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Media blackout on WMD story?

posted at 3:23 pm on June 22, 2006 by Allahpundit
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Was Stephen Colbert Santorum’s source? That’s the only explanation I can think of as to why the right-wing lapdog media we keep hearing so much about would bury a story about chemical shells in Iraq.

Moran, god bless ‘im, considers another theory:

To be sure, the MSM at least gives the appearance that it is taking no chances that this story will change anyone’s mind on the war or on the President. One would think that a Senator reading from a declassified report on the Senate floor that our forces found 500 artillery shells containing deadly chemicals might be considered in some quarters to be news. The New York Times doesn’t even mention it. And even more curiously, the Washington Post buried the story by their national security correspondent Dafna Linzer on Page 10 (I wonder when the last time Linzer had his byline buried that deep in the paper?).

Patterico reports that the blackout stretches from coast to coast. Quite a power outage.

Moran and Patterico both fall into the good-but-not-earthshaking-news camp, as does Bob Owens of Confederate Yankee, who does the math and argues that this accounts for the last of the weapons we knew about. Any further new discoveries, says Bob, would constitute undeclared armaments. I’m in their camp too, for reasons best expressed by Crank:

George W. Bush has lost the public debate over the pre-war state of Saddam’s arsenal of non-conventional weapons. He lost that debate partly because, yes, the nature of the threat was not as Bush and others depicted it – some of the intelligence (even intelligence on which there was a broad international consensus) was faulty, and some of the specific cases in which the Administration made judgment calls to assume the worst turned out not to be as bad as all that. And he lost the debate partly because Bush has always taken the view that the most important thing since 2003 has been to move forward rather than wallow in the original decision, which after all can no longer be changed. I would argue that that has been a huge mistake – Bush’s opponents have understood far better than he that controlling the past gives you power over the future.

Without minimizing the importance of taking lethal weapons (if in fact they are still lethal) out of the hands of jihadis, the excitement over Santorum’s announcement is, of course, all about justifying the war. But the impact there, as Moran says, is negligible. Righties support the war because of its potential for grand-scale social reform of the Middle East; lefties oppose it because it’s a projection of American power the success of which would bolster conservative prestige and foreign-policy hawkishness. WMDs are just a gotcha at this point; take away their gotcha and they’ll shift to a moral calculus of “how many American soldiers’ lives are worth 500 shells?” Or 5,000 shells, or pick a number.

Geraghty anticipates that and tries to pin them down to a number:

How much has to be found before a war opponent will say, “Okay, this clearly was a potential threat to the United States and its allies, and we did have to take some action”? I can see how some would say that 500 shells isn’t enough. But some amount is enough, and I’d like the anti-war folks to give us a sense of how much is enough by their criteria. If they say that no amount of WMDs could justify the invasion, then we know where they stand.

Of course that’s what they’ll say. Because even if you found nuclear weapons, the moral calculus would just shift again to “How much goodwill have we lost to find those nukes? How many people will die in a nuclear attack perpetrated by terrorists we helped create by invading Iraq?” You can play this game forever. And they will.

I shouldn’t say WMDs are “just a gotcha” to them. They’re the gotcha, the piece of cheese upon which grew the nutroots mold. Says Captain Ed:

Despite the lack of interest at most of the major media centers, this story is not over. We know more than we have already stated, and when the entire story comes out, those who built their war policy on the sands of “no-WMD, Bush-lied” may find themselves sinking quickly.

Finding WMDs won’t change their anti-war disposition but it might make them scream and cry like a three-year-old whose favorite blanket was taken away. Reason enough to feel a little excitement, I suppose.


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I couldn’t find a single thing on CNN.com. I mean, they might not consider this the biggest news story of all time, but no coverage at all? I mean, is it not newsworthy that a Senator had a press conference on the existence of WMD, even though some might think that they couldn’t possibly cause enough MD?

Frogbrother on June 22, 2006 at 3:42 PM

Hm, is this alarming?

Is this an indication of a bigger power in charge?

It is almost like a conspiracy!

And the conservatives are daydreaming to be loved if they can be more fair and balanced.

Try Google it if you can….scary.

easy87us on June 22, 2006 at 3:42 PM

“Righties support the war because of its potential for grand-scale social reform of the Middle East”

I think you’re way off here. Like most conservatives I know, I supported the war initially because I viewed Iraq as a nerve-center and supporter of terrorism that might eventually (or was already) threaten the US, even if indirectly. It was a part of the war on Islamic jihad and in our selfish interests. I’m as happy as anyone about “bringing democracy to the Middle East,” especially if it’s ultimately in our interests (who knows? Democracy doesn’t always engender friendship with US) but it’s not why conservatives support the war. To give “thinking liberals” their due, Bush’s critics have a point, now that their purple-finger “cognitive dissonance” is done with, that Bush’s hope for middle east democracy is a post-no WMD rationalization. BTW I don’t know why the WH gave up on the WMD rationale so easily – we all knew the jury was still out – and falling back on the democracy talking point never struck me as very honest, or wise.

On the new WMD news — conservatives’ message on the new disclosures sarin and mustard gas is a bit off-key. Let’s face facts: a majority now believe the war was a mistake, and this is mainly because the “Bush lied” meme is having its intended effect. The great purple middle, having heard “no WMD” for years, now regards this as a “known fact.” And the phrase “weapons of mass destruction” is itself almost at a point in the talking point lifespan that it’s regarded mostly with either extreme skepticism or outright disdain. It’s outused its usefulness as a justification for being in Iraq. It’s a tired phrase that’s been beaten into a meaningless, flaccid pulp – and few even consider what those three words put together mean. So instead, shed that talking point and give us bare, non-technical facts: How are sarin and mustard gas used? How might Saddam have used them, or planned to – why did he have them? What countries could they reach? How many would have died? Thousands? Millions? Could they or the technology have been sold? To whom? I also don’t want to hear how many “cannisters,” or “munitions,” or “shells.” Just the facts – so we know how awful sarin and mustard gas are, and we’ll use our own labels.

BillLalor on June 22, 2006 at 3:46 PM

Some are calling it all a LIE!!!

http://digg.com/search?search=wmd+found&submit=Submit

Two links , one calls it a lie, one calls it “WMD’s found”
Just pisses me off.
“Digg” it if you visit the site.

shooter on June 22, 2006 at 3:47 PM

Unless Angelina Jolie is hiding the WMD in her lips, CNN isn’t interested.

The MSM will not cover this story because it demolishes their template of the last three years.

They dismissed the Zarqawi killing as “well, he was just symbolic…” and just watch, when Osama is iced, they’ll just whine about how long it took to find him.

The media is on the other side. Anything that makes Bush and America look good is bad for them.

JammieWearingFool on June 22, 2006 at 3:51 PM

Maybe the MSM is aware that there have been many of the supposed WMD finds over the past 3 years that have turned out to be false, and that they are waiting for official word/test if these are indeed WMD’s that we went to war for.

Then again, we DO HAVE this word, straight from the mouth of the Defense Dept., who has already said that these AREN’T the WMD’s this war was based on. But this statement seems to be completely IGNORED by right-wingers.

Or maybe the MSM is highly skeptical of the fact that it wasn’t the President, or a Dept. of Defense offical, or someone from the intel community who came forward with this report…but was a Republican senator who is trailing badly in the polls.

And please, let’s not talk about “playing this game forever.” The right has a big “wheel of fortune” filled with war justifications that it conveniently rotates between once one excuse becomes weak. Once the WMD excuse became suspect, the right turned to another reason for going to war to distract everyone’s attention, save face, and prevent themselves from EVER having to admit they were wrong about anything.

better off blue on June 22, 2006 at 3:51 PM

Regardless of the age of the munitions, it should have been reported by the media. The blatant attempt to keep this as quiet as possible is nowadays just accepted as a means to an end by the MSM. No wonder no one believes anything they say.

darwin on June 22, 2006 at 3:53 PM

Hey blue, why don’t read all of the statement you quoted from. It says a little bit more than what you said. The simple fact is they have found chemical munitions and it should have been reported as NEWS. That is what these people are in the business of ……. isn’t it?

darwin on June 22, 2006 at 3:56 PM

No darwin, its all the news that’s fit to print.
Finding 500 weapons is nice, but what about the 20 tons the Jordanians siezed ?
What I want to know is why the Pentagon is fighting so hard to keep the rest of this stuff secret. It seems the CIA might not be the only government agency with rouge elements.

Iblis on June 22, 2006 at 4:02 PM

these AREN’T the WMD’s this war was based on

This is the most ridiculous thing I have heard in awhile. If you use this arguement then you admit that there WERE WMDS! (”just not the kind we were looking for”). If I wanted a Coke and got a Sprite, did I not still get a soda? WMD is a WMD is a WMD. You can spin, slice, dice and make a salad out of it. The fact remains…WMDS WERE FOUND IN IRAQ.

Travis on June 22, 2006 at 4:07 PM

Right. Most of the lives lost have been since the Hussein regime was toppled in April 2003, and even since Hussein himself was captured in December 2003. So we’ve really been arguing ever since not about the justification to invade and fight the swift war that happened in early ‘03, but about the justification for remaining in Iraq long enough to build a democracy–or whatever the finish line is supposed to be now. The WMD bit is a vestigial hammer that is just too easy to whack the war with for critics to resist it, but no amount of WMD will justify the post-2003 war, so we’ll always be arguing about the nation-building aspect.

Alex K on June 22, 2006 at 4:07 PM

Once the WMD excuse became suspect, the right turned to another reason for going to war to distract everyone’s attention, save face, and prevent themselves from EVER having to admit they were wrong about anything.

Ah, the big lie, right here in my very own comments section. Know your history, my dear.

You don’t think a joint announcement by a senior Republican Senator and the chairman of the House Intellgence Committee about WMDs in Iraq merits even a brief article, blue? Of course you do. But you’d rather not see it happen, for precisely the reasons I articulated in my post.

As for the anonymous DoD official, I’ll wait until someone’s willing to go on the record to dismiss the story completely. Like I said in the post: I don’t think this is hugely significant. But unlike you, I’m at least willing to keep an open mind about it.

Thanks again for proving my point.

Allahpundit on June 22, 2006 at 4:12 PM

So, are THE WMD’s we went to war for equipped with a golden ticket? A special insignia? A secret marking?

Or does the thing about 15 of them killing 5,000 human beings in Halajabra (sp) give them enough clout to classify as WMD? I mean, considering there were 500 and all.

What a joke, kneel and B.O.B…..

Although completely expected from the likes of you.

Weren’t you guys pissed about our soldiers getting the “Gulf War Syndrome” during the 1st gulf war? Wasn’t that sydrome caused by munitions like these? Are you now saying that’s all made up?

I think the CIA is trying to cover their asses for saying there were no WMD’s when there were. Just like they tried to bury the Able Danger thing. Don’t forget the CIA was stacked with career libs just like every other gov’t agency during the Clinton administration.

NTWR on June 22, 2006 at 4:41 PM

Rummy just stated that what the report said was TRUE in a Press Conference…

Whoever this “DOD Official” is should be investigated… I can’t believe that he was speaking for the record… or as the Pentagon spokesman.

Romeo13 on June 22, 2006 at 4:45 PM

We went searching for CARS, but all we found were OLD CARS.
No new ones.
And whats this crap about the wmd’s being old renders them somehow “safe”??? bull!! Then why has our government spent so damn much money ridding the U.S. of stockpiles of the same stuff?? These were WMD’s unreported to Hans Blix and his cronies from Germany. No story here, right??

gary on June 22, 2006 at 5:00 PM

And I notice that a cooked study made by an environmental whacko packed panel about global warming gets a LOT of coverage…

Interesting..

Romeo13 on June 22, 2006 at 5:00 PM

At this point in time I have to say
“Who cares WHY we went to war? We are their now!”

If you walk into the kitchen and see a big pile of milk on the floor do you spend all your time and money trying to put some one in jail for it, or do you clean the mess up?
Seriously, the Liberals have been trying to impeach bush since BEFORE he was elected. I am not talking about the hanging chads, I am talking about 6 months before the frigging elections. That is a primary reason why people dismiss the lefts attempts to piss on Bush. For six years Democrats and liberals have been on a George W Bush witch hunt. Guesse what? Most of us do not care. Did he lie about WMD’s to go to war? Probaly not. He used Clinton era inteligence to decide if WMD’s were their. It is the same inteligence Gore used in 1998 when he came out and said that Sadam had WMD’s and was dangerous. The world had its own inteligence, and it concurred with us at the time that Sadam had to go. (I ignore the UN, considering France, Germany and Russia were all profiting from breaking the UN embargo’s.) based on the intel

available at the time

the decision was made to go to war. Three weeks later the War was won. Now we are their helping to build a democracy.
So go on crying ignorant lies like “bush Lied people died” or “No war for oil”. The fact of the matter is that we went, we kicked but, and now we are doing everything we can, despite the Liberals, to make Iraq into a strong country.

You don’t like it BoB? Too freaking bad. It is being done, it will be done and you are impotent to stop it. Matter of fact, every tax doller you pay HELPS our mission! So you are as big a part of it as the most die hard republican.
In this light, I can thank you Blue, as one consumer to another, for your help in helping the Bush economy, The bush War in Iraq, and the Bush war on Terror. Your assistance as a hard working tax payer helps make the Iraq war a success.

Wyrd on June 22, 2006 at 5:08 PM

Not Surprising… Disappointing, but not Surprising.

havok on June 22, 2006 at 5:11 PM

Or maybe the MSM is highly skeptical of the fact that it wasn’t the President, or a Dept. of Defense offical, or someone from the intel community who came forward with this report…but was a Republican senator who is trailing badly in the polls.

..and who was reading from the memo sent him by John Negroponte, Americas #1 intelligence honcho.

Was that Strike Three?

Pablo on June 22, 2006 at 5:14 PM

This is relatively simple. The MSM is a leftist magaphone and this story is not consistent with their political and social agendas. Their approach is, keep mum, say nothing and it will go away. There is no “news” media in this country anymore. There is only politically biased propaganda machines like the mainstream media . Several hundred chemical warheads are significant and the true nature of their numbers and detructive power must be presented to the people.

rplat on June 22, 2006 at 5:16 PM

I’m as happy as anyone about “bringing democracy to the Middle East,” especially if it’s ultimately in our interests (who knows? Democracy doesn’t always engender friendship with US) but it’s not why conservatives support the war.

It certainly is why this conservative supports the war, and it’s been my main reason all along.

hindmost on June 22, 2006 at 5:29 PM

Hey history buffs, correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t it true that no democratic nation has ever waged war against another democratic nation?

If so, I think there’s pretty good reason to try and spread democracy, especially among the Theocratic Totalitarian regions.

NTWR on June 22, 2006 at 5:40 PM

Blue,
Read this:
“A new regime in Iraq would serve as a dramatic and inspiring example of freedom for other nations in the region. (Applause) It is presumptuous and insulting to suggest that a whole region of the world, or the one-fifth of humanity that is Muslim, is somehow untouched by the most basic aspirations of life.”

Bush said this during an interview on PBS in 2003 (thanks, Allah for the link).

You are SO WRONG to believe that WMD’s were the ONLY reason why we went to war with Iraq. It was just one reason of many. OK, so what if WMD’s weren’t found? Did we not dispose a dictator, free millions of people, and help begin the FIRST democracy in the Arab world?

Blue, you fail to see the “big picture” which is that free people do NOT believe that terrorism should be the rule of law. That free people are civilized and can self-rule. Blue, we all want the same thing – freedom to raise our children, freedom to practice our own religion, freedom to work, freedom to pursue an education, freedom of movement. That is human nature. Don’t you think that it’s a GOOD thing that Iraqis now have this? So I say again: while it’s great that Bush & Co. have been vindicated by finding some WMD’s, the fact that these people are now free, is HUGE and should be celebrated. That’s why it is SO IMPORTANT to stay there until we are certain that the Iraqis are able to handle the security of their country themselves. To do otherwise, is telling the terrorists that they can just be patient and that the Americans will eventually give up.

Also, i’d like to how many WMD’s (and what kind) it will take before you apologize and admit that you were wrong. Let’s get a NUMBER FROM YOU. If it’s not 500, then how many??

pullingmyhairout on June 22, 2006 at 5:41 PM

Wyrd said “Who cares WHY we went to war?” – many of us do care – we went because it is good for the World and good for the U.S. And it is good, period. Nothing gives me a greater ‘high’ than seeing dictators’ statues toppled (Lenin, Stalin, Saddam Hussein). The rest of it is just nonsensical bla-bla, including much of what the Bush admin. has spewed, now and then.

Probably the discoveries in 2003, and after, would expose the Russians, French and Chinese (who knows what all they sent to Iraq, via U.N. programs) – a reason for the current admin. to diminish their significance.

History will sort it all out, including the insignificance of the so-called MSM. Mr. Harper in Canada told the Canadian media that they are not a branch of government. Ours needs to be put in the same place.

The voters, naive as most are, are still reading through the media and the politicians. And they are instinctively not suicidal.

Entelechy on June 22, 2006 at 5:43 PM

And also Blue, i’d like for you to explain how it’s just a-ok for the iraqis to live under a dictator – isn’t that a “human rights violation” that all of you “progressives” consistently scream??? I guess freeing the Iraqis wasn’t “glamorous” enough for your crowd.

pullingmyhairout on June 22, 2006 at 5:53 PM

NTWR… sorry to disappoint you… but Hitler and Mussolini were both popularly elected in multiple party elections.

As well as the Confederacy and US during the War between the states… both were Democracys…

Democracys can be just as beligerent as any other form of government.

Romeo13 on June 22, 2006 at 5:57 PM

I don’t care if the “WMD” are old or not! Damn it, let’s take the handcuffs off our guys and let them take out the insurgents now!! Get this over with the right way and then we can worry about WMD…they may be in Russia, Syria, Jordan but right this minute I want the fiends from hell that killed those two men so viciously to be found and killed with a bullet right between the eyes, period!!

The uber Left will never care one way or another. It’s just a stick to keep hitting us with. They’re old and toally bereft of ideas of any kind about anything. Kos is a perfect example of that: a snotty, spoiled child throwing a tantrum just like his cohorts on the left.

sharinlite on June 22, 2006 at 6:21 PM

Better off Blue,

I like the way you you raise issues. It is inspiring.

You wrote:

Maybe the MSM is aware that there have been many of the supposed WMD….
Or maybe the MSM is highly skeptical of the fact that it wasn’t the President….

You justify a reporter’s right of refusal to report news.

Do you see the problem here? You assume the that journalist can choose to report certain news and choose not to report certain news based on their judgement.

In essence, you assume the journalist’s function is to screen the news for the readers.

This is wrong. This is activism by journalism. This is trying to brainwash the public.

Journalist should report the news, the source of the news, and what the news is all about, to his best ability.

If journalist found flaw in the news, they should report that too. If they found the source of the news to be fraudulent, they should report that too.

You see, Dan Rather’s fault is not in reporting the memo, his fault is in not questioning the memos. He should report, then persue its authenticity with integrity. He should report the finding by the bloggers and he should question the memo with us. If he had done all that, he would still be on a pedestal.

Therefore, the major media today is not practicing good journalism. they are trying to brainwash us to accept their political agenda.

It is as transparent as your post.

easy87us on June 22, 2006 at 6:30 PM

Entelechy,
I probaly should have clarified my post.
The reason is important. But not in the same way the Liberals say it is.
The liberals appear to be focussing on one or 2 aspects.
1) we went to war because Bush said their were WMD’s
2) The WMD’s were not their (that they were most likely moved to Syria before the war by Sadam is convenietly ignored)
When I said “who cares why we went to war” I should have said that focusing on the two listed reasons and continuing to harp the “Bush Lied” BS will not accomplish anything. I know their were many reasons to go to war, and that the war was justified. But everytime you bring up those reasons the liberals plug their ears and start humming really loud.

And Easy87, excelent.

Wyrd on June 22, 2006 at 7:04 PM

Romeo13: Damn. Shoulda known about the confederacy-DUH.

Attribute that to my publik skool education.

NTWR on June 22, 2006 at 7:08 PM

Amazes me that the Media WILL report a bunch of crap from “unidentified anonymous sources” but won’t report a declassified report given by two Congressmen, who will give their names and stand beside what they say….

OOOPPPPSSSSS

Romeo13 on June 22, 2006 at 7:39 PM

Wyrd,

I know what you meant and my peeve was not with you. We agree.

To figure out what drives the Left on Iraq and terrorism has befuddled me for a long time. So has their attitude toward communism, socialism and other utopias.

They defend the systems, while ignoring the suffering masses within. In theory their party is supposed to be for equality and freedom, or so they claim. In reality these systems are heavens for the very few and living hells for all the others.

I lived in such a system for 23 years. None of them can tell me which system is better. NONE! NEVER! EVER!

If I had extra millions I’d pay for some of them to live there, forced, for 2 full years. Then, I’d ask for a full comparable on the differences.

Entelechy on June 22, 2006 at 7:41 PM

Thanks Wyrd. My pleasure at Michelle’s expense.

easy87us on June 22, 2006 at 8:54 PM

This is the single best blog article I’ve read from you, Allahpundit. Very nicely done!

Professor Blather on June 22, 2006 at 10:47 PM

And why am I blue? Did better off “blue” ruin the thread?

Hey – that reminds me – is Blue ever going to tell us about his military record?

(crickets doing Pilates in the corner)

Professor Blather on June 22, 2006 at 10:47 PM

What I want to know is why the Pentagon is fighting so hard to keep the rest of this stuff secret. It seems the CIA might not be the only government agency with rouge elements.

Iblis on June 22, 2006 at 4:02 PM

Just spitballin here but, I wonder if the DIA, or a couple sympathetic libs in the Pentagon, are busy covering their ass over the lousy job they have been doing regarding intelligence.

Is it also possible it was kept quiet so as to keep them from falling into the hands of AQ-I? It was stated in an article on this latest find that they found them amongst conventional munitions, and it has been well known Saddam stored his chemical WMD’s mixed in with conventional munitions. With hundreds and hundreds of ammo dumps all over Iraq, it’s possible someone didn’t want this well known until many of those dumps had been checked.

91Veteran on June 23, 2006 at 12:43 AM

easy87, I tried ‘wmds’ on google and got from the top:
1. yet to discover any wmds..
2. none of the fabled wmds has .. shown up
3. CNN 2005 US calls off search for wmds..
4. US planting of wmds in iraq
5. frontpage: where the wmds went
6. information about dental products

I now consider google part of the MSM. I replaced the google search bar on my pc with yahoo which gives more results for the moment. It is a shame but inevitable that search engines would be corrupted by manipulators.

The most dangerous WMD may be the

Google Bomb

http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/google.asp

A search engine is a tool where you locate information despite the efforts of others

entagor on June 23, 2006 at 12:38 PM

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