Defeatism and retaliation
posted at 1:39 pm on June 20, 2006 by Bryan
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We’re at war. The enemy captured, tortured and killed two of our troops. Mark Levin uncorks a trip through history and wonders how the Greatest Generation would have responded.
Hint: They wouldn’t have listened to a troop-smearing Andrew Sullivan pre-emptively blame our captured troops’ fate on our own president, having swallowed whole the uncorroborated tales made up by terrorists to sap our war resolve while absolving terrorists for their own actions. Nor would Time magazine have printed such nonsense back then; it rushes to get that and more like it to the presses as fast as it can now. The opposition party wouldn’t be calling for “redeploying” our troops to bases thousands of miles from the theater of war.
That generation, the one that we all recognize saved civilization a little over half a century ago, would have responded with overwhelming force and struck fear into the heart of the enemy. That’s how you win wars.
Fortunately, there are signs that our troops are responding in just that sort of way, killing one big al Qaeda in Iraq leader and capturing several more.
Good. May more terrorists meet the same fate, and faster, please.
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Only a couple of virgins left, but not to worry, more are on the way.
clyde on June 20, 2006 at 1:47 PM
Faster indeed!
We need to let our troops fight to win and be willing and tolerant of the inevitable mistakes conditions on the ground make possible.
Our rules of engagement are well defined and morally thorough. We go WAY out of our way to avoid civilian casualties. In my opinion we go too far in that direction.
It is unfair and inhuman to expect our soldiers to go into situations where it is impossible to tell friendlies from the enemy and always get it right.
Put yourself in their boots. Are you perfect? None of us are. We do the best we can in difficult situations, and that’s all that can be reasonably expected of anyone.
There can be no expectation that we can have a war without tragic innocent casualties. It’s just not going to happen.
I saw it expressed in an earlier post that our soldiers are not on a suicide mission. Tieing their hands and keeping them from fighting the battle to win is just wrong.
Our troops deserve better.
I whole-heartedly support our troops AND their mission.
techno_barbarian on June 20, 2006 at 1:53 PM
Please. This post was relevant back when Fallujah. I knew something was wrong when the Blackwater 4’s charred torsos were strung up on that bridge, and we didn’t subsequently reduce Fallujah to rubble. How would Churchill have conducted the Berlin bombings nowadays? Better yet, how would Churchill have dealt with the current bunch proto-jihadists in the media, and the dhimmis in the government?
Kid from Brooklyn on June 20, 2006 at 2:08 PM
Anyone want to venture a guess as to why in Maryland “As his victim lay bleeding in the aisle, police say Mujtaba Rabbani Jabbar walked out of the theater, placed the gun with one bullet left on a counter and told the manager he had shot someone. He then waited for police to arrive and told them he had been planning to kill someone for several months.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/19/national/main1730539.shtml
Dread Pirate Roberts VI on June 20, 2006 at 2:16 PM
What a far cry from the rape, pillage and burn of former wars and battles; the incentives for troops to fight to the death. Now, a civilian gets caught in the cross-fire or is killed as a terrorist human shield and there are investigations amid criminal accusations. Don’t see how this negative motivation helps us win the war.
docdave on June 20, 2006 at 2:34 PM
I believe our country should make a point of retaliation against those that capture and torture to death our young soldiers. Not just “business as usual”. I also think there should be an uproar in the halls of Congress and the MSM to decry these deaths. I fear there will be neither. We will continue to hear why we should “pullout” and how the US military has done something “horrible”. I just wonder if we really understand that we are in fact in a war for our lives not for just our way of life.
d1carter on June 20, 2006 at 2:35 PM
Winston Churchill said ”There is no history, only biography”. When it comes time to write the history books, there will be one significant name during this period, and it will not be any of those weak tit weenies that are crying about running home to Mama Sam. The name will be of the one that saw what needed to be done, stayed focused, and prevailed. Once again the weak tit weenies will be exposed as being “lost” as a historical turning point passes them right on by.
Shmo on June 20, 2006 at 2:38 PM
“We’re at war”, wrote Bryan.
Wrong, wrong, wrong!
I said again and again, the war was over long time ago. This is terrorism.
Last weekend 5 teens were gunned down in New Orleans and Mayor Nagin just called in the National Guard. They have a crime wave down there. If killing of two soldiers is a war, than we are having a WWIII in New Orleans. Then again, may be we are!!..LOL
easy87us on June 20, 2006 at 3:07 PM
By Easy’s logic, the New Orleans thing could be seen as residual terrorism from the failed “War on Poverty”, and that is a great point there. But the real war has not ended, and our leaders would be well served by calling it what it truly is, instead of an abstract “War on Terror” that evokes our abstract wars of the past.
Kid from Brooklyn on June 20, 2006 at 3:19 PM
No longer should they be called the Democratic Party. From now on they should be called the “Coitus Interruptus” party.
darwin on June 20, 2006 at 4:12 PM
They wouldn’t have listened to a troop-smearing Andrew Sullivan pre-emptively blame our captured troops’ fate on our own president…
Conservative my ass. At best, he’s a moderate Democrat.
Sully’s become the Miss Havisham of queer politics.
The Ugly American on June 20, 2006 at 4:22 PM
Pardon my language in advance if I lose control, but this garbage is making me very angry. Sure, I knew that nothing good would happen to
those, no, our two soldiers. Sullivan links to some piece of crap who brings up Abu Ghraib again. Making what was unauthorized by any authority into what our troops deserve. The yellow-belly punk Rude Pundit - no link, no damn way - doesn’t even have the decency to allow comments.I demand that President Bush order all prisoners in Gitmo to be examined one more time, and those who are deemed no threat should be released. The others I want hanged. Hanged right now! Hanged in public. Every prisoner now taken must be interrogated and adjudicated by a military court within two weeks of capture. Anyone who is innocent should be released, anyone not innocent but willing to turn should be imprisoned for life. Anyone not willing to co-operate must be hanged. Let the so-called “insurgents” see the fate awaiting them. Hang every last one of the murderous bastards, let the find out the that fake god Allah is Satan. Let them go to hell with their father.
Every mealy-mouthed piece of garbage from Senators, Congressmen, Celebrities, all the way down to the Enemy Press must declare that they are with us or the enemy. Seditious garbage must be imprisoned for the duration. We can’t hang traitorous scum, but let them be beaten for all I care. Where is Preston Brooks now? He can atone for his savage attack on Sen Charles Sumner by unleashing his cane on the likes of…well, you know who.
No quarter, no mercy for terrorists and their abetters.
ScottG on June 20, 2006 at 5:53 PM
Well, that’s nice. A post of mine just disappeared into the aether.
Probably better anyway, it was rather hot.
ScottG on June 20, 2006 at 5:55 PM
So now it shows up! I must have said something naughty and I had to be vetted….
ScottG on June 20, 2006 at 6:21 PM
I am sad for the family of the fellow Houstonian that was killed by these barbaric terrorists. Its pretty messed up when ‘allegations’ of abuse at Haditha etc. are all over the news, yet there is little mention of the brutality these soldiers suffered. The MSM is pretty moot on the graphic descriptions of the bodies. And I sense they will be.
Being a life-long resident of Texas we enjoy the rough-neck ‘take no crap’ reputation weve earned worldwide. Its my hope that when or if the terrorists found out one of the captors was from Texas, he was killed because they feared the fire and brimstone he would rain upon them if left alive.
In all seriousness, my condolences go out to the family. I hope he had the chance to kill a few rat bastard terrorists in his day.
the observer on June 20, 2006 at 6:37 PM
In the immortal words of Roddy Piper from they live, “I am here to kick ass and chew bubble gum, and I am all out of bubble gum”
Its high time we stop playing school boy ethics in a combat zone…raw directed brutal power is needed and the MSM and Leftist Elites be dammed!
Terlizzi999 on June 20, 2006 at 6:49 PM
It has been long past time to take the kid gloves off and allow our troops to do whatever is necessary to kill (that’s right, kill. Not capture, KILL) the enemy.
Never mind the howling that would be sure to erupt from the left & the media (but I repeat myself here), just do it. They are going to howl anyway, might as well give the enemy absolute hell.
Again, my deepest sympathy to the families of our two soldiers. May they rest in peace.
Abigail Adams on June 21, 2006 at 10:44 AM