Haditha: Marine eyewitnesses come forward (Update: Audio and video of the attack?)
posted at 10:43 pm on May 29, 2006 by Allahpundit
There are two, according to the AP. They weren’t there during the incident but they took photos and helped carry out the bodies afterwards.
One of them, Lance Cpl. Ryan Briones, was interviewed by the LA Times:
Briones said he took pictures of at least 15 bodies before his camera batteries died. He said he then helped other Marines remove the bodies and place them in body bags. He said his worst moment, and one that haunts him to this day, was picking up the body of a young girl who was shot in the head.
“I held her out like this,” he said, demonstrating with his arms extended, “but her head was bobbing up and down and the insides fell on my legs.”
I take Briones at his word because he’s a Marine, but I admit that if he weren’t, I’d find some elements of his story suspicious. Regardless, he sounds shattered by what he saw — not only inside the houses but inside the bombed-out humvee where he found Lance Cpl. Miguel Terrazas’s body. Terrazas’s death is what allegedly inspired the rampage, you’ll recall.
The Times says three or four Marines are suspected of carrying out the killings with several more facing charges of having covered it up or done nothing while the shooting was going on.
The rest of today’s coverage follows two tracks. One is devoted to showing how tough the Marines have had it in Haditha. This AP story paints it as the equal of any snakepit in Iraq; Zarqawi is rumored to have lived there, and voter turnout for last year’s constitutional referendum was estimated at 150 out of a city of 90,000. So hard is it, in fact, that Knight-Ridder’s Iraq correspondent reported last August — three months before the alleged massacre — that some of the Marine officers stationed there worried that their men might crack. Editor & Publisher reprinted the article today. Quote:
Officers worry about the enemy while trying to make sure their men don’t crack under the pressure.
“I tell the guys not to lose their humanity over here, because it’s easy to do,” said Marine Capt. James Haunty, 27, of Columbus, Ohio. “I tell them not to turn into Col. Kurtz.”…
Sitting with his men at a morning meeting in the town of Hit, Marine Maj. Nicholas Visconti said he was up late the night before, unable to sleep in the heat, when a call came from a patrol requesting permission to shoot an Iraqi man. The man, the patrol leader said, was out past curfew and appeared to be talking on a cell phone. Visconti intervened and told the patrol leader not to shoot…
With a worried look, Visconti, 35, of Brookfield, Conn., continued: “There’s killing bad guys and there’s murdering civilians. Let’s do the first and not the second. Murderers we’re not, OK?”
Read it all. It’s even more vivid than the AP story re: the snakepit.
The other track is Iraqi reaction to the killings. WaPo reports little outrage in Baghdad; the people there have too many massacres to keep count of. Time magazine goes back to Haditha and, surprisingly, finds some good news: the diligence of the military’s investigation has impressed the residents.
Belated as the investigation was, the residents of Hay al-Sinnani say they were gratified by its thoroughness. That there have been three separate enquiries suggests the U.S. military “want to get at the truth,” says Walid Abdel Khaliq, the doctor of the Haditha morgue where the victims’ bodies were taken.
They were especially impressed by the NCIS investigators. “They must have visited the houses 15 times,” says Khalid Raseef, a spokesman for the victims’ kin and uncle of Emaan and Abdel Rahman Waleed, the children who lost almost their entire immediate family in the massacre. The investigators “asked detailed questions, examined each bullet hole and burn mark, and took all sorts of measurements. In the end, they brought all the survivors to the homes and did a mock-up of the Marines’ movements. It was a very professional investigation.”
No charges have been filed yet, but this doesn’t bode well:
Two weeks ago, a Marine on foot patrol came up to Thabet’s home, stopped and smiled at Thabet’s two little daughters who were playing in the yard. He gave them some candy. Peering into the house, he saw Thabet’s sister making fresh Iraqi bread in the oven. “Can I have some?” he asked. Thabet says the rules of Arab hospitality obliged him to invite the soldier into the yard and share his bread. As they ate, the two men made small talk — the Marine spoke some broken Arabic, and Thabet has a little English. When Thabet gave him a business card, which says he works for Hamurabi Human Rights, which produced the incriminating videotape, the Marine grew apologetic. “He told me that the men who killed my neighbors were not typical Marines,” Thabet recalls. “Even among the Marines, they are known as the ‘Dirty Force.’ Then he said, ‘For myself, I don’t think killing 15 Iraqis is a fair response for the death of one Marine.’”
Me neither. Stay tuned.
Update: Denial at Camp Pendleton — or something worse?
Jerry Alexander, the owner of G.I. Joe’s and a Navy man who served with the Marines for a dozen years, had much the same perspective, saying, “If I saw my buddy laying there dead, there is no such thing as too much retaliation.”…
“In the heat of combat, you cannot hesitate; he who hesitates is lost,” he said. “I would not prosecute these young men because they were just doing their jobs.”
Some of the people whom the Times spoke with speculate that the rogue Marines’ C.O. must have known about, or perhaps even ordered, the attack.
Update: WaPo says this morning that investigators have recordings of radio transmissions made during the attack, and may even have video via a drone that was circling over the city. One lawyer says he’s heard the audio and that it corroborates the Marines’ account of having come under small-arms fire after the bomb went off. Meanwhile:
Two of the lawyers said the message traffic will show officers in higher headquarters knew early on that a large number of civilians had been killed and that they did not raise alarms.
“The chain of command knew about it,” said one, and “the number of deaths was reported” by the commander of the company involved, Capt. Lucas M. McConnell of Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion of the 1st Regiment of the 1st Marine Division.
The use of drones shows that senior commanders were interested in what was going on in the city that day, but that doesn’t necessarily point to the massacre: as the Post explains, a lot was happening in Haditha on November 19th.
Update: The latest news on Haditha is here.
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There is nothing but the collective. You exist only as part of the collective, to serve the collective…
paulsur on February 5, 2013 at 11:11 PM
Must not question The Reich.
viking01 on February 5, 2013 at 11:25 PM
Who’s gonna stop them anyway ?
McConnell ? Boehner ?
They’re laughing their asses off on Pennslvania Ave.
“We don’t need no stinking accountability”…………
FlaMurph on February 5, 2013 at 11:42 PM
Wow, Mark, that is outrageous. I wish I could say that that was shocking about AARP, but it isn’t. Crooked b@$tards.
Sorry things are so bad for you.
………………………….
Yeah, I know the feeling. If I wasn’t overdosed on Apathy pills constantly, I’d feel the same way.
LegendHasIt on February 6, 2013 at 12:19 AM
Thank you, I’ll make, don’t know how to quit anyway.. just annoys no end they mailed it a month late, and admitted it in the letter.. I wonder how many people are going through a month of Hell without meds because of them popping this surprise on people?
Posted a reply but it dissappeared, so here’s trying again.
mark81150 on February 6, 2013 at 12:46 AM
I’m not surprised that Kasich went to the dark side. He was never a conservative as a congresscritter and this is in character for him.
Quartermaster on February 6, 2013 at 6:17 AM
Never liked Kasich and Brewer is a bit off her rocker.
Sad times these.
Sherman1864 on February 6, 2013 at 8:16 AM
Recently I had an email from Michelle Bachman’s campaign list, where she asked supporters to rate priority for certain issues. One item, of course, was ObamaCare. She asked, Do you still want a full repeal of ObamaCare. Of course we do. Without a victorious Mitt Romney, that option is off the table, without a veto proof Senate majority for republicans.
When Mrs. Pelosi said we have to vote for it to find out what is in it, she did not say that by 2012 we would still not know what was in it, or how it would affect us. But clearly, no one told the voters that Bronze Family plans under ObamaCare would cost $20K. She said they would be affordable. Now it turns out, these plans have to be priced HIGH so that some people can pay more for them, and other people can get subsidies.
The more we know, the less we like.
But I wonder about the Obama voters, I don’t think they all like this, especially if they are not on the list for the Free Medical insurance. Right now, democrats could fix what is wrong with the Obama Care law, without republicans. Why don’t they?
When the law starts to be implemented, in the fall, for the 2014 year, I am just wondering what will happen.
I realize it is not in the political interest of the republicans to fix what is wrong with Obamacare, but if we can’t get rid of it, republicans are letting us suffer more than we need to. I wish they would start repealing sections of the law now. They could at least get on the record what some of the horrendous pages and pages do to people.
Fleuries on February 6, 2013 at 8:20 AM
I liked what Kasich was doing… up until a few months ago when he wanted to raise taxes on the oil and gas industry (offsetting it by lowering the state income tax rate). Now this. He’s lost my confidence.
sadatoni on February 6, 2013 at 8:49 AM
On Kasich:
This is Ohio. It is a funny state, they elected Kasich to save them, that is what happens in MA and other blue states, they will desperately elect a daddy to fix the money. Then when the money is fixed they start putting populist bills in front of the conservative governor. Then you have those veto battles.
John Boehner is from Ohio too, and his constituency is definitely Purple.
Sherrod Brown in from Ohio, he beat Josh Mandel.
I am wondering if the population there, that elected Kasich, has had to sell up and move to FL and AZ and Texas, low tax states to retire. In MA we have waves of Mass exodus, where people suddenly flee to NH but also to FL. Who knows about Kasich here? It’s hard to talk about without talking about the whole state…that is the state where we saw the bus load of Obama Phone recipients chasing the Romney Ryan campaign, and the viral video…
We need more facts, we need deeper journalism on this to know what is going on. We need to know what the Ohio legislature is doing that might be affecting Kasich’s result. I am wondering how demoralized the republicans in Ohio are feeling, and if they are being influenced by the overwhelming drum beat from the media that Obama won in a landslide (he didn’t) and that conservatives in Ohio did not show up…they voted early, absentee, and were not counted until after the election…Romney beat McCain in Ohio, they did show up, they showed up early. But the question is: Did conservatives from Ohio move to red states during the first Obama term?
Fleuries on February 6, 2013 at 9:10 AM
In 2004, Bush got 2,858,727 votes in Ohio.
In 2008, McCain got 2,677,820 votes in Ohio.
In 2012, Romney got 2,593,779 votes in Ohio.
See the trend? Ohio Republicans are giving up. After Kasich’s cave-in on the heels of his incompetent management of the union threat, we wonder why we bother coming to the polls. Our guys are either incompetent, or cowardly. Either way, we lose, so why bother?
Ohio Republicans have gone no where. This is what happens when the electorate gives up. I might be joining them. One thing I will not do is vote for Kasich again.
This has happened before. Ohio confidence in Republicans collapsed with the “no new taxes” lie. We surged when we thought we had a new conservative in W in 2000 and stuck with him in 2004, but only because of the war. Without it, I think the current collapse would have happened then and W would have repeated the steps of HW. Can you say, “President Kerry?”
Data:
Romney 2012 – 2,593,779
McCain 2008 – 2,677,820
Bush 2004 – 2,858,727
Bush 2000 – 2,351,209
Dole 1996 – 1,859,883
Bush 1992 – 1,894,310
Bush 1988 – 2,416,549
Reagan 1984 – 2,678,560
Reagan 1980 – 2,206,545
In 2012, Obama got 2,697,260 Buckeye votes. That’s 161,467 less votes than W got in 2004.
Cricket624 on February 6, 2013 at 10:26 AM
BTW, I have never stayed home on Election Day – in case you’re wondering.
Cricket624 on February 6, 2013 at 10:28 AM
Sebelius should team up with Clayton Williams:
“Rape is like bad weather: if it’s inevitable, you might as well relax and enjoy it.” Clayton Williams, Texas gubernatorial candidate, March 24, 1990.
elfman on February 6, 2013 at 10:36 AM
Ye gods. And I thought Akin was an idiot!
MelonCollie on February 6, 2013 at 10:38 AM
How about no.
FineasFinn on February 6, 2013 at 11:09 AM
What a twit Frau Sebelius is. I sure Adolf Hitler must have said something along those lines also.
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
~ C.S. Lewis
SpiderMike on February 6, 2013 at 11:49 AM
No ses, no lost, Hmmm….
Bmore on February 6, 2013 at 5:36 PM
You and I better hope and pray that someone can primary Kasich. That’s the only thing now that can stop the inevitable eight years of an Ed Fitzgerald Dem governorship. Basically Ohio is now doomed to a California-like fate.
Should also be noted that the absolute buffoonery of Bob Taft (and the Noe coin scandal) doomed the statewide GOP ticket in 2006. Outside of Mary Taylor becoming auditor, it was a clean sweep for the Dems.
Myron Falwell on February 6, 2013 at 7:12 PM
Wasn’t that Sebeliwhatever in that Narnia film? And….why is it she never comes out during the day?
Sherman1864 on February 6, 2013 at 7:48 PM
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