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By: Hot Air » Blog Archive » Video: Scott Pelley grills Haditha Marine Frank Wuterich on “60 Minutes”

Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:17:48 +0000

[...] If you don’t have 25 minutes, load the first clip at CBS (it’s in two parts) and skip ahead to seven minutes in. That picks up with Wuterich talking about the white car filled with young Iraqi men that he noticed right after the roadside bomb went off. It’s their killings, not the house-to-house clearings that came later, that investigators have said are the most incriminating. Wuterich claims he suspected them of having planted the IED and shot them as they ran away, but one Marine and an Iraqi soldier who were there say that the five were simply standing by the car in a line when he gunned them down. CBS showed a photo of the bodies last night, which to my knowledge is the first time it’s ever been seen. I screencapped it for posterity. [...]

By: Hot Air » Blog Archive » Haditha: Marines’ lawyers outraged by leak of NCIS report

Sun, 07 Jan 2007 03:36:18 +0000

[...] The Times reported months ago that the incident with the five Iraqis in the taxi, not the house clearings, was the diciest that day. According to yet another leaker, a “senior defense official” who spoke tonight to the AP, one of the victims might have been kneeling when Wuterich allegedly shot him. The same source says investigators found nothing to support the Marines’ claim that the men were running away at the time, and that in fact “all five Iraqis were shot within arm’s length of each other and no more than 18 feet from the white taxi they were ordered to exit…” [...]

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By: Hot Air » Blog Archive » Haditha: NewsMax says new A/V corroborates Marine’s account

Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:46:01 +0000

[...] Those transmissions appear to be the only hard evidence of what happened immediately after the IED went off, when most of the killing occurred. (The video drone didn’t get there until later.) The Marines’ lawyers insist they took fire from homes along the street, which is why they went in with guns blazing. The Times’s article about Haditha on June 17th quoted one soldier who was nearby at the time as questioning that. Obviously, the credibility of the rampage/retaliation “massacre” scenario depends heavily on whether the Marines involved were defending themselves from an attack or being … pro-active. [...]

By: Wizbang

Wizbang — Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:03:42 +0000

Haditha Report: No Cover Up…

The Haditha report has been completed and the general who was in charge of investigating the soldiers involved found that there was no cover up. WASHINGTON — The general charged with investigating whether Marines tried to cover up the killing……

By: dman

dman — Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:12:59 +0000

Count me in with Pablo. Just where was the NYT on Rathergate?

By: Dread Pirate Roberts VI

Dread Pirate Roberts VI — Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:07:04 +0000

Why is anyone quoting from the NYT, much less reading it? Are you simply trying to justify continuing to receive the remainder of your LAST subscription?

By: Mike H.

Mike H. — Mon, 19 Jun 2006 03:18:52 +0000

Maybe we can get around this problem of ROE by doing what LBJ did in ‘Nam. We just issue rifles in the proper caliber and then don’t give the troops any ammo and tell them to accomplish the mission. A simple fix, and then in two years and 58,000 dead we can come home like the Democrats want and everyone will be happy. The Vietnam vets will be happy because tradition has been upheld. Charlie…uh… able quebec will be happy because they get to slaughter half the population, the Shia will be happy because their innermost feelings about the US will be shown to be true. A win-win-win situation. And no ‘civilians’ in the sunni triangle will have been killed (except for these at the moment). The only thing better would be to stand the platoons up in a line just before the mission and shoot them, then the ROE would really have been followed to the letter. War should be a hygenic operation, no mistakes, no surprises.

By: pullingmyhairout

pullingmyhairout — Sun, 18 Jun 2006 17:09:10 +0000

If I had a bird, I’d line the cage with the NYT. That’s about the best thing to do with the rag. I don’t buy it as a credible source and no one else should either.

By: Haditha: Investigation looks bad for Marines at The Politburo Diktat

Haditha: Investigation looks bad for Marines at The Politburo Diktat — Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:19:08 +0000

[...] Hot Air » NYT on Haditha: Investigation looks bad for Marines The shootings inside the homes aren’t even the worst of it, their sources say. It’s the evidence from the killing of the first five men, who the Marines claimed were fleeing the scene in a “taxi,” that’s most damning.The overview: [...]

By: Michelle Malkin

Michelle Malkin — Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:11:48 +0000

SUNDAY QUICK LINKS…

Listen to Pajamas Media Blog Week in Review * Fumento in Ramadi (multimedia) * Send good wishes to Ed Morrissey, who’s out of the hospital * LGF catches NYT shilling for Islam * Minutemen fence vandalized, reports Michelle at Freedom……

By: DannoJyd

DannoJyd — Sun, 18 Jun 2006 05:07:20 +0000

I see that I don’t need to pile on about crediblity of anything comming from the NYT so I’ll just add something that bothers me. This ‘report’ has been apparently written by John M. Broder reporting from Los Angeles and Camp Pendleton, Calif., David S. Cloud, Eric Schmitt and Thom Shanker seem to have added information from Washington, John Kifner from Cincinnati, and Carolyn Marshall did the same from Camp Pendleton. I don’t see how they could have formed a coherent view of the situation but I do see that there are plenty of reporters to blame if this turns out to be another Rather report. Indeed, if someone had to investigate who it was that reported what it would take months to unravel.

I shall continue to believe in our troops innocence until it is proven conclusively to be otherwise. ;o)

By: birdman

birdman — Sun, 18 Jun 2006 04:57:58 +0000

Be very wary of unnamed sourses.

By: NEMETI IN SYRACUSE

NEMETI IN SYRACUSE — Sun, 18 Jun 2006 02:19:40 +0000

Everyone should remember just where this crap is springing up from, the NEW YORK TIMES! Any questions as to why every gun is pointing at the heads of the US Military? Pinch and his boys are up late at night twisting, tangling, and doing what ever they can to place our military right in the middle of the circle. Please don’t let yourself forget that!

By: calnevari

calnevari — Sun, 18 Jun 2006 01:17:49 +0000

No offense to Allah, but, The New York Times? When was it ever fit to wrap fish in let alone read?

By: Global News Blog » Iraq - New killing brings journalists death toll to 98 since the start …

Sat, 17 Jun 2006 23:12:36 +0000

[...] NYT on Haditha: Investigation looks bad for MarinesHot Air, MD - 6 hours ago… But a corporal from this same group, who had been badly wounded in Falluja but was able to return for a second deployment, said there was intermittent small … [...]

By: Small Town Veteran

Small Town Veteran — Sat, 17 Jun 2006 23:10:15 +0000

NYT on Haditha: Investigation looks bad for Marines…

Read about it here. Just remember that just because it’s in the Times doesn’t always mean it’s true….

By: Pablo

Pablo — Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:35:58 +0000

I just noticed that Paul Hackett is representing one of these guys.

I wonder where Murtha and Co are going to go with that.

By: Romeo13

Romeo13 — Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:31:24 +0000

Hmmm…. and Rove is going to be indicted???

Any reasonable defense if going to chew so many holes in this “case” that its pathetic.

Pictures and evidence from very suspect sources a DAY after it happened??? That didn’t surface for months?

Exhume the bodies… bring in CSI…

And find the Tresonous A hole who is leaking this… this WILL lead to more Moslems taking up arms…

By: GT

GT — Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:05:39 +0000

“Let’s see what NCIS makes of this. I can wait until then to form an opinion.”

Agreed. Right now I’m seeing more speculation and opinion than known facts. In my heart, I hope the accused are innocent and will be fully exonerated. The sad thing is that if they are, this will an albatross hanging from their neck for the rest of their lives.

However, if they evidence proves their guilt, they deserve everything they get.

By: tormod

tormod — Sat, 17 Jun 2006 21:39:54 +0000

My nephew in the Marines thinks this is more B.S.
He says the way they do things and the story has too many wrong elements in it. Considering the source(NYT-MSM), I’m inclined to agree with him. Let’s see what NCIS makes of this. I can wait until then to form an opinion.

By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive » The NYT’s New Haditha Article

Flopping Aces » Blog Archive » The NYT’s New Haditha Article — Sat, 17 Jun 2006 21:16:21 +0000

[...] And then Hot Air points us to the original TIME piece which said: “The video was obtained by the Hammurabi Human Rights Group, and has been shared with TIME… The scenes from inside the houses show that the walls and ceilings are pockmarked with shrapnel and bullet holes as well as the telltale spray of blood.” [...]

By: Moose Dung

Moose Dung — Sat, 17 Jun 2006 21:10:07 +0000

The NYT has absolutely zero credibility on these issues. For all we know they were talking to British investigators thinking they were US investigators.

Pinch and Co., are hell bent on getting Dems back into power and any story that would impede that effort gets: a)correctively edited, b) burried on D23, or c) spiked.

NYT a credible news source on the war? Rubbish.

dung.

By: easy87us

easy87us — Sat, 17 Jun 2006 19:28:24 +0000

I think they should check out the identities of the dead Iraqis first. They could be insurgents. How come I have not seen any report on the backgrounds of the owner of the house or the victims.

There were fire fights. In view of this I think the least they should do is to check out who were in the house…..what the F%$K is worng with the military investigators??????

By: The Real Ugly American.com » Blog Archive » New York Times Weighs in on Haditha

Sat, 17 Jun 2006 19:14:41 +0000

[...] Wow I just saw this at Hot Air who is citing the original Times piece that was full of errors: You think? From Time’s original story on Haditha: “The video was obtained by the Hammurabi Human Rights Group, and has been shared with TIME… The scenes from inside the houses show that the walls and ceilings are pockmarked with shrapnel and bullet holes [...]