CNN: Soldiers unrecognizable, bodies booby-trapped (Update: Photo of dead jihadi added)
posted at 4:09 pm on June 20, 2006 by Allahpundit
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As was the road leading to their remains.
No matter how bad you think they are, the jihad just keeps on surprising you, doesn’t it?
Update: Allah went digging at CENTCOM to bring you the silver lining in this very black cloud. Here’s Sheikh Mansour, Al Qaeda’s “religious emir,” two months ago with the man himself:
And here he is today after an airmail delivery of U.S. ordnance:
I hope the piece of shit suffered. The AP has more.
Update: We can’t complain about U.S. soldiers being mutilated because we’ve lost the moral high ground. You heard it here first.
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After Beslan, no it doesn’t.
see-dubya on June 20, 2006 at 4:13 PM
Sure, but it’s nothing compared to the horrors of having panties put on your head at Abu Ghraib.
JammieWearingFool on June 20, 2006 at 4:17 PM
Torture?
You wanna talk about Korans in the commode and women interrogators and waterboarding after this sh*t?
And the real kicker? The terrorists would have / do this regardless of the Gitmo harpies/Abu Grahib hubub.
Hoodlumman on June 20, 2006 at 4:19 PM
Yet ANOTHER illustration of their evilness.
When will the libtards realize their throats will be smited just as fast as any other infidels?
Remember Margaret Hassan? You can’t negotiate with terrorists!
I refuse to give any merit to any claim of an atrocity by our soldiers against this enemy. There is no such thing as an atrocity or war crime when your enemy is the devil.
NTWR on June 20, 2006 at 4:24 PM
Aren’t these “insurgents” really enemy combatants not protected by the Geneva Convention? When will we stop playing nice with these savages? Bismarck was right.
Kid from Brooklyn on June 20, 2006 at 4:24 PM
As I’ve said before, load every idiot American soldiers capture on airplanes bound for Guantanamo, and somehow “lose them” at 10,000 feet over the middle of the ocean. Open the door and kick them out. Mankind won’t miss them, and it would save the United States millions of dollars.
Or, just for the hell of it, shoot every captive dead on the spot.Burn every “town” that harbors them. Shoot the inhabitants. Then ask questions. Ooops. Sorry. Next!
clyde on June 20, 2006 at 4:29 PM
I wish the media would have kept this out of the news. The details were not necessary and only serve to furhter cause grief to the families and those left behind. The media has some sort of sick desire to go forth with this. I hope the families turn off the tv’s so that they are not exposed every 30 minutes to the constant updates on what occured to their loved ones.
Pray for them and pray for the destruction of an ideology that allows these animals to live.
LakeRuins on June 20, 2006 at 4:30 PM
Or, pull the troops out, and nuke the place. Make Iraq into one large glass sheet. Then open a pig farm there.
clyde on June 20, 2006 at 4:30 PM
From the linked article: “We announce the good news to our Islamic nation that we executed God’s will and slaughtered the two crusader animals we had in captivity,” says the claim, reportedly from the Mujahedeen Shura Council, a group linked to al Qaeda. “And God has given our Emir, Abu Hamza al-Muhajer, the good fortune of carrying out the legitimate court’s command in person.”
Yeah. Islam is a religion of peace. uh huh. right.
Hey Better off Blue - where are ya? We’d luv to hear what you have to say now. I would certainly hope you’d think that THIS is much, much, much worse than how the gitmo enemy combatants are being treated. Compared to this, they’re living in the frickin’ Ritz Carlton!!
pullingmyhairout on June 20, 2006 at 4:31 PM
LakeRuins,
As horrible as it is to have to hear about this barbarism, I feel it’s important for our liberal “friends” to see just WHO they are helping out.
pullingmyhairout on June 20, 2006 at 4:33 PM
My sincerest condolences, first to the families of these HEROES, next to the President of the United States and then to the people of our great country…they were our sons, truly, and heroes for eternity. God rest their brave hearts.
Now, that said.. when does the all out bombing begin?? These people are animals and extermination is the best. Who was kidding when they say this kind of civilazation has not progressed one iota since the 12th century..???..I never thought I could agree with it…but the nuclear bomb is the only way to show who is boss here…God forgive me…it will go on till the big dog bites the head off the serpent. This was retaliation for death of the lead animal, Zarqari. SO,is this the best they can do?…I say let’s show ‘em our big guns!
Sandys Beach on June 20, 2006 at 4:34 PM
..remebering the President’s words…if you are not with us,you are against us. (I hope I had that quote right) SO, libs..my tiny brain says you are against us, the American people? Isn’t there a plane to Iraq you can get on and join the AlQuada….make use of your miserable lives.
Sandys Beach on June 20, 2006 at 4:39 PM
Liberals as always will blame Bush and somehow through transference actually have Rove doing the killing. They don’t care other then how it works to promote their “cut and run” policy. I have been reading comments on other blogs today about how the Kos Kidz are absolutely giddy over the news. Most liberal sites are blocked while I am at work because of the profanity, go figure, so I am just taking the word of those posting on other boards.
LakeRuins on June 20, 2006 at 4:39 PM
You want to carpet bomb Iraqi civilians for what these guys did?
Huh?
Allahpundit on June 20, 2006 at 4:39 PM
Why in the world would the Kos Kidz be giddy? How can ANYONE be giddy over this? the left never ceases to amaze me.
pullingmyhairout on June 20, 2006 at 4:41 PM
What really ticks me off is I have too listen to swine like Ted Kennedy, Dick Turban, John Murtha, Howard Dean and the rest conplaning about torture at GITMO, how we terrorize the citizens of Iraq, how we don’t respect the Geneva convention, the MSM playing down everything we accomplish in the war on terror. I cannot immagine what is going to happen if we have an Al Gore, Hillary Cinton, or John F’n (Lerch) Kerry as President. A liberal Preidentsey will bring a total breakdown in our war on terror, a breakdown of are economy at home. This will be the beginning of the end of us.
birdman on June 20, 2006 at 4:43 PM
YES I DO! Its called collateral damage. War sucks!
Sandys Beach on June 20, 2006 at 4:44 PM
My patience is also running out with the Iraqi “civillians”. They know who the insurgents are in their midst and yet they harbor them either out of fear or for the promise that the jihadist will help them gain power for their particular sect whether Sunni or Shiite. The number of innocents is quickly dwindling.
LakeRuins on June 20, 2006 at 4:45 PM
Carpet-bombing civilians wouldn’t be collateral damage. It would be direct damage.
pulling, where do you see the Kos Kidz acting giddy about this?
Allahpundit on June 20, 2006 at 4:49 PM
My patience is gone with the civilians…they refuse to cough up the insurgents…let them eat cake then. There is just one thing I want to know…when will the bombs start falling…??
Sandys Beach on June 20, 2006 at 4:50 PM
Direct damage/collateral damage…big deal…seeing those dead soldiers is direct damage….nuke them…ANIMALS!
Sandys Beach on June 20, 2006 at 4:53 PM
Allah check out LGF, Charles has an entire thread on it.
LakeRuins on June 20, 2006 at 4:53 PM
Allah,
LakeRuins said they were acting giddy. So, I did go over to Kos and read some of their stuff and basically one poster said “we reap what we sow.”
And, I don’t agree with carpet bombing them, just so you know. Sandy, that would be a big mistake.
pullingmyhairout on June 20, 2006 at 4:53 PM
I don’t think it would be a mistake…how else do we get these animals under control?…do it and be done with it. Our boys will die, one way or another….but allowing them to be taken captive like that is insane and ungodly. Take them out…once and for all.
Sandys Beach on June 20, 2006 at 4:57 PM
What? No comment from murtha or kerry about torture and brutality. Only when americans allegelly do something wrong do we hear from these idiots….
In my opinion Gitmo looks tame compared to these cowards..and I truly pray that task force 145 is on them…..
robo on June 20, 2006 at 5:03 PM
In the struggle to acquire the hearts and minds of the Iraqis, the only option for success after carpet bombing is to use a sponge and a mop.
inmanjh on June 20, 2006 at 5:04 PM
They’ve hit bottom and kept digging. But it’s not as bad as putting panties on their head.
/sarc
Ellen on June 20, 2006 at 5:04 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/6/20/101853/419
Allah,
See if this works. It’s my first time to link. I’m a link virgin.
pullingmyhairout on June 20, 2006 at 5:04 PM
Allah,
oh yeah, then you’ll need to read some of the comments. they are lovely, indeed. They even predicted that the red state blogs would link to them. smart, too. he he he.
toodles,
pullingmyhairout on June 20, 2006 at 5:06 PM
A sponge and a mop…? better than body bags for our boys…We have been playing slap and tickle with these heathens for too long….Honestly, they do not want to be on the planet with us. Haven’t you heard, we are the Great Satan and they are committed to ending our way of life..that is what no one is getting here…it is them or us….what is so hard to understand. Does anyone believe that if they could do it, they would NOT send the big bomb over here…..ANYONE????
Sandys Beach on June 20, 2006 at 5:10 PM
If by they you mean Al-Qaeda, Sandy, you’re right. If by “they” you mean “eight year old girls going to school in Baghdad”, then, well, you’re an idiot.
The sets are not contiguous.
see-dubya on June 20, 2006 at 5:14 PM
There should be Hell to pay for this. Using the intelligence gathered from the Zarqawi raids, we should mount a massive retaliation campaign against these sub-human scum jihadis. They love death, eh? Fine, give it to ‘em. Kill every last one of the f*ckers.
speed647 on June 20, 2006 at 5:15 PM
just watched another one: dennis kucinich-D
saying the U.S must get out of iraq now!!!
he went on to say we need to go to the U.N to help us out
and we need to bring in the arabs to prop up irag.
bring in the B-52′S FOR 24/7 “cleaning”
I BET IT WOULDNT TAKE LONG.
i have yet to hear any outrage from the left on the brutal
murders of our men
mike hale on June 20, 2006 at 5:17 PM
Loved the pics…I hope he suffered, too…but watch out for the retaliation….more of our guys butchered. Still have not heard anything from the ACLU and other side about the torture and molestation of our American soldiers. Anyone hear Murtha say something kind? Kerry, or Dean…Clinton…any one look up the rules of the Geneva Convention to see where this kind of horse feathers falls under…?Torture and dismembering boidies of American G.I.’s. Pardon me..here it is…Says it is OK…now I can rest my head….Savages is too kind a word.
Sandys Beach on June 20, 2006 at 5:19 PM
Actually, Allah, no. The Jihadists do NOT surprise me. Not at all. What surprises me, however, and disgusts me, is how our President and his field commanders worry more about appearances, sensitivity training and politics than the welfare of our troops.
There really is little I can say or post regarding this because it has already been said, ad nauseam. However, I can only hope that the rage, hurt, revulsion and REVENGE by our troops pays these barbaric savages back a thousand fold.
A message to our politically correct leaders and their beck-and-call military commanders: TAKE THE REINS OFF OUR TROOPS! Stop the asinine politically correct insanity. Let the troops do the job we sent them to do: KILL THE ENEMY. Only then, will they stop killing us.
“Exterminate” means to destroy completely. As in “erase.” For good. Forever. As we do with vermin. And these animal thugs posing as human beings ARE vermin! There is nothing –- ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! –- that I would at this point object to, complain about or excoriate our troops for, no matter what they did to these animals. Their time has come.
What comes around, goes around.
P.S. (Mike Hale): Dennis Kucinich is just another Ramsey Clark. He even looks like him.
ForYourEdification on June 20, 2006 at 5:21 PM
What do you think they’re doing now? Didn’t I just post a photo of a dead enemy?
Allahpundit on June 20, 2006 at 5:22 PM
What a great counry we live in! We spend this much human and monetary capital to find two soldiers! Great!
Sandys Beach, I understand your frustration - it is better, however, to resolve to bomb the Iranian and N. Korrean bomb sites, or another al-Qaida hideout, or two, or however many there are. It was an Iraqi civilian who led our soldiers to the bodies. Not all are scared or bad, though indeed many are.
If the KOS kids are ‘giddy’ about what happened they are sick in the head and dumb, all at once. This only helps the conservative side.
Kucinich, just shut up. Who gave this little twit a stage?
Based on this we should all resolve to fight them harder and until they are destroyed!
The fact that the Left’s leadership is not expressing horror at what happened only helps conservatives for Nov.
Entelechy on June 20, 2006 at 5:27 PM
Allah:
I am talking about cleaning out the NESTS! The strongholds. en masse. This guys death is a blessing, but only a military campaign will send the message that we are serious.
ForYourEdification on June 20, 2006 at 5:28 PM
Something tells me there will be few, if any, Muslim captives to question in the foreseeable future. Shoot them dead on the spot, then question them. Military intel is going to get the same answers either way.
clyde on June 20, 2006 at 5:29 PM
I’m not sure carpet bombing em would be a good thing. However, I do get the feeling that our forces hands are pretty much tied as far as being able to properly fight against the insurgency.
Daily Kos: So our boys were tortured - how quaint.
This is the kinda disdain that’s out there. With the MSM looking over their shoulder and leftards picking at every little thing that happens looking for “outrageous” conduct to prosecute how can these guys fight a war?
I keep reading and hearing about the horror of Abu Ghraib and the prisoner abuse at Gitmo, and the leftards whining about the fact that it’s bad because we should hold the moral high ground. Where is the sense of proportion?
Cpilot on June 20, 2006 at 5:30 PM
Imagine how lost you must be to be able to convince yourself that mutilating a soldier’s body after you torture him is “God’s Will”. Sick…sick…sick and they seem to be proud of it. It is a disgrace for the people of the Middle East as they reflect on the culture that grows these nuts.
And the Left wonders why we are in Iraq. Imagine our Lefty west coast Moms, Dads, and kids having to defend themselves in the woods against these guys. They wouldn’t remain left wingers very long.
Shmo on June 20, 2006 at 5:34 PM
i see the reason people do not want heavy bombings,
no one wants to see little children hurt,
it has been our policy to allow innocents to flee
prior to all major operations. tell em they have
4hrs to leave then start pounding away!!!
they are they same one who hides the sobs
and anytime they get killed our guys are charged
with murder! war is war,it can not be p.c
mike hale on June 20, 2006 at 5:34 PM
So when is the massive march of a million shrieking liberals decrying this civil rights abuse and Geneva convention violation?
(Crickets warm up on the tubas)
Sigh.
I really don’t mean to sound callous, but can somebody answer a simple question for me: can you remind my why I’m supposed to care the next time liberals start ranting about Gitmo or Abu Gharaib or Haditha? Just let me know why I’m supposed to care, okay?
Better yet - explain to me why I’m not going to see Cindy Sheehan and Hugo Chavez holding signs and condeming the barbaric acts of Al-Queda. Anyone know the answer to that one?
I’m going to get a beer before I say some things I really, really want to say. Peace to all. God bless those men.
Professor Blather on June 20, 2006 at 5:35 PM
FYE,
I understand your frustration, my friend. Calm down now. you’re getting into a tizzy. drink some tea, breathe deeply. pet your dog, (if you have one). our guys are doing their jobs. there…there…see? feeling better already, i’ll bet.
off to eat mexican food…i’ll have a margarita for you.
toodles,
xoxo
pullingmyhairout on June 20, 2006 at 5:35 PM
What these two said. Exactly:
“Sure, but it’s nothing compared to the horrors of having panties put on your head at Abu Ghraib.
JammieWearingFool on June 20, 2006 at 4:17 PM
Torture?
You wanna talk about Korans in the commode and women interrogators and waterboarding after this sh*t?
And the real kicker? The terrorists would have / do this regardless of the Gitmo harpies/Abu Grahib hubub.
Hoodlumman on June 20, 2006 at 4:19 PM”
Professor Blather on June 20, 2006 at 5:36 PM
Deafeaning silence and moral authority are oxymorons. That’s what we get from our leadership on the Left.
Next time they mention Abu Ghraib, Gitmo or Haditha, we can throw their ’silence’ on the barbaric torture of our ‘boys’ into their faces and tell them to go back to their slumber for the next 20 years, until the war is won. Then we can tell them that it’s safe for them to raise their heads again and open their mouths to grasp for air (to grasp for sanity is to ask too much for).
In spite of everything, I see many successes on our part in the last 2 weeks. Here’s hoping this continues. It seems the Zarquawi get was indeed much bigger than the rat himself.
Entelechy on June 20, 2006 at 5:41 PM
That Sheik looks good in his most current pic. Now lets get the rest of those bastards.
gary on June 20, 2006 at 5:42 PM
torture. I want to grab every single idiot crying about torture and put them through the same “torture” that the Gitmo detainees “endured”. Then I want to take these people and put them through the same torture that the murderous swine put all the people they captured under.
The ironic thing is, these people will have no complaints after the Iraqi torture. They would be dead.
Or maybe let them go through Abu Garab(sp), both before and after the war. Most won’t survive Poppa Saddams gentle ministrations.
Wyrd on June 20, 2006 at 5:44 PM
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I smell a amateurish attempt at being a double agent in Sandys Beach.
Way too much rant, hyperbole and other moonbattery there.
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The Machine on June 20, 2006 at 5:46 PM
The news just announced the two soldiers were tortured and beheaded. The religion of peace marches on. Take no prisoners will be the new order of the day, official or not.
clyde on June 20, 2006 at 5:48 PM
American War-Fighting Then: Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki - all massive attacks upon civilian targets and we were considered the GOOD GUYS.
American War-Fighting Now: Panties on the head at Abu Grahib, a little too warm at Gitmo, the wife and child of a terrorist butcher killed along with him - ergo, America is EVIL!!!!
This war has dragged on for years and cost us thousands in dead and wounded and billions in treasure because WHITE GUILT has emasculated our war-fighting ability.
NEWS FLASH!!! The enemy already hates us, despite our good deeds, and the Treason Media and the government pansies will smear our soldiers as genodidal monsters for every stray bullet that hits a bystander while remaining silent as homicide bombers blow up civilians and our troops.
Since we’re gonna get it in the neck, no matter how kindly and gently we prosecute this action, I say we unleash our warriors and lay waste to the place and the people. If we rounded up 100 people at random and executed them for every one of our soldiers killed, how long before the population would refuse to allow the terrorists to hide behind their skirts.
Yes, this is a savage and barbaric suggestion, but since we’re losing because we’re the only ones bothering to play by the Marquis of Queensbury rules and we’re going to be smeared as monsters no matter what, we may as well actually commit some horrific violence to make the abuse worth our while.
Sorry, Allahpundit, but the time for rational discourse is over. Posting one dead jihadi when we’ve lost three of ours isn’t gonna cut it.
Paging General Sherman…
DirkBelig on June 20, 2006 at 5:52 PM
I wonder how many people in recent history(50 years)islime destroyed. Not to mention the forced indoctrination of the survivors and the treatment of women under this cult’s rule. How many non-islime terror organizations are there? No, better off buried. The US doesn’t count.
Hmmm. I read that the IRA is said to be responsible for approximately 3600 deaths and 40000 injured in the last 30 years and that they just recently disarmed under international supervision. Is this true? How many people has islime killed in the same time period? Hundreds of thousands? Millions?
When I was in college, it was forbidden to declare islime a terror religion. Every, and I mean EVERY instructor who would broach the subject, reflexively and sometimes angrily named the IRA and Christianity as the only terror organizations they were aware of. I wondered why they ALL said as much.
It occurs to me that a world without islime would be a world without terror, or with significantly less (90%)terror. Who else hijacks planes and blows up buildings like schools and buses in the name of their god?
What is the upside of not destroying this evil cult? What are the consequences of allowing it to continue? Just wondering.
ecamorg on June 20, 2006 at 6:02 PM
“Everyone thinks we’re evil, so we might as well prove them right” is what I’m hearing here.
Nope. Not buying it. I’m not going to be party the next Lidice. We’re at war to stop that sort of thing. It doesn’t work, and it’s just plain evil.
see-dubya on June 20, 2006 at 6:04 PM
See, this is what happens when you chain the good guys up in favor of the bad guys…
Does anyone have data on how many courts-martial/investigations/dishonorable discharges our brave men and women have endured as a percentage of how many enemies we’ve taken out?
In Germany, didn’t we have a policy of going after civilians since they were colluding with the enemy?
Is this really a war? Or just a PC self flaggelation in attempt to make our country look good to people who will always be jealous and therefore will always hate us no matter what we do?
If it’s the latter, I guess we should pull out. And start buying reams of fabric for all the burquas we’ll need.
I have no doubt our men and women can do what needs to be done without carpet bombing the region.
BUT they can only do it if the jerks back here back off and let them engage and take out the enemy without fear of retaliation from the country they are defending!!!!!
NTWR on June 20, 2006 at 6:04 PM
Allahpundit: haven’t you figured it out? In this asymmetrical war, there are no civilians. If Dresden-style carpet bombing will stop this, then I’m all for it.
dman on June 20, 2006 at 6:04 PM
clyde - love your comments, I couldn’t agree more. It’s the only way.
I pray every day that the military will be allowed to ‘crank it up’.
Let’s unleash our Military Might on these jihadists, NOW!!!
Richard Davis on June 20, 2006 at 6:14 PM
Dresden won no battles and was of no strategic importance. it’s a stain on our conduct in WWII. It did no good. Why would it be any different today?
Allah, was this sheik mansour posing for us up above the “spiritual advisor” who was supposed to have died with Zarqawi, or a different homicidal fanatic? I remember some discussion over whether the advisor got away.
I hope it’s a different guy and we’ve taken out two “spiritual advisers” now. Also, am I mistaken, or is his head unattached to his body? Hard to tell.
see-dubya on June 20, 2006 at 6:17 PM
‘Mr’. Machine….find another blog..this is not moonbattery, hyperbole or any other crap you wish to spew. Don’t like the way I say the truth…there is always DU or any of the other lib sites. Sorry..you are welcomed to your opinion as am I…..;-(
Sandys Beach on June 20, 2006 at 6:20 PM
OK, the scumbags are there. We have successfully attracted them into one place and starting to terminate them. I want to get this right, this Murtha and Kerry and the Democrats want us to leave now????????????
They sure know how to pick their timing!
I’d say, let us get these rodents one by one and put their photos up so the world can all see their demise and their future. Jihad PAYS and its wage is death!
easy87us on June 20, 2006 at 6:29 PM
Different guy, See-Dub. The other one was named Abdul al-Rahman.
Allahpundit on June 20, 2006 at 6:30 PM
And here he is today after an airmail delivery of U.S. ordnance:
BWAHAHA! It is like they are holding him up like a big mouth bass. Man that is funny. Hey Osama Special Delivery headed your way!!
Theworldisnotenough on June 20, 2006 at 6:31 PM
And yeah, it does look unattached.
Allahpundit on June 20, 2006 at 6:31 PM
And what you smell there, sparky, is your own coward sweat.
Sandys Beach on June 20, 2006 at 6:42 PM
By the way see-dubya…. If by they you mean Al-Qaeda, Sandy, you’re right. If by “they” you mean “eight year old girls going to school in Baghdad”, then, well, you’re an idiot.
You, sir are the idiot…a major one…try discerning the good guys from the bad…Nam proved that…Cong sent 8 year old boys to sell cigaretts to the GI’s and then blew themselves up, taking half the tent with them…no sir, I am not the idiot….look in your mirror.
Sandys Beach on June 20, 2006 at 6:52 PM
Prayers for the families.
Wild Thing on June 20, 2006 at 6:54 PM
see-dubya, ask some WWII vets and experts whether Dresden had no importance. I believe it crippled Germany’s war manufacturing machine.
I’m not saying that the cost/benefit is there for something like this, but it should be a military decision at this point. We already have no support on Iraq from any but a few stalwart allies, and therefore have nothing political to lose.
dman on June 20, 2006 at 6:56 PM
All of you geniuses suggesting mass extermination of Iraqis ought to take note that this would end the mission just as surely as the Murtha plan would end the mission. Every dead American will have died in vain, and we’d be right back where we started from, only this time we’d have the left running things with a great big “I told you so” stink eye.
Our boys are figting shoulder to shoulder with Iraqis, and if this indeed al-Qaeda those responsible are probably not Iraqis at all. Either way, they are Iraq’s enemies as much as they are ours.
I’m just as pissed as you are at this, but let’s not lose our minds, ok?
Pablo on June 20, 2006 at 6:56 PM
There was no manufacturing in Dresden, Sandys. We lost our heads and screwed up. Just like you want us to do now.
see-dubya on June 20, 2006 at 7:05 PM
Pablo: I disagree. This war will only be won when we identify and destroy the root cause of terror…islime.
Not crushing the demonic root of this terror group will be the disservice to the heroes who fell fighting it. To say that islime is not the problem is bu!!$#!t. You know it, I know it. EVERYONE KNOWS IT. What does the quran itself say? What do the hadiths say THOUSANDS of times? Take your GDamned PC blinders off and recognize the history, the atrocity, the numbers, the TRUTH Dammit!
No islime-no problem.
ecamorg on June 20, 2006 at 7:11 PM
Iraq isn’t Vietnam. Do you see 8 year olds blowing GI’s up in Iraq?
Pablo on June 20, 2006 at 7:13 PM
Do you think Zarqawi and Mansur are eachother’s virgins??
Just wondering…
NTWR on June 20, 2006 at 7:17 PM
NTWR–All of Mansur, or just his head?
see-dubya on June 20, 2006 at 7:18 PM
Pablo: I disagree. This war will only be won when we identify and destroy the root cause of terror…islime.
You think you can bomb that out of 1.5 billion people?
Not crushing the demonic root of this terror group will be the disservice to the heroes who fell fighting it. To say that islime is not the problem is bu!!$#!t. You know it, I know it. EVERYONE KNOWS IT.
Then you should be happy that al-Qaeda is blowing up so many muslims. Are you happy about that escamorg? Like when they blow up a market, with women who are just out trying to get some dinner to put on the table, and maybe with a couple of kids tagging along. Does that make you happy? I mean, they’re muslims and EVERYONE KNOWS what that means, right?
Ever read Michael Yon? Blackfive? Mudville Gazette? They know what it means.
Pablo on June 20, 2006 at 7:19 PM
NTWR, they could not tell the difference.
easy87us on June 20, 2006 at 7:22 PM
“Do you think Zarqawi and Mansur are eachother’s virgins??”
Hahah! Why not? They have so much in common and their latest pictures were beautiful. Sure! Have at it boys! How many virgin targets can you find on each other now(bulletholes, shrapnel, compound fractures, punctured lungs ect)? Hahah!
ecamorg on June 20, 2006 at 7:28 PM
The conduct of the “insurgents” is not surprising, though that doesn’t take away from the fact that this was a horrible, cowardly, disgusting act.
Sandys… carpet bombing? Come on. Not the answer. There are good people in Iraq, people who just want their children to grow up free of the fear they have known thier entire lives, people who have braved terrorist threats several times to go vote on their new government.
Don’t say “collateral damage”. It would be men, women and children who have nothing to do with the terrorists. And that is unacceptable. We are not like these terrorist animals.
The “insurgents” are a small fraction of the population at large, and many of them are foreign. They aren’t representative of the average citizen. Remember how the people of Iraq danced in the streets when Zarqawi was killed?
Doesn’t bring our boys back, but we are going to win this.
And Sheikh does look great in his most recent glamour shot.
violet on June 20, 2006 at 7:35 PM
I think my point is not understood…it is hard to tell who the enemy is…and Iraq is like all wars….WW1 and WW2 Korea and VietNam…the enemy hides among its own…Didn’t we see young children with bombs strapped to them…women also…Terrorism is the enemy and ANYONE can be a terrorist.
Am I the only one who understands this?…it is unfortunate to have to talk in this manner….but I will state it again…WAR SUCKS! People die and things get broke. My clear understanding is that we kill them ALL before they kill us ALL…someone correct me here.
Sandys Beach on June 20, 2006 at 7:40 PM
Well he IS winking at Mr. Z in that shot. ;-)
speed647 on June 20, 2006 at 7:45 PM
“Then you should be happy that al-Qaeda is blowing up so many muslims”
Whatever, Pablo. I look around and read history and all I see is islam related death. The fact that they slaughter each other wholesale is only more proof of their barbarity.
“You think you can bomb that out of 1.5 billion people”?
Wouldn’t have to. Absolute force against a few dozen of the worst cities would go a long way in persuading them to lay down their arms, give up their leaders, and renounce that death cult. 1.5 billion? Sure. I’ll bet there are millions who would get as far away from that cult as fast as they could if they weren’t scared spitless of the repercussions.
Ann Coulter was dead right.
Would you rather wait until there are 3 or 4 billion of those animals?
ecamorg on June 20, 2006 at 7:46 PM
If we don’t crush our enemy, which wants to destroy us totally,out of existence, forever, on this planet, this planet and all others, simply because we do not follow Sharia law, IF we dont rise to this challenge,
THEN we deserve to live in a world which is made up of Sharia law, and clitorectomies ,and honor killings, and head-shearings, and murders, and mass burials, and women in black sweaty head to foot covers, and prayer rugs, and no more little sweet girls, because they are outlawed, those little ones who dress up in mama’s clothes, or who dress like little ballerinas, or Fairies,or litle boys dressed like pirates or cowboys—-no more.They will be GONE.
No more Halloween,or Christmas,or Thanksgiving, its all gone, its done for EVER. LISTEN! Its gone and DONE forever!
Im so godam sad about those 2 poor boys, Im so goddam sad,and despairing about their poor tortured selves.Im so sorry.sorry. But if we leave now we tell them ( the enemy)what we are made of. We disrespect the ones who made the sacrifices.Want to say more but just worn out.
lizzee on June 20, 2006 at 7:47 PM
A thought just occured to me.
I wonder why the Chinese ain’t having problems with islam?
US Congress Told of Chinese Muslims’ Plight
I sometimes think if the leftards get their way and force our surrender to islam. China maybe the only thing left between islam and world domination.
Hope it don’t come to that.
Cpilot on June 20, 2006 at 7:57 PM
Phew!
Allah, you are walking a skinny and difficult line, Sir. And I think I agree with you. We are standing shoulder to shoulder with the Iraqis and fighting together against Jihadism.
But things are coming to a head, as they say. I understand Sandy’s Beach and the other’s sentiments. It is hard to dispute the results of Dresden, Nagasaki or Hiroshima. I too, feel the intense anger, outrage and want for a quick, decisive solution.
But the fact that there are many Iraqis fighting for freedom is something we cannot ignore to the point of pulling out our troops and bombing them into a blue glazed parking lot, either. We fought for freedom and initial independence once, too… remember? We are better than the Jihadists and we can’t turn our backs now on those we went in there to save.
As usual, somewhere in between lies the answer.
I want to see FEAR, REAL FEAR in the eyes of the Iraqi civilian and the Iraqi soldier. FEAR that they must do ALL that they can, individually and collectively, such that they cannot be perceived as one of the enemy. That fear would be instilled by a gloves off, hardcore Iron Fist policy.
Martial Law until further notice.
NO PRISONERS… if you are a terrorist or seen fighting against us… YOU ARE SHOT. PERIOD.
Show them that if they are found to be taking part in terrorist activities or even PERCEIVED to be, they WILL DIE NOW.
Line their asses up (those who are captured) and SHOOT THEM in PUBLIC… just like they do when they behead someone for a crime. I’m talking about normal capital punishment beheading, prevalent policy for high crimes throughout the Middle East. They do it on Fridays, too, their Holy Day. It is the public display of punishment that is effective.
Doubt me there? When I was getting ready “to be allowed” (hopefully) to leave Dubai many years ago, I noticed a headline in the newspaper that stated that the murder rate for the year NATIONALLY dropped by 60%!!! Wow, must be a lesson here, eh?
So I read the article. Yup, it dropped from 10 to 4!!! That’s 60% by Cracky! Why? Because the penalty for murder is DEATH… PERIOD. On Friday, publicly, by firing squad or by beheading.
And that works! They GET IT! Murder suddenly is not a popular sport anymore. Oh, it does happen, but damn rarely (this was the case back in the mid to late 80’s in UAE).
An honest to God “take no prisoners, when in doubt dump ‘em anyway” policy would work and cause those wishing to live through this to stand and fight. They have had over 30 years of Saddam’s Iron Fist rule and this they understand!
The difference would be that THIS TIME it is for their own good in the long term.
The libs would scream from the treetops (just like they are doing now). And just like is the case now, if we don’t start ignoring them and dealing with this directly, their prissy PC war “conduct” is going to ultimately get us all killed!
You’d still have innocent victims (you’re going to have in war anyway) but there would be one helluva lot less of them than if you carpet bombed or nuked.
OK, I’m braced for the coming attacks. Let ‘er go, Folks…
horsepower_1st on June 20, 2006 at 8:00 PM
Violet..yes,carpet bombing…or perhaps I have the terminology wrong….what do you want to do?…let loose with some peace doves? Remember who these terrorists killed on 9/11…men, women and children going about their normal day…what did they do to cause these animals to fly planes into their building? NOTHING…revenge is an ugly word…but this is what they asked for…I say give it back to them in spades.
Sandys Beach on June 20, 2006 at 8:02 PM
Is ANYONE surprised by this?
They cut people’s heads off, they fly airplanes into buildings, they make children walk into minefields ahead their soldiers, they blow up school buses, they take children hostage, they use woman as human shields, they burn civilians and hang bodies from bridges, they kill men for shaving, they kidnap and kill their pacifist allies, they use boatbombs to attack ships, they kill women for showing hair, they use donkeybombs, they use impressionable young boys to be humanbombs, they test chemical weapons on dogs, they use the fantasy of eternal sex to brainwash men into suicide attacks, they plant roadside bombs, they use carbombs against innocent civilians, they destroy mosques of other islamic sects, they behead Christian schoolgirls, they etc etc etc we could go on forever! Is anybody surprised by these barbaric acts?
Tony737 on June 20, 2006 at 8:02 PM
Horse power…you make sense…and yes…somewhere in there lies the answer…perhaps we never will know how to finesse a war so as to save innocent life…but this is all we have right now and the only other way is to do it the lib way…
and that means the enemy wins…
Sandys Beach on June 20, 2006 at 8:09 PM
The fact that they slaughter each other wholesale is only more proof of their barbarity.
Whose barbarity? The victims? What about the Iraqis fighting these guys and dying alongside us? You think us bombing their families for being muslims is going to help wipe these jihadis out? You think that demonstrating that America can’t be trusted is the answer?
We need allies there. We also need to demonstrate a better way to live, and that’s exactly what we’re doing.
We’d be complete idiots to blow what we’ve accomplished over there, and you being pissed off about this incident doesn’t change that.
I want to win, not just show our nuts off. That’s what we’re doing.
Pablo on June 20, 2006 at 8:10 PM
As per the linked CNN story, Menchaca’s uncle, Mario Vasquez, wants the military to retaliate swiftly and without negotiation since the killers didn’t.
I for one am with him on this. We need to finish this and the sooner the better. Violence is the only thing the terrorist understand, so we need to put an end to it violently. The islamofacist wont put their guns down and negotiate. We shouldn’t, except with the gun.
By the way, where is the outrage from the ACLU??? They’re all for the rights of the islamofacist terrorist. The terrorist prisoners at Guantanamo Bay. But not for US Soldiers.
Les
LurP on June 20, 2006 at 8:10 PM
Hey, LurP..I was waiting for the ACLU also…hehehe…I called them and they said they would get back to me on that…RIIIIGHT!!!!!! HOLDING MY BREATH HERE…
Sandys Beach on June 20, 2006 at 8:14 PM
I understand what you’re saying. I really do. Honestly, I understand your frustration. This is one more terrible act on top of many terrible acts perpetrated by a group that hides behind civilian human shields and shows a blatant, barbaric disregard for human life. Frustration and anger is understandable.
But we can’t descend to their level (ie, showing disregard for civilian lives), because we are better than they are. We don’t kill kids randomly. We don’t accept “collateral damage”.
Something needs to be done to incentivize the Iraqi people into revealing the cells in their midst, that much is true. Things can’t keep going on as they are, but we can’t cause wholesale destruction in a country we are trying to rebuild in a democratic model.
This isn’t Vietnam, and all wars are different.
violet on June 20, 2006 at 8:15 PM
Sandy’s:
Thank you, I am trying so hard to make some sense. Not to be the Answer Man or the King Cheese on this board, but to try to offer a rational, workable course of action.
I’m not a wimp (or at least I don’t think I am), but I have shed more tears on this keyboard this afternoon reading the impassioned words of all of us here than I can count. For a true conservative man who according to all the libs is bereft of feeling, the animalistic deaths of these two service men cuts me, and I know it cuts ALL of us, as if it were my own flesh and blood family.
Perhaps it will move the great minds here, or one reading these words elsewhere, to a course of serious action that brings about an end to this horror. We may differ on our methods, opinions and periods of straying from what might make a sane decision… but we ALL want this to end.
horsepower_1st on June 20, 2006 at 8:18 PM
… and might I add: They’re following the orders of their false prophet who has been dead for 1,300 years but they wanna live in his day and age and force us to live there (then) too. If we comply, we live, if not, we die. If ya know anything about the history of islam you can see the same patterns being followed for 13 centuries.
Tony737 on June 20, 2006 at 8:22 PM
It made me sick yesterday to learn that 2 soldiers were missing. Today, my heartaches for the families of all the fallen heroes. I certainly understand the desire at the moment to lash out at everything that moves over there, but in reality, violet and pablo have the right idea. It was encouraging to see the Iraquis who were dancing in the street when Zarqwari was killed — didn’t see much of it though … seems like we continue to see mostly just want the msm wants us to.
wytammic on June 20, 2006 at 8:22 PM
Allah,
I think the new buttons look sweet too:) But you know, just one more suggestion … how hard would it be to number each comment box? I think that would be swell — you know, I think Expose the Left does that, and it just makes it easier to keep track of comments.
wytammic on June 20, 2006 at 8:25 PM
Yeah, I want to go release some peace doves. What do you think I am, a KosKid?
That means we have to be just as barbaric?
Like I said before, I totally understand your anger. I feel it too. But we can’t engage in wholesale slaughter just because they do.
These fuckers piss me off, ok? And I want their asses dead. But I don’t want to see the bodies of Iraqi kids on the news, killed by my superior mitilia out of revenge.
violet on June 20, 2006 at 8:25 PM
ok, before our marines went into fallujah, all innocent people were allowed to leave(which is standard for all major operations). The only ones left were the insurgents who fired down on our marines from roof tops
as they worked their way through the city,understand!
quit trying to demonetize people who advocate carpet bombing these cities. take the war to them,
again no one wants children hurt,let them leave
and then take care of business. how many marines would have died had we leveled fallujah first. we have to break their will to fight…remember the japanese were just as willing to die. strange how these people seem to know when an attack on our troops are about to happen.maybe carpet bombing in not the right option but one thing for sure needs to be done: let our guys take the fight to them.
mike hale on June 20, 2006 at 8:25 PM
Allah
Question for you. With nothing but bad news being reported by the mainstream media the public will eventually demand that our troops come home. George Bush will be out of office on January 20th 2009. We can’t guarantee that another hawk will be elected. As we get closer to that date and for the sake of arguement we do make progress but Iraq is not yet ready to take over security and al Qaeda continues to behead people what would you do?
Capitalist Infidel on June 20, 2006 at 8:28 PM
wytammic:
So frustrating, right? I wanted to see more comparisons of the American media’s and the Iraqi media’s reactions. But no one in the MSM touched the fact the American media was in mourning.
violet on June 20, 2006 at 8:32 PM
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