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		<title>By: ptolemy</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/06/01/three-dumb-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-13059</link>
		<dc:creator>ptolemy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 22:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re Honora:

Thanks!  What an oversight on my part.  Nonetheless, all groups that are significantly large should be included in the tabulation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Honora:</p>
<p>Thanks!  What an oversight on my part.  Nonetheless, all groups that are significantly large should be included in the tabulation.</p>
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		<title>By: honora</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/06/01/three-dumb-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-13022</link>
		<dc:creator>honora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ptolemy:  it&#039;s white protestants, catholics, evangels--assuming non-whites also participated in the sample (duh)--the math isn&#039;t problematic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ptolemy:  it&#8217;s white protestants, catholics, evangels&#8211;assuming non-whites also participated in the sample (duh)&#8211;the math isn&#8217;t problematic.</p>
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		<title>By: shooter</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/06/01/three-dumb-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-12930</link>
		<dc:creator>shooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>from my dad: The masses are asses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from my dad: The masses are asses.</p>
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		<title>By: Shmo</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/06/01/three-dumb-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-12910</link>
		<dc:creator>Shmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 16:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Figures can lie and liars can figure&quot; is the way I heard it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Figures can lie and liars can figure&#8221; is the way I heard it.</p>
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		<title>By: ptolemy</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/06/01/three-dumb-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-12873</link>
		<dc:creator>ptolemy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I teach survey methods among other courses at my university.  I, too, found much of the data presented here didn&#039;t make sense.  I will concentrate on the religious divide concerning whether Bush has been the worst president since WWII.  

According to the Quinnipiac Poll, 34% rated Bush the worst president with the breakdown being 21% among Protestants, 35% among Catholics and 15% among &quot;evangelical&quot; Christians.  Typical national polls will show Protestants, Catholics, and &quot;others and none&quot; comprise about 67%, 25% and 8% of respondents, respectively.  Taking Protestants and Catholics together, 25% would state Bush was the worst.  If every one of the others (Jews, Orthodox, Muslims, none, etc) stated Bush was the worst, the proportion stating Bush would be the worst is only 32 percent, unless &quot;others and none&quot; comprise more than 10% of the sample.  Of course not everyone in this group stated Bush was the worst, although unfortunately no figures are provided in the report.

Even more confusing is that 15% of &quot;Evangelical Christians&quot; think Bush was the worst.  What proportion of the survey sample described themselves thusly?  Some surveys show this would include 40% of Americans, but this proportion could vary considerably depending on how the questions is asked.  Probably 90% in this group is &quot;Protestant&quot; in religious preference.  Is this group counted separately from other &quot;nonevangelical&quot; Protestants or as part of the &quot;Protestant&quot; (and &quot;Catholic&quot; as some Catholics consider themselves evangelical or born-again) total?  If the case is the former, the overall 34% total makes even less sense.

I read the original report via the link provided, but it provides no information on survey methodology or what proportions of the sample fell into each of the survey categories.  It is possible (but extremely unlikely) that 50% of the survey sample fell into the &quot;other category.&quot;   Not to state whether the &quot;evangelicals&quot; were enumerated separately from the other religious groups or are included as subsets of the religious groups is totally irresponsible.  If the &quot;other and none&quot; religious category is large, data on it should have been reported separately along with the other religious groups as well as an observation that this group is an important share, with an exact proportion reported, of the survey sample.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I teach survey methods among other courses at my university.  I, too, found much of the data presented here didn&#8217;t make sense.  I will concentrate on the religious divide concerning whether Bush has been the worst president since WWII.  </p>
<p>According to the Quinnipiac Poll, 34% rated Bush the worst president with the breakdown being 21% among Protestants, 35% among Catholics and 15% among &#8220;evangelical&#8221; Christians.  Typical national polls will show Protestants, Catholics, and &#8220;others and none&#8221; comprise about 67%, 25% and 8% of respondents, respectively.  Taking Protestants and Catholics together, 25% would state Bush was the worst.  If every one of the others (Jews, Orthodox, Muslims, none, etc) stated Bush was the worst, the proportion stating Bush would be the worst is only 32 percent, unless &#8220;others and none&#8221; comprise more than 10% of the sample.  Of course not everyone in this group stated Bush was the worst, although unfortunately no figures are provided in the report.</p>
<p>Even more confusing is that 15% of &#8220;Evangelical Christians&#8221; think Bush was the worst.  What proportion of the survey sample described themselves thusly?  Some surveys show this would include 40% of Americans, but this proportion could vary considerably depending on how the questions is asked.  Probably 90% in this group is &#8220;Protestant&#8221; in religious preference.  Is this group counted separately from other &#8220;nonevangelical&#8221; Protestants or as part of the &#8220;Protestant&#8221; (and &#8220;Catholic&#8221; as some Catholics consider themselves evangelical or born-again) total?  If the case is the former, the overall 34% total makes even less sense.</p>
<p>I read the original report via the link provided, but it provides no information on survey methodology or what proportions of the sample fell into each of the survey categories.  It is possible (but extremely unlikely) that 50% of the survey sample fell into the &#8220;other category.&#8221;   Not to state whether the &#8220;evangelicals&#8221; were enumerated separately from the other religious groups or are included as subsets of the religious groups is totally irresponsible.  If the &#8220;other and none&#8221; religious category is large, data on it should have been reported separately along with the other religious groups as well as an observation that this group is an important share, with an exact proportion reported, of the survey sample.</p>
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		<title>By: Conservative Outpost</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/06/01/three-dumb-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-12847</link>
		<dc:creator>Conservative Outpost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Daily Summary...&lt;/strong&gt;

NEWS: - Bush to back gay marriage ban amendment - Marriage Amendment Could Soothe Angry Right - Senate Bill Would Add 20 Million Legal Immigrants - Anti-Immigration Billboards Sprout in Denver - Illegals&#039; tax deal could kill bill - Schwarzenegger......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Daily Summary&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>NEWS: &#8211; Bush to back gay marriage ban amendment &#8211; Marriage Amendment Could Soothe Angry Right &#8211; Senate Bill Would Add 20 Million Legal Immigrants &#8211; Anti-Immigration Billboards Sprout in Denver &#8211; Illegals&#8217; tax deal could kill bill &#8211; Schwarzenegger&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rowane</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/06/01/three-dumb-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-12826</link>
		<dc:creator>Rowane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Figures don&#039;t lie, but liars DO figure&quot;

Duty, Honor, Country
(in THAT order)
Rowane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Figures don&#8217;t lie, but liars DO figure&#8221;</p>
<p>Duty, Honor, Country<br />
(in THAT order)<br />
Rowane</p>
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		<title>By: Shmo</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/06/01/three-dumb-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-12822</link>
		<dc:creator>Shmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These poll jokers think themseves into stupidity.  I remember when Reagan was president, the polls said everyone hated him because of the MX missle deployment in Euorpe.  I took statistics in college, and the stated &quot;margin of error&quot; numbers don&#039;t always accurately reflect people that lie their ass off.
What you do see though is that many young people reflect what they hear, and that is that politicians are so corrupt and such untrustworthy liars that voting doesn&#039;t really matter anyway.  It&#039;s tweedle dee or trweedle dum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These poll jokers think themseves into stupidity.  I remember when Reagan was president, the polls said everyone hated him because of the MX missle deployment in Euorpe.  I took statistics in college, and the stated &#8220;margin of error&#8221; numbers don&#8217;t always accurately reflect people that lie their ass off.<br />
What you do see though is that many young people reflect what they hear, and that is that politicians are so corrupt and such untrustworthy liars that voting doesn&#8217;t really matter anyway.  It&#8217;s tweedle dee or trweedle dum.</p>
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		<title>By: pullingmyhairout</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/06/01/three-dumb-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-12808</link>
		<dc:creator>pullingmyhairout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carter - double digit inflation, double digit interest rates, gas shortages, iran hostage crisis 
Bush II - record high Dow, cheap money, rockin&#039; economy, no terrorist attack in 5 years, best housing starts in 20 years, consistent economic growth, good job creation, (there&#039;s more, just being lazy)

yep.  that seals it.  bush is the worst president ever.  sarcasm off/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carter &#8211; double digit inflation, double digit interest rates, gas shortages, iran hostage crisis<br />
Bush II &#8211; record high Dow, cheap money, rockin&#8217; economy, no terrorist attack in 5 years, best housing starts in 20 years, consistent economic growth, good job creation, (there&#8217;s more, just being lazy)</p>
<p>yep.  that seals it.  bush is the worst president ever.  sarcasm off/</p>
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		<title>By: Prophet</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/06/01/three-dumb-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-12794</link>
		<dc:creator>Prophet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 13:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t even begin to try to comment on the results of polls that try to ID voting habits, voting results and demographic breakdowns when the past two presidential elections proved beyond a doubt that polling on these issues only produces laughably apocryphal results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t even begin to try to comment on the results of polls that try to ID voting habits, voting results and demographic breakdowns when the past two presidential elections proved beyond a doubt that polling on these issues only produces laughably apocryphal results.</p>
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		<title>By: Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 12:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exercise in futility.  How many of those polled were even alive when Carter was in charge?  All most people know of him is he is a nice old man who builds houses. Also, you can not compare the past with todays knowledge against today without the knowledge of the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exercise in futility.  How many of those polled were even alive when Carter was in charge?  All most people know of him is he is a nice old man who builds houses. Also, you can not compare the past with todays knowledge against today without the knowledge of the future.</p>
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		<title>By: clyde</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/06/01/three-dumb-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-12772</link>
		<dc:creator>clyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting that anyone voted for Carter for anything, since I was in Georgia when he ran and got elected President. Why did he run for president? The citizens of Georgia realized how incompetent he was in dealing with the state legislature and getting anything done and kicked him out of office after one term. Then he runs for president and gets elected. HAHAAHAH. God. People are nuts.

One other thing no one has mentiond: Carter is obviously related to Clinton, the proof is Chelsea. Looks just like Jimmy. Hmmm. Wonder if Hillary ever went to Plains for a short &quot;vacation&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that anyone voted for Carter for anything, since I was in Georgia when he ran and got elected President. Why did he run for president? The citizens of Georgia realized how incompetent he was in dealing with the state legislature and getting anything done and kicked him out of office after one term. Then he runs for president and gets elected. HAHAAHAH. God. People are nuts.</p>
<p>One other thing no one has mentiond: Carter is obviously related to Clinton, the proof is Chelsea. Looks just like Jimmy. Hmmm. Wonder if Hillary ever went to Plains for a short &#8220;vacation&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 07:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s also funny that there are some people out there who singled out Gerald Ford as the worst president of the post-war era.  Gerald Ford.  Are they blaming him for the 70s?  Over Nixon or Carter?  Do they think pardoning Nixon was worse than being Nixon?  Do they blame him for Chevy Chase?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s also funny that there are some people out there who singled out Gerald Ford as the worst president of the post-war era.  Gerald Ford.  Are they blaming him for the 70s?  Over Nixon or Carter?  Do they think pardoning Nixon was worse than being Nixon?  Do they blame him for Chevy Chase?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 07:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know why, but it just really amuses me that there are a few
people out there who, in answering the interracial dating question,
said &quot;I don&#039;t know.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why, but it just really amuses me that there are a few<br />
people out there who, in answering the interracial dating question,<br />
said &#8220;I don&#8217;t know.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Cpilot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cpilot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 06:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Polls are as useful as a monkey with a gun...hmmm come to think of it, it would seem the pollsters and monkeys with guns are about the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polls are as useful as a monkey with a gun&#8230;hmmm come to think of it, it would seem the pollsters and monkeys with guns are about the same.</p>
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		<title>By: DannoJyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>DannoJyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 05:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More nonsense polls? Sheesh!

I was at 2 different polling places in the last Presidential election as an official observer, and young adults were rarly seen throughout the 12 hour long day.

I do remember one lil blonde who claimed that her Union had registered her to vote several months beforehand though. No paperwork was found to confirm that, and her vote was thus challenged.

I lost a few &#039;friends&#039; that day. ;o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More nonsense polls? Sheesh!</p>
<p>I was at 2 different polling places in the last Presidential election as an official observer, and young adults were rarly seen throughout the 12 hour long day.</p>
<p>I do remember one lil blonde who claimed that her Union had registered her to vote several months beforehand though. No paperwork was found to confirm that, and her vote was thus challenged.</p>
<p>I lost a few &#8216;friends&#8217; that day. ;o)</p>
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		<title>By: easy87us</title>
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		<dc:creator>easy87us</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 02:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact, I am sure they all take samples from a set of area codes that favor liberals.

Challenge them to open up their data base and we can have a barrel of laugh! Make them poll NY and Illinois suberbs and you could say that both states are predominant Republicans.

I can make California look like reagan country again....just don&#039;t poll San Francisco, LA, Sacrmento, and Mount Shasta.

Like what they did to Kerry in 2004. They did the poll in noon and found that Kerry led by 6% average. Only Drudge Report found out that they poll 60% female votes!

They are a bunch of freaking con men. Pollster are just con men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact, I am sure they all take samples from a set of area codes that favor liberals.</p>
<p>Challenge them to open up their data base and we can have a barrel of laugh! Make them poll NY and Illinois suberbs and you could say that both states are predominant Republicans.</p>
<p>I can make California look like reagan country again&#8230;.just don&#8217;t poll San Francisco, LA, Sacrmento, and Mount Shasta.</p>
<p>Like what they did to Kerry in 2004. They did the poll in noon and found that Kerry led by 6% average. Only Drudge Report found out that they poll 60% female votes!</p>
<p>They are a bunch of freaking con men. Pollster are just con men.</p>
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		<title>By: Bellicose Muse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bellicose Muse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 02:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Bush beats out Jimmeh and the Prince of Darkness (Nixon) as the worst in total! That&#039;s really saying something. Of course, fickle people that we are he&#039;s here and the others are not. It&#039;s easier to forget much or some of the bad when you&#039;ve had 20 or more years pass. In 2028 someone else will be considered the worst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Bush beats out Jimmeh and the Prince of Darkness (Nixon) as the worst in total! That&#8217;s really saying something. Of course, fickle people that we are he&#8217;s here and the others are not. It&#8217;s easier to forget much or some of the bad when you&#8217;ve had 20 or more years pass. In 2028 someone else will be considered the worst.</p>
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		<title>By: venmax</title>
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		<dc:creator>venmax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 02:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s such crap.

The same people who said Dubya is the worst president now are the same people who hated Reagan in the 80&#039;s - thought he was a dumb, incompetent cowboy.... and look at what Reagan got in that same poll...

Ironically enough they don&#039;t seem to remember LBJ either!  Talk about eating your own...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s such crap.</p>
<p>The same people who said Dubya is the worst president now are the same people who hated Reagan in the 80&#8242;s &#8211; thought he was a dumb, incompetent cowboy&#8230;. and look at what Reagan got in that same poll&#8230;</p>
<p>Ironically enough they don&#8217;t seem to remember LBJ either!  Talk about eating your own&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 02:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carter beats Clinton in the overall numbers too. That&#039;s surprising. So is the Dem love for Reagan. 

Is it just melancholy? Nostalgia?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carter beats Clinton in the overall numbers too. That&#8217;s surprising. So is the Dem love for Reagan. </p>
<p>Is it just melancholy? Nostalgia?</p>
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		<title>By: easy87us</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/06/01/three-dumb-polls/comment-page-1/#comment-12708</link>
		<dc:creator>easy87us</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 02:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think they dare to open the geographical sample.

I bet you they took most of the samples from big cities where liberals dwell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think they dare to open the geographical sample.</p>
<p>I bet you they took most of the samples from big cities where liberals dwell.</p>
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