I know Allahpundit’s background. He’s not Batman. He’s Spiderman. You heard it here first.

Whatev, his background is irrelevant to this and most if not all other discussions.

Bryan on June 16, 2006 at 6:08 PM

Aw shucks, Bryan. I was having fun imagining Allah in a cape & cowl brooding over the Joker (aka: Ann Coulter) while advising President Bush on political matters of the heart.

(grin)

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GT on June 16, 2006 at 6:16 PM

Note the christian response here is to blame the victims, and add further insult.

Here are the facts:

1) The christians should admit that the comment was inappropriate, offensive and apologize, without further blaming and attacking the victims of the insult.

darwin: rather than a hobby, when I’m feeling down and like doing something really nasty, I find some fat goya christian girl to giz. So how do you like a taste of your own medicine? Don’t attack Jews because you are really an antisemite hiding behind christianity. You make christians look bad, not all are, but you do more harm than good to the image of christianity.

Dahvid on June 16, 2006 at 6:22 PM

Nice try Bryan and Entelechy! Bryan is actually Robin and Entelechy is the Alfred the butler. They are just trying to steer us in the wrong direction to protect Allah/Rove/Batman’s identity.

The truth is already out there guys. Give it up. Trying to do a ‘cover-up’ will only cause more misfortune. Don’t create an AllBatRovegate.

Kevin M on June 16, 2006 at 6:27 PM

Allah: I agree with at least 98% of what you say. I think that you are being a little hypercritical of Ann. A commentor here at Hotair, I can’t remember who said in effect; thats what makes us differant from the libs. We do not speak as one. We can agree too disagree. We can debate the issues and form are own conclusions. We do not attack each other personally. We do not look down our noses at people. We are not PC. Some people here prefer Michelle M, some prefer Sean H, some prefer Ann C, Rush L and so on. We all take something from all of them. I myself prefer Rush L, and Ann C over everyone else. I do belive the pundints I have just mentioned and of course you Allah, and of course others all bring a hell of a lot too the table. The day we start agreeing on every point, is the day we no longer function as a ideology. I think it is cool that you remain hidden from view. Cmc, no one knows how anyone trully fells in their heart. Rush made a comment yesterday that twice in the past he was given offers to “go over to the dark side” too “sell his soul”. A show on TV, Holleywood, too be wined and dined by the lib establishment, women, the whole ball of wax. Rush said I would have too be an “actor”, and I am not an “actor”. Case closed!

birdman on June 16, 2006 at 6:28 PM

“Well, if you want to imagine Allahpundit in a cape that’s your business, dude.”

Now you’re just being kinky.

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“Note the christian response here is to blame the victims, and add further insult.

Here are the facts:

1) The christians should admit that the comment was inappropriate, offensive and apologize, without further blaming and attacking the victims of the insult.”

Er….. speaking as one of those allegedly racist/bigoted evil Bob Jones University-type Christians (as opposed to the “Gay is OK with God” Episcopalian-type Christians, um….. No. One should never apologize for speaking the truth no matter how offensive it may be to some.

The “ladies” chose to go beyond their original goal and chose “political” sides all the while living it up on the money they got from the Taxpayers because their husbands got a plane dropped on them by terrorists. The “girls” went on the political stump for Kerry to show how tough Kerry was on terrorism while blasting Bush who was busing killing the people who made their husbands deaths a reality.

If anything, it seems to me that the “girls” owe us an apology and a refund.

GT on June 16, 2006 at 6:40 PM

How is my calling Coulter your girlfriend a “personal attack,” cmc?

And I’m not “using the race card” by calling Coulter out for making a questionable remark. By your logic, Michelle was “using the race card” when she criticized Coulter this winter for calling Arabs “ragheads” at CPAC.

If you want to stick to Vent and skip my posts, please, I invite you to do so. We’ll both be happier that way, I’m sure.

Allahpundit on June 16, 2006 at 6:49 PM

On second thought, the Christians are right. Why? Because might makes right. The Jewish population in America is rapidly declining, which is no surprise judging from the comments here.

I predict that just as in Europe when the Jws were chased out and the muslims replaced them, when us Jews are gone from America you “Christians” will be in the same position as Eurabia.

Wanna see what happens in the not too distant future when you enjoy a lewd slander against a Muslim woman as opposed to a Jewish one? Ho Ho Ho, the laugh is on you, my friends, and there won’t be any Jews around to blame or to taunt. That’s right, no poor little Jews crying that you are abusing them, rather you will deal with jhihad like what France is dealing with. And they just can’t seem to stop it in Iraq either, eh? Let’s see how funny you think it is then, when you’ve chased all the Jews away and your friendly neighborhood Muslims move in!

That is your future, and it is karma well deserved. Israel for Jews, America for Christians and Muslims. Christians stay the hell outta Israel.

Dahvid on June 16, 2006 at 6:53 PM

darwin, you are projecting. sick little schmuck, you are beyond help, don’t bother with a shrink, they won’t care to help you.

Dahvid on June 16, 2006 at 6:55 PM

Dahvid sez: “On second thought, the Christians are right. Why? Because might makes right. The Jewish population in America is rapidly declining, which is no surprise judging from the comments here.”

Oh good grief, Dahvid. How delusional can you be? The next thing you know, you’ll be accusing Falwell for the declining birthrate among the Jewish-American population when everyone already knows Kim Catrall is responsible for that.

The one true friend Israel and Jews have are evangelical Christians. No one defends Israel more completely. You’ll just have to deal with it.

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GT on June 16, 2006 at 7:09 PM

Sorry GT,

I don’t watch Falwell, own a television set, believe in fairy tales, or in your religion. The demographic facts are there, and don’t underestimate your power to harm.

Dahvid on June 16, 2006 at 7:14 PM

Time to stop the squabbling. The Heaven’s Gate bunch is looking down from Hale-Bopp and laughing at us. :-)

dman on June 16, 2006 at 7:17 PM

darwin:

“I’m here for ya.”

Well, sorry, buddy, but I don’t swing that way, OK?. Find yourself a nice catholic priest, ok buddy? Or maybe some shrink will approve you for the sex change operation you need so that you can really “be here for ya”.

Oh and by the way, I ignore trolls. Bye bye little darwin.

Dahvid on June 16, 2006 at 7:30 PM

Wikipedia doesn’t put you in a good light.

WTF???

Yeah…I guess being one of the key players in Rathergate really isn’t all that impressive. I mean, seeing as how Allah’s not a true conservative ‘n all.

Geezus, this thread’s headin’ straight into the sh*tter but quick.

The Ugly American on June 16, 2006 at 8:08 PM

Let me add, if Clinton’s prey had been a black girl, Coulter wouldn’t have said “…fat black girl…” because it would have occurred to her that she’d be accused of racism. That judgement didn’t occur to Ann regarding Jewishness so the fact that it didn’t occur to her appears to show there was not racist intent.

If it had been Ariel Sharon in Israel with a fat Christian girl in identical circumstances, a critical Israeli pundit would have described it as “…on a fat Christian girl”, no Christians would have accused the pundit of being anti Christian. There might be an interracial element being exploited to give the comment its bite or humor but the intent would be to flame the leader for pursuing exotic frivolities.

As for the “fat” part, that is intented to show poor taste by the persuer so I guess the chunkers can whine about having their feelings hurt, if they must.

Perchant on June 16, 2006 at 8:36 PM

To the commenter questioning why I chose Allah to blog at Hot Air:

Answer: Because I consider him the best damned blogger in the blogosphere.

“Credentials?” What is this, the NYTimes editorial board? You want his credentials? I hired him. I love him. And if you are going to keep insulting him because he is too “libertarian” and “not religious” enough for you, perhaps you should go elsewhere for your blogging needs.

No, our management team doesn’t agree on everything. But conservatives are supposed to be more tolerant of disagreement than the other side, remember?

As for Ann’s description of Monica Lewinksy, it was dumb.
I’m disgusted every time Ann’s detractor’s bring up her weight. There was no need for her to turn around and mention Lewinsky’s. And what does Lewinsky’s Jewishness have to do with anything? Call her foolish, loose, promiscuous, or skanky. “Fat Jewish girl?” Totally gratuitious.

We shouldn’t be overly sensitive about racial/ethnic descriptions, of course. If a young, Muslim male is arrested for casing nuclear power plants, all of those descriptive factors are relevant.

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Last point: Allah’s and Bryan’s points are right on about the double standard some seem to have here. When left-wing critics deride my maiden name, there’s no question the overtones are racial/ethnic.

And, by the way, I’m not “Filipina.”

I’m American.

Michelle on June 16, 2006 at 9:09 PM

Back to the original question about Ann Coulter’s choice of words, I think Mark Davis makes the better point….

“Ms. Coulter does in prose what editorial cartoonists do with pictures: artful exaggeration with the goal of crystallizing a political point.

If her word choice is not your cup of tea, that’s fine. Don’t buy the book. For me, the Michael Moore mantra that Mr. Bush is an evil idiot is a tad harsh. We all have our tastes.

So, here’s the deal - let’s all be big boys and girls and realize that anyone intentionally entering a vigorous arena of debate is fair game. And instead of wasting our time hand-wringing over whose style wounds our sensibilities, let’s focus on who has a point and who does not.”

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/06/coulters_critics_have_proved_h.html

GT on June 16, 2006 at 9:16 PM

How would I feel if it was a portuguese woman? About the same as if it was Jewish, french, german or even American.
I would not care. Would you like to know why? Because I do not let small things like classifying a person by their ethnicity is a big deal.

Now then, Ann Coulter saying “fat jewish girl” is a terrible thing.
One line out of a book, and the rest of the book praises the Judeo Christion ethic. But because of this one line the world is ending.

Yet how about the Muslim press? Daily they attack the Jews. Daily they print horrible carricatures of Jews. They demean Jews, they call for the murder of Jews. Jews are depicted as rats, as drinking the blood of babies, as murderers. These papers call for the destruction of the Jewish state and the death of all Jews.
Yet Ann Coulters book which praises the Judeo Christian Ethic and has one line in it about Bill Clinton which states that Monica Lewensky is jewish is terrible. And why? Monica is jewish. Bill Clinton did ejaculate on her. No where in the book or that one sentence was Miss Lewensky demeened or lies spread about her. but this is a terrible thing. In bad taste perhaps, but the end of all that is good and holy? I think not.

Here you go Dahvid. Look at these pictures from Muslim newspapers. THIS is anti sementism. THIS is what you should spend your energy fighting, instead of difusing energy and attention on one line from one book.

http://www.adl.org/main_Arab_World/arab_media_portrayal_jews.htm

I will also reiterate, I am a damned soul. I am an athiest. As such I do not have a christian or jewish ethic. This does not stop me from helping out those that need it and risking my life when it is necasary to protect the innocent.

Wyrd on June 16, 2006 at 9:23 PM

Hey Wyrd,

I don’t follow those links, but apparently you are an expert in such matters. I do not need to be reminded about the hate that people like you enable in the world. So keep your snuff pics to yourself.

So what Wyrd is saying is that Jews should shutup and accept public humiliation, if they know what’s good for them, just checkout these snuff pics! Jews do not deserve public respect, and they’d better shutup OR ELSE!

Wyrd is saying that Jews do not deserve to be treated with civility because they are held to a different standard.

We are not talking about Muslim lands here, friend. We are talking about a prominent conservatitive American figure making a lewd antisemitic comment. I am not equating Coulter with Islam or any of those filthy disgusting pictures which you so eagerly provide.

Does your family know that you post such stuff? Would your wife or children approve? Really only sicko wacko’s post such links, and you assist the murders by advertising their product. Surely, no decent would post like you. But then again, your sould is damned. The internet police would probably be interested somebody like you, who posts snuff links.

Am I scared? You bet your g_d damned soul I’m scared, Wyrd. That is why I am so very upset at the tone of this blog.

How do you enable such atrocities? It starts with the little things by denying the truth about hateful jibes. Today the lewd public comment, tomorrow the Nazi party. It all starts with implied consent of the masses. The bloggers here represent a sample of those masses.

The ICHING says: “Invisible Dust Gathers”

I have decided that you are a troll and a virulent antisemite because you posted those links. You do not speak for Christians in America, who have basically admitted the fault and moved on. No, you are a European, where antisemitism is deeply ingrained. Bye bye troll.

Dahvid on June 16, 2006 at 10:15 PM

Dahvid,

Do you recall Coulter’s “old Arab Helen Thomas” comment?

What do you make of that? Does that mean she has some underlying distaste for Arabs? Lets not forget she called for the profiling of Arabs. That’s proof that she hates Arabs, right?

Of course, this is the same woman who has written for Jewish World Review and at one time dated an Arab.

Sorry, but there is no underlying antisemitism here. What you perceive as “the anatomy of antisemitism” by some here and by perhaps Ann is really “indifference”.

IMHO, the problem isn’t the fact that Coulter made the point of using the word “Jewish” in her description of Lewinsky, but rather the thin-skinned people offended by it. You can “choose” to be offended or “choose” not to be offended.

I’ll make a deal with you. I’ll apologize for not being more sensitive when Billy Crystal and Eddie Murphy apologize for their gross characterizations of Jewish Americans. Deal?

BTW, how do you feel about Coulter’s remark about the Episcopal Church when she said, “Howard Dean left the Episcopal Church — which is barely even a church — because his church, in Montpelier, Vermont, would not cede land for a bike path.”

Does this mean she’s anti-Christian as well?

Do I think she’s a Christian? I don’t know. She believes she is. In the end, all that matters is what God thinks. That’s enough for me.

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GT on June 16, 2006 at 10:26 PM

And who’s a “raghead”? Arabs or Muslims?

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GT on June 16, 2006 at 10:33 PM

Dahvid, only a fool argues from a closet, shielded and hidden from all dissenting opinions and facts.
I do not enable atrocities. You do. You, who would rather cower in fear and spout ignorant hate.
You enable the atrocities. You allow them to happen with your refusal to see past your own narrow viewpoint.

Fear all you want. Cower and hide your head in the sand all you want. But do not put words in my mouth. My words and actions speak for themselves. You have deemed me an enemy, that is your right and I support it. others will judge me accordingly.

And as I am judged, so shall you be. Your words and actions here speak volumes of your character. That you would slander a person you do not know by fabricating words and deeds are far more damning then anything else.

Go about your life. Be happy. Ignore true evil and focus on the insignificant actions and words of others. Deflect attention from the actual atrocities. Speak from a position of ignorance secure in your personal knowledge that you are safe.
I hope that in your life you never see true evil. That you can tilt at your windmills and think of yourself as a hero, and that you may lay down and die an old man happy in the knowledge that you have lived a good and just life.

As for me, I am an American. I will fight true injustice and evil where I see it, and I will sleep soundly each night in the knowledge that I have done the best that I can to live a good life.

Wyrd on June 16, 2006 at 10:36 PM

OK RD,

You are “creeped-out” because you are a creep. Hey, now, that wasn’t an insult so don’t get mad. After all, you have professed that you posess creepish qualities…that you are “creeped-out”, hence you are indeed one CREEP! Don’t get MAD now, we are playing by your rules, friend.

Let’s have some linguistic fun. Please post your ethnic background and relgion. Let’s push the envelope to where you feel slghted by implied double intenre regarding your the uncouth amongst your heritage. Hey now, we are simply DISCUSSING the existence of the uncouth and creepish amongst your ancestory, and rather than apologize if you feel hurt, let’s discuss the linguistic implications of you have the right to feel insulted, rather than simply apologize for any unintended insult.

The key here is the intent behind the words, not the words themselves. So let’s see if you can walk the talk or just talk the talk .

So, creeped-out one, do you have the guts to accept the challenge?

Please state for the record your race and religion. Let’s see if you can take you dish out…

Dahvid on June 16, 2006 at 10:49 PM

Right on, Michelle!

Patterico on June 16, 2006 at 11:19 PM

If you want to see real anti-Semitism take a look at this “cartoon” at Daily Kos.

Capitalist Infidel on June 17, 2006 at 5:02 AM

Dahvid,

I am a politically conservertive and practicing jewish man. I really do not see any offense in Ann’s comment. There are so many real antisemitec writings and rantings out there….While I appreciate your comment about “subtelty” in this case that dog won’t hunt..

robo on June 17, 2006 at 9:47 AM

People who wade into any Ann Coulter work just looking for a reason to be offended are sure to find manna. It is just as if I were to visit the ACLU web site seeking reason to have grey matter spatter on the ceiling above me, I would surely find it there.

I have a serious case of “Jonesin” for both Ann and Michelle that is in exact opposite correspondence to what I feel for, say, Susan Estrich. All she has to do is open her mouth and the first consonant or vowel that comes forth is cause for nausea. I’m expecting to be offended by her.

The difference that defines the appropriate, measured conservative reaction to words and claims that might offend is that conservatives will look for factual or historical information to use in rebuttal. The PC/Liberal means of response is reactionarily juvenile and intentionally off-point because there is no factual or historical response that negates truth.

kdaddy on June 17, 2006 at 12:35 PM

testing I just lost a post.

birdman on June 17, 2006 at 12:56 PM

Dahvid: I am a Gentile My mother was Italian my father Welsh-Norwegan. I have known many anti-Semitic people and guess what a lot of them didn’t like me or my mother because of being Italian. One reason being becaus the Italian girls were always hot. I worked in Atl. Cty. in the casinos, most of the customers have money to burn, most of the clentele ore Jewish. Does anyone know why? Yes a lot of Jews are smart. IT’S BECAUSE JEWS ARE HARD WORKING DECENT PEOPLE. The Jews learned a long, long time ago whenthe Temple was destrou they Most people

birdman on June 17, 2006 at 1:10 PM

I’ve always liked MM’s blog. I had high hopes for hotair, but this is pathetically sad. I already unsubscribed from Vent last week and now I can’t even take the blog or its comments. I am going to take Michelle’s advice from above (for different reasons) and going elsewhere for my blogging needs.

Allah: We apparently can’t delete our own accounts here, so please do it for me. Thank you.

Moto Oda on June 17, 2006 at 4:37 PM

I just posted to the thread related to Michelle’s vent on Ann - now in the vault. I hoped to clarify my position on the flaming, which seems to have carried over to this thread. Read my post if you care to.

Moto Oda’s post makes my point.

Our posts here reflect on Michelle’s reputation, not ours.

dman on June 19, 2006 at 1:32 PM