Stupid Global Warming Tricks
posted at 9:51 am on June 23, 2006 by Bryan
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Until recently I didn’t believe in global warming, but now I realize that people are sweating much more than they were only 6 months ago. This is clear evidence that global warming is real.
wcarr on June 23, 2006 at 10:03 AM
I’d really like to respond, but I’m too busy laughing at the moment. Ow! My sides! I think I just wet myself.
When I say “global,” you say “warming!”
“GLOBAL!”
“WARMING!”
I’m laughing so hard I’m crying now. Are they cheering for global warming?
How on Earth do liberals EVER get elected?
I’ll be back when my guffaws have subsided to mere chuckles. THAT was funny.
Professor Blather on June 23, 2006 at 10:06 AM
Does anyone know how these alarmists explain the past cycles when the global temperatures were high? Or is that not to be mentioned in their theory.
Wade on June 23, 2006 at 10:14 AM
I can see that the Gov’t re-education centers are working, Joseph Goebbels would be proud
Global Warming has become a religion to these moon bats.
ScottyDog on June 23, 2006 at 10:16 AM
WOW! What can I possibly say?
I have noticed that the soap in the soap dishes here at home tend to melt faster due to global warming, not to mention that everytime I flush, the water shoots up as if a depth charge went off (must be due to all of that excess water from melting icebergs).
I think that the release of CO2 in the atmosphere probably does do something up there, but has it really been proven that it is the ULTIMATE cause of the warming if that is indeed going on? Our weather is affected by heat, pressure, moisture, and the mixing process. I heard a scientist state that the Earth goes through temperature cycles (Ice Age to Warm Age to Ice Age) and we have finally come out of the tail end of Ice Age that existed a very long time ago.
Cyclic changes in the Earth is a natural occurance to begin with. I think that we just happen to be witnessing changes right now, additives in the atmosphere not withstanding.
The Earth can recycle itself to adapt to whatever it encounters. Many things play a part in the cycles of the Earth-human, animal, plant, ocean.
The False Dervish on June 23, 2006 at 10:20 AM
Stop harshing their mellow with facts, Wade. You’re going to confuse them.
Did you see the big story that came out earlier in the week, the headline screaming “Earth hottest in 400 years!?”
Was I the only one that laughed and saw a little problem with it?
Didn’t the MSM just ADMIT that it was, in fact, his hot 400 years ago?
:) The logic train just left the station and the liberals didn’t have tickets, I guess. I think they were trying to be alarmist - but all they did was remind us all that it’s been this hot in the past, and the cycle (as you note) will repeat itself over and over again.
In fact, the truth is that we’re due for another ice age in the next couple millenia.
Which reminds me: who else remembers the mid-70s when liberals were all harping about global COOLING?
Professor Blather on June 23, 2006 at 10:22 AM
Please, don’t encourage these people by responding seriously to this foolishness.
wcarr on June 23, 2006 at 10:26 AM
When I say “global,” you say “warming!”
GLOBAL …
(crickets strum banjos)
I said … GLOBAL …!
(crickets lick harmonicas)
Sigh. You guys just don’t care about Mother Earth. Please. Please save her. Think of the glaciers. Do you realize the earth is almost a full degree warmer today then when McKinley was President?
Remember the glaciers. And the ice cream man. Do it for the children.
Now here we go … “GLOBAL!”
Ahhh, you guys are no fun.
Professor Blather on June 23, 2006 at 10:38 AM
I am sure the Global Warming will last until 2008.
Then it will be ice age for all the liberals until 2012.
easy87us on June 23, 2006 at 10:40 AM
Blather,
I’ll play along…
“WARMING!!”
My deoderant isn’t working anymore. must be global warming.
my hair is frizzy with all the humidity. must be global warming.
Barbara Streisand is coming out of retirement. must be global warming.
BWHAAHHAAAHAAAHAAAAHAAAA!!!!!
I’m going to california in a few weeks. i think i’ll wear a t-shirt that says: I MELT GLOBAL ICECAPS
pullingmyhairout on June 23, 2006 at 10:42 AM
You guys mock at Global Warming, but…
on any given Summer afternoon if I put an egg on top of my car, it cooks! And that was impossible 500 years ago.
Ropera on June 23, 2006 at 10:42 AM
Or better yet, I think i’ll start making bumper stickers with I MELT GLOBAL ICE CAPS and see if i can get Algore to put one on his private jet…
pullingmyhairout on June 23, 2006 at 10:43 AM
Ropera,
is it hard-cooked or just easy over??
pullingmyhairout on June 23, 2006 at 10:44 AM
This is one of those that I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. Those you-tube clips were…painful. I always wondered what a hardcore eco-nazi looked and sounded like. I particularly enjoyed the Algore animation. So appropriate. Honestly though, I don’t see how this can be combatted. During my childhood we had the global cooling scare as someone mentioned above. How do you argue with someone who changes direction almost randomly depending on what you attempt to rebut with? It’s almost like the war on terrorism..we’ve had a good couple of weeks that they are having a very hard time talking down. When the world doesn’t end due to Global Warming in 10 years, they won’t be discredited. They’ll just project it farther out. Personally, my favorite phenomenon was El Nino. That means…the..Nino. Ah, Chris Farley, we hardly knew ye.
austinnelly on June 23, 2006 at 10:45 AM
Michelle’s summer look has contributed at least 10 degrees to global warming.
easy87us on June 23, 2006 at 10:46 AM
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
They actually wonder why we laugh at them!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Theworldisnotenough on June 23, 2006 at 10:48 AM
austinnelly,
Like the weather?
wcarr on June 23, 2006 at 10:52 AM
The CO2 that we are releasing back to the atmosphere was once in the atmosphere. It was converted to plant celloluse through photosynthesis and collected underground.
If you want to know what would happen if we release the CO2 back into the atmosphere, check the ice core sample a few hundred million years back.
Yes…nice…Canada was a temperate zone. Dinosaurs ran wilds. Forest everywhere. Very little deserts. 80% of the world was tropical!
Look at us now…deserts everywhere…
What we need is more trees and more CO2! We want our tropical paradise back.
Cutting CO2 is like cutting food to the trees. It is suicidal to cut trees down and also cut the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.
easy87us on June 23, 2006 at 10:56 AM
I’m doing my part, by holding in my farts.
Richsamg on June 23, 2006 at 10:56 AM
Here’s what I sent in to ABC:
Since you mentioned it, it does seem that there are some new creatures that have arrived in my community. They have brown skin, and when they talk, they sound like Ricky Ricardo, except I can’t understand what they’re saying. They also seem to be attracted to the color green. They seem to like grass a lot, because they’re usually working on it, and a friend of mine who can understand what they are saying says they’re looking for a green card of some sort of the other. And they usually get paid in cash (more green stuff). Something about having to have a social security number to open up a bank account.
Global warming must have raised the temperatures in their homeland to such an unbearable degree that they were all forced to migrate north. This is terrible! We need to fix this global warming issue right away so that these poor uprooted people can go back to their homeland. Where they belong.
Evilwhiteguy on June 23, 2006 at 11:06 AM
Some of my old pants don’t fit me anymore - it must be global warming.
speed647 on June 23, 2006 at 11:09 AM
I remember the “Big Three” all screaming about the coming “Global Ice Age” in the 70’s. Funny, they sure didn’t seem to be the “good old days” back then…oh, well!
tormod on June 23, 2006 at 11:50 AM
National Academy of Science report (requested by House Committee on Science) concludes global warming is a fact, and that man made causes are a major factor. This report, released earlier this week, can be found on the EPA or Academy websites.
Unless of course you already know all there is to know about this, like Sean Hannity, who was yakking about it the other night. Stephen Hawkings has also jumped into the fray, taking the side of, well, the scientific community.
Let me see: Sean Hannity, proud owner of a high school diploma on one hand; Stephen Hawkings, physicist holding the chair at Cambridge originally held by Isaac Newton, on the other.
I’ll try to figure this out after I deal with “the earth: flat or round?” debate.
I am particularly amused by Bush on this: originally stated no global warming, amended to ok there is global warming but it’s natural, not man-made, amended to ok there is global warming and part of it is likely man-made but we can cut down on CO2 emissions, because it would cost jobs.
The mind boggles.
honora on June 23, 2006 at 12:09 PM
Professor,
I had the “global cooling” article attached to my cubicle wall until I was asked to take it down recently. It was determined to be “unprofessional”. Rush has a link to it cooling world
I pointed out to one of my lefty-alarmist friends that some of the receeding ice has uncovered Viking Farms in Greenland, but has not yet revealed any of their SUVs :-)
For the possible few who don’t know, the junkman has tons of science to squelch this gabage
-FOG
Fogpig on June 23, 2006 at 12:13 PM
Ropera on June 23, 2006 at 10:42 AM
on any given Summer afternoon if I put an egg on top of my car, it cooks! And that was impossible 500 years ago.
.
Impossible INDEED-Pretty damn hard to find a CAR 500 years ago ropera.
shooter on June 23, 2006 at 12:38 PM
OK Honora,
so let’s just assume for a minute that global warming is a fact (which I dispute). If it IS true, then whose to blame? God knows you won’t blame China or Russia. I’m sure it’s ALL AMERICA’S FAULT, ESPECIALLY BUSH. because we ALL KNOW that global warming started on January 20, 2001 and that it didn’t exist before that.
pullingmyhairout on June 23, 2006 at 12:41 PM
oh yea, i forgot that it’s all of us rednecks here in texas driving their big ford f350 diesel trucks back and forth to the grocery store.
pullingmyhairout on June 23, 2006 at 12:42 PM
Hmmm… and the FACT that the sun is going through a hot phase right now… and 5 other bodies in the solar system seem to have global warming… just seems to be ignored…
OR the fact that the National Academy of Science board was put together to answer some specific questions on global warming and the methods used to “detect” it, and apparently never answered those questions… sooo… it was a rubber stamp on the issue… not anything new… ie, more politics than science.
Scary, very scary…
Romeo13 on June 23, 2006 at 12:43 PM
Romeo13 above makes a good point - in the last several years, observations of the polar ice caps on Mars have shown them to be receding more than just their normal seasonal variations. Last time I checked, human activity on Mars was pretty much non-existent. On the other hand, Mars does share one thing in common with the Earth - they both orbit the Sun.
For some, it is politics, for others, it’s religion, as Michael Crichton so eloquently notes in this speech.
http://www.sullivan-county.com/immigration/e2.html
thirteen28 on June 23, 2006 at 12:55 PM
Romeo, they don’t care. I said the Global Warming fad will be over December 2008. Mark my words.
You know and I know this is just another political thing the liberals discovered withthe intention to slow down our economic grwoth as well as shut down our energy development!
Last time tbhey were against the nuclear industry, now they want to shut down all our coal/oil burning power plants!
I say,let us warm up this planets! I want Chicago to feel like Aruba!
easy87us on June 23, 2006 at 12:57 PM
honora, it scares me when you say “the scientific community” referring to those that believe in the man-made-global-increase-in-temperature dogma. Is man-caused global warming even a theory yet? I mean, by the scientific method?
There are MANY scientists who believe quite the opposite, that, in fact, since we are emerging from an ice age that occurred just 10,000 years ago, of COURSE WE ARE WARMING UP!!!
One of the main factors in warming is water vapor. Do you propose we cover the ocean and all lakes?
In an environmental ethics course I took I read a book called “The Skeptical Environmentalist” which I think should be required reading for all environMENTALists, who are not scientists but political hacks.
It’s important to note that if we’d followed the likes of you during the 70’s we’d have blasted the earth with heat in an attempt to stop global cooling. Boy we’d sure be hot now if we’d done that.
It’s HILARIOUS that liberals believe in darwinism and then want to play God when something changes in accordance with Darwin’s theory of evolution. Evolve liberals!
NTWR on June 23, 2006 at 12:59 PM
Nutshell!
They demand evolution be taught and curse anyone who would speak otherwise, but the climate can never change! No evolution allowed there!
ScottG on June 23, 2006 at 1:07 PM
easy87us says… “Michelle’s summer look has contributed at least 10 degrees to global warming.”
Ditto That!
Lawrence on June 23, 2006 at 1:19 PM
honora:
Please explain something to me. Approximately 15,000 years ago, the Earth went through an extremely rapid global warming period. Prior to that, the Earth was in an ice age, wherein the polar ice caps extended significantly into what is U.S. territory today (meaning the contiguous 48 states). Human beings at that time did not drive SUV’s or burn coal for power. In fact, human beings at that time were still hunter-gatherers, as the agricultural revolution was still about 5000 years in their future.
How did the Earth warm up so much back then? How, without human impact, did the Earth warm up so much in a relatively short period of time (geologically speaking)? How did it warm up so much, without human impact, that the northern polar ice cap receded so much that it now doesn’t even touch northern Canada?
If you were to actually offer a coherent explanation you’d be the first advocate of the man-made global warming theory to do so. But I expect you will run from the question just as much as the rest of them. Like true believers of other stripes, you don’t like your faith questioned.
thirteen28 on June 23, 2006 at 1:24 PM
pullingmyhairout: My expertise is in the business world, so I certainly can’t pretend to understand the issue in real depth, therefore I look to the people who are best credentialed to address the issue. If global warming and its causal relationship to mankind is true, I respectfully submit it doesn’t really matter who is at fault. Bush didn’t start this, he is simply taking his usual business interests above all (see immigration policy..)approach. The US is probably the biggest contributor based on being the primary industrial nation, but China is coming on strong.
NTWR: global warming is most certainly a bona fide theory and yes by the usual definition and determination via the scientific method. Suggest you take the time to read the Academy’s report. What is most frustrating to the scientists looking into this is the difficulty they have parsing the manmade from natural causes in terms of measurement, given the paucity of data until relatively recently; also, a lot of the measurement is based on observation which has its own bias as well. But as we all know, discovery is messy.
honora on June 23, 2006 at 1:35 PM
Honora, global warming is not an established theory. It is, in fact, a fact-disapproved-already myth.
There is no one, in any scientific reports, to dispute that there were heating and cooling cycles in the past that have nothing to do with us burning fossil fuel!
Global warming is a myth, not a theory!
easy87us on June 23, 2006 at 1:44 PM
Still waiting for you to explain the massive, rapid global warming that occurred at the end of the last ice age, honora.
Insert chirping cricket noise here.
thirteen28 on June 23, 2006 at 1:58 PM
Great vid, Michelle - although it almost warranted a “NSFW” rating because I was laughing so hard that I was afraid I might attract attention to my cube at the office.
Spurius Ligustinus on June 23, 2006 at 2:01 PM
The cause of GW is entirely misunderstood.
The rate of GW would immediately decrease if the leagues of blithering idiots proselyting their doctrine would stop talking about it. The drop in hot air(no connection to this website intended) released worldwide would be dramatic.
ztep86 on June 23, 2006 at 2:13 PM
Honora said: Bush didn’t start this, he is simply taking his usual business interests above all (see immigration policy..)approach.
Honora, spare me the liberal rhetoric. Can’t you come up with something better than this? What a simple minded approach - that bush does EVERYTHING to line his pocketbook and that he is in the pockets of BIG OIL (that same BIG OIL that provides hundreds of thousands of world-wide jobs, healthcare benefits, retirement benefits and very good livable wages for so many people.)
gag me. i’m going to leave now for vacation in my SUV and burn some fossil fuels to get there.
signing off for a while,
xoxo
pullingmyhairout on June 23, 2006 at 2:17 PM
You’re absolutely right. But of course, if they did that, the funding for those who have the proper ‘credentials’ would dry up and then the anointed ones would have to make an honest living that produces some useful scientific research. In other words, don’t count on it.
thirteen28 on June 23, 2006 at 2:18 PM
Am I the only one that noticed Michelle’s terrified look as she popped that balloon? C’mon, people… it’s hilarious!
Frogbrother on June 23, 2006 at 2:24 PM
thirteen28: well, first of all, we are still in the ice age, if you ascribe to the generally accepted definition of the typically long, cool intervals during which glaciers advance and retreat. Our modern climate represents a very short, warm period between glacial advances, and if the past is a guide, we should (naturally) be looking for a cooling trend that would return us to the cycle of glacial advances. The concern is that this is not happening as one would predict and that the rate of change in the level of CO2 in the atmosphere is accelerating.
What causes ice ages in the first place? And what causes them to end? Well the most popular theories look at some combination of plate teutonics, changes in the earth’s rotation, and changes in the level of C02 in the atmosphere. There is no real consensus on the exact combination of factors. If you’re looking for a short explanation, you won’t find it. (Like anything else worth knowing, it’s difficult to fully comprehend. Pity as we live in a time when most folks are only able to express their world views in a format that fits on a bumper sticker. Forget global warming, we are surer to all perish due to massive stupidity.)
honora on June 23, 2006 at 2:28 PM
I remember when the “greenhouse effect” was “holes in the ozone layer”… the CFC were going up and seperating the O2 molecules of the ozone, (by creating H2O, mind you)… but now its the CO2 going up and creating a greenhouse effect…hmmmm
rahjr2k on June 23, 2006 at 2:31 PM
I still want some liberal to answer some really easy questions for me:
1) Why was the scientific community guaranteeing a coming global COOLING catastrophe just 25 years ago?
Let me illustrate with a hilarious 1972 Washington Post quote:
“”We simply cannot afford to gamble. We cannot risk inaction. The scientists who disagree are acting irresponsibly. The indications that our climate can soon change for the worse are too strong to be reasonably ignored.”
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1034077.cms
Sound familiar? Of course it does. You hear it every day now, right? Just one problem - he was talking about global COOLING.
I know you’re feeling sheepish; I know you’re embarrassed. So I won’t ask you to explain. Just a personal favor: could you just pick ONE thing to be frantic about and stick with it for a generation or two? Thanks!
Another one I’m curious about! Last week the liberal media was abuzz with news that the world was “the hottest its been in 400 years!” Some scientists said it was the hottest its been in 1000 years. Okay - but isn’t there a logical problem there? If it WAS this hot 400 or 1000 years ago — does that mean the world was COOLING until recently? And if the world was this hot 1000 years ago, why do I care that its that hot now? Wait a minute … was George Bush causing GLOBAL WARMING a thousand years ago, too?
http://news.com.com/Earths+temperature+at+400-year+high/2100-11395_3-6087108.html
But here’s my favorite question and it should be the easiest to answer. If the world is so damn hot all of a sudden … how do you explain the record cold temperatures in the least few years and decades? Follow the links, and get back to us.
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/YongLiLiang.shtml
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories/s557.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200606/s1665308.htm
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/12/07/D8EBJ3LOH.html
By the way, let me make one thing clear: although I mock the liberals for swallowing this obviously silly (and logically impossible) tripe about global warming, that doesn’t mean we should’t take steps to cut emissions, lower pollution, etc. As long as it doesn’t destroy the economy, it can’t hurt - and maybe I could look down at L.A. without having a layer of brown haze in my way.
Now let’s get back to the protest! When I say “global,” you say “warming!”
GLOBAL!
Professor Blather on June 23, 2006 at 2:37 PM
Michelle popping the balloon was the pricless bit…that and the outfit. ;)
Malpaso on June 23, 2006 at 2:39 PM
correction to above post: tectonics, not teutonics–that’s actually pretty funny though, damned Europeans.
rahjr2k: and your point is what? That these 2 things are mutually exclusive? Why?
honora on June 23, 2006 at 2:40 PM
Oh, pick me, pick me. I know the answer.
Three words: Wooly mammoth farts.
Professor Blather on June 23, 2006 at 2:41 PM
This global warming thing is freezing my nads off!
See?:
January 5, 2001 — NOAA scientists announced today that the U.S. national temperature during the November through December two-month period was the coldest such period on record.
Professor Blather on June 23, 2006 at 2:43 PM
Seriously, if this global warming thing continues I’m going to need a much thicker parka:
DANGEROUS COLD: Record Breaking Temperatures in CNY 1/15/04
During the week of Janurary 12, 2004, Central New York plunged into its deepest freeze in eight years, hitting a low of minus 18 degrees on Wednesday morning.
It was the coldest temperature ever recorded on Jan. 14, 2004 in Syracuse, breaking the record of minus 17 that stood for 90 years.
Professor Blather on June 23, 2006 at 2:46 PM
Oh, no! Looks like global warming is affecting the Russians, too!
Record-Low Temperatures Sweep Across Russia
by Gregory Feifer
All Things Considered, January 20, 2006 · Russia is experiencing Arctic temperatures, which have closed schools and killed at least seven people in Moscow alone. Authorities are warning factories they may experience power cuts as the 50-year record-low temperatures are expected to continue.
Professor Blather on June 23, 2006 at 2:49 PM
Blather-boy: how much has science and technology advanced since 1972? In medicine, in communications, in miniaturization, in agriculture, in transportation, in materials, in weaponry etc. But study of the climate, THAT we should expect to remain static??
Why?
honora on June 23, 2006 at 2:50 PM
Oh my goodness! It’s worse than I thought! Someone, quick, for the love of God, get Al Gore on the phone.
The global warming epidemic has even hit the Australians!
Last Update: Saturday, June 17, 2006. 8:00am (AEST)
Perth freezes under record temperature
The Perth metropolitan area has shivered through its coldest night on record.
The bureau of Meteorology says records tumbled overnight.
Professor Blather on June 23, 2006 at 2:51 PM
Blather-boy: surely you see the fallacy of your laundry list of discrete cold temp records? Forget climate–in looking at trends in anything, the process is to look at moving averages. Jeez.
(Hey! The Kansas City Royals won 4 games in a row as of yesterday and scored over 20 runs in that period of time–they must be the greatest team ever!!)
honora on June 23, 2006 at 2:54 PM
So you don’t have aaaaaaaaaaaaaany problem, not even a wee little one, with absolute panic over global COOLING becoming absolute panic over global WARMING in the space of a couple decades?
They were THAT wrong then and they’re THAT right now? You sure about that?
C’mon. Admit it. No way that doesn’t bother you juuuuuuuuust a little. It’s okay. Fess up. We won’t tell.
By the way - does this mean your sticking with “warming” as your final answer? Fair enough. But no switching, okay?
(But … but … in 20 more years they’ll have even smarter scientists, so maybe I will switch …….?)
God I love liberals. They taste like snowcones.
Professor Blather on June 23, 2006 at 2:55 PM
Hmmmm. Looks like 1993 was a particularly bad year for the global warming epidemic. Thank goodness we survived that heat wave!
CONGRESS ACTION: January 11, 1998
================
COLDEST YEAR ON RECORD: “In the lower stratosphere 1993 was extremely cold, the coldest temperatures on record.” — National Climatic Data Center of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
Did you miss the headlines across the country which revealed that 1993 was the coldest year on record? How about the news that the most reliable measurements of atmospheric temperatures have shown a consistant COOLING trend for nearly the last 20 years? (The lower tropospheric temperature trend has been calculated to be -0.04 degrees C/decade. — NASA Marshall Space Flight Center).
Professor Blather on June 23, 2006 at 2:59 PM
When did all liberals become
?
wcarr on June 23, 2006 at 2:59 PM
Oh dear God - global warming is hitting Washington and North Dakota, too. Someone save the children. The heat will wither their poor little bodies away:
At Williston, ND a new coldest temperature record of -9°F was set on October 30, 2002. This sets a new record for the coldest temperature ever recorded during the month of October, breaking a record of -3°F set on October 29, 1895 and on October 30, 1991.
4. At Olympia, WA an all time record low temperature for the month of October was set at 14°F on October 31, 2002. This new record stands as the coldest October minimum temperature ever recorded at Olympia since records began in 1948, breaking the old record of 21°F set on October 30, 1972.
Professor Blather on June 23, 2006 at 3:02 PM
:)
Okay, I’m stopping. As much as I’m amusing myself. Time to get back to work. Truly entertaining watching honora get all hot under the collar, though. Hot? Get it?
And yes, wcarr: all liberals think they’re scientists. Where have you been? Except 20 years ago when they were all apparently wrong, they must have been conservatives or something.
One last cheer: when I say “global,” you say “warming!”
GLOBAL ….
Professor Blather on June 23, 2006 at 3:06 PM
Exactly - which is why I don’t take the man-made global warming theory as gospel in the first place.
I don’t care what all the properly credentialed scientists say about man-made global warming, in the end they are just speculating based on incomplete data while failing to explain other factors such as the concurrent warming of other planets in our solar system or previous periods of rapid warming (and increases in atmospheric CO2 as well). And color me skeptical that their motives are pure when there are so many research dollars to be gained.
thirteen28 on June 23, 2006 at 3:25 PM
Blather boy:
1) for the love of God, from 1972 til now is 34 years–not 20 as you keep saying. (Hint: maybe your grasp of math needs a bit of work before you start trying to run with the big dogs)
2) from your link: “Measurements from tree rings, boreholes and retreating glaciers provide sufficient evidence that the surface temperature of the Earth in the last few decades of the 20th century was higher than any comparable period for the past 400 years, according to a report released Thursday by the NRC that both reinforces and curtails conclusions in an earlier study”.
This is exactly the point: up until relatively recently, the world has been cooling; the heating up started about 100 to 150 years ago, and is accelerating in an atypical fashion.
As for all liberals being scientists, heavens no!! But I suspect more and more scientists are liberals–you know that stem cell research thing, and the right wing embracing of the “crazy as a shithouse rat” evangelicals who seriously contend the earth is only 10,000 years old and that fossils were buried in the earth by Satan to confuse us–I am not making that up.
That kind of nonsense really, really bugs scientists.
honora on June 23, 2006 at 3:32 PM
thirteen28
Good for you. We don’t need no fancy pants book-larnin’ when we can go to blogs like this one. It amazes me that the right holds education, especially higher education, in such contempt. Telling though.
honora on June 23, 2006 at 3:35 PM
Here is your proof that Global warming is a myth..in fat, we are heading for ice age.
Take a look at the last chart, this one is for the long term.
http://www.seed.slb.com/en/scictr/watch/climate_change/change.htm
easy87us on June 23, 2006 at 3:36 PM
Last week I sent in my global warming story about how, 10,000 years ago my neigborhood was at teh leading edge of a 3 mile high glacier, and how the hill I live on was formed by ground scraped off Canada and deposited. I described how the fertile farmland diretcly west is the result of the melting glacier’s outwash plain.
This week I’m sending in a story of fossil hunting in the coal fields just south of here and how 300 million years ago this area was a swamp.
From there I can submit a atory on the high quality of our local drinking water due to the extensive limestone aquifer beneath us, and this area’s previous incarnation as a warm shallow sea.
Bury ‘em with facts!
a hill at was at teh edge of
dm60462 on June 23, 2006 at 3:50 PM
Easy87us:
I’ll bet you a case of Milwaukee’s Best Light and the Dukes of Hazzard Season One DVD (I’m assuming you’re a fellow redneck, right? Aren’t we all?) that are sadly sophomoric friend “honora” will never, ever respond substantively to the information in that article you just linked.
Wanna bet?
I’ll post it for him again - just in case a tiny bit of intellectual honesty finds its way into his thoroughly washed brain:
http://www.seed.slb.com/en/scictr/watch/climate_change/change.htm
If he won’t even try to answer my simple question - he certainly isn’t going to tackle the plain factual analysis on that page.
Do we have a bet? (Are you a sucker?)
Professor Blather on June 23, 2006 at 3:53 PM
Good Vent for a Friday.
Very funny…..
The Ugly American on June 23, 2006 at 3:55 PM
easy87us: You’re kidding right? National Academy of Scientists, don’t listen to those bums, but Schlumberger????
Now’s there’s an independent source, a global supplier of services to the oil business!!!
Holy mother!!!
honora on June 23, 2006 at 4:00 PM
I guess even if global warming WERE real, I am still having trouble seeing the downside to it.
So, the polar bears loose some of their fur coat, the ice caps melt a little and flood areas where, well, mostly liberals reside. Most of the rest of the United States starts enjoying winters a little closer to what the people in Florida enjoy already. We won’t need near the heating oil we used to use, so we can have more gasoline.
So, where is the problem?
No, AlGore already knows the real serious issue in the world is manbearpig, oh wait, he made that one up too.
NRA4Freedom on June 23, 2006 at 4:02 PM
GW is pretty complex. In addition to the other causes/controls that have been listed do not forget ocean salinity in the gulf stream, and soler activity.
It is not Bush’s fault or problem. Presidents for the past 50 years have not done anything about global warming or cooling.
But here is the BIG question:
What can America do about it? Our emisions are lower then China and India. We burn cleaner coal, gas, and gasoline. We have some of the highest emision standards then any other country.
So lets say we stop burning coal. Gasoline is outlawed. We all starve because our economy drops to fourth world status and we freeze to death but thats ok because we are evil Americans and deserve to die.
The man made cause of global warming will continue because China, Russia, India, and several other developing countries will continue to modernize. And they will not care so much about the envirement.
These people do not care about global warminig. They care about food on the table, medicine for their family, building a strong nation etc.
Pretty much what I am saying is, I am tired of liberals painting America as the root of all that is bad that happens to Mother Earth. Other countries are also contributing, and in some cases more then us.
Someone brought up mars warming up.. It IS man made! We sent a rover out their, remember? Damn space program!
:)
Wyrd on June 23, 2006 at 4:03 PM
Blather-boy, thought you were back at the counter, those fries aren’t gonna cook themselves. I looked at the charts–seems to me they show a definite trend up, especially the first one. Seems to me you’re pretty easily suckered–Schlumberger???? (Honora is a woman’s name BTW. Who knew this was such esoteric knowledge…)
honora on June 23, 2006 at 4:03 PM
Sigh. I suppose I should have expected any better from the educationally challenged among us - but I’m still a little surprised “honora” completely ignores that factual science and leaps right into ad hominems against the messenger. The irony (and the hypocrisy) is that he just did precisely what conservatives do - what honora himself just ridiculed above: he dismissed the science based on his own ideology.
Honora, I realize critical thinking skills and independent thought are not your forte - but take another look at the page Easy posted for you.
Forget the author of the page; note where the data comes from: is it now your contention that the data that graph is based on can’t be trusted because the NOAA (National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Admistration) was politically biased and submitted false data? (And if I’m not mistaken, wasn’t that study actually conducted under the Clinton administration?)
Is that really the best you can do?
A challenge for you - look at the graph and honestly attempt to explain it.
Or is actual debate and discourse completely beyond you?
And do you - or do you not - admit to feeling just a wee little bit uncomfortable that (some) scientists in the 70s and (some) scientists today are preaching diametrically opposed theories?
Yes - or - no.
I don’t believe you have the integrity to give either Easy or I a straight answer.
Let’s see if I’m right, shall we?
(Easy - want to go double or nothing? I’ll throw in a case of Schlitz and tickets to a Tanya Tucker concert)
Professor Blather on June 23, 2006 at 4:08 PM
Wyrd: I take your point. And yes, liberals do blame America and Bush for a lot reflexively. BUT, the other side tends to obfuscate a lot of issues with: this is simply liberal whining/bitching/blaming; and the point is, maybe it is and maybe it isn’t, it doesn’t necessarily obviate the issue.
As to what can be done: well the point is to start asking those questions. Perhaps nothing, but I don’t accept that just yet. (Thanks for some reasonable discourse in any case!!)
honora on June 23, 2006 at 4:09 PM
Oh, Ms. Honora - you really make this a little too easy. I’m going to quote someone. The quote may look familiar.
That was you, of course. Fair enough. Now look at the only graph on Easy’s link that matters - the last one which, as you so aptly put it, displays moving averages over the course of the last half a million years.
http://www.seed.slb.com/en/scictr/watch/climate_change/change.htm
Game.
Set.
Match.
Next troll, please.
Professor Blather on June 23, 2006 at 4:12 PM
Blather boy: I looked at the data, it’s inconclusive–read the narrative, they make the same point. Save for the first chart which shows a dramatic shift upwards for the last 200 years.
Do I feel uncomfortable that scientists today hold different views than ones expressed in the 70s? No. (But that’s just me, I have also given up my Beta).
This is getting tiresome, seems like it’s down to only about 6 or 7 to 1, not enough of a challenge. Perhaps I will be back Monday.
honora on June 23, 2006 at 4:16 PM
You, honora, are simply a coward. Thank you for proving it.
Professor Blather on June 23, 2006 at 4:18 PM
No - manbearpig is a deadly threat. I’ve seen him. How dare you minimize the danger?!
;)
Easy - I want my beer.
Professor Blather on June 23, 2006 at 4:20 PM
All I know is it is already in the 90’s here, and 105 with the heat index, and it is only June! Something must be the cause, and that something is global warming!
Or the fact I am in South Florida, one of the two….:)
jcon96 on June 23, 2006 at 4:21 PM
Dropping the politics aside, and the reason for global warming, if the trend continues and temperatures rise all we can really do is to live with it. To evolve with the changes is about it. Global warming is far to complex to blame it on one source. krakatoa may go up again in the next few years. That will dump more greenhouse gasses then anything man has ever done.
In some ways we should look at man like we do the beavers. A beaver family dams up a stream making a pond. It floods and kills the local fuana and changes the landscape around it. But thats considered natural, a part of nature. Under that logic, everything man does is an act of nature. This does not absolve us of the responsibility to preserve the world around us, but in the same token we should not become suicidaly conservationist in the desire to preserve nature at all costs.
All moot anyways, in 3 years a massive asteroid will hit earth and wipe out all life anyhow.
(Don’t ask how I know, the end is nigh! Now where is my placard???)
Wyrd on June 23, 2006 at 4:25 PM
I thought Bruce Willis took care of that?
Professor Blather on June 23, 2006 at 4:28 PM
Mars is also heating up, it is also experiencing global warming. No kidding, just read the astronomy reports. The libs only conclusion is that the emissions from your SUV reach all the way to Mars. Dude!
Mojave Mark on June 23, 2006 at 4:28 PM
This is pretty good mythbuster. I have it saved on my computer, along with other GW myths, to show my environmentalist future sister-in-law. She was watching a show with me once and they cut down a diseasd tree, and she was very upset over that. I’m pretty sure, though, that the killing of babies is OK with her.
StephC on June 23, 2006 at 4:36 PM
No Mojave! its the mars Rover! damn intergalactic SUV’s!
Prof, have you read the review of that movie at http://www.intuitor.com/moviephysics/ Its pretty funny.
In any case, Bruce is a great American, one of the few Hollywood celebs that truly supports our troops and is not a bleeding heart liberal. But he was unable to complete the mission. The emisions on his rocket exceeded the EPA’s requirements and it was canceled.
Wyrd on June 23, 2006 at 4:37 PM
Wyrd: Massive mutant astroids??? Or just garden variety? I really feel the whole plain old astroid thing has been done to death. So 2000…
honora on June 23, 2006 at 4:42 PM
Wyrd:
Great, great link. Loved the review of Armageddon, especially how even if they would have pulled it off, the tidal consequences of the two giant pieces of asteroid would have destroyed the planet anyway.
Did you see the bit on the front page about whether a cigarette could light a puddle of gasoline. Hilarious. I love the picture of a lit cigarette in a bowl full of gasoline.
Professor Blather on June 23, 2006 at 4:47 PM
Remember Wyrd the Rover is solar powered so it’s for sure that emissions from YOUR Hummer H2 that are causing global warming on Mars. We’ve got to act now to save Mars from global warming. Will you all stand with me and fight this insideous overheating. Save Mars now!
Mojave Mark on June 23, 2006 at 4:50 PM
StephC:
Another fascinating link. I forgot that bit about Greenland being warm enough for settlement 1000 years ago. And vineyards in England! I still think the loony left should have stuck with global cooling as their hysteria-du-jour. At least with that one, they’re going to be right eventually.
Sorry to hear about your sister-in-law. She’d probably feel better if the tree was just a sapling. ;)
Professor Blather on June 23, 2006 at 4:52 PM
Hey Steph C again:
Any idea what the data is on THIS now:
“A Gallup poll found that only 17 percent of the members of the Meteorological Society and the American Geophysical Society think that the warming of the 20th century has been a result of greenhouse gas emissions - principally CO2 from burning fossil fuels.”
I think that was 1997. It’d be interesting to see a more recent survey asking the same question. If you’ve got that info, post it sometime.
It’d also be interesting to see whether those perceptions correlate between scientists and the public - and how that breaks down along demographic lines.
Professor Blather on June 23, 2006 at 4:59 PM
OK folks, basic physics here…
There are THREE energy sources affecting the earths environment…
1. Heat from the Sun
2. Heat from the molten core of the earth
3. Man worldwide releasing energy from other sources, using it, and waste heat getting into the atmosphere (most of the energy we use ends as waste heat).
Normaly there are TWO things which regulate the amount of heat retained in the atmosphere… Heat radiated into space, and the amount of ICE we have worldwide (as temps decrease, Ice increases, think of it as a huge waste heat resevoir).
Well, we do know that the sun is at a 1000 year cycle peak (as shown by other solar sytem bodies heating up ie, icecaps on Mars and such), but we also are taking energy stored in fossil fuels and coal, and changing them to heat eneregy. Shoot, even Nuclear energy is changing what would normally be radiation energy and converting it to heat… and Hydroelectric energy, while not heat producing in itself, is changing gravity energy into electricity, which is then used to do little things like HEAT our houses and COOK our food….. with huge waste heat implications.
Only way to stop this current spike in heat is to stop using energy…. it has NOTHING TO DO WITH GREENHOUSE GASSES!!!
Basic physics folks, more energy you put into a system, the more it needs to disapate to stay in equalibrium…
Problem is clear, solution can’t be sold… so they are trying to scare us with something else.
Romeo13 on June 23, 2006 at 5:06 PM
Blather-boy: link goes to article in Science Magazine that claims both the AGS and Meteorological Society have come down on the side of man-made global warming. The article provides footnotes for the sourcing but I really do have to go now so have at it.
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686
honora on June 23, 2006 at 5:10 PM
Great job at cherry picking a certain part of my post to remove it from the context in which it was written. The New York Times has plenty of openings for people like you.
Here’s the WHOLE paragraph … care to address it? Or are you going to run away from the larger point as you have already done multiple times?
thirteen28 on June 23, 2006 at 5:10 PM
Richsamg,
Be careful that you don’t explode … we wouldn’t want all your effort to be in vain ;)
wytammic on June 23, 2006 at 5:12 PM
thirteen28: Ok, look at the link I posted above (Science Magazine) and read it–brief article, staggering info re how the scientific community looks at this issue.
“Incomplete data”–well science if rife with “incomplete data”, use your head. The key is to apply what is known and develop hypotheses and then test those–the trouble is, the more you learn, the more you have to learn. Incomplete data, what a sorry excuse for keeping your head in the sand.
honora on June 23, 2006 at 5:18 PM
No, no, no, you folks are ALL missing the point: dig a little deeper into the link that easy87us posted: specifically here.
If you look at the image that’s second from the bottom (the one for late June, which is when we’re talking about); you’ll see the earth and sun positioned as they are now.
The Northern Hemisphere is slightly closer to the sun, due to the tilt of the axis. Now imagine all of the people finally getting fed up with liberal scare-tactics… these people are moving from the left to the right. So what happens? The earth tilts even MORE, which puts the northern hemisphere CLOSER to the sun, which raises the temperature.
To top it all off, with illegal aliens flocking to the U.S. (closer to the pole), the tilt gets even more pronounced.
Can’t believe nobody else spotted this. Duh!
dalewalt on June 23, 2006 at 5:24 PM
Thirteen28:
I’d give up on “honora,” my friend. He/she is an intellectual coward. Don’t expect any direct answers. When confronted, it always runs away. Pure cowardice.
Just follow Easy’s link. Look at the last graph. There really isn’t anything else to say on the subject. Yup - the earth has warmed up in the last few hundred years. No doubt.
Happened right on schedule. In the exact same cycle the climate has followed for at least half a million years. In fact, the current temperature spike seems a bit mild compared to the last one.
“Honora” isn’t interested in facts. They frighten him/her/it because any rational analysis or critical thinking reveals the flaws in his/her’s ideology.
The truths on this subject are painfully obvious. Of course the world has gotten warmer. Just as it has before. And will again. It’s still cooler than it was 1000 years ago. and in 10,000 years, it’s going to be chilly enough to ski in Tennessee. Then the process will repeat, and “honora’s” equally clueless descendants will, once again, start bleating about a natural cycle as if its a mysterious and impending disaster.
I return to my basic thesis on liberals: no one with an education and an open-mind can be a liberal. It’s impossible. The only exceptions are those who’ve never encountered reality (read: college staff and Hollywood moonbats).
Just go look at the graph. Case closed.
Now from a purely political standpoint, I do have a question: why exactly do liberals cling to this global warming theory as if its gospel truth, to be defended at all costs? Why are they so emotionally wrapped up in it?
Just curious.
Professor Blather on June 23, 2006 at 5:25 PM
I swore there was someone asking for info on the Meteorological Society and the American Geophysical Union. Actual profession organzitions with actual peer review and all that nit-picky stuff. No?
honora on June 23, 2006 at 5:29 PM
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