Haditha: If Bush isn’t responsible then the terrorists have already won
posted at 3:00 pm on June 4, 2006 by Allahpundit
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I wrote about this a few days ago so I won’t rehash the argument, but there is something in the Times’s editorial today that bears mentioning:
This affair cannot simply be dismissed as the spontaneous cruelty of a few bad men…
So far, nothing in President Bush’s repeated statements on the issue offers any real assurance that the White House and the Pentagon will not once again try to protect the most senior military and political ranks from proper accountability. This is the pattern that this administration has repeatedly followed in the past — in the torture scandal at Abu Ghraib, in the beating deaths of prisoners at Bagram air base in Afghanistan and in the serial abuses of justice and constitutional principle at Guantánamo Bay.
The overwhelming majority of American troops in Iraq are dedicated military professionals, doing their best to behave correctly under extraordinarily difficult circumstances. Their good name requires a serious inquiry, not another deflection of blame to the lowest-ranking troops on the scene.
Neat trick, that. If the investigation doesn’t implicate anyone at the top of the food chain then it’s not a “serious inquiry.” So far most of the pre-judging has been limited to assuming the suspects did what they’re accused of doing; the Times takes it a step further and pronounces the probe a charade unless Rumsfeld or Pace ends up being frogmarched out of the Pentagon.
Why? Because the honor of American soldiers demands nothing less.
Like I said the other day:
Even here, after they’ve pronounced the Marines guilty, they’re afraid to blame them for what happened. It’s Bush’s fault: he created the “climate of impunity,” he “sent the message,” and never you mind that magnificent 99% … whom the so-called message never reached.
They can’t have it be an isolated incident, they can’t allow for the possibility that it’s limited to a few bad apples and some midlevel commanders because then the blame falls squarely on the guilty parties themselves. Which leaves the Times and its constituents double-bound: not only does it force them to acknowledge that American soldiers (volunteers, no less) do in fact have moral agency and therefore are partly responsible for the war the left hates so much, but it offers them no way to exploit the incident for political purposes. How can they call for a pullout if the plague of renegade soldiers going berserk from exhaustion isn’t a plague? How can they blame Bush or Rumsfeld for creating a “climate of impunity” (in the Nation’s words) if there’s no climate of impunity? The actions of the other 99.9% of U.S. forces in Iraq should count as evidence on that point, no?
My ignorance of military culture prevents me from answering the following myself so I’ll throw it open to milbloggers and our readers in the armed forces. Have you “gotten the message” that you should feel free to shoot Iraqi infants in the head if it pleases you to do so? Has the torture at Abu Ghraib created a “climate of impunity” in your mind that leads you to believe gunning down Arab civilians in cold blood is appropriate, and will result in no adverse consequences to yourself? Let me know in the comments or by e-mail and I’ll print the responses, because I have a crazy hunch this “green light” argument is so much bullshit manufactured by Bush-haters as cover for their agenda.
We end with our friend Andrew, who seems to think either (a) American soldiers have it tougher in Iraq than they did in World War II, or (b) American soldiers today just can’t quite resist those impulses to massacre the way their forbears in Germany and Japan could:
He cannot acknowledge that his own war policy — of just enough troops to lose — has created a war of attrition in Iraq in which soldiers are often overwhelmed and demoralised and stretched to the limit, and so more than usually vulnerable to the psychic snaps that sometimes lead to atrocities.
For more, see Patterico, the American Thinker, and Greyhawk, who turns the beat around. Meanwhile, submitted for your approval:

Couldn’t wait for the charges to be filed, I guess.
Update: Steyn on Haditha:
I would hazard that Martin Terrazas is far more typical of the families of American forces in Iraq [than Cindy Sheehan]: A man who can’t bear to pick up an American newspaper, or listen to a radio news bulletin, or watch a political talk show, because every square peg of an event is being hammered into the round hole of the same narrative, the only narrative our culture knows: This is Vietnam, it’s a quagmire, we can’t win, and the longer we delay losing and scuttling and getting the hell outta there, the more wicked things we will do. And, lookie here, whaddaya know, here comes the Sunni version of the My Lai massacre.
If you haven’t watched it yet, set aside some time for KING5 Seattle’s interview with Lance Cpl. James Crossan. Crossan was with Kilo Company in Haditha on November 19, 2005; he was grievously injured by the same bomb that killed Martin Terrazas’s son. He knows the Marines being investigated for the alleged massacre and claims to have spoken with them only recently. He has every reason to push the blame off of his friends and onto the brass or the president himself. But when asked for his theory on what happened, what did he say?
“I think they were blinded by hate . . . and they just lost control.”
No matter. It’s Bush’s fault. It has to be.
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Can we question their patriotism yet?
Capitalist Infidel on June 4, 2006 at 3:24 PM
No. You cannot. Neither can I.
Can I question Kerry’s patriotism after he openly admitted abut the atrocities he had done in Vietnam? No.
Committing war crime is not a proof of not patriotic. It is only a proof of committing war crime.
One group of soldiers committing a war crime does not mean the entire military committed war crime.
I suggest Michelle and the rest to pipe down until the case is settled.
Until you understand what Kerry went through in Nam, or what our troops face every day in fighting terrorism, you should wait for the truth.
One girl in the victim’s family apparently said she knew of the IED before it exploded, to the press.
Now,how far more do you want to accuse the military before the case is fully investigated?
easy87us on June 4, 2006 at 4:08 PM
Liberals are right!
I think the U.S. should disband its military, renounce violence, disavow (shudder!) owning a gun, and we must all, every morning, dance around the Mulberry bush holding hands while singing Kumbaya.
ForYourEdification on June 4, 2006 at 4:11 PM
Here is the link to the detail:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/6/3/111600.shtml?s=ic
easy87us on June 4, 2006 at 4:11 PM
ForYourEdification; May be you need to convince Hillary Clinton first. She is against everything you post here.
In fact, over 95% of the Democrats voted for using military force on Iraq.
easy87us on June 4, 2006 at 4:14 PM
“Understand what Kerry went through in Nam?”
Kerry came home alive, with all his limbs and sight.
That’s a helleva lot more than thousands of other REAL American heroes, who did not slander their country and comrades.
PHOOEY on Kerry!
ForYourEdification on June 4, 2006 at 4:15 PM
“PHOOEY on Kerry!”
I have the same opinion…LOL…
His acts, no matter how repugnant as they appear, do not consititute a proof that he is not patriotic.
it is hard to be rational…
easy87us on June 4, 2006 at 4:32 PM
You know I have been waiting silently, mostly, hoping for everyone to allow the investigations to go forward and the evidence to be analyzed.
But the MSM obviously don’t want to do that.
I’m old enough to remember My Lai in the news and have read accounts of No Gun Ri, heard the crap from J.F.Kerry and the Winter Soldier investigation and I’m sure whatever else one can find googling “war atrocities”.
The one thing that strikes me is the number of draftees in both of those conflicts. In Korea the number was approximately 1.8 million compared to 1.3 million volunteers.
In Viet Nam about 1/3 were draftees.
From Real Clear Politics
(hope the html tags work)
The draft, interestingly enough at the time, was being overseen basically by the democratic party.
So why is this relevant?
Well the number of draftees in Iraq is zero, none, nada.
I would think, and believe most people would concur, that the highest probability of “atrocities” and mistakes in judgement, confusion about the rules of engagement, would be higher among the group who didn’t want to be there.
In other words conscripted non-professional soldiers.
I find it no surprise then that in the past errors in judgment and confusion over when to fire would occur with drafted non-professional troops.
The Iraq war is different in this respect, that the troops on the ground are volunteers and therefore have an interest in and pride in being professional.
I think it highly unlikely that professional soldiers would behave in this manner.
Cpilot on June 4, 2006 at 4:41 PM
I sometimes watch MS-NBC (the most vociferously anti-Bush TV network) to get an idea of what the enemy is thinking. On Friday, Norah O’Donnell (the blue-eyed reporter who looks like she had a nose job)was hosting a Hidatha discussion with a cherry-picked panel which, naturally, came up with a conclusion somewhat similar to the news artixle.
1 Haditha couldn’t have been an isolated incident.
2 What is happening that makes the Marines act so barbarously? HINT HINT The wrong war at the wrong place at the wrong time.So, let’s get out.
3 Who is ultimately reponsible? HINT HINT you can’t really blame just lowly privates and lance corporals. You have to look to their superiors and beyond UP UP UP to, you guessed it, Rumsfeld and Bush.
The panel was careful to use the word “alleged” but you knew that, if they have any religion at all, they are praying for the incident to be true and ,hopefully, (from their point of view) the more the merrier.
MaiDee on June 4, 2006 at 5:35 PM
So…let me get this straight…”He cannot acknowledge that his own war policy — of just enough troops to lose — has created a war of attrition in Iraq in which soldiers are often overwhelmed and demoralised and stretched to the limit, and so more than usually vulnerable to the psychic snaps that sometimes lead to atrocities.”
That is really a neat projection, enotionally speaking. The Left has been vehemently outspoken against our efforts to confront Terrorism, and hopefully keep it at bay, away from our shores.
But it’s not the Left’s anti-war stance that has had a demoralizing effect on our troops-No! It’s that President Bush is guilty of not sending ENOUGH troops into harm’s way to clear up the trifling mess!
That’s almost as insulting as some Leftists referring to our Volunteer Forces as young kids who signed up but didn’t know what they were getting into, the poor little dears.
No matter how the Left drags down our country through the effluence of their opinions, we are doing a great work in fighting terrorism; not just for our own good, but for the good of the world. My hope is that our troops ignore the anti-war losers, and hear from us of how proud we are of them.
“Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends.”
We should honor that greater love; our soldiers are living and sometimes dying not for the Army, nor for the Commander in Chief, but for all of us.
Doug on June 4, 2006 at 5:38 PM
Oh, where to begin!
I will question John Kerry’s patriotism. An American patriot does not falsely accuse his country of war atrocities. A true patriot does not lie about the performance of the military. A real patriot does not flip-flop on national security issues. A real patriot does not use his medals and 4 months in Vietnam as a launching pad for his political advancement. A true patriot would not call the war in Vietnam immoral when it was politically expedient, then brag about his service in the same war so that he could look good in his run for president. A true patriot would not make up wild stories that obviously false and then claim the event is “seared, seared” in his memory.
If Kerry is such a patriot, why didn’t he finish his tour in Vietnam? Why did he request (and receive) an early out to run for political office? Why does he never miss a chance to echo and perpetuate every disrespectful utterance of every America hater in the world?
Not only will I challenge his patriotism, I will challenge his motivations for going to Vietnam in the first place. Did he go to help spread freedom? Did he go to do his part in stopping the spread of Communism? Did he go because he felt the patriotic desire to serve his country? No, no, and no. Kerry felt he must go in order to make himself look like his hero, JFK. It would punch a ticket so that he could sell himself as a war hero when he came back to run for political office.
John Kerry belongs to the America-hating Socialist faction in this country that will say anything and do anything to gain and hold power.
If you want patriots, real patriots, real heroes, go to Walter Reed Army Hospital or Bethesda Naval Hospital. As was mentioned earlier, these are all volunteers, who knew full well the danger involved in serving their country. They didn’t go for self-aggrandizement. They didn’t go for political expediency. They certainly don’t do it to get rich. They do it out of patriotic love for their country, freedom and democracy. Mr. Tereza Heinz does not hold a candle to any of them.
Liberty (LCDR Charles Bloomer, USN (Ret.))
Liberty Call US on June 4, 2006 at 6:53 PM
*sigh*
Capitalist Infidel’s question is good: “Can we question their patriotism yet?”
violet on June 4, 2006 at 7:13 PM
President Bush is guilty not only of sending too few troops to do the job, but he has interfered with virtually each of his generals’ vital decisions, meddled with military decisions to search and destroy the enemy (Al-Sadr, Fallujah, etc.), and generally stood in the way of every politically INcorrect (but necessary) decision his top level commanders have made. Which explains why he replaces them at the frequency with which I change my bed sheets.
George Bush may be Commander-in-Chief, but his propensity to be politically correct makes him a very poor commander.
Think about how World War II might have turned out had Truman concerned himself with politics instead of doing what had to be done.
ForYourEdification on June 4, 2006 at 7:13 PM
These men,our men, are blessed rough men doing this job for us.They are fighting in this dry and hard land of mutant head-cutters,masked monsters, true barbarians,these sandblasted people who send their children out to blow our men to pieces: who bomb metro buses and restaurants and high school children on their way to finals-who slay small children as though they were goats, and do it daily–who use their own women and children as casual killing machines.
Our men are jagged and rough and they HAVE to be that way.
I dont know what happened in Haditha but I know these rough men have a right to tell their story–and our politicians have a DUTY to listen. And I would trust the word of any US soldier before I would the word of any politician, US or otherwise.And certainly before the media.
lizzee on June 4, 2006 at 7:38 PM
At the risk of sounding like some whining lefty…
Sometimes it causes me anguish to even see the ‘News’ and know all the things they aren’t saying.
I would scream… but I have a blog so I do that.
But urinating into the wind to 300 readers can sometimes be… exhausting.
So I come to Hot Air and read Allah Pundit, turn up the air conditioning to cool my temper…
…and feel a lot better.
Thanks guy…
DANEgerus on June 4, 2006 at 7:48 PM
Have you “gotten the message” that you should feel free to shoot Iraqi infants in the head if it pleases you to do so? Has the torture at Abu Ghraib created a “climate of impunity” in your mind that leads you to believe gunning down Arab civilians in cold blood is appropriate, and will result in no adverse consequences to yourself?
For seven months in 2003, I was in Iraq as a Marine and I will state unequivocally for the record. NO SUCH “MESSAGE” WAS ISSUED. Quite the opposite, in fact. Rent 21 Days to Baghdad, CNN’s (hastily produced, but mostly accurate) documentary of the initial invasion. Pay special attention to the chapter entitled, “They’re not playing by the rules” which highlights the very real consternation we felt when insurgents took to hijacking ambulances for bombing runs and hid in civilian clothing, contrary to international law of land warfare. But as as it offended our professional sensibilities, we responded by upping our own standards, not lowering ourselves to their level.
The balance of atrocities has been, and will always be tilted towards the insurgents. Period.
Kadnine on June 4, 2006 at 7:56 PM
That should read, “But as much as it offended our professional sensibilities…”
Kadnine on June 4, 2006 at 7:58 PM
–”insurgents took to hijacking ambulances for bombing runs and hid in civilian clothing, contrary to international law of land warfare. But as as it offended our professional sensibilities, we responded by upping our own standards, not lowering ourselves to their level.”
The balance of atrocities has been, and will always be tilted towards the insurgents. Period.
Kadnine on June 4, 2006 at 7:56 PM
Thank you,much, for your service to a country which I sometimes—feel doesn’t deserve you.But Im sure glad you’re there.
lizzee on June 4, 2006 at 8:08 PM
“Their good name requires a serious inquiry, not another deflection of blame to the lowest-ranking troops on the scene.”
Of course, these are the same people who believe with the same sobriety that all violent crimes deserve a “serious inquiry” of better-off people and society as a whole, and not a “deflection of blame” to the lowest felons on the scene.
HitNRun on June 4, 2006 at 8:13 PM
Comments from the like of ‘ForYourEdification’remind me of why I come to different blogs and comment. Parroting the opinions
heard at Kos or Huffinton, some like this ForYourEdification believe they are making sense. Nope. Just the same emotional nonsense the Left specializes in. Too many troops/too few troops/ just few enough to lose the war. Idiotic and wrong. Also, the Military calls the shots about how to conduct the war-the President sets the objectives, and the Military accomplishes them.
Now, having made ForYourEdification’s week by actually paying attention for a moment, I go back to ignoring him/her/it.
Doug on June 4, 2006 at 10:27 PM
If Bush is responsible for what happend in Al Haditha, does that mean Clinton is responsible for the massacre at Waco Tx. in 1993, and President Johnson, was responsible for the My Lai Massacre in 1968?
ZSQUAD on June 4, 2006 at 10:42 PM
ZSQUAD…good shot.
Fair and balanced.
easy87us on June 4, 2006 at 11:39 PM
God in Heaven,
The events and issues in this country today are bigger than we, as a country of mere men, can solve. Open our eyes as individuals and as a country, to see your truth clearly — to see your perspective. Wake us up as people to speak the truth in our democracy, so that our country speaks and does your will. Help us put Godless thinking to rest with reason, to be courageous and strong and direct with Your truths. Help us make peace and find unity in accordance with your will. Help us fight just wars with your strength, conviction, and effectiveness when it is in line with your will. Let the voice of Your Truth prevail above all else in this land.
Amen
CountryDoc on June 5, 2006 at 12:01 AM
From ‘Doug’: “Now, having made ForYourEdification’s week by actually paying attention for a moment, I go back to ignoring him/her/it.”
TO Doug: Don’t flatter yourself. You would “make my week” if you visited a library to get your facts straight before posting opinion masquerading as information. If you did, you would realize that the military “calls the shots” ONLY when the President allows it to — because (BULLETIN!) the President is the Commander-in-Chief of the military. As in, “He is the boss!” As in, “You are fired for disobeying.”
If you actually believe that generals run things, I suggest you pick up a book, visit a library or Google “Truman vs. MacArthur” and read who won that little debate (HINT: The civilian PRESIDENT).
You called my blog “idiotic and wrong” but it seems your knowledge of history, protocol and how government ACTUALLY works is nil. So I’ll say it again for those who fell into your trap: The PRESIDENT is the boss! In the end, the PRESIDENT runs the military. And any general who thinks otherwise goes to the head of the unemployment line without passing “GO!”
This is not a question of “making sense”; it is a question of fact.
ForYourEdification on June 5, 2006 at 8:12 AM
Don’t be shy, question their patriotism! Straw men burn easy.
Brian on June 5, 2006 at 10:38 AM
ForYourEdification,
The myth of Bush sending to few troops will not stand up in history!
The war is won fair and square. A new democratically elected government is formed. The troops have performed superbly in this war but the liberal still say “the war is still going on!”
The war of Iraq has been fought and won long , long time ago. it is the beginning of the war in global terrorism. How can the liberals be so stupid to trap themself into an arguement that won’t stand upto the test of history? They keep on confusing between the war on global terrorism and the war in Iraq?
Insurgents planting IEDs here and there and exploded them for the MSM to make news is not a valid proof whether we have sufficient troops or not. The results are. With the forming of the new Iraqi government and 200000 Iraqis trained to start taking over the security of their own country, I would say that we have accomplished our mission with sufficient troops. No one can argue with success.
Come on, dude, accept the reality. the war in Iraq has been over long time ago. In fact, when Bush said the mission is over he should have emphasized that the war in Iraq is over, but the war on globalterrorism has just begun.
If the liberal insisted on the logic that the war is won only after all insurgents have been terminated, then I think they are stuck on stupid. There are still Nazi thugs in Germany and we still have troops in that country. Is WWII over yet? Well, based on liberals’ logic, WWI is not over until every Nazis thug( who still beating up Jews in Germany) is terminated.
Silly liberals.
easy87us on June 5, 2006 at 10:52 AM
“when Bush said the mission is over he should have emphasized that the war in Iraq is over, but the war on globalterrorism has just begun”
Actually, that’s what he did say when he started it, easy87us. The prognosis for the GWOT was a long war sometimes ebbing, sometimes flowing, sometimes visible, sometimes not, but always going forward. I don’t think that I’ve ever heard him say that we’ve reached a point where we can see the shape that the end will take.
As to your last point, the Marine Corps, during WWII, would nutralize organized opposition and move on leaving the mop up for the garrison forces. It sped things up considerably.
Mike H. on June 5, 2006 at 11:49 AM
Yes, the President is in fact the Commander-in-Chief. All military officers, including generals serve at the pleasure of the President. The President can fire the entire officer corps at his discretion.
What you are seeing now is the flushing of Clinton-era Generals who actively oppose the President. It may be unbelievable to some faux-intellectual semi-historians in this forum, but Generals are not all apolitical. In reality, in order to get selected to the top tier positions, a General must be politically compatible with the President, who makes the appointments. During the Clinton administration, there were several high-level Generals and Admirals who retired rather than serve with or for a President who held diagreeable values. This allowed Clinton picks to float to the top.
The big difference between then and now is that the Flag Officers who retired during Clinton’s presidency were content to return to private life. Today’s retired Generals are among the “hate Bush” crowd and feel the need to stroke their over-inflated egos by attacking the President and his actions. If they were competent instead of politically driven, they might still have jobs.
Liberty Call US on June 5, 2006 at 11:59 AM
None of us were alive at the time, but around 100 years ago the French army had a somewhat similar image problem on its hands in the notorious Dreyfus case.
Captain Dreyfus was accused of espionage, found guilty, stripped of his rank and sentenced to Devil’s Island. It turned out later that he was innocent, but the military authorities tried to cover it up. The author Zola brought it all into the open in his famous J’accuse , a frontpage letter to the President of France, I think it was. Anyway, the case tore France apart along, roughly, a left wing/ right wing divide. On one side, you had people demanding justice for a wrongly convicted man. On the other, you had people insisting that to question the honor of the French Army was tantamount to treason.
Now, history hasn’t dealt kindly with the anti-dreyfusards, the partisans of the army being remembered as a pack of reactionary anti-semitic bigots. Justly, I think.
But I must admit that if this same case had arisen 15 years later, during World War 1 when France was fighting for its life, I’d have hanged Zola in a New York minute and left poor innocent Dreyfus in his tropical slammer.
So in this context, I say that nothing happened in Haditha, and that which didn’t happen always happens in war. Move on.
dhimwit on June 5, 2006 at 1:37 PM
Hmmm.
Bataan death march, Malmedy, Hanoi Hilton……..We rightly condemn these actions. We have the moral authority to condemn them because we attempt to identify and punish atrocities our side commits. If it didn’t happen, who is spreading this garbage? They need to be held accountable. If it did happen, weed them out and hang them high.
Any Marine knows that honor doesn’t come cheap–knowing the right thing to do is easy, doing it is hard.
honora on June 5, 2006 at 2:24 PM
Liberty Call US,
I believe Kerry joined the swift boats becasue the Navy at that time figured they were “toy boats” and would not see any action. Kerry volountered for the sfift boats to emulate JFK, and also to become a “vet” so he could go on to public office. When it turned out that the swift boats actually had a purpose in Vietnam Kerry tried several times to get out of it. This includes his “Frank Burns eggshell in eye” type purple heart.
Most of this is paraphrased from what I have read about the man. Anyone can look it up online.
Honora,
if the Marines committed atrocities then they will be held accountable. They are already held accountable to an almost impossible standard, considering what they have to put up with both abroad and home, and the facts that the terrorist (or insurgants) are not held accountable to any standard.
I would like to see the Soldiers Innocent until proven guilty. Not crucified in the media day after day.
Wyrd on June 6, 2006 at 3:01 PM
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