 at 12:55 PM

the government needs to prosecute both, the Times and Watada.
Instead of letting these defeatists break law after law to fulfill their goal of a defeated America, Enforce our laws, put them in jail, and let them serve as a warning.

“Don’t Tread on me” used to be a warning, lately it seems to be our welcome mat.

Wyrd on June 27, 2006 at 1:08 PM

Allright Michelle! Great Vent – love the concept of enjoy your 15 minutes of fame and then rot in Leavenworth (peace sign)! LOL

Michelle’s ability to add appropriate humor to this sad tale is greatly appreciated. Perhaps Michelle’s closing commens and gestures are the best way to remember the disgrace of the latest posterboy for the Moonbats.

omegaram on June 27, 2006 at 1:09 PM

well, that was pretty much a waste of time. I went down to the recruiting office where an anti-recruiting ‘protest rally’ was being held. All I found was a couple of clueless kids and one older guy who looked like he did a few too many hits of acid in his youth. They handed me a pamphlet; I asked for a couple and ripped ‘em up… they didn’t really appreciate that.

They spent their time trying to tell me how recruiters/soldiers/officers/Rumsfeld/Bush do nothing but lie to us; when I pointed out the inconsistencies in Watada’s story they reverted back to “he didn’t know of the atrocities we’re committing over there”. When they mentioned “illegal war” I asked them about the resolution authorizing us to invade Iraq. They repeated their “they lied to us” mantra.

The one good thing is that I stopped into the recruiting office, shook the hand of the Army Sgt in there, and thanked him for everything he’s done/doing for our country.

dalewalt on June 27, 2006 at 1:11 PM

It’s funny to hear the Left say “illegal war” over and over again. It reminds me of an exchange in one of my favorite movies:

“INCONCEIVABLE!”

“You keep using the word. I do not think it means what you think it does.”

Now substitute “inconceivable” with “illegal”. In the Liberal’s mind, apparently “illegal”, when applied to a war or anything revealed by the NYT, really means “I WISH it were illegal.”

Not sure what they mean when they say “immoral”, though. That would imply a moral compass of some sort… which isn’t possible when everything is relative and there’s no such thing as Evil (except George W. Bush, of course).

Dave Shay on June 27, 2006 at 1:39 PM

I wonder if this LT really had the respect of his men. When an army officer has the respect of his NCOs and soldiers, they will follow him everywhere. At the same time, the officer will do everything for his men. In the perfect situation is kind of a symbiotic relationship.
But this guy doesn’t care for that, he cares for no.1: “Me, myself, and I”.
If he really thought the order to deploy was an illegal order, he’d go up his chain of command to submit that proposal and maybe try to claim conscientous (sp) objetor status (after resigning his commission), not go announcing his decision to the world.
I don’t think he’s acting from conscience, he was posturing. If he is not sent to Leavenworth, you’ll see him running for elective office in Hawaii. Just like John Francois Kerry did.
Coño!!!

batperez on June 27, 2006 at 1:44 PM

After looking at the old June 8 clips, it’s clear that HotAir has come a long way in a short time! I’m glad you are finally broadcasting in color.

Kevin M on June 27, 2006 at 1:44 PM

Of course, Kerry ran in Mass.
Silly me!

batperez on June 27, 2006 at 1:45 PM

I’d love to be a fly on the wall at Watada’s Court Martial. Right now, I figure Watada’s chances are Non-Existant… And Non-Existant.

I hear Kansas is wonderful in the wintertime!

Jack.

Jack Deth on June 27, 2006 at 1:53 PM

Can’t we get his father too, as an accessory before the fact?

Mike H. on June 27, 2006 at 2:16 PM

What’s hard to understand is what part of the war is “illegal” in this guy’s mind. Congress specifically authorized it, as I recall.

The other thing that’s hard to reconcile is why, after the campaign in Iraq had already begun, someone as morally flaccid as this guy chose to enlist. One would’ve thought that by then, all the, “B-b-b-but I only enlisted for the educational benefits!” types would’ve been either weeded out or dissuaded from joining in the first place.

As a former officer, I can confidently say that this guy is an utter disgrace to the military in general, the Army in particular, and the officer corps itself. If he won’t face enemy bullets, it’s a pity that he won’t be called upon to face American ones.

Spurius Ligustinus on June 27, 2006 at 2:23 PM

The only comfort you can draw from this soon to be defrocked “officer” not going over to Iraq is that he showed his true stripes now and didn’t pull this sort of “protest action” by turning his back on his troops in the middle of an engagement. They’re well off without him.

Then again, the only thing it may saved the rank and file soldiers is the trouble of giving him a “Neidermeyer”-style farewell.

And by the way…I think we REALLY need to get a grip in this country on what the word “protest” means. Like the word “INCONCEIVABLE” as quoted in DAVE SHAY’S post, I’m starting to suspect that the people using it are losing what the concept truly entails…And with greater speed every year.

52Ranger on June 27, 2006 at 2:26 PM

Another quick, decidedly movie-driven point…Who’s this man’s hero; Private Judy Benjamin? If he didn’t sign up in the middle of a war to fight, just what was he looking for?The water-skiing?

52Ranger on June 27, 2006 at 2:29 PM

Great Vent folks, as always. Well, what’s to say that has not been said. My question is, where are our site liberals, riding to save the day by defending this cowardly excuse for a dirtbag. He should be ashamed that there is a picture of him wearing the proud patch of 2 ID, a unit I am quite familiar with. I hope his time at Leavenworth is long, and he can think on how quickly the moonbats drop him when some other shiny object catches their attention. Good luck, Pvt. Wantada. I hope you have an “interesting” cellmate.

jcon96 on June 27, 2006 at 2:39 PM

I had a friend upset with me because I doubted the patriotism of a couple of trolls on a post whom she was closely aligned with politically. I try to keep it simple-we are all patriotic until our actions and words show that we are not patriotic.
I believe that in a time of war, the entire country should get behind the President, whomever it may be, instead of trying to destroy him and his admin, and frustrate our efforts to protect ourselves.
Someone elsewhere today mentioned the ‘long con’.
Liberals tell us how terrible our President is, exclaim that the country is in rough shape economically under his admin…so that they can ride in on their white chargers and save the day? And they are willing to become traitors to accomplish thier goals? That’s their ‘long con’.
The country is in great shape under a good President. All that Liberals are showing the country is why they no longer are of concequence.

Doug on June 27, 2006 at 2:49 PM

What great movie references! Inigo Montoya, Neidermeyer, Pvt. Benjamin … y’all are on a roll.

Now where are those pesky liberals? I was really hoping to hear somebody offer up a defense of this gutless girlyman. Nobody?

Professor Blather on June 27, 2006 at 2:50 PM

Another quick, decidedly movie-driven point…Who’s this man’s hero; Private Judy Benjamin? If he didn’t sign up in the middle of a war to fight, just what was he looking for?The water-skiing?

It was the Winnebago (i.e. the Urban Assault Vehicle) he was after.

And to add another movie-driven point … can someone tell me if Leavenworth qualifies as a true F.P.M.I.T.A. prison?

thirteen28 on June 27, 2006 at 2:50 PM

I wish I could be the JAG prosecuting Watada, this would be a beautiful thing to see

Defector01 on June 27, 2006 at 3:04 PM

The country is in great shape under a good President. All that Liberals are showing the country is why they no longer are of concequence.

Amen and amen. You’d think they’d have figured this out by now, huh?

believe that in a time of war, the entire country should get behind the President, whomever it may be, instead of trying to destroy him and his admin, and frustrate our efforts to protect ourselves.

You know what? I don’t even ask that much of liberals. Not even close. They don’t have to “get behind” the President. I ask only one thing: that in the absence of evidence to the contrary, they ASSUME the President and our country are innocent until proven guilty (whatever the charge or scandal might be). I just ask that they give America the benefit of the doubt. I just ask that they don’t eagerly, anxiously go looking for things to bash our country with. I just ask that they don’t actually work AGAINST us.

That’s all I ask.

But it’s apparently too much.

Asking them to actually “get behind” the President is light years beyond my feeble request. Good luck with that.

Professor Blather on June 27, 2006 at 3:08 PM

Asking them to actually “get behind” the President is light years beyond my feeble request. Good luck with that.

All I ask is that someone gets behind Watada when his hatriotism lands him in a F.P.M.I.T.A. prison.

thirteen28 on June 27, 2006 at 3:22 PM

Is anybody organizing counter-protests? I’d love to see a few “Watada is a TRAITOR” signs on Fox News (no other news station would have enough balls to admit they existed, even if they were outnumbered a thousand to one)…

RH

RobertHuntingdon on June 27, 2006 at 4:00 PM

Well Watada is a disgrace not only as an officer but as a man. It is not up to him to decide if a war is legal or not. It is up to him to decide if his actions in prosecution of that war are illegal however as witnessed by the numerous service members who have been put on trial for their actions. To me it appears that this was, at least on some level, planned prior to his entry onto active duty or at the very least shortly there after in an attempt to shirk his duty. It is best that he did not deploy, since it probably saved lives. This guy is a coward to his core. I would love to see how Gen Patton would have handled this.
I do want the military to prosecute this guy and to throw the entire weight of military justice behind it. I would like to see him sentenced to a prison term that could only be terminated with cessation of hostilities in the war on terror. In other words basically what would amount to a life sentence.

LakeRuins on June 27, 2006 at 4:17 PM

Prof. Blather said: Or was it all on purpose? Is he a complete phony and fraud who lied when he joined the military and did it SOLELY so he could pull this stunt when his unit was deployed?

I totally agree. sounds like he did this so he could have his 15 minutes of anti-war protest fame. I wonder WHO is backing him financially?? move-on, perhaps? soros??

pullingmyhairout on June 27, 2006 at 4:43 PM

It is not up to him to decide if a war is legal or not.

Fine with me if he wants to (wrongly) conclude a war is “illegal” (whatever that actually means). Just don’t go and join the frickin’ military AFTER that war begins.

Well, what’s to say that has not been said. My question is, where are our site liberals, riding to save the day by defending this cowardly excuse for a dirtbag.

That’s an awfully good question.

It is up to him to decide if his actions in prosecution of that war are illegal however as witnessed by the numerous service members who have been put on trial for their actions.

And that right there is the most important question and I haven’t even seen anyone bring it up.

Everyone’s talking about this “illegal war”,” but LakeRuins is right: that’s not up to Watada. Ever. Never. His only right (and duty) is to refuse unlawful ORDERS. Whether the war is unlawful is irrelevant, no matter what they say at DU; what matters is whether he received an unlawful order.

I guess he’ll claim that even the order to deploy was unlawful. I wonder if he would have protested orders to Germany or Japan or Korea or Kosovo? After all, if we’re occupying Iraq we’re certainly still occupying those places.

If Watada was a politically smart loony liberal (and if he had a shred of courage), he would have deployed to Iraq and THEN refused an order. At least then he might have had a legal leg to stand on.

Of course, he might have gotten shot for it, too. It’s a little easier to “bravely” refuse an order sitting in an air-condition barracks room in the States.

Now where are those trolls hiding? Somebody’s got to be willing to defend this chump. Better BetterOff will do it.

Professor Blather on June 27, 2006 at 4:51 PM

Is he a complete phony and fraud who lied when he joined the military and did it SOLELY so he could pull this stunt when his unit was deployed?

That was my first thought as well. What are the other options? Ignorance (didn’t know troops were deployed in Iraq)? Kerryism (he supported the war before he didn’t support the war)?

Following in this vein:

  • Bakers Against Bread
  • Voters Against Democracy
  • The Anti-Free-Speech Debate Club
  • moveon.com (c’mon, someone has to get that)

And as much as I respect people’s right to object to the resumption of war in Iraq, they sort of lose me when they call it “illegal.” Yeah… illegal to the dictator who was toppled. But not illegal to the UN or the United States. Not illegal to the Clinton administration.

Congress authorized the war, both the first time we went there, and when the ceasefire agreement was breached and went back. The U.N. specifically authorized the initial military action, and also passed resolutions mentioning the use of force for the enforcement of the various resolutions passed since then.

I’ll consider someone’s thoughts on the war being “stupid” or “unnecessary” or “risky.” But “illegal” isn’t even close to being a matter of opinion, in this case.

Mark Jaquith on June 27, 2006 at 5:08 PM

If Watada was a politically smart loony liberal (and if he had a shred of courage), he would have deployed to Iraq and THEN refused an order. At least then he might have had a legal leg to stand on.

This is a good point. A soldier should refuse illegal orders. Like, if a real life “Jesse Macbeth” were ordered to murder defenseless civilians. He’s required to refuse that order. And I (and I imagine most of you), would applaud him for that.

But refusing to deploy for a war authorized by Congress and that you signed up for is really really stupid.

Mark Jaquith on June 27, 2006 at 5:18 PM

Watada is a phoney,
when he signed up he did it for the anti-war freaks and was told he could just drop out or run to canada real fast and they would help his sorry a–.
But they didn’t count on him trying to stand up to the government and now they no longer can help him..
He’s a sorry a– loser ..
If he was my son and thank god he’s not I would kick his butt to the MP’S to lock him up…
I have a strong courageous ALL AMERICAN MAN for a son,
he did his Basic,AIT school,and he was a Paratrooper in 82nd airborne and now he transferred into the 1st Cavalry …
And believe it or not i’m lucky to know that because I usually forget what he told me..
He is a great son and a Husband and a Father but he’s a SOLDIER FIRST….Thanks for the vent Michelle…

alyce on June 27, 2006 at 6:11 PM

Alyce, thank you for bringing up such a fine son, obviously you taught him right. And my thanks to him for carrying on for the rest of us who have been there, done that and have the t-shirt to prove it. :) I am sure he exemplifies all that is good in the US military.

jcon96 on June 27, 2006 at 6:59 PM

Yes he does..
I have another son but they turned him down because he has a heart murmur that we can’t fix..
Boy would he be pissed to hear about this phoney and would consider trying to go back to the recruiters office, just to get turn down again..He’s stubborn like his mom..

alyce on June 27, 2006 at 7:14 PM

Watada has already been to Korea, as evidenced by the patch on his uniform in some of the pictures, the big Indianhead patch of the 2nd ID in Korea. In his own interview to the Seattle newspaper when he first went public he stated he would go if ordered to Afghanistan but not Iraq. (That is of course unless he got orders for Afghanistan.) Not sure what his job was in Korea. I reasearched the local newspaper for the 2nd Infantry Division and while it indicated that he was mentioned in one of the stories in an issue in their archives I was unable to locate the story.

LakeRuins on June 27, 2006 at 8:02 PM

Watada enlisted after the Irag operation began. He knew what he was getting into. Now he claims that it is an illegal war?

Watada is a liar, a fraud, a coward and a traitor.

FWIW, I’m an ex-USAF/ANG enlisted swine (E-6).

Rusty Bill on June 27, 2006 at 8:23 PM

Technically, Watada did a very stupid thing. He is sending himself to jail.

Politically, he is not that smart neither. He will never be in the inner liberal circle. May be he can join Cindy Sheehan to be her side kick.

easy87us on June 27, 2006 at 9:02 PM

This guy is a disgrace and Michelle looks great. That’s all I’ve got.

Metro on June 28, 2006 at 12:40 AM