Jesse Macbeth(?) posts his discharge form

posted at 6:54 pm on May 26, 2006 by Allahpundit

**QandO says it’s obtained a copy of Macbeth’s real Form DD-214. See update below.**

I thought we were done with this, but apparently not. Reader Jon F. e-mails to say that there’s a new photo posted at the MySpace site that McQ blogged about the other day. It’s a photo of an army discharge form, which in some respects appears to be authentic and in other respects … not so much.

So here it is. Maybe it’ll vindicate Macbeth, maybe not. I’ll leave it to the milbloggers to pronounce judgment. There are two versions of the form: the top one is the original, but it’s dark and hard to read so I created a second one and lightened it a bit. I inserted the black boxes, too: the poor dope didn’t think to redact his personal information, so I went ahead and did it for him.

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macbeth-discharge-lightened.png

Two points worth noting. First and most obviously, the information under “Primary Specialty” and “Decorations” is in a different typeface from the rest of the form … and, er, the word “qualified” in “Ranger qualified” is misspelled. Second, under “Nearest Relative,” it lists someone named “Amy.” That’s significant because one of McQ’s posts at QandO received a comment from someone claiming to be Macbeth’s sister. It was signed … “Amy.”

McQ reprinted her comment in a post. Go read it. It explains why Macbeth might have an authentic discharge form, and also why he might have been willing to smear U.S. troops. This is, perhaps, less a case of anti-war madness than actual madness. If so, I have more sympathy for him now — and much less for the people who made that video.

The questions of the hour: who’s responsible for exploiting him? And did they know his alleged condition when they did so?

Update: Lt. Smash renders his verdict.

Update: I just received this from an Army National Guard member. Can anyone confirm/deny?

1 – “Ranger qualified” is spelled wrong (qualifyed!!) and others have already noticed the different typeface
2 – His last duty station is listed as the Basic Combat Training Brigade at Ft. Benning, Ga., which indicates he never finished basic training.
3 – If he never left Basic, there’s no way he could have gotten a Purple Heart, unless one of his fellow trainees shot him.
4 – Doesn’t list any other decorations he would have received (and claims to have received), including his Army Service ribbon for graduating BCT/AIT, no National Defense Ribbon, etc. And of course, no CIB and no CAB.
5 – He has erased the type of separation he received, but his character of service is still listed as UNCHARACTERIZED. This means: that the individual had fewer than 180 days of continuous active service.

Update: Follow the comments below.

Update: Just Citizens is blogging this too.

Update: McQ concurs with Smash.

Update: Another reader e-mails:

Block 6. Every person who goes on active duty has an obligation of 8 years to the US military, even if they only sign up for 4 years. If they get out after 4 years, they go to the IRR, or Individual Ready Reserve (some may remember the controversy of the Army pulling people out of the IRR). If they get out at 4 years, as he claims, he would have an IRR obligation of 4 years – so that block would read 4 years.

There are ONLY two ways to get NO reserve obligation, like he has on his dd-214. One is to server more than 8 years on active duty. The other is to washout in or before bootcamp. I think it’s obvious what the case is.

Block 27, reentry code. If he got out with an honorable discharge, that block would be RE-1 or simply 1. It looks like his codes is a 3. A 3 means: “Individuals who are not qualified for continued Army service, but the disqualification is waiverable. Ineligible for enlistment unless a waiver is granted.” That’s a pretty standard code for washouts.

So in both those cases, it’s pretty obvious he never made it through boot camp.

Update: Uncle Jimbo at Blackfive isn’t impressed, either. Watch the comments to his post; it should be a feeding frenzy. Op For also has an analysis.

Reader Scott C. e-mails:

Block 11: The way his Primary Specialty is listed is incorrect. It should read something like “11B10 Infantryman.” The time he spent in that specialty should read like “0 Years and 6 months.” Also, where is says “Ranger qualifyed” is totally incorrect (not to mention the spelling). Block 11 is for your job specialty only and being Ranger qualified would appear in Block 13.

Block 13: The remarks about the operations he served in are incorrect. Those are never stated on a DD214 in that manner. If he indeed served in Iraq and Afghanistan, this block would’ve listed the Global War on Terror Expeditionary Medal, Iraq Campaign Medal, Afghanistan Campaign Medal and Southwest Asia Service Medal. If he were indeed a Ranger it would have listed “Ranger tab” and “Airborne Badge” because ALL Rangers who serve in Ranger Battalions are Airborne qualified. Also, if he completed Basic Training it would listed his marksmanship badges and an Army Service Ribbon. Also, the phrase “Shot during active service” would never be stated. Just the Purple Heart Medal would be stated. If you think about it, the only way a Soldier is awarded a Purple Heart is because he was wounded so that comment wouldn’t even appear on a DD214.

Update: Michelle says she’s being inundated with e-mails pointing out mistakes. Pretty amazing response for a Friday night before Memorial Day weekend.

Update (Bryan): Forgery is indeed a crime, as spelled out in the Uniform Code of Military Justice:

(2) Forgery—uttering.

(a) That a certain signature or writing was falsely made or altered;

(b) That the signature or writing was of a nature which would, if genuine, apparently impose a legal liability on another or change another’s legal rights or liabilities to that person’s prejudice;

(c) That the accused uttered, offered, issued, or transferred the signature or writing;

(d) That at such time the accused knew that the signature or writing had been falsely made or altered; and

(e) That the uttering, offering, issuing or transferring was with the intent to defraud.

We have false writing and we have intent to defraud here. The maximum penalty?

Maximum punishment. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 5 years.

As I said below to Mr. MacBeth: Stop digging.

Update (Bryan): Iraq Veterans Against the War jettisons MacBeth:

Questions have been raised about Jesse MacBeth and his claims of service in Iraq. MacBeth came to Iraq Veterans Against the War in January 2006 asking for help, and the organization and its members extended itself to help him in various ways. Assisting veterans is one of the founding principles of IVAW and it is a mission that we take seriously. After looking into his recent claims, we have learned that Jesse is not what he represented himself to be. Accordingly, IVAW does not in any way endorse Jesse MacBeth or any of his accounts involving military service. He — and he alone — is responsible for them. IVAW was not aware of the creation of the video program featuring MacBeth, and did not authorize use of our logo in the program.

Update: Jesse Macbeth (or whoever it is who’s posting at that MySpace site) responds.

Update: Has Macbeth also falsely claimed to be a Navy SEAL? McQ reports, you decide.

Update: I think we’ve seen enough to pronounce judgment, but in the interests of completeness, here’s what other readers are saying. A retired Army major:

Most likely if he was Ranger Qualified he would also be Airborne Qualified; and it is not listed. You use to be able to attend Ranger School and not be airborne qualified but if you are member of a Ranger Battalion you should after being assigned to the unit or even before assignment to it, sent to Airborne School. Airborne Skill ID is ’5P’. Ranger Qualification is in addition to the 11B, so if he was infantry and a ranger it would be ’11B5R’, and if he was infantry and airborne ranger his designation would be ’11B5S’…

Also Block 14 should show all military training completed therefore it should show basic, Infantry AIT, Ranger School, and Airborne School. Block 14 should show all Army schools over 2 weeks in length. If memory serves me correctly, basic training is 8 weeks, Infantry AIT is 16 weeks or so, Airborne school 3 weeks, and Ranger School is a little over 8 weeks.

A reader with an Army e-mail address says:

1/38 and 2/ 47 BCT Battalions are both part of the BCT Brigade. Basic Combat Training is for non-Infantry personnel. Infantryman go to a separate program called OSUT (One Station Unit Training). Whereas most non Combat Arms types go to Basic Training (BCT) and then on to AIT (Advanced Individual Training, sometimes at another installation) OSUT combines both BCT and AIT. Essentially you have a longer Basic Training.

BCT is 9 weeks long and AIT is veriable (according to the level of proficiency required). My Infantry OSUT was 14 weeks long. I just got yelled at by the same Drill Sgts for 5 additional weeks.

A combat medic notes:

Its also worth noting that in block 14 his training is listed as none/nothing follows. My DD 214 has 91A – Combat Medical Specialist listed in that block. So he Had no MOS at all. Consistent with being kicked from boot camp.

Update: A minor point of disagreement between our readers. The person with the Army e-mail address writes:

It should … be noted that the retired Major is wrong about the MOS.

My MOS is 11B3P. 11B is Infantry, 3 is my rank (SSG) and P is Airborne. If this kid was really an Airborne Ranger he’d have a V. So his MOS would be 11B1V (1 is for E-1 – E-4) or if he weren’t Airborne ‘qualifyed’ he’d have a G at the end.

Update: Heidi at Euphoric Reality has what I think is the definitive debunking. Reader David S. says he thinks he can make out Block 18:

From end of second line onwards: “PERIOD OF DELAYED ENTRY PROGRAM [SEVERAL WORDS OBSCURED] LESS LEAVE (CREDITABLE FOR ALL PURPOSES EXCEPT PAY AND ALLOWANCE – 49.00 DAYS [SEVERAL WORDS OBSCURED] MEMBER HAS NOT COMPLETED FIRST FULL TERM OF SERVICE // NOTHING FOLLOWS”

That should do it.

Update: The Rangers are enjoying this. As are the Freepers.

Update: The jig is up. McQ at QandO has posted a copy of what he says is Macbeth’s real Form DD-214. See for yourself.

Update: Greyhawk has a must-read post about Iraq Veterans Against the War at MilBlogs.

Update: I’ll leave you with this. It’s a comment thread at Indymedia from 2004 in which someone questions Macbeth’s military service — and Macbeth (or someone claiming to be him) promptly shows up and gets indignant. Priceless:

tell me i am fake to my face asswhole
by jesse Saturday May 08, 2004 at 12:24 PM

look u cant talk all u want but all you do is talk. yes, i had sharpnel removed from my back and if your dumbass hasent notice things in iraq are getting alot worse they called me back and i accepted un like your dumbass i dont like sitting down and let other people die for me when i am more then able to go back out there and fight again. i got any kinda of proof you need just come out and meet me and we’ll see how much your mouth runs then. also one of the main reasons i got called back was they dont ahve time to train more soldiers let alone rangers who already have combat experiance. yes, i am in the 82nd ab 5th ranger we were a assigned to operate with the 505 and panther. after going through physicals out the ass both mental and in body i was declared fit to go back. its people like you that called the soldiers who came back from vietnam babykillers well instead of sitiing on your dumb fat ass go out enlist and help change things. you bitching to me about honnor but were is the honnor in complaining about me and whats going on in the world when your ass hasent done shit to change things all you do is run you mouth. you go out there were you dont know who are were the enemy is. you go watch your battle buddy go grab a kid to bring him out of fire and see him blow up. you dont even have the balls to shoot a duck. if you had any honnor you would name yourself and stop being a fucking coward. i hope when the draft comes in i see your ass at you training camp i will give u a real taste of what war is like. what did coffee plantation hire your ass to talk shit to stir shit up you sure go in there alot it seems what are you kissing the owners ass are something. when it all comes down to it regardless of what you think are how you run your mouth i have a job a to do and i will get it done. so fuck you and have a nice life

There’s lots more, including a comment in which “Jesse” offers to show the skeptics a copy of his DD-214. He also refers to having used his DD-214 to obtain medical benefits from the VA, which led the person who sent me this to wonder if there’s been any fraud afoot here.


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I like the “F*** YOU” scrawled under “Special Additional Information.”

saint kansas on May 26, 2006 at 7:19 PM

And yes, how strange that, yet again, all of the fields are filled in with monospace capital letters, except for the ones of interest to this case, which are in lower case…and proportionately spaced…and misspelled.

Hmm, where do I remember seeing something like that before?

saint kansas on May 26, 2006 at 7:24 PM

hmmm… i wonder if mary mapes is involved with this somehow… quick, someone blackberry dan rather…

Asmodeus on May 26, 2006 at 7:42 PM

Take a look at the ranger qualification listing on the first document. Whoever wrote this has terrible spelling: “Ranger Qualifyed — 2 yrs-3″

‘Qualifyed’ huh?

tommy1 on May 26, 2006 at 7:52 PM

Item 12 should have MOS (occupation code number(s)

Item 13 No NDSM? I thought everyone received the National Defense Service Medal. Also, decorations usually refer to authority for decoration — Regulation, Special Order, etc.

jimpv on May 26, 2006 at 7:56 PM

Unfortunately neither copy allows us to get a good glimpse of the dating of this thing. Somebody should forward this information to the Army and have them take a look at this. If this thing is bogus, I wonder if it a criminal offense.

Just the opinion of a former 54B (Chem Op.) but this looks sort of fishy to me. The document may be a copy of a real document left largely blank or something of that nature.

This does nothing to increase my confidence in the accuracy of his story. It does make me think he is a serious wannabe.

tommy1 on May 26, 2006 at 7:57 PM

That’s a good point about the lack of NDSM. You get one of those once you finish Basic, so a Ranger should surely have one. Of course, you would have to actually finish Basic to know that.

Bryan on May 26, 2006 at 8:06 PM

HOLY MOTHER OF GAWD.

That’s probably the funniest thing I’ve ever seen. That thing puts Kerry’s Silver Star to shame. See block 13? That’s where he put the Ranger thing.

It goes in block 14. It’s a friggin’ school, just like Airborne. And somebody else pointed it out at QandO, but that unit he was in was a training brigade (Basic Combat Training Brigade). The most telling stat on the DD214 would be the days of service in block 12. I can’t really read it, but since the entire Airborne/RangerQ/Ranger Course process would take well over a year, there’s your friggin’ proof.

And before I stop beating up on this kid, all entries before BCT are classified at 11 Bravo, the basic Infantry soldier, even females. This has gone from livid hatred to shooting fish in a teacup.

TalkSmack on May 26, 2006 at 8:07 PM

FAKE

Hard to make out anything even playing with photoshop:

Nothing about Jump school and there are very few “leg’ Rangers.

Ranger “qalifyed” would be listed in line 14 as Ranger School, then give his class number.

You can make out ‘his’ separation code in line 26: as JGA which means PREGNANCY! It looks it could be either a C or a G in the middle, but since there is no JCA separation code, it must be a G.

Here is a link to separation codes:
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/lifeafterthemilitary/l/blcode_2_2.htm

Everything else that could indicate anything of importance is either darkened out or scribbled over.

What a lame attempt. Even John Kerry did better

LegendHasIt on May 26, 2006 at 8:09 PM

Well I was comparing his “DD214″ to mine. I retired in 2003.
There are a few inconsistencies.
1. DD Form 214 Automated, NOV 88 was discontinued in FEB 2000, that is when the new DD Form 214, FEB 2000 was put into effect. That would make him 16 as of 2000.

2. All type font will be capital letters and a certain font according to the protocol manual. I am not sure of which font is to be used, but his typing doesn’t match mine.

3. Under military education all his schooling would be listed including Ranger, Special Forces, Jump school and etc.

4. During the time he was supposedly in he would have been awarded the National Defense medal, but that isn’t listed in his awards. Also the line saying Operation Eduring freedom/Operation Iraqi freedom wouldn’t have been listed in teh awards section.

This is just a coarse observation

br8veheart on May 26, 2006 at 8:12 PM

Additionally, recall that in his Military.com profile, MacBeth claimed several medals besides the Purple Heart. There were six medals in that profile, including a Bronze Star, along with several badges.

None of that is on this form, save the Purple Heart.

Forging a DD-214 is a serious crime.

Bryan on May 26, 2006 at 8:13 PM

Agree there Bryan it is a federal offense.

br8veheart on May 26, 2006 at 8:14 PM

Yup. A forged DD-214 could be used to claim retirement, disability or separation benefits either for the military member or next of kin.

Not that this country gives a hoot about fraudulent documents anymore.

Bryan on May 26, 2006 at 8:16 PM

To be a little more precise that JGA separation code means:
JGA – Entry level status performance and conduct or entry level status performance – pregnancy

LegendHasIt on May 26, 2006 at 8:18 PM

Well, Allah, maybe you should forward this to the Army since it appears to be a criminal offense.

The theory that he washed out of basic makes a lot of sense to me. He may have been in basic for a short time prior to the introduction of berets which would explain why he doesn’t know how to wear one. I’m surprised he would wear the wrong color undershirt beneath his BDUs, however. Somebody in Basic Training for a few weeks would realize this as a mistake. Maybe he just forgot.

tommy1 on May 26, 2006 at 8:19 PM

3 – If he never left Basic, there’s no way he could have gotten a Purple Heart, unless one of his fellow trainees shot him.

I’ll deny that. The Purple Heart is awarded for combat injuries, like exploding rice.

/wiseass off

Pablo on May 26, 2006 at 8:28 PM

Also; Line 21:
“Soldier not available to sign”

AWOL is most likely explanation for that…

Unless he had a secret mission to Cambodia during Christmas by direct orders of President Nixon.

LegendHasIt on May 26, 2006 at 8:33 PM

The important thing to note is how much the left cares about the truth.

Jesse MacBeth gets trapped, prepped, filleted and served as sushi in about 36 hours after his exposure to the blogosphere. And alas, poor MacBeth is not the first to meet this fate. But yet the left felt it was a good idea to trot him out as evidence of Bu$Hitlerian skullduggery, without a thought given to his transparency.

Is there nothing these people won’t try to sell us? Have they no shame? No self respect?

Damn you, Leopold!

Pablo on May 26, 2006 at 8:34 PM

If he was AWOL he wouldn’t likely have access to his papers, methinks.

More likely, he may have had a medical/mental problem that prevented him from being available to sign at the moment a signature was required.

tommy1 on May 26, 2006 at 8:40 PM

So, now we have a poorly altered and defaced DD-214. Wow.

My initial reaction was serious anger with MacBeth, but now this whole affair is turning into something really sad, even disturbing.

It is becoming clear that this kid has got some very, very serious issues going on. At this point I would encourage some investigation into the folks at PeaceFilms and the other organizations that exploited this pathetic creature to further their own agendas.

I’m not letting the poser off, but the film, the marches, the speaking engagements, etc. didn’t occur without the assistance of some really slimy operators.

dung.

Moose Dung on May 26, 2006 at 8:48 PM

Am I the only one who finds it astonishing that someone who got picked apart by actual military types over obvious uniform discrepancies (sleeve roll, beret, unit flashing, etc) tries his hand at fooling us again? And that his second effort is, if anything, less convincing than his first? What’s he going to do next–take video of himself walking around a parking lot with a Super Soaker and try to convince us it’s footage of him massacring Iraqis in Fallujah?

There’s a saying about how when you’re in hole the first thing you ought to do is stop digging. Note to Jesse MacBeth: Stop digging.

Bryan on May 26, 2006 at 8:49 PM

Bryan — I’m giving him a wide berth because of the possibility that he’s nuts, but otherwise I agree completely.

Allahpundit on May 26, 2006 at 8:54 PM

Yes, Moose. I agree with you, entirely. Truthfully I think this MacBeth character may have some mental issues. It is the willingness of the anti-war crowd to be deceived that really infuriates me. It is their commitment to the seriousness of the charges rather than the truth that pisses me off.

tommy1 on May 26, 2006 at 8:56 PM

Bryan, he’s not taking your advice. In fact, he’s digging furiously.

We have crossed over into just plain sad. For the love of god, Jesse! Just shut up.

Pablo on May 26, 2006 at 8:58 PM

Maybe he’s Dan Rather’s illegitimate son.

speed647 on May 26, 2006 at 9:02 PM

Allah, he’s still digging.

Pablo on May 26, 2006 at 9:03 PM

Disagree Tommy1: He could have sent for them later. (Assuming that the 214 really is his in the first place, and not someone else’s that he altered nearly completely…. That JCA separation code really strikes me as weird.)

If he were incapacitated mentally or physically (from service related causes) to the point that he was unable to sign, he would not have been separated; his enlistment would have been extended.

Although I admit the possibility that he was discharged in absentia because he was hospitalized or imprisoned while on leave.

AWOL IS the most likely explanation.

LegendHasIt on May 26, 2006 at 9:12 PM

hmmm… i wonder if mary mapes is involved with this somehow… quick, someone blackberry dan rather…

Asmodeus on May 26, 2006 at 7:42 PM

BLAST! You beat me to it!

RightWinged on May 26, 2006 at 9:29 PM

To be a little more precise that JGA separation code means:
JGA – Entry level status performance and conduct or entry level status performance – pregnancy

See Chapter 11 of this (AR 635-200) for more detail on the conduct and performance aspects of this category…

Chuck@PodunkOutpost on May 26, 2006 at 9:32 PM

Comparing MacBeth’s DD-214 to my own I find two things which strike me as odd.
1 Ubder Decorations, Medals etc. there is no reference to Mr. MacBeth qualifing with a rifle. This qualification: Marksmen, Sharpshooter, Expert is always mentioned here. At least it was in my ancient days.

2 Military Schooling is listed as NONE. Usual advanced training is listed here together with where the training occurred.

EG: USA Sig School
Fort Gordon, Ga 15 weeks 1962

If MacBeth was a Ranger–’Ranger School’ should have been typed in here.

To find someone’s military records use a Freedom of Information Act Request and ask for “publicly releasable” information at http://www.rcff.org/foi/html

MaiDee on May 26, 2006 at 9:32 PM

I was a Drill Sergeant at 2nd BN 54th IN, Fort Benning, GA Nov 1999 to Dec 2001. Right up the hill for the unit listed on the DD 214. 11B Infantrymen are not trained at a BCTB(Basic Combat Training Brigade)Unless he was transferred from another post or enlisted needs of the Army. Which means he could not get a Ranger school slot anyway. The ITB (Infantry Training Brigade)is where Infantry men since around 1983 or 1984 have been mostly trained. Which would mean he was a not in the Infantry. Also if you look at Block 21 Solider not available for signature means if this is his original DD214 he was more than likely AWOL from basic training and it was sent to him after he was discharged and he made alteration to it(forgery!!!). Another thing the battle buddies that he kept referring too in the video is a basic training term / thing nobody uses that outside of basic training. Nor in the regular Army and definitely no ranger would use. His story has as many holes as a mesh laundry bag. Fake and a wannabe traitor!

draeknet on May 26, 2006 at 9:33 PM

His birthname is Al Zaid.
I dont know why this is supposed to make no difference.
??
Still trying to figure that out.

lizzee on May 26, 2006 at 9:40 PM

How is it that we sliced and diced this guy in 17 seconds, and those hero veterans over at IVAW had him at no fewer than 5 confirmed public appearances, and not a one of them realized he was totally soup sandwich?

That’s rhetorical, I think we all know.

E5infantry on May 26, 2006 at 9:48 PM

MacBeth isn’t subject to the UCMJ, but altering his 214 is the least of his crimes anyway.

Greyhawk on May 26, 2006 at 9:51 PM

MaiDee,

Good point about the marksmanship qualification not being there. I don’t have my forms handy at the moment, but I was in the Army only a few years earlier and they still list your qualification on the form.

tommy1 on May 26, 2006 at 9:55 PM

An interesting thing in one of the black boxes. Box 21 is labeled as “Signature of Member Being Seperated.” And in the space where MacBeth should have signed is typed “Soldier not available to sign.”

The name of the official member who signed the form looks like Shirley Convington.. Maybe someone can contact Ft. Benning and see if she’s still active.

Enoxo on May 26, 2006 at 10:05 PM

Can anyone make out the dates of in block 12 and Shirley Convington does not appear she may of had a name change or no longer works a Benning

draeknet on May 26, 2006 at 10:16 PM

Oops, spelled her name wrong. It’s Shirley Covington.

Enoxo on May 26, 2006 at 10:22 PM

AllahPundit
of course the idiot is nuts, you have to be nuts to cross the WHOLE Ranger Corps, either that or have a death wish.

This ass has defamed and insulted those I call “Brother” I couldn’t care less if he’s as nutty as a fruitcake, Karma will be visited upon him one day at the hands of a real Ranger or someone close to a Ranger.

Duty, Homor, Country
(in THAT order)
Rowane

Rowane on May 26, 2006 at 10:25 PM

I like his date of birth. “0321″

Blastoff!

Labamigo on May 26, 2006 at 10:40 PM

I have examined this document carefully. I am a retired Army Officer with 28 years service. In my professional opinion, this document has been altered in several ways.

In the first place, the unit of discharge is the BCTB, 2 BN 47INF which translates to Basic Combat Training Brigade, Second Battalion, 47th Infantry. This is not a skill training school, but a basic training unit. MacBeth (not his given name, but a name change from an Arabic name) never even made it out of Basic Training into his secondary training for his primary skill. In other words, he washed out of basic training. “Not available for signature” speaks volumes about him and his service to our country.

Also note that DD-214s are automated, not manually typed.

He is a liar and coward of the first order!!

wsr4law on May 26, 2006 at 10:45 PM

Shirley Covington is legit better leave it at that. Who would want to be brought in this mess. MacBeth is a Fake AWOL more than likely less than honorably discharged. Seen too many of them. Next!

draeknet on May 26, 2006 at 11:22 PM

“That’s a good point about the lack of NDSM. You get one of those once you finish Basic, so a Ranger should surely have one. Of course, you would have to actually finish Basic to know that.
Brian”

Just a small clarification on the National Defense Service Medal. You don’t get it automatically, you have to serve during a time of war.
The one you get automatically is the Army Service Ribbon, or as some call it, the Rainbow Ribbon.
Of course that ribbon would be listed there.

My only claim is that I was “qualifyed” as a lowly 31U (Signal Specialist).

batperez on May 27, 2006 at 12:09 AM

I like the “F*** YOU” scrawled under “Special Additional Information.”

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I actually believe that the loony left would die if they couldn’t hurl at least one F-bomb per day. It’s the one word that they can spell correctly.

Paul Atreides on May 27, 2006 at 12:19 AM

Just to be clear, there’s no evidence to show that he was ever AWOL, that’s just conjecture. That he forged parts of his DD Form 214 is not. Let’s not get any exaggerations of fact here. The truth is damning enough.

TalkSmack on May 27, 2006 at 12:43 AM

Item 18. Last sentence before //NOTHING FOLLOWS says, “MEMBER HAS NOT COMPLETED FIRST FULL TERM OF SERVICE.”

There ya go. Mystery solved.

The rest (and there’s so damn much of it) is overkill…

There is no doubt this DD214 was forged. But who in America cares about fraudulent documents anyway? Bah.

Redhead Infidel on May 27, 2006 at 1:43 AM

From the only blog post over at MySpace:

Hey Jen (and all):

We think he is in Tucson, AZ. About 15 officers from the 35E (Counter Intelligence Course) and MICCC (Military Intelligence Captain Career Course) and MIOBC (MI Officer Basic Course) were up at THE KEYS bar in NW Tuscon. We were having at bachelor party for a fellow officer and we say this tall black “soldier” in dress blues.

We immediately saw him and in unison said, “WTF!?” since we all knew that you cannot be in dress blues (or uniform for that matter) in a bar. You can go to Applebees, Outback, etc and have a beer or two with your meal, but you cannot go to an establishment which primarily serves alcohol in uniform.

About four (4) of us went up to this guy who had SSG (E6) stripes on and his ribbons were out of order and asked him to leave. He immediately asked “how the hell we were”. Some of us with B&C’s (Badge and Credentials) as Army Counterintelligence Agents showed our ID’s and he was pretty perplexed….dumbass should have figured it out with the short haircuts.

Anyways, we told him that as an NCO, esp an E6 that he should know better than be in a bar in uniform and told him to leave or we would escort him out. He kind of wandered off and was generally displeased at being “dissed” in front of his homies.

I don’t think it was him, but seeing his picture and remembering that attitude, I give it about a 30-40 percent chance it was him.

We are going to go bar hopping tommorrow in Tucson and see if we can’t make contact with him.

Anyways…this thread has been hilarious and I hope you all do your best to out fakers, liars, and felons such as MacBeth, Jesse-type. I forwarded his doctored 214 to 901th MI BN who investigate this type of stuff. I also forwarded it to the local federal attorney’s office with an affidavit from JAG that this looks like fraud with intent to deceive, and alteration of a military document in order to deceive.

Jesse, this would be a good time to run. Or get the ACLU. Or both.

TalkSmack on May 27, 2006 at 3:13 AM

Jesse, you may as well come clean and tell the truth. The truth may not save you in this instance. However I think you will find that nothing else will serve you for long.

Snake307 on May 27, 2006 at 3:26 AM

Did we finally find Lucy Ramirez of Rathergate fame?

ordi on May 27, 2006 at 5:45 AM

I served 28 years in the Army, in addtion to that, I review military service records every day in my current job. If this person had an actual military occupational specialty of Infantry with a special qualification of Ranger his MOS code would be listed as 11B1V. 11B is Infantry, 1 is the skill level which goes from 1 to 5, V is the Special Qualification Identifier for one who is Ranger Qualified. Following that would be the number of years he served in that specailty. Example 11B1V – 6 years. Everything else on the form, awards, etc. are listed as incorrectly as this. This form is completely bogus, and it’s also a violation of federal law.

JDPendry on May 27, 2006 at 7:02 AM

‘Second, under “Nearest Relative,” it lists someone named “Amy.” That’s significant because one of McQ’s posts at QandO received a comment from someone claiming to be Macbeth’s sister. It was signed … “Amy.”’

That’s further confirmation for the name change info we have discussed here at Little Green Footballs.

There was an Amy Marie Campbell who had here name changed to Al-Zaid the same day Jesse had his name changed (when he was two years old).

The records can be found here.

This aspect of the story deserves wider exposure; Jesse Macbeth/Al-Zaid was probably raised a muslim by a Saudi stepfather.

modifiedcontent on May 27, 2006 at 7:51 AM

I compared it to mine…….

IT’S A FAKE!!

…..Fry this clown!

:/

VonHelton on May 27, 2006 at 10:02 AM

MaiDee points out… “Under Decorations, Medals etc. there is no reference to Mr. MacBeth qualifing with a rifle. This qualification: Marksmen, Sharpshooter, Expert is always mentioned here.”

Good observation.

Among the miriad of inconsistencies here, weapon (rifle) qualification is still a primary requirement for completing basic training and maintaining readiness status. And qualifying at least Marksmen isn’t that hard.

If MacBeth does not have this particular qualification then he could not have passed basic training. And he certainly would never have been selected for elite training status. Neither would he have been allowed to go on any active duty combat missions.

Lawrence on May 27, 2006 at 10:29 AM

I wonder if Jessie realizes that the Army could waive his qualifications, reactivate him (he’s under ready reserve for 8 years), and court marshal him for forgery. Five years in the stockade sounds like just punishment for the little twerp’s idea of “speaking ‘truth’ to power.

rndnum on May 27, 2006 at 11:41 AM

Page two seems to have a couple of signatures in BLUE PEN. The military NEVER uses blue pen on any official documents. Black pen only. I was in the Air Force, and I know people in the Navy now, and that policy is still in force. So it’s definitely a forgery.

cwcsquared on May 27, 2006 at 12:45 PM

What I find really interesting about all of this, is the potential for the liberals we’ve all run in to in comments sections of many blogs, who claim to be veterans, being complete liars.

I myself tend to not jump the “anti-American” gun on liberals on message boards, but I see that happen from time to time and lately I’ve been seeing a lot of these liberals rage back about how they are veterans. Oddly, these will often be whiny libs who’ve been commenting for weeks and months and never made any mention of service until they’ve got no argument other than to scream “I’m a vet”, essentially claiming immunity.

I’m not saying they aren’t vets, but I already questioned it from time to time, and this MacBeth thing makes me even more suspicious.

The other important thing this reveals, is that we’ve got the truth on our side. I mean if we didn’t, wouldn’t Iraq Veterans Against the War being growing exponentially, rather than having it’s face be made up of a bunch of liars? If they were right and we were wrong, would they need to get people like this weasel and Massey to make all this garbage up to further their agenda?

I think an interesting expiriment would be to see what liberal bloggers are still supporting this clown.

RightWinged on May 27, 2006 at 12:45 PM

Does anyone besides me think this Jesse Macbeth situation is a waste of time and energy?

IMHO-This guy is a fraud..end of story

ScottyDog on May 27, 2006 at 1:26 PM

Right away, there’s the oft-mentioned typeface thing. A DD-214 is generated all at once, and not edited as things change–it is only created as part of the discharge/separation process. One person does it on one machine, and different typefaces are not possible. Lest anybody try to wiggle him off of that particular hook.

Also, I would guess that the 11Bravo thing means that 11B is as much of the MOS as he knows, as that is (I guess) the in-training designation, before receiving a follow-on pair of alfanums.

The obscenities scrawled in the last two blocks are interesting: “F*** you, I’m not going”? Hard to tell.

Looking at the apalling spelling, grammar, and logical problems, I’d say the guy was actually dinked for mental deficiency. He’s probably mildly retarded but put on a real gung-ho show for the recruiters. You get about halfway through bootcamp and that crap dissolves. I’m not defending this turd, as nobody cares *how* shit gets on the bottom of your shoe, but I don’t see any prosecutions coming either.

haakondahl on May 27, 2006 at 1:36 PM

Is it just me?

Or does Jesse appear to be consistently out of step?

Jack.

Jack Deth on May 27, 2006 at 2:19 PM

Narrative Reason for Seperation:

Entry level performance and conduct.

That right there says it all. Maybe Jesse needs to check himself back into a mental health clinic.

Enoxo on May 27, 2006 at 4:20 PM

Ya know after the spanking he got over the video you would think he would just disappear and forget about it.

Cpilot on May 27, 2006 at 5:02 PM

See, he didn’t need to go AWOL after all. He just had to have one of those medical/mental problems I alluded to. He found the military life wasn’t suited for him after all and probably said he was hearing voices or something like that, or maybe he found out that being a pseudo-Ranger/SEAL was more fun – at least, until now.

tommy1 on May 27, 2006 at 5:40 PM

Bravo! Another fake is exposed! A job well done.

Man, I cannot get better entertainment than this! Thanks!

Easy87us

easy87us on May 27, 2006 at 6:41 PM

OK not AWOL but he fits the profile of the the refuse to train the army is too hard but talked a good game till it was time to show and go.

draeknet on May 27, 2006 at 10:44 PM

And the Stars & Stripes article hits FARK. Get ready for the hand-washing-clean-of backlash of “I didn’t know him, he doesn’t speak for me!” Not like it hasn’t already hit Daily Kos.

TalkSmack on May 28, 2006 at 12:06 AM

One more comment on this fake DD214, well actually 2.
MOS is listed as 11 bravo, uh excuse me but being a former Infantryman, which is what MOS 11B is and looking at my own 214 they do not spell out “bravo”. Okay actually I didn’t have to look at mine anybody with any Army service knows that is phony. That is simply Army talk for the letter “B”.
Second I visited a web site which purports to show this clowns real 214 and I noticed that the mailing address is Phenix City, AL. This clown took up residence in an apartment just across the bridge from Columbus, GA which is the home of Ft Benning.
For all of my Army brethren “There are only 2 kinds of people, 11B’s and wannabees” :)

LakeRuins on May 28, 2006 at 9:37 AM