Murtha: Unteachable

posted at 10:42 pm on June 17, 2006 by Bryan

It’s not enough for the congressman from PA to smear Marines who have yet to be charged with a crime. The man is incapable of learning any lesson from any war other than Vietnam. Media Blog has video of Rep. Jack Murtha on CNN advocating that the US adopt the Somalia pullout as a model for getting out of Iraq. I’m not making this up. Here’s the quote:

MURTHA: The thing that disturbed me and worries me about this whole thing is we can’t get them to change direction. And I said over and over in debate, if you listen to any of it, in Beirut President Reagan changed direction, in Somalia President Clinton changed direction, and yet here, with the troops out there every day, suffering from these explosive devices, and being looked at as occupiers — 80 percent of the people want us out of there — and yet they continue to say, “We’re fighting this thing.” We’re not fighting this. The troops are fighting this thing. That’s who’s doing the fighting.

That “change of direction” in Somalia struck most of the world, and particularly Osama bin Laden who had trained many of the fighters our troops encountered there, as a full-out retreat. Which is pretty much what it was. That “change of direction” emboldened bin Laden to see us as a paper tiger that could be easily struck and defeated. The “change of direction” in Somalia led to 9-11: bin Laden believed based largely on Somalia that we would not fight back if attacked, or that would not sustain the fight if we did decide to strike out at him. Iraq is about many things, among them proving bin Laden and anyone who agrees with him wrong about all of that.

Murtha would have us validate the “change of direction” as the surest way to defeat the US.

When does it become legitimate to question not only Rep. Murtha’s patriotism, but his loyalty and even his sanity?

I know that he’s a former Marine. In my book, that makes his comments that consistently help the enemy that much worse. He ought to know better.

Update: Murtha was on Meet the Press this morning. His solution for winning in Iraq: Redeploy our troops outside Iraq and base our air power for that war in Okinawa. Mr. Murtha may need to look at a map, and read Blackfive’s assessment of this, the only Democrat alternative strategy for Iraq.

Because, you see, Okinawa is in Japan. Over 4,000 nautical miles away from Iraq, and on the other side of Iran and China.

Call me crazy, but Murtha’s strategy may need a re-think.

Update: Murtha can’t claim that offering Okinawa as a base from which to fight the war in Iraq was a slip of the tongue. Gateway Pundit says Murtha has said it before.

The man is a lunatic.


Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

He is not insane. he is just being convinced that USA is the biggest threat to the “One World Governement” concept. The “One World Government” virus has gotten the best of him.

easy87us on June 17, 2006 at 10:59 PM

Murtha is a traitor.

Yet another link: http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/911-commission-somalia-retreat-inspired-bin-laden

The soldiers that fought in Mogadishu wanted to go back in, kick major ass and finish the job. Read “Black Hawk Down” by Mark Bowden

Murtha helped convince Clinton to pull out. He doesn’t deserve the title of “Marine”, IMO.

speed647 on June 17, 2006 at 11:01 PM

I am renewing my invitation to you.

Murtha, my poor baby, we missed you at Bingo.

Come, let’s have some fun as we did before you decide to be a media whore.

Ok honey?

5 PM at VFW 69 as usual baby.

Don’t forget to bring your daubers and some diapers.

Oh, Sofia says “Hi”. ;-)

Muuuuaaaaaaahhhhhh

Your friend,

Dick

CatholicConservative on June 17, 2006 at 11:14 PM

John Murtha is a member of what David Horowitz, called the “Destructive Generation.

calnevari on June 17, 2006 at 11:18 PM

To defeat John Murtha you must know his source of support.

He belongs to the extreme left, so he is drawing his support from Kerry and Kennedy.

Murtha and Kerry speak as one voice. They both work for Ted Kennedy. They are trying to take back the party to prepare for certain junior Kennedy to surface. They are trying to intimidate the Demos to fall in line with Kennedy.

They are supporting Al Gore from behind the scene because Al can embarass Hillary.

Hillary is fighting a battle of two fronts.

When it comes to the final, we could have Kerry again running in 2008. Mark my word.

easy87us on June 17, 2006 at 11:26 PM

The man is an embarrassment. One can only hope that Pennsylvania finally comes to its senses and boots the fool.

.

GT on June 17, 2006 at 11:44 PM

Murtha – you’re the reason they invented fragging AND firing squads…

Murtha – you scum of the earth, unoriginal, phoney marine, TRAITOR, you deserve to be executed by a squad of Marines…

I wanna see you do “the Uzi-Boogaloo”!!

Most Americans (80%+) would cheer when you finally get blindfolded and given your last cigarette (that’s the same amount of soldiers 80% you said want to pull out of Iraq (LIE!).

Elton John is today’s Liberace.
Murtha is today’s Benedict Arnold.

Webster’s Dictionary definition of “Murtha” – a person who betrays his country, cause, friends, etc. A sneaky contemptable person. One who acts as an informer for the enemy. A rat.

Richard Davis on June 17, 2006 at 11:51 PM

There are few things more sad than when an otherwise lucid individual who has established a proud record of service to the country starts to lose touch with reality publicly and becomes an embarrassment to the country. John Kerry does not fit that mold because he had no record of which to be proud. John Murtha does. I do have serious questions about his grasp on reality and whether he has become mentally disabled. His tone has become more shrill and his statements have become more extreme to the point of incoherent and dangerous. He clearly is losing touch with reality. I truly believe that his statements far surpass political rhetoric; his mental condition is no laughing matter. I would be curious to know facts about whether he harbored such anti-war sentiment when he was on active duty. If not, what triggered his near complete loss of touch with logic and reality? Hard to believe that it is purely politics. I question his fitness to continue as a member of the House of Representatives.

csjd on June 17, 2006 at 11:56 PM

John Murtha…just please go…you are truly an embarrasment to yourself and, more importantly, your Marines. When you cannot see the differnect between the good guys and the enemy, that just means your time is up. Retire to a fishing hole somewhere…learn how to assemble fly hooks…really…you can still be productive.

Sandys Beach on June 18, 2006 at 12:02 AM

If you were the main driving force to pullout of Somalia, as Murtha was, and then you hear bin Laden say that your actions were the impetus for 9/11, what would you do?

Denial would cause you to keep making the same mistake. To do otherwise would be to accept responibility. Murtha wants to believe he was right back then because a man would commit suicide if he allowed himself to believe for a moment that his actions were the impetus for 9/11.

It’s got to haunt him. To make matters worse, didn’t United 93 crash in his district? Those people died heroes for facing the very same evil that Murtha enabled by failing to face it.

Perchant on June 18, 2006 at 12:05 AM

12 district of Pennsylvania is close to the heart land. It has sufficient conservatives to unseat Murtha. All the candidate needs to do is to focus of border security, no amnesty and why amnesty would cause the SS system to collapse, he shall win that district.

This is one of the seat that the conservatives can take from the Demo.

easy87us on June 18, 2006 at 12:06 AM

csjd – well stated! BZ!

I think you’re right, he very well could be mentally imbalanced right now… everything he says lately sounds like the words of a lunatic!

Richard Davis on June 18, 2006 at 12:32 AM

How many people have died because of libs like Murtha. Well lets start here, 9/11 over 3000. How many troopers have died in the line of duty fighting for this country, and will die in the future, unknown. How many mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, sons, dauthers, have cried out for their loved ones, unknown. How many countrymen have cried for our killed in action, wouneded in action, and their family and friends. This I can answer the number is in the MILLIONS. I could give a flying rats ass to as what Ann said about this seditous freak Murtha, or the Jersey Nazis.

birdman on June 18, 2006 at 12:34 AM

Murtha’s not a “former Marine.”

He’s an EX-Marine.

Misha I on June 18, 2006 at 12:40 AM

I believe that Easy is on the right track.

Murtha must be making these undefinable statements as part of a bigger political calculation. As I see it, he did much the same when Cigarman was in office which empowered him then so maybe he is repeating his past endeavors in the belief that it will further his political career yet again. Blame the liberal mindset for not realizing that all pulling out did was to provide support for the Bin Laden paper tiger theory which led to the 9-11 attacks.

Any Kennedy would make a better chauffer than Murta would make as a war strategist.

DannoJyd on June 18, 2006 at 12:47 AM

When do we get rid of the senile bastards like Murtha and Byrd? It really is an embarassment…….

R D on June 18, 2006 at 12:53 AM

For the life of me, I can never understand how a former marine could say such gutter-tripe like Murtha and actually believe in his rhetoric…his dishonor to his nation and that proud uniform he once wore no no bounds.

Terlizzi999 on June 18, 2006 at 1:01 AM

It goes back to the fact that I want my politicians to do what is RIGHT for the country, not what is right for their political futures.

Mortis on June 18, 2006 at 7:17 AM

Murtha is a crook. Someone, somewhere is lining his pockets and pulling his strings. In addition, he’s not an ex-marine, he’s always been a cut & run sheep/crook in a Marine uniform. I’d love to hear what any of the true Marines that worked with him have to say about this treasonous scum. Anyone remember him in the Abscam deal? He was an unindicted co-conspirator.

darwin on June 18, 2006 at 7:40 AM

Misha…I don’t know the difference between former or ex, but I know this…he is a traitor…and there is no such thing as a FORMER or EX traitor…he will wear THAT till his end.
But, thanks for trying to clarify.

Sandys Beach on June 18, 2006 at 7:51 AM

I’ve always been taught that once you are a Marine, you are always a Marine even after you leave the service. My father served in the Marines back in the 60’s.

Murtha has betrayed the Marines and everything they have fought and died for.

.

GT on June 18, 2006 at 7:55 AM

Actually the war would be less costly if Marines could concentrate on defending themselves against enemy combatants of every age and sex instead of against JAG lawyers. Thank you Jack-ass Murthafuc*er. When you die , my dog and I will visit your grave. When he sees your headstone the dog will know what to do.

MaiDee on June 18, 2006 at 9:17 AM

John Murtha is a coward, traitor, opportunist, blowhard, cretin, and craven politico. Murtha has played out the brownie points he earned for his alleged “heroic acts,” which I am beginning to equate with John Kerry’s “heroic acts,” which at least in his case, probably never existed.

John Murtha is a double agent. In wartime, we shoot double agents! In the military, the Fifth General Order is to “Quit my post only when properly relieved.” Murtha wants to quit by throwing down his weapon, turning tail, and running away. John Murtha made a conscious decision to become a bonafide, card-carrying member of the Lunatic Left, and the General Orders of that ilk are to defame your country, its troops, be a coward, and run.

Welcome to the Clan of the traitotous Lunatic Left, JOHN MURTHA!

ForYourEdification on June 18, 2006 at 9:32 AM

Murtha is an egocentric ass. When his long standing influence with the defense department and the administraion evaporated, his response was this child like pouting and attack behavior. He’s a blatant phony and has no concern for anyone or anything beyond himself.

rplat on June 18, 2006 at 9:41 AM

Murtha is a pompous assed senile old fool and does not belong in Congress. Pennsylvania voters might want to try some caffeine in the coffee.

Wade on June 18, 2006 at 9:52 AM

Instead of realizing that he might have pursued an unpopular cause, he turns around and offers himself up as “the majority leader in anticipation of a Democratic win”.
Then his presumed target, Nancy Pelosi, comes out with a “There, there, John, back to your corner” speech.
I think we’re looking at pre – Alzheimer’s here.
Or dementia praecox.

Frank_D on June 18, 2006 at 10:24 AM

Bin Hidin and al Qaeda laugh at Murtha (& thank him) as they plan another attack.

shooter on June 18, 2006 at 10:46 AM

The long range goal of the Dems in the constant harping of troop pullouts is this: Once the situation gets stable to the point where we can start making large reductions in troop levels instead of small reductions we are currently making every month they will jump and then brag to the American people that because of their constant badgering of the administration our boys are coming home. (I hate that expression, but it is the liberals way of making servicmembers appear to be children) They will attempt to undercut the actual situation on the ground which permitted the troop levels to be reduced and try to use this to propel more Dems into power. So if we start making significant reductions in troop levels mark my words Dems will be making speeches taking credit, completely ignoring the facts on the ground.

LakeRuins on June 18, 2006 at 11:10 AM

Murtha’s 12 district is on fire now and he will lose the seat. He is hoping to get more bucks from Soros so he is leaning to the Kennedy clan to qualify for it. His high visibility actions are for show. He wants to show his constituents that he is moving, breathing, and ranting because many back at home think he was brain dead already.

Just one Amnesty issue will sink him. Adding the insults to our troop…hm…he is a goner.

easy87us on June 18, 2006 at 11:25 AM

ForYourEndification: Beatifull words, music too my ears.

birdman on June 18, 2006 at 11:36 AM

More Bush Derangement Syndrome. Liberals are desperate to paint Bush as somehow markedly different than any other president in recent history. They’ll even use Reagan and Bush Sr. as examples of “Moderation” compared with Dubya – nevermind that they’re personal attacks on Dubya sound old, tired, and stupid because they were used so frequently in the past against the likes of Reagan and Bush Sr. (doh!)

venmax on June 18, 2006 at 12:57 PM

I watched Murtha on Meet The Press this morning and he convinced me – convinced me that he is a raving and ranting mental case. Liberal, phony Russert just sat back and let him spout his crap on and on and on. This guy must be certifiably crazy (as are several other members of the Senate and House) and should be removed. These representatives can be removed for unlawful or unethical conduct so why can’t they be removed for being crazy? Do we need a constitutional amendment to cover this? We’re not just talking about the right to dissent here, we’re talking about crazy. But here I am ranting and raving – maybe I’m just crazy!

OBX Pete on June 18, 2006 at 1:15 PM

For the life of me, I can never understand how a former marine could say such gutter-tripe like Murtha and actually believe in his rhetoric…his dishonor to his nation and that proud uniform he once wore no no bounds.

Me neither, until Penchant posted. Murtha’s simply not strong enough emotionally to take the burden of his own guilt:

[Perchant] If you were the main driving force to pullout of Somalia, as Murtha was, and then you hear bin Laden say that your actions were the impetus for 9/11, what would you do?

Denial would cause you to keep making the same mistake. To do otherwise would be to accept responibility. Murtha wants to believe he was right back then because a man would commit suicide if he allowed himself to believe for a moment that his actions were the impetus for 9/11.

It’s got to haunt him. To make matters worse, didn’t United 93 crash in his district? Those people died heroes for facing the very same evil that Murtha enabled by failing to face it.

My God. Forgive me for repeating the whole message. But a psychiatrist/columnist like Krauthammer (or Michelle?) needs to do a newspaper column on this –

IMHO Murtha’s not a traitor or double agent in the conventional sense of the word, or a “crazy leftie”, or simply out to score petty political points with the Kennedys. He’s got something much larger on the brain: the crushing, certain knowledge that he emboldened Al Qaeda all by himself, and brought on not only 9/11 but the Al Qaeda’s belief that a strategic campaign against the West would succeed. Such knowledge is enough to drive many otherwise reasonable people over the edge IMHO.

RD on June 18, 2006 at 1:39 PM

As to the Somalia pullout: if Murtha had recommended it on military grounds (good tactics, strategy?) he might have been able to preserve his ego by brushing off Bin Laden’s conclusion about weak U.S. resolve as “warped” and “incorrect” (“…heck, there’s no accounting for what other people will think…”)

But he can’t really do that here since his proposal was not a military success strategy but an obvious cave-in to be done for political expediency. (Thus, in a way, Bin Laden’s conclusion was the correct one, at least with respect to Murtha and his enablers in the intellidensia.)

RD on June 18, 2006 at 1:55 PM

Sorry Perchant about your name – won’t happen again :-)

RD on June 18, 2006 at 2:00 PM

Actually, I’m kinda glad Russert let Murtha ramble on.

When the opposition is busy hanging himself, don’t stop him. Be a gentleman and him more rope.

.

GT on June 18, 2006 at 2:25 PM

OK….lets try this again….

When the opposition is busy hanging himself, don’t stop him. Be a gentleman and hand him more rope.

(damned dyslexia)

GT on June 18, 2006 at 2:27 PM

Murtha’s unchallenged “80% of Iraqis want us out” is as cynical a piece of disinformation as its fallacious precursor, the “100,000 dead.” Back in March, I heard him claim that the war in Iraq had already gone on longer than WWI, WWII, Korea & VietNam. I assume his host didn’t know enough to offer up corrections. Murtha is befuddled and Murtha is dangerous. There’s a reason he’s become the emblematic Democrat.

If the Protest Babe rule holds true, Murtha may be in trouble.

JM Hanes on June 18, 2006 at 2:58 PM

Some important wisdom shared on another thread:

(1) If Reagan had wiped out the Palistinians and killed Arafat at the time they were driven out of their rat holes in Southern Lebanon and escaped to Beriut and had not protected them from the pursuing Israelies; and,

(2)Clinton had wiped out the Insurrectionists in Somalia; and,

(3) Bush number one had gone on into Baghdad and wiped out the snakes belonging to Saddam; then,

We wouldn’t be in Iraq, sacrificing our wonderful service people, saving the Iraquis’ asses from themselves today.

****

Seems to me that “cut ‘n run” hasn’t served us well in the past and therefore Murtha is an old fool.

More here:

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2006/06/murtha_jumps_th.html

dung.

Moose Dung on June 18, 2006 at 3:52 PM

Murtha “80% of Iraqis want us out”. Hey blowhard Murtha mabe,(I haven’t taken a poll) 98% of conservatives would like to see you leave this country. Like I think you should pick up your AK, and your RPG and join up with the ARMED FORCES OF IRAN. Oh I forgot, how silly of me, and take your collection of brown shirts with you. You will; Mr. BLOWHARD be welcome in Iran with open arms. What I just said was this “beond the pale”, did I “step over the line”. Hell no!!!

birdman on June 18, 2006 at 4:00 PM

Maybe al-Qaeda can give Mohammed Murtha a job after he gets his robust behind booted out of office.

darwin on June 18, 2006 at 4:34 PM

I think Murtha and Wesley Clark have tried to contact bin Laden to do a little PR work.

RolandHall on June 18, 2006 at 4:57 PM

This EX-Mareine is the most treassonous person to have EVER been sent to congress. My god, what is the fool trying to do, go down in history more reviled that Benedict Arnold?

BTW, see what you can do to help our jailed Marines
http://www.patriotdefensefund.com or buy Savage’s new book at http://www.michaelsavage.com and he’ll donate $5 for every book to them.

Rowane on June 18, 2006 at 5:05 PM

Rowane: Murtha “is the most treassonous person to have EVER been sent to congress. It seems to me that the libs are having a competion in Congress over who is the most treassonous. The competion is heavey.

birdman on June 18, 2006 at 6:42 PM

I’m beginning to wonder if Murtha is a tool of the Democrats’ leadership. By that I mean: He believes what he is saying, but the DNC and the Dems in congress are encouraging him to be out in front, not because they agree with him wholeheartedly, but because they want to use an extremist who can use his former-Marine status as a shield, not to gain support for his specific proposals, but, to make it easier to move the debate in that general direction.

The result: People think that, compared to crazy Murtha, Hillary looks positively hawkish. Murtha’s loud call for a bugout may, they hope, at least get the public thinking more in that direction even if not to Murtha’s extreme.

Hey, whaddaya want, these tin foil hats look pretty snazzy.

Tuning Spork on June 18, 2006 at 6:43 PM

I like Murtha. He clearly just wants “Peace in Our Time”. I don’t know history, but I know no evil ever came from someone willing to do anything to attain “Peace in Our Time”.

Sarcasm aside, I don’t think he’s deliberately treasonous, but he’s clearly inept with respect to foreign policy. Bin Laden has said that both the Beirut and Somalia retreats were motivations for his attacks.

Jason on June 18, 2006 at 6:59 PM

Quick note to Moose Dung: Although I agree with you, I disagree that we are sacrificing our servicemen and women. Sacrifice implies trading something of lesser value for something of greater value.

Fighting and dying to preserve your freedom isn’t a sacrifice. As a military member on my way to Iraq, I certainly hope not to die, but wouldn’t consider it a sacrifice.

I think trading momentary peace in exchange for my freedom would be a sacrifice.

Jason on June 18, 2006 at 7:03 PM

Jason- thank you & God bless you. You & your fellow servicemen & women are doing the right thing, don’t ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

Abigail Adams on June 18, 2006 at 7:27 PM

Jason,

thank you for your service to our country….you will be in our prayers….Our son Aaron just returned home this afternoon from Rimadi,Iraq……

robo on June 18, 2006 at 7:39 PM

I am now going to officially blame Murtha personally for the attacks on 9/11.

pullingmyhairout on June 18, 2006 at 8:17 PM

Thank you for your service Jason!

So very much appreciated.

techno_barbarian on June 18, 2006 at 8:25 PM

Jason says:

Bin Laden has said that both the Beirut and Somalia retreats were motivations for his attacks.

And that first one was Reagan, to his eternal shame. How he let the murder of 241 of our Marines go unanswered is beyond me. Carter may have been the first to flash our ass to these Islamist nutballs, but Reagan was the second and he was supposed to be the Anti-Carter.

Godspeed, Jason. May your country support you as well as you support it.

Pablo on June 18, 2006 at 9:03 PM

Jason: God Bless You and your fellow soldiers by your side, Sir! I thank you sincerely for your service to our continued FREEDOM, Sir.

And I must say what I hate to declare, here and now: Those that lose their lives in war DO SACRIFICE for their country, Sir! And your definition of “sacrifice” still holds true, Sir. You are a prime example, Sir.

You have made the conscious decision to volunteer and fight for your nation and FREEDOM, Sir. You have accepted the very real risk that you MIGHT lose your life in this most noble and valiant contribution, Sir. And you have decided that the fight for retention of FREEDOM is in fact WORTH the risk of possibly losing your life, Sir!

You personally have weighed the possibilities and have concluded that the direct personal risk you now go forth and undertake is of lesser value than that of FREEDOM, Sir.

You and your fellow soldiers command and deserve only the very highest praise from our nation, Sir. And while some scum like Murtha, the Dixie Chicks, Cindy Sheehan and the rest of the low life cowards somehow convince themselves not to be forever indebted to you, this is one damn proud American who will never be able to say THANK YOU enough, Sir!

May our faith and pride in your actions take the remaining hand that God does not hold.

horsepower_1st on June 18, 2006 at 10:01 PM

Reagan didn’t withdraw from Lebanon quietly.

In his first televised speech after the bombing he said something like (from memory): “But the terrorists wouldn’t have targeted our troops if the plan that put them there wasn’t working.” Reagan decided to shore up the mission, not undercut it. It was the Democrat congress that forced Reagan to withdraw the troops.

A foggy memory? Maybe. But I think it’ll stand up to scrutiny.

Tuning Spork on June 18, 2006 at 10:44 PM

Quote:

“To answer those who ask if we are serving any purpose in being there, let me answer a question with a question. Would the terrorists have launched their suicide attacks against the multinational force if it were not doing it’s job? The multinational force was attacked precisely because it is doing the job it was sent to do in Beirut. It is accomplishing it’s mission.”

Read the whole thing.

Tuning Spork on June 18, 2006 at 10:54 PM

All:
Thank-you, although I don’t think it’s a big deal. I think the normal standard is for Americans to love their country and want to protect it. I also think that desire is shared by most Americans, not just those of us in the military; regardless of what the media says. Don’t worry, we’re not so fragile some media headlines will convince us right is wrong.

Pablo, as for Reagan retreating after Beirut, I just don’t think the country understood the threat. I don’t think any of us did until 9/11, and amazingly many Democrats continue to be so blinded by ideology that they refuse to see the threat.
Regards,

Jason on June 18, 2006 at 10:55 PM

The truth about Reagan and Beirut can be found here in his own words…..

http://www.ronaldreagan.com/leb.html

Reagan’s decision was not a simple matter of “cut and run” as Murtha suggests we do in Iraq. Reagan’s decision was much deeper and complex.

.

GT on June 18, 2006 at 10:56 PM

Oh, and Jason….

Thank you.

.

GT on June 18, 2006 at 10:56 PM

Tuning/GT:
You’re link was an eye-opener. Amazing words, and highly prophetic. Reagan’s Presidency was while I was a very young, but he might as well have been speaking of Iraq.

He didn’t have the support to finish the job. Because of people like you, we’ll finish it now.

Jason on June 18, 2006 at 11:15 PM

As one member of Marg 2-83… in Beruit… I will tell you that we felt horribly betrayed… we knew who did it, and the politicians as usual back then whimped out. There were no bands playing, or speeches, when I came back into port after that one… and they DID NOT need the Marines who were supposed to relieve us to Invade Grenada… it was overkill pure and simple…

Grenada was nothing more than an attempt to try to be macho, and get a win for the country, while we cut and run…

Problem is that it came back to haunt us, and we are still fighting the same individuals we had in our crosshairs back then…

Romeo13 on June 18, 2006 at 11:17 PM

Jason:

You said: “Fighting and dying to preserve your freedom isn’t a sacrifice. As a military member on my way to Iraq, I certainly hope not to die, but wouldn’t consider it a sacrifice.

I think trading momentary peace in exchange for my freedom would be a sacrifice.”

While I appreciate your sentiments, today’s sacrifice of good men would be unnecessary had we done the job right the first time (ie., Beirut, Gulf I, and Somalia).

Murtha says to ignor the lessons of our experience. Quitting now would leave a mess that other guys, sooner or later, would have to go in and clean up. It costs less to do the job right the first time instead of kicking it down the road for the next guy.

dung.

PS: Murtha’s a Blue Falcon that’s f*k’n with the lives of a lot of decent men.

Moose Dung on June 18, 2006 at 11:30 PM

Uncle Jimbo addresses Murtha:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luoID2aQRp0

dung.

Moose Dung on June 18, 2006 at 11:42 PM

“The competion is heavey.

birdman on June 18, 2006 at 6:42 PM”

Very good point, birdman.

I used to tell the Brass in every report that there would come a time when Amrica would have to fight a “religious conflict” I was even fined and demoted for it once. Sometimes a Carreer Major doesn’t like to be told things he’d rather not hear.

Duty, Honor, Country
(in THAT order)
Rowane

Rowane on June 19, 2006 at 12:05 AM

Jason: Thank you for your service, take care of yourself, and take care of your friends. We are all proud of you here. When you are over in Iraq keep posting here, let us know how you and your friends are doing. Your a great American, you have courage.

birdman on June 19, 2006 at 12:09 AM

Actually it’s worse then that… Murtha(D) has repeatedly bragged that Clinton(D) pulled ot of Somalia based on Murtha’s own advice…

Today, in reaction to the House resolution supporting our troops efforts in Iraq, Murtha(D) and the Defeaticrats voted against:

“We’ve become the enemy. We’ve given a microphone to people like Zarqawi. We [war opponents] support the troops. It’s the policy we don’t support.” — Murtha(D)

Yes, after twin 500 lb suppositories silence Zarqawi, Murtha(D) reacts to the House Vote to support the war by standing at the microphone and speaking for… “people like Zarqawi”.

That isn’t, by any definition, supporting the troops.

DANEgerus on June 19, 2006 at 12:20 AM

Rowane: “There would come a time when America would have to fight a religious conflict”. Very insightful. Old ideas die hard. Remember Gen Billy Mitchell, he forsaw the domination of air power, he was courtmarchled. Afew years later a bomber was named after him. The old Admirals did not belive in the Aircraft carriers, instead relied on the battle wagons. It also took courage for you to buck the Brass. Your story is not mush differant then Gen Billy Mitchells. Your right on. “Duty Honor, Country (in THAT ORDER).

birdman on June 19, 2006 at 12:21 AM

Dangerus:”They say they support the troops, but not the war, no they don’t.” Ann C.

birdman on June 19, 2006 at 12:25 AM

Rowane and Birdman,

When we are fighting the Islamic terrorists, what comes to your mind?

I tell you what comes to my mind. It is all about a religion gone wild! In the middle age we have the Crusade ( the Christians went wild), now we have Islam!

I have to give credit to the Christian because they have made tremendous growth to become a civilized religion in past 500 years. But Islam have not made that transition amid huge progress was made in the field of science.

We are not fighting a religious war because we are not fighting under a banner of a religion. May be most of the troops are Christian but we must be careful not to have religion mixed up with our mission.

Our mission is to fight terrorism that happens to originate mostly from Islam.

Our country must learn from this era. Religion is not a good thing when people blindly obey the religious leader and put their faith above all else.

Christian right must bear this in mind.

Christians must accept the fact that majority of the world do not accept Jesus as God. If they force this issue then they are no better than Islam.

Conservatives in America must be opened to all sects, all races and all classes of people.

easy87us on June 19, 2006 at 12:44 AM

easy: The New Testiment was founded on the Old Testiment, the Old Testiment was founded on early Semitic Scripture that prefigured the Bible. The first laws were written down in Babalon I belive Thou shalt kill etc. Anchent Myhtologys, like the Jewish, Greek, Egiption, and Babalon Religon worshiped women. Liberty, Freedom, Venus, Artemus are Greek and Roman Goddesses. The Golden Rule you will find in many Religens.”Evil Eye of Hours Lady of Slauter mighty One, Do Unt Me As I Would have Done Unto Uthers.” The Bible says Yahweh’s, Alter was horned,and he was somtimes addressed as a phallic stone, “the Rock that begat thee,” as well the phallic “horn of my salvation, my high tower” (2 Samual 22:3. I have seen pictures of Anchent ruined Temples and I could pick out the Alter because it was horned. The Muslem Religon is not a true Religon. Woman are looked down upon, as slaves. In one book of the Quran calls the Jews & Christians the people of the book, in another book Jews are APES & Christians are PIGS. What is worshiped at Mecca are STONES that were worshiped by the Pagans before Mohammed took the City over. I think they were Meteorites. Anyone who does not belive in the “Book” is an “INFIDAL”, and must except Islam, if not you will be killed, or you will become a slave. When you have Slavery, when people can not think freely, when people are afraid to express themselves, the Culture does not advance. It’s 1:47am, and I am making a lot of mistakes, so I must end this post. Easy some other time we can post about this. I must have a clear head.

birdman on June 19, 2006 at 1:50 AM

easy: You are right we must not force our religon one anyone. Then we will be no better then the Islamo-Nazis.

birdman on June 19, 2006 at 2:06 AM

It is so stupid. When he wants to justify that the situation in Iraq is a disaster, Martha says: “There are 15,000 foreign fighters…”, but when he wants to justify the withdrawal he states: “There are about 1,000 foreign fighters…” All in the same interview for the same price, a bargain.

Ropera on June 19, 2006 at 5:23 AM

I find it amazing that the bizzaro world of the Dim/Libs is accepted by so many people

Somolia & Beirut are militay victories?
Losing an election is a win for them?

With that logic tax increases create more revenue, oops somemore bizzro logic.

Wil on June 19, 2006 at 6:39 AM

Reagan didn’t withdraw from Lebanon quietly.

I was in Germany at the time working AF Security, and we were activated for mobilization in response to the Beirut bombing. We spent about a week gearing up and getting ready to roll, probably to North Africa, where we would have supported air operations. We had a final meeting scheduled the night before we were supposed to fly out, and that was when we were told we weren’t going.

Next thing I knew, we’re invading Grenada, and packing out of Beirut. Later we come to find that we’re selling weapons to Iran, the sponsors of the Beirut murders.

That will never sit right with me. It’s little wonder they don’t respect us or fear us. We’ve just kept showing them our soft pink underbelly and letting them stab away at it. You’d expect that from Carter, but not from Reagan.

Pablo on June 19, 2006 at 6:42 AM

This “marine” contradicts himself so freakin’ often in ONE interview! Just a few I picked up on I don’t see others picking up on (or maybe I’m blind):

“1% of the American people… that’s who’s fighting this war” followed by “…Our inability to prevent another war because we don’t have the resources. A fifty billion backlog of equipment shortages…” Now does he expect that we wouldn’t expand the size of our military in the event of another war? What happened to the WWII mentality?

“They have a 1,000 foreign fighters. This is a civil war.”
0_o ?!?!?
Um… foreign fighters I thought would imply an invasion, not a civil war. Maybe I’m the crazy one.

I can’t believe he thinks we should be there for oil:
“All of us know how important it is internationally to win this war. We know how impor- We import 20 million barrels of oil a day”. So this really is a war for oil for him.

I also think measuring victory by electric, gas and water production is funny.

“We can’t win this militarily” are words that on real marine would ever utter. I know. And if he was a Lcpl under me, I’d have him cleaning toilets till we won this war.

Wish I had more time, but his 20+ min interview is too full of bizarre statements and contradiction. I really need to get back to work.

tadams1138 on June 19, 2006 at 9:13 AM

Everytime Murtha Opens his mouth it costs American and Iraqi Lives. He has embolden the Enemy, and the more he talks, the less likely the insurgents will get fed up with their own lost cause and quit. They see hope with every sylable this guy utters from his sewer.

I would love to see General Washington, Patton, MacArthur address the cowards of the United Staes like this idiot. Add to that..Kerry, kennedy, Kucinich too.

If the founding Fathers coule see what America is becoming, where cowardice, treason, and cheering for the enemy (plus the murder of millions of babies, suppression of Christianity) would be allowed and praised…they would have said “Screw it”…

havok on June 19, 2006 at 9:25 AM

Thank you for your inestimable service, Jason, and God bless you. My father, who lies buried in Arlington National Cemetery, never thought of his commitment to protect and defend his country as a sacrifice. Like you, he considered it an honor. Pity, Murtha doesn’t have the same mindset.

Aunt B on June 19, 2006 at 11:16 AM

Murtha’s 80% talking point is taken way out of context. Here’s a rundown from http://mediamatters.org/items/200511230002 where this 80% sledgehammer came from.

Though Murtha’s resolution does not indicate the source of the cited poll numbers, it appears that the data originated from a private poll of Iraqi opinion commissioned by Great Britain’s Ministry of Defense (MOD) in August. As an October 23 article in the British newspaper The Sunday Telegraph noted, the poll found, among other things, that “[f]orty-five per cent of Iraqis believe attacks against British and American troops are justified” and that “82 per cent are ‘strongly opposed’ to the presence of coalition troops.” While this poll apparently did not specifically ask respondents to indicate support for immediate U.S. troop withdrawal, earlier polls have. A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll (subscription required) interviewing 3,444 Iraqis in the spring of 2004 found that 57 percent of Iraqis thought “the U.S. and British forces ought to leave in the next few months,” with 71 percent of Iraqis viewing the U.S. military “mostly as occupiers.” As The Washington Post reported on May 13, another poll, which was commissioned by the U.S.-led coalition and also conducted during spring 2004, indicated that “[f]our out of five Iraqis report holding a negative view of the U.S. occupation authority and of coalition forces” and that “82 percent said they disapprove of the U.S. and allied militaries in Iraq.” In January 2005, Zogby International released the results of its Iraqi public opinion poll, which was conducted in conjunction with Abu Dhabi Television. It also found that, of the 805 Iraqis interviewed, “[m]ajorities of both Sunni Arabs (82%) and Shiites (69%) … favor U.S. forces withdrawing either immediately or after an elected government is in place”; 53 percent supported attacks on coalition troops; and only the Iraqi Kurds favored the “continued U.S. presence.”

And of course – it’s a poll, which means it’s skewed, reflective of the opinion of the pollster moreso than those polled. As Stalin said, it’s not the voters that matter, it’s the person who counts the votes. Apply it to these polls – Murtha’s death grip on a single poll number on a question that was not asked is beyond comprehension. But then again, when have liberals been concerned with facts…

SOI on June 19, 2006 at 12:18 PM

After 38 years in the Marine Corps Murtha was only able to get to the rank of Colonel. This despite the fact that he was a congressman!!! This explains his great animosity for the Marines. Passed over for promotion how many times? Should have made General that time or been pushed out.

wcarr on June 19, 2006 at 12:29 PM

“When does it become legitimate to question not only Rep. Murtha’s patriotism, but his loyalty and even his sanity?”-Bryan

I question all three everytime he opens his mouth. Murtha must be kept in some kind of reasonable context. He was a war hero, NOW he is a politician using his war hero status to further his political career. Didn’t he just throw his hat into the ring for a leadership position in his party? One that he was asked to put on hold? And wcarr, who wrote above, is right of course; there is obvious animosity towards the Marines and the military in general from this guy.

Our military exists to protect this country and complete the missions given to them by their civilian leaders. Their mission, their purpose, their existence as soldiers, are one and the same. How can anyone possibly support our troops and not support their missions around the world? That is a rhetorical question here at HotAir, but for Murtha, it is one that should be answered and answered honestly; if that is a value he still holds.

Cary on June 19, 2006 at 1:44 PM

It’s sad. Murtha has degenerated into a characature of himself. He’s a military supporter HAS BEEN.

Put him in the wax museum – right next to Cindy.

dman on June 19, 2006 at 1:58 PM

I do hope and pray that the voters in his district have the common sence to get rid of the bastard. I think theres going to be some big suprizes come election night in November. If the Dimms lose in November WHOW; they will get really funny. I love it.

birdman on June 19, 2006 at 2:10 PM

I don’t have a lot of money, but I just went and donated 25$ to his opponent in November’s election, Diana Irey.

https://www.donationreport.com/init/controller/ProcessEntryCmd?key=L1M1P2P9O3

Even if she doesn’t win, it will help drain Murtha’s funds.

Jason on June 19, 2006 at 7:14 PM

Anybody still want to seriously argue that Ann Coulter’s “fragging” comment was all that wrong …?

Professor Blather on June 20, 2006 at 7:17 AM

Jason – you’re a good man. I live in Pennsylvania, but on the opposite side of the state… Therefore I can’t vote against him.

To tell you the truth, I never even heard of him until he started making the “pull out before we win” statements, and then he started calling Iraq a quagmire constantly comparing it to Vietnam and finally he stabbed our troops in the back by condemning them and smearing the Marines.

HE MUST BE STOPPED.

EVERY PENNY SENT TO DEFEAT HIM IS MONEY WELL SPENT!

Richard Davis on June 20, 2006 at 7:48 AM

My brother served in the Corps 67-69 and came home with 3 purple hearts, and two bronze stars with oak leaf cluster. I served in the Army 69-71 and did not get the wounds fortunately. I do not think this Murtha character is anymore a HERO than Kerry (as the swiftboaters pointed out).

gary on June 20, 2006 at 7:05 PM