Coultermania! Is Ann anti-Semitic?
posted at 11:31 am on June 16, 2006 by Allahpundit
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Doubtful. But it’s Friday, baby, so anything goes!
For the record, I think Patterico has a fair point. Read the quote and make up your own mind; in the context provided, her use of “Jewish” does sound gratuitous and pejorative.
Elsewhere, Mike Krempasky calls AC a “detestable harpy” for what she said to John Hawkins about fragging Murtha. And Michael Smerconish and Debbie Schlussel weigh in on Scarborough Country about the extent to which Coulter hurts the cause.
Update: Some of our readers insist that the sentence in “Godless” that follows the one quoted by Patterico disproves his theory. Here’s the whole passage:
Liberals use the word science exactly as they use the word constitutional.
Both words are nothing more or less than a general statement of liberal approval, having nothing to do with either science or the Constitution. (Thus, for example, the following sentence makes sense to liberals: President Clinton saved the Constitution by repeatedly ejaculating on a fat Jewish girl in the Oval Office.) The core of the Judeo-Christian tradition says that we are utterly and distinctly apart from other species.
Because she respects the Judeo-Christian tradition, the theory goes, she can’t have anything against Jews. As I said above: I don’t think she has anything against Jews, but I also think that’s an exceptionally weak argument in light of, say, the last thousand years of European history.
Other commenters think it’s preposterous that describing someone’s ethnicity accurately could constitute racism. So I’ll repeat my response to them below: Imagine some lefty blogger wrote, “Right-wing bloggers disgust me, especially that annoying filipina Michelle Malkin.” No problem there? Spidey sense not tingling at all?
Update: Reader David M. e-mails to say that someone’s defaced AC’s Amazon page.
Update: Another reader points out that Coulter has used rhetoric like this before. From her column about Jeff Gannon:
Press passes can’t be that hard to come by if the White House allows that old Arab Helen Thomas to sit within yards of the president.
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They are giving Ann the George Bush Treament. They are ignoring Bush now!
May be Bush should thank Ann for replacing him as liberal target no.1!
easy87us on June 16, 2006 at 11:45 AM
I have to say…Ann,you are a genious.
I used to just like you because of the twinkles in your eyes when you know you got them on the rope.
Now I kind of fear you. This fear comes with the respect that you know what you are doing.
You are a mean liberal crushing machine…LOL
easy87us on June 16, 2006 at 11:48 AM
Ann the Impaler:1
Weenie Cons: 0
dhimwit on June 16, 2006 at 11:53 AM
Here’s what I find especially interesting about that passage: why did Coulter find it necessary to include the word “Jewish” in that last sentence?
This is just flippin retarded. I was trying to describe the Television show “Who’s line is it anyway” to my black friend yesterday, and I described Ryan Stiles and Colin Mochrie as “the two white guys”.
Now why did I find it necessary to include the word “White” in that description!? Beats the hell out of me. It was just the first word that came to mind.
I must be subconsciously bigoted!
venmax on June 16, 2006 at 11:58 AM
Oh btw… more off topic link dumping. The new Borat movie trailer is online @ this fan site. It’s flippin’ hilarious. Take a gander at it before they pull it down again…
http://www.boyakasha.co.uk/media/borat_trailer.wmv
venmax on June 16, 2006 at 12:00 PM
“For the record, I think Patterico has a fair point.”
For the record, Allahpundit, I think you’re pathetic. I read the first chapter of Ann’s book at townhall.org and I didn’t even think twice about her describing Lewinsky as Jewish. It was merely a description! Are you seriously so jealous of Ann Coulter that you’re falling into liberal hysteria looking for some secret code that proves Ann is the antichrist? Would you rather Ann follow the liberal P.C. rules and not describe people for what they are? Monica Lewinsky is Jewish. So what? Is being a Jew such a bad thing that someone would be embarassed or angry to be described as such?
Maybe we should reconsider who is being anti-Semitic here.
tiekitwist on June 16, 2006 at 12:01 PM
I’m reminded of a comment Jack Bauer made in season 2 of ‘24′ (paraphrasing):
“You guys want us to fight these wars but you don’t want us to get our hands dirty.”
Politics is war by other means, it’s not high school debate class (a point which seems to escape many conservatives). Sometimes we have to get our hands dirty, and thank God for someone like Ann who is willing to do so. Her comments about the Jersey Girls did more to expose and undermine the liberal’s infallible-victim tactic than all the more ‘civilized’ responses thereto put together.
It’s fine to caution conservatives against overdoing or relying on such a thing alone when we have ideas to argue (whereas the liberals don’t). Nevertheless, there is a time when you need to drop some bombs and fight a little dirty. Go Ann.
P.S. and who the hell is Deb Schlussel to talk about hurting the cause after her lame-ass legal threatening of Darth Misha over at Anti-Idiotarion Rotweiler? I think she did the same to other blogs as well. Shut up Deb, we’re not listening.
thirteen28 on June 16, 2006 at 12:06 PM
This is insanely asinine
What the heck? You call a Jew a Jew and your anti-semetic? If someone described me as a Jewish guy, why the heck would I be offended? I AM JEWISH! Its not like saying that would cause me to hiss or want to call the ACLU
Defector01 on June 16, 2006 at 12:06 PM
Allah is:
A. Head over heels in love with Ann
B. Pathetically jealous of Ann
I think B.
wytammic on June 16, 2006 at 12:11 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH !!!!!
Ahh ! I feel better now.
So now all christians should be offended when others describe them as christians. Even more so if they’re fat chrsitians. And those who describe christians as christians should be chastised and labeled as anti-christian.
darwin on June 16, 2006 at 12:16 PM
WHOAH! WHOAH! WHOAH!
Out of context alert!
I just read that first chapter @ townhall too. That line about “Fat Jewish Girl” is immediately followed by this sentence…
The core of the Judeo-Christian tradition says that we are utterly and distinctly apart from other species.
It’s pretty clear that Ann is giving props to the Jewish tradition, not tearing it down. In fact I’d say that original “Offending” line is meant to illustrate that liberals have just as much contempt for the Jewish tradition as they do the Christian.
Here’s a link to that Chapter @ Townhall
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/anncoulter/2006/06/06/199800.html
venmax on June 16, 2006 at 12:23 PM
C’mon folks, read the next line. Dont start ’selective cut and paste’ like the other side. The next line is:
“The core of the Judeo-Christian tradition says that we are utterly and distinctly apart from other species. We have dominion over the plants and the animals on Earth. God gave it to us, it’s ours—as stated succinctly in the book of Genesis.”
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I believe she used it as inclusive of Judeo-Christian traditions, NOT derogatory or anti-semitic. Thats how I read it. Lets see what AC has to say before we put her in with the lions.
shooter on June 16, 2006 at 12:24 PM
I said I don’t think she’s anti-Semitic, did I not? Don’t get mad at me because, unlike you folks, I’m not willing to swallow every verbal turd she pinches off.
Let’s try a thought experiment. Imagine some lefty blogger wrote something like this: “Right-wing bloggers disgust me, especially that annoying filipina Michelle Malkin.” Nothing about that would bother you? Nothing glaringly gratuitous there?
Allahpundit on June 16, 2006 at 12:25 PM
I am head over heels in love with Ann. “The extent to which Coulter hurts are cause.” Ann leads are cause, Smerconish is a wanna-be. Hey Michael you are out of tuch with reality! Smerconish is not a leader, he is a follower. Smerconish I have a bad feeling about. I won’t listen to his show.
birdman on June 16, 2006 at 12:25 PM
venmax on June 16, 2006 at 12:23 PM
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OK , so I’m not alone here.
shooter on June 16, 2006 at 12:25 PM
Its very simple… she had to use the term Jewish to differentiate her from all the OTHER fat women that Bill was playing with in the oval office…
Romeo13 on June 16, 2006 at 12:27 PM
Allah: What “verbal turds” are you talking about?
birdman on June 16, 2006 at 12:29 PM
It was not you AP, I did read the above “Doubtful. But it’s Friday, baby, so anything goes!”
I was referring to the commenters commenting on the comments.
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And yes, “annoying filipina Michelle Malkin” would bother me. They didnt even capitalize ‘filipina’ either!!!
……..smiley emoticon here……
shooter on June 16, 2006 at 12:30 PM
Hey now… Filipina sounds cute! :-D
Much cuter than Jewish… :-P
venmax on June 16, 2006 at 12:32 PM
Seriously though, we’re either gonna be Carlos Mencia here or John McCain.
I vote for JUDGE CARLOS!!!
venmax on June 16, 2006 at 12:34 PM
Allahpundit, we’re not mad at you because you take Ann’s words with a grain of salt. We’re mad at you because you keep harping on the issue when pretty much NONE of your readers actually agree with you. We’re mad at you because you try so hard to avoid “swallowing every verbal turd she pinches off” that you swallow every libtard attack on her hook line and sinker. It’s stupid. You’re smarter than that. THINK through what they are saying, THEN agree or disagree. You’ve gotta stop just agreeing with them because you don’t like Ann.
As for the rest, if somebody called Michelle a “chink” that would be offensive — especially since she’s not chinese. But if somebody described me as a Christian I would not mind. Even if somebody mistook me for a Jew I probably wouldn’t care, some of my ancestors were. If somebody called me fat I’d have to ruefully admit they were right. If somebody called me an anglo-saxon male or a “big guy” or a “computer geek” or whatever… THEY’D BE RIGHT. SO WHO GIVES A FLYING FLIP!?!?!
Monica Lewinski is a Jew. Michelle is a filipina. BOO FREAKIN HOO. (Thank you Michelle… I love that line too much!)
RH
RobertHuntingdon on June 16, 2006 at 12:39 PM
“especially that annoying filipina Michelle Malkin.”
I don’t see any problem with that. Is she not Filipina? If the wording had been “that annoying slant eyed whore bitch Malkin” then yes I would be bothered. Not everyone has to see it your way.
darwin on June 16, 2006 at 12:50 PM
Oh Glorious MoonGod, you gotta stop with the funny feeling in your pants for Coulter. Its making you cranky.
Iblis on June 16, 2006 at 12:52 PM
“Fat jewish girl” …that’s a New York expression. Ann is from NY, right? I don’t think Ann was being insulting at all. “Fat jewish girl” is almost one word now in NY. I’m not from NY myself but I am a big fat “gumba” from LA.
Love ya, Ann. Keep up the great work!!
budugirl on June 16, 2006 at 12:54 PM
“Chink” is Definitely not as cute as “Fillipina”!
venmax on June 16, 2006 at 12:54 PM
Personally when I read that passage I analyzed it the same way but came to a different conclusion on the Jewish Anti-Semitic front. On page 3 Ann has an asterisk that states “Throughout this book, I often refer to Christians and Christianity because I am a Christian and I have a fairly good idea of what they believe, but the term is intended to include anyone who subscribes to the Bible of the God of Abraham, including Jews and others.” This statement blew me away and I was wondering if Anti-Semitism would ever come up.
Personally I believe that Ann has a connection to Moral adherents specifically those that attempt to apply the Golden Rule. Note that the Muslims also have roots in the God of Abraham if they were ever able to get their collective heads out of their Wahabbist Asses.
I Believe that the AC Statement “President Clinton saved the Constitution by repeatedly ejaculating on a fat Jewish girl in the Oval Office.” was a condemnation of Mr. Clinton’s possible low opinion of the Constitution, the Oval Office, and fat Jewish girls. Referring to all of those things as objects that he would see fit to collect his ejaculate. Stating this as a speculation open for debate should someone choose.
My Question was “Is Ann really stating President Clinton is so Godless that he would ejaculate on all that was representative of God or Moral behavior?”
All right I might have a crush on Ann.
Priest on June 16, 2006 at 1:00 PM
I caught Ann on Hannity last night and they had on a “Democractic strategist”, an oxymoron if you ask me, but anyway the woman said she had not read Ann’s book beyond what has been posted on the web because she didn’t want Ann getting any money from her. Later in response to a question about Dems setting up political human shields to hide behind she mentioned some comments in the book regarding Episcopalians. Ann immediately jumped on her pointing out that for somebody that hadn’t read the book she apparentely had turned a few pages somewhere since that portion of the book had not been published on the web.
Oh and BTW her response to Ann’s book being #1 was the real number we need to be looking at is the 2500 dead from Iraq. Even my wife who normally doesn’t get that involved looked at me and wondered where that answer came from.
LakeRuins on June 16, 2006 at 1:01 PM
I hear that they’re going to replace Letterman with a direct reading of the comments here. Heh. Should be an improvement.
Mike H. on June 16, 2006 at 1:01 PM
It was important to set some “criteria to be met” for the point to be made humorously. Had it been Eleanor Mondale instead of Monica Lewinski, the quip could have been “…on a statuesque Nordic girl in the Oval Office.” and it would have been as funny. If it was written simply as “…on a girl in the Oval Office”, it wouldn’t have been funny and would have been lazy writing.
Perchant on June 16, 2006 at 1:11 PM
if Malkin was called a conservative filipina woman, is it that bad? This is truly being blown completely out of proportion.
Defector01 on June 16, 2006 at 1:16 PM
Why do you give any credence to this political correctness BS is beyond me.
Nothing wrong with Filipina, Jewish or German for that matter, only narrow minded views of people that know better. Please quit playing their game.
Is Ann always right? Most likely not; but then neither is Michelle, Allah or myself for that matter. Of course we are all right more often than not….while the moonbats and unhinged continue to bat well below the Mendoza line.
So please quit making a mountain out of imagined molehills.
Regards
MarkB
MarkB on June 16, 2006 at 1:17 PM
A demmo hack debated Ann on Hannity & Colmes a few days ago, Laura Schwartz. She stated, “I read part of the chapter on the Jersey girls in Borders I will not but the book.” She then uses the usual lib tacit of atacking Ann not the book. Liberalsm is a religon I have known this for over 40 yrs. Destroy Ann, call her a hate monger, call her anti-Semitic. I will quote from Ann’s “Treason” again. “The people with the most quilt holler the loudest.” Whitiker Chambers.
birdman on June 16, 2006 at 1:20 PM
“especially that annoying filipina Michelle Malkin.” Nothing about that would bother you? Nothing glaringly gratuitous there?”
It would offend my as much as if you referred to “that Japanese wife of thirteen28.”
thirteen28 on June 16, 2006 at 1:21 PM
btw Allah, alot of times i’ve seen Malkin referred to as everything from a Chink to a LBFM to a gook. If Coulter said the following “A fat Heb/Yid/Kike woman” then I’d go balastic because those are anti-semetic words. Fat Jewish woman is not
Defector01 on June 16, 2006 at 1:22 PM
Priest said:
“I Believe that the AC Statement “President Clinton saved the Constitution by repeatedly ejaculating on a fat Jewish girl in the Oval Office.” was a condemnation of Mr. Clinton’s possible low opinion of the Constitution, the Oval Office, and fat Jewish girls. Referring to all of those things as objects that he would see fit to collect his ejaculate. Stating this as a speculation open for debate should someone choose.”
That’s exactly how I understand that paragraph.
Lighten up on Allahpundit. He doesn’t agree with Ann Coulter, so what. I love Ann Coulter, but don’t care for Sean Hannity. Thisn’t a liberal mind sink where everyone has to follow a particular set of party approved ideals.
Rode Werk on June 16, 2006 at 1:38 PM
“Let’s try a thought experiment. Imagine some lefty blogger wrote something like this: “Right-wing bloggers disgust me, especially that annoying filipina Michelle Malkin.” Nothing about that would bother you? Nothing glaringly gratuitous there?”
Someone who would say that has a problem with Filipinos.
But your example isn’t analogous with the Coulter example because if Monica Lewinski was Filipina and Coulter had written “on a fat Filipina girl in the Oval Office.” it would be funny and not anti Filipina. In fact, I’m laughing right now just thinking about it.
Let’s not dissect a little joke the way Jeffrey Dahmer used to dissect stray kittens.
Perchant on June 16, 2006 at 1:51 PM
Rode Werk: What you said. “This isn’t a libersl mind sink where ereryone has to follow a particular set of party approved ideals.” I agree I like Ann, Rush, Hannity, and Michelle, but I don’t care for Savage. We are not PC. We are not hate mongers.
birdman on June 16, 2006 at 1:53 PM
Well, someone did do another AC book cover for “Godless” on the Amazon.com site, and when you click on the book title, it comes up real large, with the subtitle something about “her struggle to deal with the fact she has male and female genitalia”. Like she says in her book, liberals immediately begin slandering the messenger when they have no legitimate argument. Another example of this.
clyde on June 16, 2006 at 1:57 PM
Keep one thing in mind in this ridiculously pc world: the word
“Chinaman” is considered an insult, where the words “Dutchman” and “Englishman” are not. Maybe it’s because they’re usually white, who knows. I need a dictionary for this crap.
clyde on June 16, 2006 at 2:03 PM
A total non-issue, IMO. I notice Jewish World Review still carries her column.
dman on June 16, 2006 at 2:06 PM
I just want to know who this Allahpundit person is, where are his (best guess on gender) credentials? There is no bio listed on this site about him anywhere.
Why did Michelle choose to have him post on hotair? Does she agree with this post? It says comments don’t reflect hotair mgt, but does Allahpundit’s posting reflect mgt beliefs?
There should be a disclaimer that he is a libertarian who is not religious, that way people know what the expect when he posts something.
?
cmc on June 16, 2006 at 2:07 PM
btw: Her current column is well worth a read: http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/coulter1.asp
dman on June 16, 2006 at 2:10 PM
Good lord Allah……I feel like I’ve stumbled onto an Atrios thread.
Non-story if you ask me.
The Ugly American on June 16, 2006 at 2:12 PM
Allahpundit,
Respectfully, from one conservative to another…… Dude, lighten up. If someone referred to me a fat Christian guy, I’m going to be more offended about the “fat” remark than anything else.
Sheesh.
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GT on June 16, 2006 at 2:14 PM
BREAKING NEWS: Coulter says she’s now “More popular than Jesus”. Fans call for book-burning.
Film at 11.
The Ugly American on June 16, 2006 at 2:22 PM
Michelle doesn’t tell either Allahpundit or I what to post here. We’re all conservatives with some divergence of opinion here and there but agreeing on the big stuff. I suspect that the same can be said for the majority of posters here.
Re Ann’s controversial description of Lewinsky, I won’t pretend to crawl into her mind and figure out what she means by it. But I do know that I dismiss liberals whose first criticism of me or Michelle or anyone else is based on appearance or ethnicity. Michelle gets more than enough of that kind of criticism leveled at her, and I always find it disgusting.
Ann hit both appearance and ethnicity in that sentence. I certainly don’t view it as among her best moments.
Bryan on June 16, 2006 at 2:27 PM
Allah: I still want to know what you meant when you said Ann was “talking smack”.
birdman on June 16, 2006 at 2:27 PM
Hmm.. sounds like the comment section at the Kos kids. Allah’s point is that Coulter does come off as arrogant and makes snide remarks that are unnecessary. I agree with many of her positions, but not her tone.
For someone who claims christianity and the moral high ground she sounds extremely hateful. Now I will just wait to be slagged along with Allah.
Ron on June 16, 2006 at 2:29 PM
Ann is right, but that is beside the point.
What is most important to the Left, and growing numbers on the Right, is Ann is “not nice”.
Since when does being “nice” help any cause? She gets compared to Michael Moore all the time, as somehow “over the line”. But people fail to notice the main difference between the two:
Ann uses hyperbole to illustrate a point of truth. Moore uses it to construct lies.
Screw being nice. Nice is for pussies who can’t stand the pain of rational thought.
Nobody ever criticizes any evidence or logic she presents. They only attack her choice of words. As though being sledgehammer blunt somehow negates truth.
As Ann herself points out, the Left entirely misses the point of her book. They acquiesce to the thesis they are Godless, and supported a criminal for a President. They only care about pushing buttons regarding criticism of some “protected” group.
Protected indeed. Cindy Sheehan could defecate on her son’s grave and honor him more than when she called her son’s killers “freedom fighters”.
But, I certainly wouldn’t want to risk offending someone by actually saying that. :-)
rogersnowden on June 16, 2006 at 2:30 PM
You miss the point, she claims christianity but doesn’t act like it. Also to say that the left is godless, yea so what? Most aren’t even asking the question if there is a God. She is preaching to the converted, the left won’t even listen to her just as the right (correctly) doesn’t pay any attention to what Kos, or Moore say. They all have become irrelevant to the other side.
Ron on June 16, 2006 at 2:34 PM
Thanks, Bryan. This reminds me of when liberals pointedly refer to Michelle by her maiden name. It always creeps me out because it’s so utterly gratuitous.
birdman — I gave you two examples in this very post. If the Lewinsky example doesn’t do it for you, what about what she said to Hawkins about Murtha getting fragged? That doesn’t count as a verbal turd in the punchbowl?
I understand people liking Coulter in spite of her excesses because, as I said in another post, she can be very incisive. But do you guys not recognize that *some* of what she says is beyond the pale?
Allahpundit on June 16, 2006 at 2:34 PM
Thanks Allah, alot of what she writes is beyond, beyond the pale and I consider myself very conservative. There is such a big difference between debating and hating.
Ron on June 16, 2006 at 2:38 PM
HoHoHo….racism in the conservative circle is so….lame, comparing to the Democrat.
You guys have never been to the Demo Plantation where Asian don’t stand a chance, no matter if you are filipino, Korean, Vietnamese, Chinese or Japanese.
Elaine Chow is the closest an Asian even reached in the cabinet level but our total population is twice as high in percentage than the Jewish population.
Under Affirmative Action Plan, Asians were screwed all around! Thanks to the Democrats.
That is why when a liberal accused a conservative for being racist, all Asians should remind themselves of the great Affirmative Action that has completely denied us the equal opportunities based on ability and talent.
But with these disadvantages, Asians still managed to do well in school and economically. We don’t play the “Racism” shield, you know.
Hearing some of the names the liberals used to attack Michelle make my blood boil!
So, please give Michelle another round of applause.
easy87us on June 16, 2006 at 2:41 PM
Allahpundit:
I see your point completely – but your analogy is lacking. Why? Because you have thrown “Filipina” into an already decidedly negative sentence.
Clearly, If I say “I really hate that dumb white Allahpundit guy,” I’m using “white” in a derogatory fashion. You might call me anti-cracker. Being a cracker, I can say that :)
In short, your example turns into an apples and oranges comparison. So why not make it apples and apples – put “Filipina” into Ann’s actual quote:
(my profuse apologies to Michelle in advance for doing this, by the way!)
“President Clinton saved the Constitution by repeatedly ejaculating on a skinny Filipina girl in the Oval Office.”
THERE is your actual comparison. Now YOU decide – is that sentence anti-Asian or anti-Filipina? Personally I could probably argue either way – but that’s the comparison you’ve got to make to argue your point. And it is at best pretty weak.
I think, to be honest, your sensitivity (or that of those who are upset) stems from the historical reality of anti-Semitism. Thus any time the word “Jew” is used, people get their hackles up.
True story: I was once having a completely non-political discussion about Israel and called the countries inhabitants “Jews.” The girl I was talking to got very upset! Can you guess why? Yup. She actually thought “Jew” was a derogatory word. She had no idea that was just the word. I think a lot of people are overly sensitive about the word “Jew.”
For the record, I think EVERYBODY is missing the actual reason Ann used it in that sentence. My take is that she used it for COMIC reasons; above all else, she is a humorist. “Fat Jewish girl” turns that line into a pretty funny joke, for reasons I can’t even explain. But it sounds like something right out of a standup routine – delivered by a Jewish comic.
My take. But I’m just a damn skinny cracker.
Professor Blather on June 16, 2006 at 2:43 PM
easy87us: Agreed racism in any way should be rejected. What many on the left have said (take Steele for instance) is disgusting. By the same token I do not want conservatives to fall in the same pit. And I also reject the lefts version of multiculturalism and radical PC language.
Ron on June 16, 2006 at 2:45 PM
And yes – plenty of things Ann says are “beyond the pale,” including some of her recent comments. Anyone who will deny that completely is indeed deep in the Kool-Aid. It’s nice RED cherry Kool-aid, but still Kool-Aid.
By the way … isn’t it humorously predictable that the defacement of Ann’s Amazon page is – of course – an attack on her sexuality?
Do liberals have to practice being that hypocritical?
Professor Blather on June 16, 2006 at 2:45 PM
Hmm… as much as I still think “filipina” or “jewish” shouldn’t have anything to do with it, I have to retreat slightly, then, because if Michelle does feel under attack for her ethnicity then it makes more sense for Allahpundit et al to be less enamoured of Ann’s mention of the fact that Monica is Jewish.
I still think it’s stupid to get all up in arms over. Patterico is still an idiot (at least on this issue, he has some others where he’s quite perceptive and on target). But I feel a bit less put out over your behavior now that I can see that you’re just overreacting because you don’t like seeing Michelle receive deliberately insulting ethnic slurs from the left. I still think you’re grossly overreacting, of course, because I think it should be blindingly obvious that Ann’s comment was NOT deliberately insulting (at least not to Monica, it was to Bubba boy and libtards but they both deserve way far worse) nor racist in the least… but it makes a lot more sense now.
I guess the main problem is that most conservatives really aren’t racist, so we don’t think of mentioning ethnicity as racist. We aren’t idiots, we are usually aware of the ethnicity of somebody we see, but it’s rarely a big deal at all. Even if they look like a mexican the worst most of us will likely think is “hope he’s/she’s legal”. Heck most of us wouldn’t even really be insulted if somebody called us what our ethnicity is even in the offensive slang version. We might think the other person is a total idiot… but then we’d likely do that anyway, since they are probably a retarded liberal idiot… but would we really be offended? Most of the time we wouldn’t. If somebody called me a “whitey” I wouldn’t really care. I would think the other person was an idiot, but I wouldn’t care.
So we don’t really have the experience in thinking in insulting racist terms, and most of the time when they come in they just go in one ear and out the other. As a result, most of us just don’t see any problem with mentioning somebody’s ethnicity, especially in a non-derrogatory fashion. But given your experience with Michelle, it makes more sense for you to be less tolerant.
RH
RobertHuntingdon on June 16, 2006 at 2:52 PM
Coulter’s a sleeper agent! She’s tearing us apart!
Alex K on June 16, 2006 at 2:52 PM
Allah: I agree with you on the Murtha comment, it does go over “over the pale”. When you used the term “talking smack”, I misunderstood I thought you may have been talking about Ann’s cutting wit. Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the word “Filipina” was correct.
birdman on June 16, 2006 at 2:53 PM
Alex K:
“Coulter’s a sleeper agent! She’s tearing us apart!”
Could be right, an agent provocateur, or like Frist on immigration.
I believe that perhaps my comments here were deleted. When I reacted to the lewd antisemitic comment by Coultier, I was branded an anti-christian bigot, liberal, etc. TAhen when I tried to reply, this webpage blocked me.
Well, now I see why so many American Jews are deeply suspicious of the republicans. Their true agenda is revealed on blogs like this. Like many conservatves who voted for Bush, I truly regret it. By defending Coulter’s slur and attacking the victims of the slur, the truth about some of these right wingers is revealed.
Meanwhile, the circus continues. The Ringler Brothers loved any type of media attention, be it negative or positive. After all, there are people cashing in on this antisemitic business, even this website.
I do not trust repugs, democrats, liberals, president bush, and the majority of politicians. The end is near…not because of biblical prophecy, but because of gthe nut cases who believe it as manifest destiny.
Dahvid on June 16, 2006 at 3:04 PM
Miss Coulter is a comic. A conservative Lenny Bruce.
No one has to take her seriously, but her sarcasm and humor is well received judging by the number of book sales.
gary on June 16, 2006 at 3:13 PM
Prof, I would say Ann’s comment was deragatory towards Clinton.
“fat jewish girl” was not anti semitic. No where in that statement does she attack jews.
She could have said “Bill clinton saved the constitution by ejaculating on a fat girl”. Would that now mean she is anti fat? (well, she is in pretty good shape… :) )
As far as people attacking Allah… Get a grip people. He disagrees with how Coulter phrases her ideas, not the ideas themselves. because of that you want to burn him at the stake? When did we become liberals, ready to eat our own young when they differ from us? Liberals weakness is their inflexibilty. Why would conservatives want to emulate them?
A closed mind does no one any good, and truly handicaps a persons abilty to debate.
Wyrd on June 16, 2006 at 3:20 PM
Davhid, I have also had issues posting here. Sometimes a post would disappear after I submit it. I do not think Hot air is anti american, or anti portuguese.
Please educate me on which comment you speak of? I did not see any anti sementism in the clinton quote. Jew was not a subject, but the adverb (I think, grammer is a long way away from me)
here is a joke
“what type of geese don’t fly? Portuguese!”
Wyrd on June 16, 2006 at 3:23 PM
“As far as people attacking Allah… Get a grip people. He disagrees with how Coulter phrases her ideas, not the ideas themselves. because of that you want to burn him at the stake? When did we become liberals, ready to eat our own young when they differ from us? Liberals weakness is their inflexibilty. Why would conservatives want to emulate them?
A closed mind does no one any good, and truly handicaps a persons abilty to debate.”
Well said.
Ron on June 16, 2006 at 3:24 PM
Man, Bryan and AP, you guys have your bonnets tied on a little too tight. If “fat Jewish girl” and “frag murtha” is all you guys can dig up then she’s done well to rein herself in.
For me the bottom line is free speech is free speech. If she loses fans or alienates conservatives it’s her burden to bear. I don’t think she has or will. Nowhere in the constitution does it say free speech must be “nice”. We should all try to be civil whenever possible but some subjects invoke passion which can easily produce results some may deem “undesirable”. If she wrote to please the gods of political correctness, her writings wouldn’t be worth reading.
darwin on June 16, 2006 at 3:24 PM
Allah wrote:
“But do you guys not recognize that *some* of what she says is beyond the pale?”
Fine, then go provide an actual example of something she said that was beyond the pale, rather than dropping a headline filled with innuendo that Ann is anti-Semetic for the statement about Clinton and Lewinsky – one that when put into is proper context was in no way anti-Semetic.
In your zeal to play ‘gotcha’ against Ann you are throwing a pretty weak example out there and only weakening your case against her that much more.
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rogersnowden writes above:
“Since when does being “nice” help any cause? She gets compared to Michael Moore all the time, as somehow “over the line”. But people fail to notice the main difference between the two:
Ann uses hyperbole to illustrate a point of truth. Moore uses it to construct lies.
Screw being nice. Nice is for pussies who can’t stand the pain of rational thought.
Nobody ever criticizes any evidence or logic she presents. They only attack her choice of words. As though being sledgehammer blunt somehow negates truth.”
Damn right, roger. Damn right.
thirteen28 on June 16, 2006 at 3:29 PM
I understand people liking Coulter in spite of her excesses because, as I said in another post, she can be very incisive. But do you guys not recognize that *some* of what she says is beyond the pale?
Absolutely. However, I just see it as yet another example of her controversial cattiness. In other words…titter-titter ho-hum.
I’ve never really thought much of her until the MSM went apoplectic and quite frankly, I’m enjoying every minute of this.
Some of her statements are indeed very cringe-worthy but I really don’t see how her personal opinions taint all conservatives….just as Cindy Sheehan’s shouldn’t for all liberals. Anyone who comes to that conclusion has been spending way too much time suckling the media tit. Coulter is a bomb-thrower who thrives on pushing the envelope. People who allow her to push their buttons are merely playing right into her hands.
And as for the word “racist”…..I personally feel it has been overused to the point that not only has it become tiresome but has virtually lost all meaning.
I honestly don’t give a crap how “descriptive” people are in their daily speech. I remember the time that someone referred to me as a “white dyke bitch”….I frickin’ laughed my ass off. Honestly, being called a “chickenhawk” pisses me off more than being called a honky lezzie.
Obviously, the line between discretion and political correctness is a very fine one.
The Ugly American on June 16, 2006 at 3:37 PM
Allah,
Your reaction to Ann’s use of “fat Jewish girl” makes me wonder if you suffer from what Shelby Steele termed “white guilt.”
I wonder how many Greeks protested Nia Vardalos for writing “My Big Fat Greek Wedding” and the stereotype that was portrayed?
I wonder how many people protested Billy Crystal for his jokes and stereotyped characters of Jewish people.
Oh wait. Nia Vardalos is Greek and Billy Crystal is Jewish so its OK. Is that it? Kinda like when black people use the “n-word”. Its OK for them to use it amongst themselves but not for people of other races. Do we really want to go that far? If Ann were Jewish, then her comment would have been OK and not harmed “the Cause”. Is that what we’re saying here?
The question is one of intent. Is Ann’s use of “fat Jewish girl” intended to disparage Jewish women or it simply a writer’s device to illustrate a point?
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GT on June 16, 2006 at 3:38 PM
Miss Coulter is a comic. A conservative Lenny Bruce.
Gary: Interesting analogy.
I like it.
The Ugly American on June 16, 2006 at 3:39 PM
The Clinton comment that Ann made is in no way anti-Semtic. Too call a Jew a Jew, is like calling a white man a white man and so on. The only problem with Ann that I have is the Murtha comment, and thats a very small problem.
birdman on June 16, 2006 at 3:42 PM
thirteen28;
for some reason your post reminded me of the “three types of people” scene in “Team America”
GT, good point.
It seems obvious to me that her point was against Bill Clinton, not fat people, Jewish People, or girl people. In some cases people are too thin skinned and offend too easily. My answer is to grow a thicker skin. Now I would say anns comment was anti jewish if she said “Clinton saved the constitution by ejaculating on a fat kike girls over sized beakish nose”
then she is commenting not on clinton, but on a jewish stereotype. The way she phrased the comment “jewish” was nothing more then an identifier, same as “fat” and “girl”
Wyrd on June 16, 2006 at 3:46 PM
BTW, concerning Ann’s comment on Murtha. Her point is dead on. I think Krempasky needs to grow a sense of humor and take her comment for what it was.
Given what Murtha has said and done to hurt our military men and women in service, Ann was being too kind.
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GT on June 16, 2006 at 3:53 PM
Wyrd:
“for some reason your post reminded me of the “three types of people” scene in “Team America””
You know, that reminds me of another instance of what we are seeing on this thread. I remember reading a review of that (excellent and hysterically funny) movie on ‘The American Spectator’ in which they thought portraying Michael Moore as a suicide bomber was beyond the pale. Needless to say, I disagreed with that notion and think if anyone deserves such a portrayal, it’s Michael Moore.
Also, (returning to the main discussion) I don’t think the fragging comment about Murtha was out of line when placed in the context of his vicious slander of our own Marines.
thirteen28 on June 16, 2006 at 3:56 PM
Let me try to explain further.
A Coulter defender on my site says that ambiguous language should generally be interpreted as bolstering the speaker’s main point. I agree.
And I interpret Ann’s point as a complaint about the admitted idiocy of liberals’ crediting Clinton with saving the Constitution, when in fact all hed done was something really tawdry. (I would point to the perjury and obstruction, but this is Ann’s point, not mine.)
Besides the word “Jewish,” every other word in the sentence bolsters that point: that Clinton’s behavior was despicable. He didn’t *make out* *one time* with a *hot* *mature woman* in a *private place.* No, it was more tawdry than that: he: *repeatedly* *ejaculated* on a *fat* *girl* in the *Oval Office.* Every single word is carefully calculated to paint Clinton’s act as cheap and disgusting (which, of course, it was).
And then the word “Jewish” is in there too . . .
I’m left wondering why Ann seems to think that word bolsters the argument.
So, in keeping with the principle that ambiguous language should be interpreted as bolstering the speaker’s point, it would appear that Coulter seems to think the word “Jewish” bolsters her point — which is, again, about how tawdry the B.J. was. And I find that curious, at a minimum.
I think Allah has a pretty good analogy. Let me make one that is even closer.
What if some nasty lefty said: “Conservatives think Allah works for a brilliant pundit, when in fact he works for an ugly, bigoted, Filipina broad.”
Clearly, the speaker’s point is to insult Malkin. Every other word (ugly, bigoted, broad) is calculated to add to the insult.
So when you ask yourself: “Why did this speaker choose to use the word “Filipina,” it’s not crazy to speculate that maybe the speaker thought that adjective would make Malkin sound worse.
FWIW, the Jews I’ve talked to about this don’t seem to be terribly bothered by it. A couple have found the usage a bit odd, but most say I’m overreacting. Nobody is up in arms.
Patterico on June 16, 2006 at 4:10 PM
Ron,
Christians have different personalities. We’re not robots. Also, Ann speaks the truth — as far as I remember, this is a Christian trait. Sometimes the truth is ugly, and the left (along with the self-righteous right) are just going to have to deal with it:)
wytammic on June 16, 2006 at 4:24 PM
Wyrd:
“Prof, I would say Ann’s comment was deragatory towards Clinton. “fat jewish girl” was not anti semitic.”
The derogatory comment included a reference to a Jewish person. Therefore it was a derogatory comment targeting specificially Jewish women.
Wyrd,
What is your ethnic background and religion? Let’s see how you like derogatory comments including your people. I’ll bet that you are a coward who will never reveal what you are. Replace the word “jewish” with “christian” or “catholic” and there would be a furor.
Dahvid on June 16, 2006 at 4:25 PM
Wyrd:
Q. Why did the catholic or christian priest return?
A. He couldn’t stand to leave the altar boy’s behind.
Coulter is jealous because Clinton did not prefer a Christian woman. Who can blame him? Who’d want Christian kids and a nagging Christian hag to have to bang all the time?
Dahvid on June 16, 2006 at 4:30 PM
I’m a white Christian male, so lets do it…..
The original paragraph……
“Both words are nothing more or less than a general statement of liberal approval, having nothing to do with either science or the Constitution. (Thus, for example, the following sentence makes sense to liberals: President Clinton saved the Constitution by repeatedly ejaculating on a fat Jewish girl in the Oval Office.) The core of the Judeo-Christian tradition says that we are utterly and distinctly apart from other species. We have dominion over the plants and the animals on Earth. God gave it to us, it’s ours—as stated succinctly in the book of Genesis. Liberals would sooner trust the stewardship of the Earth to Shetland ponies and dung beetles. All their pseudoscience supports an alternative religion that says we are an insignificant part of nature.”
So lets make the change….
“Both words are nothing more or less than a general statement of liberal approval, having nothing to do with either science or the Constitution. (Thus, for example, the following sentence makes sense to liberals: President Clinton saved the Constitution by repeatedly ejaculating on a fat Christian girl in the Oval Office.) The core of the Judeo-Christian tradition says that we are utterly and distinctly apart from other species. We have dominion over the plants and the animals on Earth. God gave it to us, it’s ours—as stated succinctly in the book of Genesis. Liberals would sooner trust the stewardship of the Earth to Shetland ponies and dung beetles. All their pseudoscience supports an alternative religion that says we are an insignificant part of nature.”
Oh my Lord. I am so offended!!!! (sarcasm)
Seriously, some people need to get a hobby.
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GT on June 16, 2006 at 4:36 PM
Wyrd,
Now don’t get mad, those derogatory remarks just happened to include references to christians, don’t get all bent out of shape ok? Do you know that the word “pope” in India is derogatory, referring to perhaps a deceitful conniving individual.
Yeah, sure, it wasn’t an antisemitic remark, just like christianity is not cult responsible incalculable misery through the ages.
Dahvid on June 16, 2006 at 4:38 PM
Actually, Christianity was not responsible for incalculable misery through the ages. It was people who used Christianity as an excuse for incalculable misery. No where in the New Testament will you find support for such behavior.
GT on June 16, 2006 at 4:42 PM
Patterico:
Your argument starts with a premise that can as easily be discarded as accepted, and you use the fact that a Coulter supporter said it and then toss in the assumption that Ann agrees with the premise (”I’m left wondering why Ann seems to think that word bolsters the argument.”). Then to top it off, you make another out of context analogy – in your example, the person is clearly trying to insult Michelle, in Ann’s comments she was clearly going after Clinton. If you have to go through logical contortions like that, then you probably don’t have a very good argument in the first place. Like Allah, you are throwing a weak argument out there, one that is easily picked apart and undermines your own position that much further.
“FWIW, the Jews I’ve talked to about this don’t seem to be terribly bothered by it. A couple have found the usage a bit odd, but most say I’m overreacting.”
I’d second their opinion.
thirteen28 on June 16, 2006 at 4:43 PM
Dahvid – It’s pretty obvious you’re using “fat jewish girl” as an excuse to rant about how much you dislike christians. Have at it big boy. When you’re done, please find a hobby.
darwin on June 16, 2006 at 4:44 PM
I still want to know who Allahpundit is. Why should I visit hotair and read his posts when there isn’t a bio or credentials for him.
I respect Ann and her opinions because she explains who she is and what she stands for. There is more than enough info out there about her. I can read her column, her books, her website, articles written about her, see her on tv, the radio etc. She is upfront and honest about who she is and who she agrees with.
Once I see some background on Allahpundit I can form an educated opinion about him. If all I have to go on is his thoughts on Ann and his other posts then I can’t say too many good things about him. Many people read these types of sites to learn from credited people so they can gain knowledge from them.
In response to this post, if the phrase was “a fat white girl in the Oval Office” it would have been ignored. Sorry, but those minorities who are of the opinion that it is taboo to mention their ethnicity are not living in reality. White people have to go around on egg shells to prevent anyone from accusing them of being racist. It is a descriptive word and should not be allowed to become a PC issue.
cmc on June 16, 2006 at 5:07 PM
Why not? What will knowing my “background” add to my arguments, cmc? Either you agree with me or you don’t.
Are you actually accusing me of being some kind of secret liberal operative just because I don’t breathe heavily when Ann Coulter comes on TV? Do you think Michelle doesn’t know my “background”? Or is she a secret liberal operative too?
Worry a little less about me and a little more about your girlfriend “joking” about people blowing up the NY Times building with truck bombs.
Allahpundit on June 16, 2006 at 5:13 PM
CMC: This should give you some perspective on Allah…
The Ugly American on June 16, 2006 at 5:17 PM
Lo and behold! Conservative bloggers go multi-culti and PC. What is a voter to do now? I thought I had escaped Europe for good.
It’s about time the two ’sacred cows’ GT talks about get roasted.
Patterico, boy your commenter’s post was some threading of the needle – we love you still!
Allah, we still love you, no matter your politics, religion or non-, sexual orientation, the way you look or dress. If nothing else, protests to the contrary, this feed was good for many to get things off their mind. And to love/hate Ann or some of what she says/write…ka-ching!
Do liberals devine to know what Ann’s sexual orientation is and, if so, aren’t they the non-discriminating and all-loving ones?
Calling me Transylvanian will not offend, au contraire!
Entelechy on June 16, 2006 at 5:19 PM
“Worry a little less about me and a little more about your girlfriend “joking” about people blowing up the NY Times building with truck bombs.”
I sense a lack of objectivity concerning Coulter and more of a personal bias coming from Allahpundit.
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GT on June 16, 2006 at 5:22 PM
Bias against people who joke about blowing up reporters?
Guilty as charged.
Allahpundit on June 16, 2006 at 5:23 PM
On the other hand…yeah…let’s see some credentials mister!
LOL…
The Ugly American on June 16, 2006 at 5:27 PM
Allahpundit, don’t let them taunt you into anything. I like mysterious people.
Also, I like the diversity (not meant in a PC way) on this board.
Entelechy on June 16, 2006 at 5:32 PM
Diversity?….ugh
Somebody pull that guy’s credenitals.
j/k ; )
The Ugly American on June 16, 2006 at 5:35 PM
Oh come one, Allah. You can’t tell us that there isn’t a moment in your life where you haven’t wished to see a reporter, columnist or politician get up close and personal with an M67?
Ever see the movie “Little Nicky” where Hitler gets a pinapple get shoved up his backside? You can’t tell me that when Murtha accuses Marines of cold blooded murder some small part of you wishes Murtha got the pineapple treatment?
C’mon….be honest.
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GT on June 16, 2006 at 5:36 PM
TUA, I’m offended at the term ‘guy’ – just kidding! It’s a good Friday night :)
Entelechy on June 16, 2006 at 5:36 PM
CMC has a great point! What do we really know about Allahpundit? I’m just an ameteur sleuth, so take this with a grain of salt, but:
Did you ever notice that you never see Karl Rove and Allahpundit in the same room? Kind of like Superman and Clark Kent?
ROVE!!! You got us again! Man, that guy is sneaky.
Kevin M on June 16, 2006 at 5:39 PM
Well, I just assumed with that Star Trekish name…..heheheheheh…
The Ugly American on June 16, 2006 at 5:43 PM
“Did you ever notice that you never see Karl Rove and Allahpundit in the same room? Kind of like Superman and Clark Kent?”
Hmmmm…. Clark Kent was a reporter and Allah is offended by Coulter’s remark about blowing up the NYT….. So that means Allah really is Rove!
Glory be!! When it comes to deductive reasoning, who the heck needs Batman or Sherlock Holmes!! (grin)
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GT on June 16, 2006 at 5:47 PM
“…repeatedly ejaculating on a skinny Filipina girl…”
Lovely. As if I didn’t already have serious impure thought issues with the Divine Mrs. M.
I’ll be in my bunk.
(I KEEED! I KEEED!!!)
DirkBelig on June 16, 2006 at 5:48 PM
Good Lord GT you’re right. I’ve never seen Allahpundit in the same room with Batman either!
I can’t believe this has been kept a secret for so long. Well, not any more. It’s clear now that when Karl Rove is not sidelining as Allahpundit, he is fighting crime as Batman.
Kudos Allahpundit. The world is a safer place (and Riddler free!) because of you.
If anyone else needs detective work done, drop me a line, my prices are reasonable.
Kevin M on June 16, 2006 at 6:05 PM
DirkBelig, you are sinning like President Carter did :)
I’m sinning for digressing from the topic – it would be nice to win a pool lottery so all on this board could quit their jobs and do this 24 hours a day. What fun could be had and how many tough issues could be solved, in all earnest.
Entelechy on June 16, 2006 at 6:07 PM
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