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posted at 11:37 am on June 23, 2006 by Allahpundit
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“There’s something wrong with a system that makes a whole lot of people pay a whole lot of money for jobs that are not worth it, or that have no future.”
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I don’t know, isn’t it kind of like a liberal arts degree from 30 years ago? I can’t help but recall that you went to law school.
Babs on June 23, 2006 at 11:49 AM
I’ve always thought that we should have an annual lottery in which 10% of all lawyers are selected, forcibly deported, and air-dropped into one of the ‘Axis of Evil’ countries. As much destruction of productivity and common sense as they are involved in here, we might as well unleash our most dangerous weapons on those that most deserve them.
Lawyers are like sperm; they dwell in slimy places, they arte normally involved in getting screwed and only one in 200 million ever produce anything worthwhile. (The 3 Powerline guys are those ‘one in…’).
Mike O on June 23, 2006 at 11:50 AM
Guess I am fortunate that I am entering the field of engineering after my recent college graduation. I just hope my friends who just finished law school do not run into similar predicaments.
CR UVa on June 23, 2006 at 11:57 AM
That’s kinda me
Left college, wasn’t sure what to do, parents suggested law school and I start in the fall. Law does look interesting to me but yeah prior to this time last year, I never would have thought about going to law school.
Defector01 on June 23, 2006 at 12:00 PM
Amen! As a former lawyer, I concur with everything in this column.
What got me to leave the profession was when I found myself in a small law firm, doing a lot of construction law. After a couple of years, there was an undeniable pattern to it all:
1. Client homeowners, who have invested all they have in buying a home, come to me with a complaint about the seller or the contractor.
2. I’d try to get the seller or contractor to resolve the problem, but their only response would be to get another lawyer involved.
3. Said lawyer would immediately engage in a campaign of financial attrition warfare: negotiating in bad faith, which in turn meant that instead of reaching a quick settlement the matter would start lurching toward litigation or arbitration proceedings; foot-dragging and game-playing when it came to filing pleadings or responding to motions … all of it intended solely to run up the legal bill.
4. When my clients’ bill would hit around the $10,000 mark – roughly half of which would be directly attributable to the attrition warfare being waged by the other side’s attorney – they’d lose sight of whatever the original problem was and start focusing on, “How am I going to pay your bill?” Mind you, at this point we haven’t even begun the trial yet.
5. Eventually, the clients would run out of money to continue the financial bloodletting. At which point they’d either give up and drop their claim or suit, or settle for some meager amount far below the damages that had been originally inflicted by the seller or contractor.
6. Then, the clients would enter into a new adversarial relationship: with our law firm, over our “outrageous” bill.
There came a point when I woke up: when I realized that I, like most lawyers out there, wasn’t helping anybody but was instead just another layer – a very expensive layer – of the problem. That’s when I decided to shelve the law degree and fall back on my journalism degree, which is the foundation of what I’m doing for a living now.
My two words of advice for anyone with stars in his or her eyes, thinking about becoming a “hot-shot lawyer” a la “LA Law” or “The Practice” or whatever other Hollywood fantasy has caught their eye: “Think Again.”
Spurius Ligustinus on June 23, 2006 at 12:01 PM
Fewer lawyers? That’s a shame. If we find ourselves in a lawyer drought who will then run for Congressional office?
Bellicose Muse on June 23, 2006 at 12:10 PM
And perhaps the worst thing about it is that when they either simply fail at the legal profession due to incompetence or just get tired of it, all too many of them go into politics.
LegendHasIt on June 23, 2006 at 12:16 PM
Honest people, Bellicose…honest people will.
BirdEye on June 23, 2006 at 12:16 PM
Spurius:
What a negative story. I can appreciate your epiphany but I think you’re wrong to project your “insights” onto everyone else. I think maybe you went to law school for the wrong reasons (or without any solid reasoning). Maybe you hoped to become a “‘hot-shot lawyer’ a la ‘LA Law’ or ‘The Practice’ or whatever other Hollywood fantasy.”
First off, why did you “find yourself” at a small law firm doing construction law? It sounds like you’ve now taken control of your life to do what you want but apparently you were content to let the help wanted ads relegate you to some firm practicing an area of law you do not like. That’s not any attorney’s fault except your own. You could have hung up a shingle if you wanted to “help people.”
2nd, you say “There came a point when I woke up: when I realized that I, like most lawyers out there, wasn’t helping anybody…” WHAT A CROCK OF SHITE! Other than being one of the top contributers to the DNC (trial lawyers) most lawyers are good people, they do help others, and the American system of justice is top notch. Try not to believe the hype (about most/all lawyers being bad).
Finally, the truth is, a law degree can’t hurt you and the knowledge and skills gained (if you apply yourself during law school) are transferable to most any profession — including motherhood and journalism.
Greg on June 23, 2006 at 12:24 PM
Factoid from Harper’s Index: the ratio of Lawyers to Engineers in the United states is 10 to 1. In Japan that ratio is reversed, 1 to 10.
Entelechy on June 23, 2006 at 12:26 PM
“No nation has ever sued itself to greatness.”
Dick Lamb
Richsamg on June 23, 2006 at 12:27 PM
Exellent article. I see people in my field (patent prosecution) leave for law school all the time, but I really wonder about the economics of it when a significant portion of the gain in salary of going from patent agent to patent attorney will be eaten up by servicing student loan debt. Seems to me that it’s a lot of effort for a small gain.
thirteen28 on June 23, 2006 at 12:32 PM
…I thought the jobs that are paid for too dearly but aren’t worth it that they were talking about was CONGRESS!
Warner Todd Huston on June 23, 2006 at 12:42 PM
Trained to lie and licenced to steal. That’s why so many of them are Democrats.
Shmo on June 23, 2006 at 12:45 PM
The article should be mandatory reading for anyone in High School or Undergrad contemplating Law School. Like Spurious above, I was a lawyer, for 18 years.
And I hated it.
Unlike the breakdown given in the article between “elite” lawyers and all the rest, the two categories I saw were “Those Who Had Always Wanted to be Lawyers” and all the rest. The people in the first group ( a minority ) will be happy in law; those in the second category…even if they have all the aptitudes necessary for the practice of law…will never be really happy in the profession. If you look at statistics, something like 60 to 70% of lawyers hate their jobs. I believe it is because they went into law for the wrong reasons.
My original goals in life had involved Latin America…I wanted to be a teacher, or journalist or perhaps in the foreign service. But always with a keen interest in Latin America (no reason…some people like macrame; I was fascinated by the Southern Cone countries). But, mostly by accident(long story…other time) , I had an opportunity to attend law school. I did well, and enjoyed the academic side.
Then I practiced for about 18 years…large firms, small firms, my own firm…but in the end I knew I hated it. There are many reasons but in the end I closed my firm, and went back to university for an education degree. I knew that as a teacher the money would be less, but I had also realized that the money wasn’t the important thing…it was to get rid of that cold fist in the middle of my stomache every day as I went to my office.
Unlike law, education is portable and, when I left university I decided to see if I could find a one year stint in South America perhaps teaching English. I came here and am now in my third year. I don’t teach English, but law in a fine University here. I’m living the dream.
But the lesson that should be taken is this: if the student wants to take law for the wrong reasons…for the potential income, because he/she is at loose ends about what else to do, to satisfy a parent or someone else…counsel them against it. It will be a mistake. If they have their heart set on law because that is what they always wanted to be then, fine…go for it. Otherwise think twice.
Trust me on this.
(P.S. I disagree with the comments about lawyers being dishonest. Im my 18 years, though some were unscrupulous, the vast majority were fine thoughtful honest people. And a lot were unhappy because they too hated their jobs. I got lucky.)
Blaise on June 23, 2006 at 12:53 PM
The problem is not that they are “bad people” as individuals. It’s that they separate their jobs from their principles.
They do in the jobs things they would NEVER do as common citizens.
Warner Todd Huston on June 23, 2006 at 2:07 PM
The average American cannot afford access to the legal system and when they do scrape enough to litigate a wrong,find out just how corrupt the whole system has become.
How do I know this, I went to court on two civil matters and used to be in Law Enforcement.
If people knew what went on behind the scenes in the criminal courts, they would have them all put behind bars especially the judges.
No offense to honest Attorneys which I found to be few.
ScottyDog on June 23, 2006 at 2:14 PM
Oh, how I wish somebody would’ve shown me such an article 9 years ago, before I went to law school. Unfortunately, while the WSJ article is a tad pessimistic, there’s more than a shred of truth to it. I’m sure I’ll eventually grow to love my indentured servancy, but damn, I wish I would’ve known a little bit more about non-programming computer jobs a decade or so ago…
Fly_in_Ointment on June 23, 2006 at 3:01 PM
I was a pre-law major during my college years before switching majors my Junior year. I knew the same thing would happen to me. Now I own my own graphics & marketing company, make just as much money (if not more) and I’m happy.
GT on June 23, 2006 at 3:43 PM
Sorry to burst your bubble, Greg – but I could not possibly agree more with Spurius, Blaise, Fly, et al. Can I ask – are you by any chance a law student? A recent graduate?
I can’t think of any other reason for the tone of your post. No offense. Or are you just considering law school? If so – seriously consider Spurius’ advice.
I could write a few hundred pages on the topic, but I’ll defer to Spurius’ words.
I have a (very expensive) law degree from a top 10 school. I doubt I’ll ever use it. It was the most miserable experience of my life. I never understood why people despise lawyers. I do now. I cannot stand the profession. Spurious’ description rang absolutely true with me.
For any who are considering law school, I BEG you to read John Grisham’s “The Rainmaker.” Skip “One-L” and “The Paper Chase.” Just read the Grisham book. He gets the feel of law school and the legal profession exactly, exactly right.
And when you get done – read the penultimate paragraphy of the book out loud. In my third year of law school, I had that page clipped out and framed.
I have never met a lawyer who didn’t hate it to some degree, or who wasn’t disillusioned by the process.
And no one ever, ever listens to this advice until its too late. Oh, well. All I know is I wake up every morning and thank God Himself that I am no longer practicing law.
Professor Blather on June 23, 2006 at 3:45 PM
Professor Blather,
I read “The Rainmaker” during my first semester of law school, when I was supposed to be studying for a Contracts final (Could. Not. Put. It. Down). That was almost 9 years ago. To this day, I can think of no book that rings more true of the legal profession and how it’s practiced (”A Civil Action” comes close). You’re spot-on with that thought. As proud as I still am (no, really) to have a JD and a law license, I wouldn’t wish the agony and disillusionment that accompanies the investment (i.e., student loan debt) on anyone.
Fly_in_Ointment on June 23, 2006 at 4:43 PM
Greg,
Hey, I just call it as I see it.
I’ll be the first to admit that for me, going to law school was a mistake; but when I graduated with my BA in Jouralism in 1983, about the only jobs around in the state where I live (Oregon) were unpaid and low-paid stringer assignments at places like the Oak Ridge “Dead Mountain Echo”.
So, what do you do with a degree in Journalism? Go to grad school! Law school became the choice mainly because other people said I’d be good at it, not because it was my passion.
Now, it’s true that there are some types of lawyering that are comparatively satisfying and collegial: corporate lawyering, which I did for five years in Japan and New Jersey, was OK because at least both sides have something in common (i.e., “Let’s make money”). But when the Japanese economy went into a nearly decade-long recession starting in the mid 90s, the demand for Japanese-speaking lawyers dried up. That’s how I found myself in a civil law firm.
And that’s when I began to see the underbelly of the adversarial system, and the pernicious role that so many lawyers play in it.
Note, Greg, I wrote “so many” and not “all” lawyers. You can find some good ones out there. But you’ll have an easier time finding the ones that make you stop wondering where all the lawyer jokes come from.
Sad fact is, there are too many civil lawyers out there whose primary concern is “winning” and not “helping.” And too many of them have the will to win by any means necessary. The result of that kind of mindset is that too often, the “winner” (other than the lawyers, who always somehow got paid) was the last one standing after the clients’ financial bloodletting was over.
That’s also, incidentally, why 90+ percent of civil cases never go to trial. Civil litigation, not horse racing, is the true “Sport of Kings” – because royalty are about the only ones who can afford to indulge in it.
Oh, and as to the value of a law degree in finding other work … I have to disagree. It took me about three years to make the conversion from lawyering to technical writing. The biggest hurdle I encountered was potential employers’ attitudes about my legal background:
- “Oh, he’s just marking time until he finds another lawyer job, then he’ll quit.”
- “Oh, he’ll never be satisfied with less money and less prestige than he had as a lawyer, so he’ll get frustrated or bored, and quit.”
- “What’s wrong with this guy? Why would he want to give up lawyering for technical writing?”
That law degree and lawyering experience wasn’t an advantage in changing careers: it was the single greatest albatross I’d ever hung around my own neck.
So, my advice to aspiring law students remains: Not “Don’t do it,” as Greg seems to have taken it, but “Think again.” There are a lot of misconceptions about what it means to be a lawyer, and as a result there’s a good reason why, at any given time, 70 percent of lawyers wish they were doing something else.
Spurius Ligustinus on June 23, 2006 at 5:33 PM
Timely discussion for me. This week I closed my law practice, moved 1054 miles south, and became COO of a small business started by a client some years ago. He wants me to run his manufacturing and sales business for him. My legal education certainly has a lot to do with his decision and my ability to perform that job.
Way too much generalizing going on here. I’ve had a solo practice for the last seven years and by most standards, was pretty successful, except financially. I agree that too many lawyers run up the legal bills because the financial pressures have become untenable. I have enjoyed my relationships with most of my clients. I have enjoyed my relationships with most of my fellow lawyers and judges. But it doesn’t take too many bad clients, lawyers, or judges to make this profession as bad as it can be. Going to law school for the right reasons is no guarantee of success; going for the wrong reasons is no guarantee of failure. While I wanted to be a lawyer most of my adult life, I knew that it was not my final career. I have felt for some time that my legal experience as a litigator was preparing me for a more intrinsically satisfying end.
Over the last decade, the diminishment in the preparation of law students to become practicing lawyers has been startling and discouraging. More than the prestige, the ethics and the civility of the profession have declined immeasurably. Being a conservative trial lawyer was by no means advantageous despite my display of principles and morals. That is the saddest commentary and it is being reflected in the loss of good people from the profession. But on the other hand, I will probably put five years back on my life of the ten years I lost practicing law.
csjd on June 23, 2006 at 9:25 PM
I too have a high aptitude for the legal profession having scored in the top 10 percent of everyone that had taken the qualification test up to the time I took the test in the 1967. My main problem is not with lawyers per se but with the entire trial system which has more concern with ‘winning’ then with a just result. To me the adversarial nature of the system pollutes everything, the trial, the jury if appropriate and the testimony. Quite often in a trial, truth is a casualty when the ‘facts’ of the case are revealsed. Almost every possible abuse can be seen at sometime in the courtroom starting with the violation of the constitutional right to a ’speedy and public trial’, to the illegal and invalid swearing in of the jury, to the illegal judicial instruction to the jury to consider only the ‘facts’ as presented in the trial and the suppression of evidence favorable to one side or the other. This is only a short list of what is wrong in the courtroom.
Oh yes, I decided not to go to law school but I have been in the courtroom several times with lawyers and once per se. I think the best advise I ever got from a lawyer was to settle out of court with minimal lawyer advice.
docdave on June 23, 2006 at 9:41 PM
Ahhhh, sweet, sweet prejudice-confirmation. See, it’s not true that people read blogs just to get the political views they want to hear. I also read them to get the career advice I want to hear.
Next, please link something that shoots down M.A./Ph.D. programs. Quickly.
Alex K on June 23, 2006 at 9:55 PM
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