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So I don’t know how to drive the point home… I think they already get the point, but I honestly think a lot of them are powerless to get tough. If they get tough and we all come out to vote, they already have a battle ahead with all of the race card pulling we’ll see from the left and lefty media (again, remember there are millions who still watch the network news). Quite simply they fear losing the election if they get tough, after making some headway with the latino vote recently. It’s not as disgusting as pandering for minority votes the way liberals do with promises of entitlements, but it’s obvious that there are going to be some tight races and with the surging latino population, getting tough on immigration might cost them the elections, and then what good are they?

So as I said, I don’t think that the GOP “doesn’t get it” really, I think they just realize they may be damned if they do, damned if they don’t. I think the thought process is: Get tough and lose the election, take a few baby steps and still have a chance.

And again, I think the most important thing to remember is how much worse we’ll be if the Dems win… not only worse on immigration, but on everything else. Can you imagine what will happen if there is nothing but investigation after investgation for the rest of Bush’s presidency? Tax hikes? Iraq Pull-Out? It’s been such a battle to get anything done with all the obstruction, week after week of phony scandles the press tries to hit the President with and we need more time to see a lot of things through.

One could hope (but don’t hold your breath) that if the GOP does retain power, that they might move forward with tougher measures after the election. But if we stay home and they lose, there’s not even a chance of that. I think we all see the necessary choice.

Bite your tongue, pal – I’m no plant. I am, however, madder than ‘ell about the disingenuous position that far too many GOP incumbents have taken on the question of amnesty for illegals. OF COURSE, there is no sensible alternative to supporting the party come Election Day – but with that in mind, exactly what you would suggest as an effective way to drive the point home?

I’m seriously beginning to think you people are liberal plants, because I don’t know any GOPers who are so simple minded and short sighted about these things.

Yes, in theory we agree that Every politician who voted in favor of amnesty for illegal aliens and “consultation for Mexico” should be handed a pink slip on Election Day, regardless of party affiliation., but let’s get real here. The Democrat voters don’t feel the same way so they will stomp us at the elections and while you will have kept RINOs from winning, you’ll have handed it to the 10x worse Dems. This is pretty simple folks.

Go back and read my previous comments, I’m tired of repeating myself about how immigration may be the most important issue right now, but it’s not the only issue, and when we don’t have an electable third party or anywhere else to turn now, you’ve got to go GOP for the greater good on other issues.

Now that another election is coming up, all of a sudden the Federal Marriage Amendment is about to come up for a vote. Why has it taken this long? Because they knew they would need a cause to rally the values voters again. Of course, by now, other issues such as immigration/border security, folks becoming weary over bad news coverage on the W.O.T., etc., have come to the forefront, and those who might’ve supported such an amendment two years ago feel betrayed, or have lost interest. This amendment will go for a vote, and be defeated in flames. The leadership will be able to say, “We tried.” But it is way too little, way too late.

Am I going to vote and hold my nose? I haven’t figured it out yet. And for me, that is a strange thing to say, having voted Republican my adult life.

I say that amnesty for the illegals is throwing the country away.

But do you think handing the election to the Democrats does anything positive? Oh great, the base sends the Republicans a message… and as I said the obstructionism of the left will multiple, even less will get done other than investigations (the Dems have already laid out that plan)… You guys act like sending this message through a protest non-vote would suddenly wake the Republicans wake up and suddenly they’ll be back in power. They could be out for decades, especially as the hispanic community continues it’s rapid growth and the media continues to be negative on the economy (49% of the people either think we are in a recession or don’t know!) bash Iraq, etc. etc. They have clearly been affective, and will only get better (well, worse from the conservative pov). Giving up one or both of the houses might send the whole thing crashing down for decades, if we’re even able to ever get anything back.

Again, immigration IS NOT THE ONLY ISSUE and we don’t have another choice… At least most Republicans are a little better than the Dems, but even if they weren’t.. even if the two were exactly the same on immigration, the Dems are clearly worse on just about everything else. Even if immigration is the most important issue, the fact is that it won’t get better by handing power over to the Dems, it can only get worse, as would everything else.. I’m just shocked that people are being this short sighted. Get some perspective here folks.

Look I’m not praising the behavior of the GOP on this… But you will accomplish NOTHING if you stay home in protest. Actually, let me phrase that as a question so perhaps I can understand better where you’re coming from…. What do you think staying home will accomplish?

I don’t know if Chief1942 is a ‘plant’ but I am not. I will send Malkin any id she wants, w-2′s. mortgage papers. She can call me and talk.

She can come to my house and I’ll show her illegals 24/7 making 80% of customers at our local big retailer, in this low Hispanic area. I can take her on a tour of every construction site in the area, including my own street, and show her who is now doing carpentry, roofing, paving, bricklaying yet our neighboring major city is black majority.

There are plants and phonies spinning all over the blogs. Some blogs are being manipulated to make it seem as if certain points of view predominate. Someone I know posted a complaint against amnesty on a famous ‘liberty loving’ site.

This person had the idea that everyone was looking at amnesty the wrong way. He argued that selectively enforcing the law is a corruption that leads inevitably to selectively ignoring our rights. This poster was banned and that simple post, his first post, was erased withing hours. Other comments indicated that all anti-Bush, or anti-amnesty posts were erased, and long-time members banned. Meanwhile, the ‘let’s-all-get-together-and-support-Bush for the sake of anti-terrorism’ posts multiplied like a spinning washer.

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‘you essentially just said that you’ll throw away the country over illegal immigration’

This is not what Chief said.

He said the war on terror doesn’t succeed unless the borders are controlled first. That is very diffenent.

I say that amnesty for the illegals is throwing the country away.

Jindal for Governor, ‘07

For those of you not from SW Texas that’s “For English Please Press One!”

We are already looking at the potential end of our country as we know it. If we don’t secure the borders, there will be no country. There will definitely be no GOP once the Dems get another 66 million instant voting block.

THIS is the time to make your voice heard. This is the time to vote for anyone who will secure our border. Send the message that we need Patriots, not politicians in Washington. If we don’t, there will be no USA left anymore. GWB’s Daddy’s New World Order will have arrived. The United States will disappear and Americanadaxico will appear. It’s coming, and the Weekly Standard type GOP at all cost cheerleaders will get what they want. FAT.

I suggest that if you stay home, they win. Vote third party for a candidate that supports your ideas and your heart. Please check out CP @ http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php. Make your voice heard this year.

Hell, if you don’t have a representative who supports Border Security, run yourself.

Well said, in a much less rambling fashion than my earlier post.

Chief1942 on May 25, 2006 at 1:27 AM

First of all Chief, I don’t know why you gave us your resume, as if that has any bearing on the discussion… seems a little suspect, but I’ll take your word that you’re a “traditionalist” (though you never went so far as to claim GOP)… But are you really that simple? You essentially just said that you’ll throw away the country over illegal immigration. Read some of the others who’ve explained the big picture here.

And by the way folks, a lot of these Rinos aren’t really Rinos but many realize that any good they do might cost them their seat when Dem candidates make a bunch of promises and throw out the race card. In their mind they want to be tough, but their hands are really tied in a lot of ways. We have already seen Hillary and Teddy campaigning at illegal rallies, and Vote Democrat flyers at the Dallas rally…

But none of that is really the point, again, there is a lot more at stake here, and handing one of both of the houses to Democrats won’t make a statement, it will screw us even further and potentially be the beginning of the end of our country, and I don’t think that’s an exaggeration.

Quite a few people are probably going to elect to be colored “effing dumb” in November 2006….

Republicans are two-faced. They claim to be in favor of smaller government and more economic freedom, but then they inflate the government and do jack about taxes. They claim to be in favor of strong borders, but do little-to-nothing. They’re highly influenced by lobbying groups such as the entertainment industry and Christian activists, which distract them.

Instead of making us more free or trimming the fat, or making things go more smoothly in Iraq, they spend their time interfering in distractions like the Terri Schiavo situation, or by supporting legislation that makes it illegal to use the DVDs we buy in the way that we want. In short, they spend their time securing campaign dollars from the groups that support them.

They pander to me, but they do not represent me. Obviously, the Democrats are no better. In many ways, it’s a wash. Republicans look better to me on paper, but when the result (big government, spending, high taxes, loss of freedom) is the same, why should I care which of the two evils is put into power?

I’m voting Libertarian, everywhere that I can. Republicans have had my support and have squandered it. Rewarding them with continued support merely lets them know that they can get away with it.

I certainly understand the concept of voting for the lesser of two likely evils… I’m not on a high horse. I just can’t personally justify it anymore.

One idea I had was to do a vote pact. That is, hook up with someone who normally votes democrat as the lesser of two evils (e.g. is against socialism, but just disagrees with the war in Iraq) and have both of us agree to vote Libertarian. That way, neither of the two evils is supported, and an attractive third party is advanced.

This is a great post and I imagine you should save a copy in Notepad because you’re going to want to re-paste it a few more times between now and November. You’ve stated the essence of the matter very well.

All that being said, it’s not so simple my friend.

The REALLY angry base is already way over the GOP. They’re Republicans, all right, but they are pissed off beyond belief at some of our national leaders.

These are the people who have watched their neighborhoods disappear in the past few years as the single-family homes are quickly being transformed into multi-multi-family dwellings; the ones who have moved or are selling their houses in a desperate attempt to hold onto some of the equity they spent the past two decades supposedly building up; the ones who used to be contractors or carpenters who are now looking for work because those two trades are GONE.

There’s a bunch of these folks, take my word for it. They’ve been through bad times. And their number is growing, unfortunately.

I don’t know where you live, Allah, but I live 2,000 miles from Mexico and my town is undergoing radical changes because for some reason this became one of the “anchor” communities for illegal immigrants. The numbers are staggering. As one city official said, our neighborhoods are being transformed into barrios.

Personally, I’m with you for the most part. I’m not staying home in November and I sure as heck am not voting for a liberal. Some people, however, will not vote for anyone who is liberal on immigration, no matter the candidate’s stand on any other issue.

Those of you saying we “can’t win the war without securing the borders” obviously ignore the fact that the Dhimmicrats WILL NOT secure the borders (that’s a guarantee). They’ll also take away every tool we have to fight the war as well.

And let me personally thank every fool who voted third party and elected CLINTON, because of the seditious criminals in the CIA and FBI who can’t keep their big fat mouths shut when romanced by their pals at the New York Times. They’re Clinton people, remember?

Go ahead, sit home, vote third party, whatever. But guess what: millions of potential illegals hope you do it too, just like Bin Laden, Ahmadinejad, Zarqawi, etc. hope so.
Suck it up.

If the RNC starts taking the political tact in terms of campaigning that the republican party is better because democrats are war-pussies …
Asmodeus on May 24, 2006 at 8:49 PM

They AREN’T saying that. WE are. I’m not the RNC, and I don’t see anyone here IDing themselves as such.

Thanks for posting this, Allah. I’m way beyond furious and disgusted with those who have absolutely no concept of the big picture or any political acumen whatsoever. (I’m trying to be civil about it here.)

Easy87us

Republicans are more against illegals than Democrats! This cannot possibly be a reason to vote them out! How can you say that voting in the Republican will lose this country while voting in Democrats will not? This is garbage talk!

I suspect many Democrats are spreading propaganda to persuade the conservatives not to vote GOP!

Please, don’t let them convince you. It is not making sense! Voting in Democrats is much worse than keeping the GOP in.

Easy87us