Going Nuclear
posted at 9:25 am on June 14, 2006 by Bryan
Rudy Guiliani speech is starting to lay out his vision for the presidency. It’s nuclear!
Summing up U.S. energy policy since the 1970s, he was blunt: “We haven’t done anything.” We haven’t drilled in Alaska. We haven’t built oil refineries. We haven’t ordered a nuclear power plant since 1978.
We need to start doing these things, he said, to diversify. Energy independence, he said, is simply the “wrong paradigm,” despite the idea’s popularity in quarters of both the Left and the Right. Instead, in a global economy, “We have to diversify, that’s our strength . . . You can be independent by being diversified.”
And there’s room to reach out to the Left on building more nuclear plants now. The technology has grown safer – and nuclear use could reduce emissions that lead to global warming. Giuliani cited support for the idea from the liberal New York Times columnist Tom Friedman and Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore (though, to be fair, Moore has been something of a pariah on the enviro Left since he left that group in 1986).
He’s more right that wrong about all this. The fact is–lefties, especially should note–if you want to reduce our dependence on Middle Eastern oil, you have to either a) find oil elsewhere; b) buy it from other existing sources; c) produce more oil from known US sources; or d) use something other than oil. The left seems content to block oil exploration anywhere in the US including the otherwise useless and less than picturesque ANWR, doesn’t want us drilling offshore in California or anywhere else where we already know there’s oil to be had, and doesn’t want us using nuclear power. That leaves using some magical alternative energy source that doesn’t yet exist (or ramping up ethanol, I guess–lefties, have a problem with that too? I can’t keep all your objections to everything straight this early in the morning.) or buying oil from other than ME sources–like Venezuela and Russia. Great. Let’s prop up a whole other set of dictators with oil money.
So let’s cowboy up and build some nuke plants. I used to scuba dive right next to the Comanche Peak nuke plant in Texas. I only glowed for an hour or two; otherwise–no problem! Seriously, nuke energy is cleaner and safer and cheaper than ever.
Guiliani also laid out a solid vision for school choice, which he sees as a civil right. All to the good. I like his thinking on that issue.
He still has some New York cleaning up to do on immigration and guns, though, before he can possibly win a GOP primary in a red state. Abortion and some other social issues too, for that matter. But if he really wants to run for the White House in 08, there’s time to change his tune on those issues. Then again, being Rudy, he may be too stubborn to see the light.
Update: The Bush Admin is pushing through the first couple of six nuke plants to be built–the first in 30 years in the US. Details here, including a pro-nuke cameo by Ted Turner.









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I always thought that eventually they would figure out a way to stick a bunch of nuclear power plants out in the desert somplace, and distribute the power all across the Nation. Must be too much money still to be made in the oil, coal, and natural gas industries.
NRA4Freedom on June 14, 2006 at 9:57 AM
The Politically Incorrect Guide to Science has a couple of chapters dealing with Nuclear power and it’s amazing to see how safe they really are. Like global warming the eco-nuts make a big deal about nothing. Nuclear doesnt produce hardly any waste and is much more efficient. Solar and wind are almost worthless when you read about how much they actually put out.
2wylde on June 14, 2006 at 10:01 AM
Read Rudy’s boook on leadership. I don’t know how you can read that book and NOT think this guy has what it takes to be President. Is he perfect? No one is. Heck, many “conservatives” wrote and said scathing things about Reagan back in the day as well. I mean come on. Who do you want? John Mc Rino or Rudy. So… he thinks differently about some social issues. Big whoop.
Two important things: Will he aggressively continue the war on terror? (A: Yup) What kind of Supreme Court Justices will he nominate? (A: Probably ones we’ll like)
Run Rudy Run
Sugar Land on June 14, 2006 at 10:04 AM
As I was sitting on the beach the other day, I counted at least 4 offshore rigs just within my view. Our beach is lovely, clean and the water is clear. People who want to fish offshore flock to the rigs because they create artificial reefs where the fish thrive. Just five miles offshore, one can catch dorado, snapper, amberjack, and even small billfish. To me, the rigs are a beautiful sight, not a blight on the horizon. I know that Texas is doing its part. To me, rigs and refineries equal excellent jobs and economic growth for my town and south texas.
What makes me sick is that China is drilling off the coast of Florida. Mexico is getting into the action as well. And we are sitting on our butts complaining about the cost of gasoline!! I don’t know much about drilling, but i do know that it is MUCH cleaner than it used to be and that spills are few and far between.
Someone needs to explain to me WHY our President can’t sign an emergency executive order to open up drilling in ANWAR, Florida and California. Oh yea, I forgot. He doesn’t have the balls to do it.
pullingmyhairout on June 14, 2006 at 10:07 AM
We cannot get nuclear until we get rid of the RINO and take back the Senate. Until then, the moonbats and the Democrats will tie down every permit and drag us down another downward spiral again, and they will be supported by the RINOs too.
Giuliani, think enforcement, border, and security. But you are not going to be nominated anyway, so …nevermind.
easy87us on June 14, 2006 at 10:08 AM
pullingmyhairout,
God Bless Texas:) And … of course Wyoming:)
wytammic on June 14, 2006 at 10:21 AM
wytammic,
right you are!!
I’m all for new energy sources. nuclear, wind, solar, and of course, our old stand-by – natural gas (which is clean burning) and oil, baby!
pullingmyhairout on June 14, 2006 at 10:30 AM
Liberals don’t want us to be energy independent. Their goal is to take the United States down a few notches. All the left fringe groups that have been marginalized like the communists have jumped into the enviornmentalist wacko movement. It’s the only way they can get any kind of “respect.”
Capitalist Infidel on June 14, 2006 at 10:35 AM
We need a nuke grid to power the plug-in hybrid electric cars.
We also need a national water grid to offset the flood/drought cycles that we experience periodically. Power the pumps for the water grid by the nuke grid.
We need vision and leadership to get things like this done. The last time we did that was when Ike built the interstates. (Ike’s/JFK’s space program was important, but not on a national scale.) Perhaps Rudy is the man to do it, if he can overcome his baggage. But it won’t be easy – these are very different times.
dman on June 14, 2006 at 10:50 AM
Giuliani, the liberal left has NO ISSUE to run on now. They are on the wrong side of every issue and we sure ain’t gonna give them something to run on.
Beside, coal burning is clean and coal is abundant. The moonbats got us into burning coal in past 30 years and I think we should keep burning coal….LOL..
That is the primary and only reason why we must not sign that stupid Kyoto accord. We almost got checkmate by the liberals!
Consider us lucky for ducking a bullet. This one is credited to Bush.
easy87us on June 14, 2006 at 10:54 AM
You were you own dive light?
The Kennedys don’t want windmills off the coast, how about a nuclear facility in their backyard as an alternative? My guess is the windmills would begin to sound pretty good.
High Desert Wanderer on June 14, 2006 at 10:55 AM
Nuclear energy is certainly safe and generates low/no emissions, but there is always waste. From spent fuel rods, to clothing, to tools…contaminated wastes from a nuclear plant must be dealt with. This is the major drawback of nuclear energy (not to mention the relatively short life span). Nobody wants that stuff in their backyards.
President Bush did open up the waste disposal site in Nevada a couple of years ago, but tons of radioactive wastes are still being stored above ground at all active (and some inactive) nuclear plants around the country waiting for transport to Nevada. But that site will not be available forever. What do we do then?
In addition, nuclear energy is really not that advantageous from an economic point of view. The plants are expensive to build, operate, and maintain. Power companies don’t see great returns on their investment, hence the lack of orders for new plants.
I think there are other forms of energy generation that will soon become more popular to pursue than nuclear. Nuclear is fast becoming a dinosaur. Too bad. :(
Scotty G on June 14, 2006 at 10:57 AM
easy87us: I believe it was Clinton who first refused to sign Kyoto. We have to give “the devil” his due.
dman on June 14, 2006 at 11:01 AM
Oops,sorry .. according to Wikipedia, Clinton did sign it but the Senate did not ratify it. You’re right, easy87us.
Scotty, what alternate energy sources (other than nuclear) can replace the AMOUNT of energy we are currently deriving from fossil fuels (oil, natural gas, and coal)? Wind, solar, and geothermal are drops in the bucket.
dman on June 14, 2006 at 11:14 AM
Honestly, given our other options, he might still win a red state. That is if he just comes out against amnesty. If he were to do that, I believe the red states (being a red-stater myself) will overlook quite a few other things.
S_que on June 14, 2006 at 11:23 AM
Pullinghair, good point about fish and artificial reefs. The pipeline in Alska has the same effect on those poor helpless caribou that the lefties are so concerned about. We can’t drill in ANWR ’cause it’ll harm the caribou, yet they love the other oil pipeline. Libs just can’t accept the facts in front of them (like tax cuts improving the economy, fighting terror to make us safer, etc)
Tony737 on June 14, 2006 at 11:41 AM
Dman…I believed Clinton endorsed the Kyoto but was tabled by the House….
and Bush killed it….
I hope my memory is not going out that fast…LOL
easy87us on June 14, 2006 at 11:46 AM
I’ve always thought that if the first use of nuclear power had NOT been the bomb, nuclear power would not be so eevil in the eyes of the moonbat brigade.
Ellen on June 14, 2006 at 12:03 PM
easy87us, I guess the relevant point is that the Dims now want Kyoto, and Bush has blocked it so far.
BTW S_que: I could also see myself supporting Rudy if he dropped amnesty. (Big “if”.) He’s not perfect, but neither were some of our Founding Fathers (like Ben Franklin, et al). The nation needs leadership, and Rudy just might be the person to provide it.
dman on June 14, 2006 at 12:05 PM
Why on Earth are we talking about somebody ‘changing their tune’ for an election. I like Rudy but he is NOT a conservative on many issues and changing his tune just to get elected will not get conservative policy implimented.
As for nuclear power: I shudder to raiuse them as example of ANYTHING, but the French settled on a cookie-cutter nuclear power plant design long ago and built scores of the same design for a LOT cheaper and faster than any of our plants. Time we did the same thing.
Mike O on June 14, 2006 at 12:19 PM
I’ve always been wary of Rudy because of the 2A issue, but I REALLY liked what he said about both energy and education, and how he said it. He’s right that both Democrats and suburban Republicans need to be more open to school choice.
juliesa on June 14, 2006 at 12:24 PM
pebble bed reactors. nuff said.
Asmodeus on June 14, 2006 at 12:41 PM
Bryan: I saw you on TV the other day, you were one cool dude. Over the last 30 yrs or so we have lost about half our refining power for oil. We had over 300 refineres in the US, now we are down to like 150. If we have the oil we can’t refine it. We are facing a power plant crisis in this country, over the last 30 yrs we haven’t built any new power plants fueled by any form of energy, be it Nuclear, or conventional fual. Rudy G in his heart may be pro life, but to get eleted in the North East he may feel you have to be pro choice. Bryan, you said that “Rudy he may be too stubborn too see the light.” I have a problem with this, I belive many in the GOP base will have the same problem. Al Gore and Bill Clinton both were pro choise but to run for President as a Dem both had too be pro choice. A man of princlpe, a PRINCE will stand by his princlpes whether right or wrong, will die for his princlpes. I am a very big Rudy fan. If Rudy would change his stand on abortion I will have a lot of soul seaching to do. I am by the way pro life.
birdman on June 14, 2006 at 12:51 PM
I forgot too add in the “70′s” only about 35% of our oil was imported, today about 75% of our oil is imported.
birdman on June 14, 2006 at 1:08 PM
There is no way I am voting for a guy that puts dresses on and pretends to be a woman. In addition, he is another open borders, pro Amnesty, one world government clown that wants to take our guns away.
It will be a cold day in hell…
There is no energy crisis, there is a Congressional Crisis There is no oil shortage. We have all the oil we could ever use up in Alaska and I am not talking about ANWAR.
Back in 1976, Arco Oil discovered the largest oil reserves in the world at Gull Island but the US Government ordered the well capped. Arco also discovered huge natural gas fields that have been ordered by the US Government to be pumped back into the ground. Our own Government has stopped production on the Alaskan North slope and has created this so called Energy Crisis.
Read Jerome Corsi’s Black Gold Stranglehold or Lindsey Williams book to learn about the energy fraud perpetrated by our own Government.
Lyndsey Williams Book is posted online for free:
http://www.reformation.org/energy-non-crisis.html
ScottyDog on June 14, 2006 at 1:30 PM
If there’s one thing that really cemented attitudes against nukes, it had to have been the movie, “The China Syndrome.”
Let’s see, who was in that? Oh yeah, Jane Fonda, Michael Douglas, Jack Lemmon, Al Gore… (well, he should have been!)
DuffBeer on June 14, 2006 at 1:35 PM
Dman asked:
Scotty, what alternate energy sources (other than nuclear) can replace the AMOUNT of energy we are currently deriving from fossil fuels (oil, natural gas, and coal)? Wind, solar, and geothermal are drops in the bucket.
I’m not suggesting there are other sources immediately available that can produce more energy than fossil fuels. But there ARE other sources, both currently available and theoretical that will eventually replace fossil fuels. At least we should HOPE that we an replace them, since the libs won’t allow us to exploit our own energy potential (which leaves us at the mercy of foreign nations)!
Scotty G on June 14, 2006 at 1:42 PM
In 1997, with President Clinton in office, the Senate voted 95-0 against Kyoto. Please note that Sen. Byrd (now the longest serving Sen. in the U.S. history) was a sponser, with Sen. Hagel of the ‘against’ bill.
http://www.nationalcenter.org/KyotoSenate.html
Entelechy on June 14, 2006 at 3:19 PM
Missing the spell-checker again – should have been ‘sponsor’ of the Kyoto bill.
Entelechy on June 14, 2006 at 3:25 PM
You know talk about Nuke plants is all fine and good, but cheap. Lets start building them already.
We can also refine and improve concepts like bio-diesel, ethanol and that pig-shit diesel & methane those scientists came up with. Considering the problems animal waste poses for the environment, by finding a use for it, you’d kill a couple of birds with one stone.
Oh and while we’re upgrading our energy sources, we should harden them against EMP attacks and run lines underground to prevent storm interruption.
Iblis on June 14, 2006 at 3:43 PM
Scotty,
I agree that we need alternate sources. We need to make the switch without shutting down the economy. The replacements must be practical. For example, the windmills on California’s Altimonte Pass were killing birds. Sen. Kennedy feels they would spoil his view off of Hyanis Port. Solar cells have gotten much better, but they are still expensive, and less than 10% efficient. Bio-fuels require substantial energy to farm and refine them.
Nuclear technology has improved greatly since Three Mile Island. Recycling the waste is still not quite there, but for the time being we can store it in Iran and Saudi Arabia :-) With oil approaching $100 per barrel, it’s time to take another look at it.
dman on June 14, 2006 at 7:12 PM
I’m a diehard liberal (and a New Yorker who voted for Giuliani twice and would have sent him to the Senate over Hillary, had he run), and I completely agree with Rudy’s pro-nuclear stance. A lot of people who commented are, typically, misrepresenting what the left wants or stands for – energy independence/alternative fuels is a top issue on the left, if not *the* top issue, because it solves so many problems.
Say we replace oil with a portfolio of nuclear, wind, solar, biofuel, etc. We’re not giving money to Iran and Saudi Arabia; we’re not contributing as much to global warming; we’re creating non-offshorable American jobs harnessing the energy. Everybody wins, except Exxon-Mobil, but they’re basically a horse-and-buggy manufacturer in 1900 – history’s passing them by. They can either jump on alternative fuels like BP and other compaines have, or enjoy their dwindling market while they can.
Now, to clarify a few things: the left is against drilling in ANWAR because IT WON’T HELP! There’s enough oil there to keep the country going for maybe a few months. I honestly get the impression that ANWAR drilling is intended as a “go fuck yourself” to environmentalists more than a solution to our energy problems.
The left’s concerns about nuclear power are: 1) what do you do with the waste? Carting it all over the country to a mountainside and hoping nothing goes wrong along the way isn’t a good enough answer. Someone has to find a way to render this stuff non-harmful, or at least harmful for less than 100 years. 2) what happens if the Republicans deregulate the nuke industry to the point where there aren’t succificient safety protections? Coal might burn clean, but it sure as hell doesn’t come out of the ground clean, and the coal industry has so much political muscle in coal-rich states that there’s very little oversight, and not much to stop them from flooding small towns in coal dust. Now that’s bad, but turning small towns into 3 Mile Island or Chernobyl is much worse. Basically, build nuke plans, just make sure Homer Simpson doesn’t get put in charge of safety.
Back to Giuliani for a minute. He is pro gun-control, which is a big part of why New York is now the safest large city in America. That doesn’t mean he “wants to take your guns away.” What you have to understand is, New York is different from middle America. There are no hunters in Brooklyn. If you own a gun, you’re either in the NYPD or the Bloods. What Rudy fought to do wasn’t to take guns away from responsible gun owners – it was to stop the flood of illegal guns from out-of-state into the hands of drug dealers and criminals. Come to think of it, that’s pretty much exactly what the Democrats have been trying to do all this time the right has been hand-wringing about “taking your guns away.”
As for school choice, again, New York is a different animal from the rest of the country. We have hundreds of public schools in a few square miles, ranging from some of the best in the country to some of the worst. So every 8th grader applies to their high school of choice like they’re applying to college. The smart hardworking kids get into the elite high schools, the slackers get into the run-of-the-mill ones, but it’s based entirely on aptitude, not money.
Bush’s voucher program, by contrast, simply gives upper-middle-class kids better access to private schools. A voucher of a few hundred bucks isn’t going to pay private school tuition for a working-class kid, so it’s of no help.
Anyway, I do really like Guiliani, and would love to see him run. But that’s mostly because he’d represent a sea change in Republican politics. Besides specific issues he disagrees with Bush and the hard right on, Rudy has a different overall philosophy: he believes in good government, and he’s effective at delivering it. We should be so lucky as to have someone like that in office.
schroeder on June 15, 2006 at 4:05 PM