The only ones that the illegal alien benefits is the illegal alien, Mexico, the “rich” (those in the United States that hire and benefit from the illegal alien) with Republican support (Bush clan, RINO?), and the Democrats who have visions of increased power. The rest of us suffer, as does the nation and it’s intersts.

I attended a Republican ‘meet the candidates’ picnic Saturday in the hills of eastern Tennessee. Illegal immigration was RED HOT for all of the state and national candidates. The plot thickens …

The social security number check is available to employers with a phone call. Dunkin Donuts is using that right now. It doesnt catch everyone, but it catches duplicate SSNs, and SSN’s of the dead or disabled. It also catches those over the age of 106 or under the age of 5 who seem to be applying for a job. I know about this from persons who program such info for the government. They have to ‘smooth’ their data to eliminate the large numbers of infants and ancients strangely in the work force.

There is no excuse not to do the SSN check now, today. The only reason to avoid it is the intention to hire illegals. An employer could still hire someone with a duplicate or compromised SSN conditionally. If they check out, we can go arrest and deport the others using that number.
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regarding
” It’s more than just illegals using the ER’s, it’s the uninsured Americans as well…
Big cities would be much better off financially if they opened up more health clinics to serve the non-emergency cases and to give vaccinations to Americans without health insurance”
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my reply:
There is a health clinic for illegals, the ER. They get that even if cities create national health clinics. And who sorts the line at the public clinic? Everyone in Mexico will be in that line.

On the other hand, if you set up a free low income public clinic system that required future patients to enroll and be certified for eligibility in advance by requiring fingerprints, DNA samples, and thorough citizenship checks starting with the instant SSN verification by phone, you could have a mini Blue Cross for poor Americans only.

They could also put a lien on any and all assets and bank accounts of applicants, to be frozen if they lie about citizenship on their application to the free clinic.

Yep, I like that. The honest poor citizen would get his charity clinic. Of course, the illegals will keep on using the ER. Hey, they have CAT scans and all the high tech tests there, why go to el cheapo clinic? That would be for citizens!

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You might want to visit wehirealiens.com – list of companies that they believe use illegal aliens and discourse on their proof. Also they have some companies listed that they believe have a firm policy of not hiring illegal aliens.

Other “prospects” for illegal alien commercial activity (some may seem painfully obvious) people selling everything from Mexican Food (Tamales and such), fruits, roses, holiday items in the parking lots (such as Walmart or the Grocery store) or on the side of the road. Day labor center gathering areas that have predominatly foreign nationals who speak limited or no English I believe also have a high probability of illegal alien commercial activity.

You do have a good point “pullingmyhairout” – if we who wish to protest the presence of the illegal alien and wish to boycott we need more information on who the employers, companies, organizations are that hire them. The web site wehirealiens.com is a start but this discourse has identified a clear need for identification of employers that hire illegal aliens.

Those who hire illegal aliens for childcare (nannys, housekeeper) to improve their lifestyle while burdening us with costs such as health care, social security, no taxes, etc. can be reported but I am not sure of the mechanism. the wehirealiens.com has a link. Social pressure may be just as effective but most of those people would not respond to any pressure except hitting them where their values really lie – in their pocketbook. They have to pay taxes and social security contribution and all of a sudden things change.

I do not believe that any business should be subject to boycott because of race, religion, or national origin. Their lack of support for the United States, the laws we live by, is the issue that makes them deserve this attention. How to identify these businesses, to determine who to deliberately direct our commerce to in a reasonable fashion is an issue that perhaps Michelle would take up in a vent.

“Money to Provide Free College Tuition for all Legal Residents Spent on Illegals’ Healthcare!”

Bush was making friend with Clintons.

Specter and McCain thought that they were running GOP….

Now you have seen the Devil’s child, the Amnesty Bill.

I still have no idea who talked Bush into taking the Demo’s idea and turned it into the biggest GOP nightmare?

We all see it coming. I am glad Tancredo et al took up the last line of defense and blocked the bill. Becasue Specter really wants it to pass. He worked for the Democrats, if you don’t know.

Now we finally know that Democrats really do have an extended branch inside of GOP.

And we know where Mr. Powell stands.

One more warning. If you are for a new conservative party, I believe this idea is the latest Demos ploy to destroy the GOP. Think hard before you jump onto their bandwagon.

Big cities would be much better off financially if they opened up more health clinics to serve the non-emergency cases and to give vaccinations to Americans without health insurance.

just my two cents…

dude, i’m on your side. i’m just saying that it’s REALLY hard to figure out who’s illegal down here.

Romeo13, I think I answered your question in an earlier post. here it is:
I said: It is a very difficult problem and one that I don’t have an answer to, only that if it were SOMEONE IN MY FAMILY who died while waiting for a nurse or hospital administrator to verify my legal status before administering care, there’d be hell to pay.

There. I’d be plenty ticked off too. And, FYI, I’ve waited at Texas Children’s with a child with a broken arm for many hours while children with chicken pox went ahead of us. They use the ER as a clinic – this is more of a lack of health care coverage issue.

The only thing I’m saying is that enforcement is much more difficult than it appears, especially during the chaos of an emergency situation. Visiting the ER is already chaotic as it is. I can’t imagine what the wait would be if they had to verify everyone’s legal status first. so, ya’ll don’t get mad at me this morning. i’m just being practical.

Mike O on June 18, 2006 at 5:00 PM
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I was in the same field. Dried up and the jobs left are at a fraction of salary.

I can give you a list of dead fields here in SE Michigan. One relative working as a designer at the big three was pinked when Daimler bought Chrysler. He was able to join a contracting group. He is now in the same desk, with the same phone number as a contractor at (estimated by me) 30 per cent less). Other designers I know said projects started coming back from Asia, with tweeks only to be applied by US designers. Job market dead.

We are very familiar with the special visas for tech. Mehlman, leader of the RNC, in his radio interview at instapundit, mentioned ‘tech’ and ‘carpentry’ as two jobs americans ‘don’t want’. The truth is, the special visa guys are a lot more malleable, controllable, than ornery Americans and sought at the big three. The bosses play games to qualify these guys for visas.

Another relative had a remodeling business. Historic homes, additions. Now driving a school bus. But there is lots of building going on, by illegal subcontractors. You can’t out bid someone paying under counter. No workman’s comp there.

Michigan is the only state that taxes payroll. The more employees you have, the higher the state tax. Michigan also taxes 95 percent of health benefit costs payed by employers. So under the table employers clean up.

I want to state – Americans are not demanding greedy, excessive wages. They who live above the table have to earn more to meet the legal requirements of this society. Auto insurance, homeowners insurance, property tax, health insurance costs. They can’t leave the kids home with a 15 year old sibling babysitter. It is illegal here. If something happens and the state finds out, you lose your kids. You have to have an adult babysitter. You can’t just run a daycare. You have to meet myriad legal requirements, toilet facilities, room sizes. Someone I know got in trouble because they had their teen aged kid help out in a home child care by changing a baby’s diaper. Illegal!

It wasn’t the marches that set it all off. It was the Immigration Bill coming out of nowhere with the slap in the face that somehow we needed this bill, and needed it fast. I have seen used car salesmen who wished they could fast talk that fast.

I cannot recall ever being so insulted, shocked and outraged I did watching the shell game being played out on me, with the jobs we will-do/won’t-do spinning, the good people/ bad american worker comparisons, and the we pass it if we have to break your bones to get it threats emanating from the Executive office, and the DINO RINOs of the two partys

The marches were a godsend though, because they revealed the underside of the unassimilated, the rejection of America the nation, with the claim of right of ownership to america, the continent.

At the moment of truth, faced with the blatant in your face rejection of America the Nation by the demonstrators, the supporters of the Immigration Bill, led by the Bush White House, chose sides against the American people, and with the protestors.

That is why I, a Reagan conservative, do not feel bad when I hear people criticize the White House stand on illegals because the White House desrves our contempt, and our fear. They do not stand with blue collar america, they stand with the illegals and Vincente Fox. The contempt for those who block their path is obvious. To me, it is an act of war on America the Nation. what else do you call interfering with the Border Patrol so they cannot stop an invasion?

As for medical care. Three years ago I had a serious accident, The ER doctor charged $150 for service only. Last year I had two major ER admissions. In both cases, the ER doctors charged $685 each to look at me, ask a few questions, and refer or admit me. This is not a litigation fee. This is a way to recoup from the non-payers. And when my insurance got screwed up, I was hit with collection. Collection works on legals, not illegals. Now, they can take your house for medical. So when those ‘good people’ take their many children to ER for sore throats, their $150 charge becomes my $685 charge, and I will pay up or the hospital takes my house.

I am finished with the whole shell game. I want my country back. I want the illegals out. I want every G-D- one of those blinking politicians who intentionally created this black mail situation hung out to dry.

I love America. I love Americans. You can’t take my country. Remember the Alamo!

A friend of mine from Houston said, “We’re carrying more brown loafers than Discount Shoe Warehouse.”

lol.

How would you feel about loosing your loved one because they were so far down the waiting list, due to illegal aliens using emergency services as normal care, that they died waiting for the services you could pay for?

About 4 years ago, in california, in the town I grew up in, I waited for 5 hours to get my broken arm seen too in an emergency room… as a Retired Vet… while folks with coughs, and who knows what, were seen before me… and most of those were of an “ethnic” persusion….

Two emergency rooms in my county in California have had to close their doors… because of the Illegals not paying…

How would you feel if your loved one died, because they couldn’t get care… because of someone who shouldn’t have been there in the first place?

Employment figures are not the only consideration – if the laws were enforced the lowest paid Americans and legal residents would see their wages and benefits rise without government assistance. Illegal aliens not only take jobs but also depress the wages of the Americans that need more income the most. It would also be more profitable to work than recieve government aid or welfare.

Mike O: I am not against LEGAL immigration and believe that it is in our best interest. Legal immigration provides control over the issues I have mentioned, including disease and crime. Illegal aliens are not screened and are a serious risk in so many ways – including members of dangerous gangs and those with communicable diseases that have not been treated. No wonder our health insurance is b ecoming so unaffordable when we are treating half of Mexico for free. (TB anyone?)

Pullingmyhairout: Illegal aliens come in all sizes, shapes, races and countries. It happens that at the moment over 95% come from Mexico. I have objection with illegal aliens no matter where they come from.

Being a citizen of the United States is about loyalty, about values, and has nothing to do with race, creed, national origin, or religion.

I do not boycott Hispanic business, I boycott only those business that hire illegal aliens, and products made in Mexico. Mexico, in my opinion, is a foreign power with territorial aspirations on our southwestern states. Mexico, in my opinion, is only interested in positive US relations to facilitate unrestricted currency payments from the US to Mexican nationals, and any other economic benefit they can derive in any way possible. I believe Mexico is not a friend but a weak enemy that would take by force large parts of United States territory if they had the means.

I boycott any business that employs illegal aliens from any country.

Employer hires legal American worker, pays him $100, government gets $28 in taxes.

Employer switches to hiring illegals under the table, pays him the same lowered wage of $100, government gets $0, Worker sends $28 dollars to relatives in home country.

Who’s economy benefits?
* Worker? No he’s unemployed now.
* Government? No, the tax base is now in foreign lands through remittances.
* Corrupt businesses? Yes, they get all the benefit and pass along nothing.

So when someone says the “economy” needs illegals, remember just who they are supporting: modern day slave traders.

I have to agree. I think that if the unemployment rate weren’t so low, Congress and the Bush Administration would be more inclined to begin hunting down and booting the illegals out because of the additional public pressure. I seriously doubt either Branch will do much about the border with Mexico (or Canada) until some enterprising terrorist comes through the border and succeeds in an attack.

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But why isn’t there so much rage going on about that? Because we haven’t had Indians marching in our streets, waving Indian flags, demanding the government deal with them in Hindi.

Come on, people; ‘fess up. It was the marches that set all of this off. Admit it and we can move on to rationally trying to address the legitimate problems here.

Here’s one of the problems; the people who make decisions in this country- including the lawmakers- are quite accustomed to illegals working for them and see no problem. Wish all you want about passing laws to go after the ‘nanny’ economy; it’s ain’t gonna happen, any more than lawyers are going to vote to set their pay based on actual work done, as opposed to a percentage. Both are great ideas, but won’t be enacted without major legislative turnover (including a lot of otherwise conservative officials).

as for what to call a politician who believes in amnesty – let’s call them what they are – global panderers who care more about political correctness than what is right and correct.

BTW, it looks like the immigration bill is dead. which is fine with me. the senate version was a disaster.

For of those who do care about he United States, who do care about the nation and it’s future, much public support for the illegal alien is a very very very frustrating experience. It is through websites such as “Hot Air” that we can at least vent and perhaps increase grassroot support for change.

You are also correct that perhaps the term “republican support” is not correct when referring to the issue of illegal aliens. The House Republicans are firmly against illegal immigration and I am very satisfied with many of their postions and clear thinking. Bush, however, is whom I was thinking of and he really does seem to be promoting wealthy interests at the expense of the rest of us – and this includes his support for illegal aliens and amnesty.

I ask then, “pullingmyahirout” (very appropriate name in this discussion by the way), what is a good term to use for supporters of illegal migration and amnesty – such as Bush? (RINO perhaps?)

One thing I do is boycott as much as possible any firm, product, service or person that uses the illegal alien. I also make a deliberate effort to not buy any product labeled from Mexico. I pay attention to the issue, but as a law abiding citizen that respects the laws of the United States, it seems that ther is not much else one can do beyond contact with elected representatives and voting for change.

Solution: Have jail terms and severe financial fines for anyone, including contractors, especially contractors, that use illegal aliens for labor. If they want to bid on a job use workers that are here legally and pay their taxes, and comply with laws that include workman’s compensation insurance and contribution to social security witholding.

I totally agree with your solution, however – I don’t agree with your use of the word “rich with republican support.” It is true that by hiring illegals, one is increasing one’s own wealth, if only by possibly not paying enough taxes and/or increasing profit margin, but weather that is with “republican support” i’d contest that. I think it is with the general public’s complacency that illegals are here breaking the law (democrats and republicans alike). We just don’t give a shit enough to REALLY bite the bullet and do what’s necessary to stop the flow and hiring of illegal aliens. we like our cheap prices, period. sorry for the bluntness, but it’s true.

Some of those are construction contractors that use illegal alien to increase profit and increase the amount of jobs they accept. Since NOW AND WHEN THEY STARTED are drywall, roofers and painters “rich” by those terms – sacrificing the interests of the nation to increase their profit.

Of course some of these people are Democrats, many of them are, but the issue still is the same – there are those, defined in this context as “rich”, that increase their income by violating the laws of the United States and to the deteriment of the American ciitizen.

Solution: Have jail terms and severe financial fines for anyone, including contractors, especially contractors, that use illegal aliens for labor. If they want to bid on a job use workers that are here legally and pay their taxes, and comply with laws that include workman’s compensation insurance and contribution to social security witholding.

Politicians are not the issue here, illegal aliens are.