Why, in spite of it all, I’m not staying home in November
posted at 6:28 pm on May 24, 2006 by Allahpundit
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Rick Moran and Jeff Goldstein can’t believe 45% of Americans suspect a 9/11 cover-up. I can, but then, I’m a New Yorker. Thomas Lifson and Screw Loose Change question the poll’s methodology, but they’re worried nonetheless. So am I, although in all candor, when I look at the actual numbers, it’s not the fact that most Democrats believe in a cover-up that worries me. I’ve been working off that assumption for years. It’s the fact that only 70% of Republicans are satisfied with the 9/11 investigations to date that’s got me worried. I think the Commissar’s comment on Moran’s post explains most of it, but surely it’s just a matter of time until Sullivan claims that wayward 30% as having been driven over the edge into cloudcuckooland by Bush’s incompetence. Call it … Ray McGovern redux.
Why am I voting GOP, then? Here’s why. From an MIT poll taken last November:
They asked, “In 2001, the United States invaded Afghanistan; we still have approximately 10,000 American soldiers there. Do you think the United States made a mistake in sending military forces to Afghanistan?
Of all respondents, 76 percent said it was “not a mistake.” The partisan breakdown is 59 percent of Democrats, 78 percent of Independents, and 94 percent of Republicans.
In other words, about 41 percent of Democrats now either oppose the invasion of Afghanistan after 9/11, or didn’t know/refused to answer.
When asked, “Would you approve of the use of U.S. military troops to destroy a terrorist camp?” only 57.3 percent of Democrats answered, “yes.” About 69 percent of independents and 95 percent of Republicans answered “yes.”
If their base voters have views like this, how hawkish can elected Democrats be?
Go look at the other answers. Tapscott made some shrewd points last week, but the stakes are simply too high for a protest vote (or non-vote), I think. I hate to say it — especially when the Senate is on the verge of passing that awful immigration bill — but they’ve got us by the shorthairs. When push comes to shove, better that we have pro-amnesty politicians who support taking out terror camps than pro-amnesty politicians who can “see it from both sides.” So, count me as a Geraghtyite. Reluctantly.
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A sad state of affairs when American citizens are put in the position of choosing the lesser of two evils as a Congress, since we already always have to do that in presidential races. Something tells me we have totally lost control of our country, and will never get it back. It belongs to idiots and panderers and el presidente Fox’s minions. If there was only some way to throw ALL of Congress out and start over….
clyde on May 24, 2006 at 6:37 PM
I called one of my senators today, clearly and loudly letting
the office worker who answered the phone my vote for re-election counted on which way the amnesty for illegals vote went. Otherwise I’ll be voting and campaigning against this
senator.
quark2 on May 24, 2006 at 6:46 PM
So then, no matter who gets elected, if you’re a terrorist, just set up camps south of the border. Problem solved.
The War on Terror cannot be won without securing our borders and ports.
speed647 on May 24, 2006 at 6:46 PM
We can only ‘protest vote’ when we are alive. Unfortunately these are high stakes and we have to consider survival first and ‘clean out the pig-sties’ on-going, versus all at once.
Also, we can’t allow the terrorists to burn Rome, I mean DC, while Mrs. Pelosi & all hold impeachment hearings…
Thanks for the reality check and wake-up call for all disappointed conservatives, independents and the sane Democrats.
Entelechy on May 24, 2006 at 6:51 PM
As furious as I am about the immigration debate and the general ineptness of congress, I will still be voting this November. To their credit, my representative and my senator that is up for re-election have been solidly on the right side of the immigration debate (as well as on the DPW fiasco) and thus should not be punished for the sins of RINOs like McVain, DeWine, Chaffee, and so forth.
However, if I lived in a state that had a senator that was on the wrong side of the immigration debate, I would definitely adjust my actions accordingly, e.g., if I live in Ohio I would work to get rid of DeWine in either the primary campaign or would withold my vote from him in the general election.
In general, pro-enforcement conservatives should mobilize to defeat those candidates of *either* party who are on the wrong side of the immigration debate, as you cannot be strong on national security unless you are first strong on border security.
thirteen28 on May 24, 2006 at 7:10 PM
until we change the status quo of a two party system-both corrupt and no longer look out for whats best for america.
clyde-ditto
the country is like a run-a-way train,if something is not done to change it’s course soon,it will surly crash!!!
we hear about the clash of cultures,well we have one right here on our soil(socialist left vs. conservative right)
what we think of america(mom-apple pie and the red,white and blue no longer exist) just read michelle malkins new book to see how out of control the left has become.we need a viable party that stands for american values and not just a independent candidate who will only siphon votes from one
candidate(helping the other)
we need a new party!!!
mike hale on May 24, 2006 at 7:10 PM
In the Pre-9/11 World, I can see a protest vote, or staying home to make a point, but not now. No matter what your pet issue is, it’s not gonna matter anymore when terrorists have set off bio, chem, or nuke weapons in our cities and the Dhimmicrats in charge announce our surrender.
Vote Pubbie, vote conservative, just freakin’ vote! We can’t afford to stay home during war time!
Tony737 on May 24, 2006 at 7:13 PM
South Park had it right on this one:
It always comes down to a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich.
Sad to say but I’m beginning to understand what Reagan meant when he said “I didn’t leave the Democratic party, the Democratic party left me”. There needs to be a shake-up in the senate and in the Republican party. It’s just a question of at what price?
Grunt2Jag on May 24, 2006 at 7:15 PM
I never planned to stay home on November.
But I’m definitely going to attempt to kick out the idiots from Congress.
Enoxo on May 24, 2006 at 7:52 PM
I intend to cast my vote for sure, but I must admit that I will be carefully considering each vote I make.
And this brings up another consideration, are we really getting the best and most capable people for the job?
I’m sorry if this offends anyone but I have to ask myself if the current crop of politicians, from either party, are the best we can do?
I mean no one can honestly tell me that out of a nation of 300 million + that John Kerry was the best the Dems could put forward to be the President of the United States.
You also can’t tell me that the best of the republican party is in Congress or the Senate.
I feel more like the problem isn’t as much about how many parties there are, but in how they choose who runs.
Cpilot on May 24, 2006 at 8:05 PM
“I think the Commissar’s comment on Moran’s post explains most of it”
What is Moran’s Post? Jim Moran? That guy LOVES me.
E5infantry on May 24, 2006 at 8:16 PM
Disregard, I am a non-”reading is fundamental” asshat.
E5infantry on May 24, 2006 at 8:16 PM
Disregard.
E5infantry on May 24, 2006 at 8:18 PM
This is why the ‘08 Republican primary is crucial (or would be, if there were anyone in the field that was halfway decent on immigration). They’ll all be okay with destroying terrorist camps, so that’s the time to make immigration count.
But then, this would be the case even if Democrats weren’t so soft on terrorists, because nothing will ever get done on immigration unless the executive’s heart is in it. The job is just too big.
Alex K on May 24, 2006 at 8:31 PM
If the RNC starts taking the political tact in terms of campaigning that the republican party is better because democrats are war-pussies, then who do you think will generally win? the people are pissed off at congress regardless of political stripe period. people are pissed off at bush because his message is fuzzy and unclear on securing the border and dealing with illegal aliens that are invadig our country.
if congress nor the president wish to hear the american clarion call on this issue, then they will lose and it’s already being reflected in the poll numbers. even if you don’t like polls you can still sense that the american public knows they are being ignored by the political powerbrokers for the sake of their own hides and milking special interest money. bush isn’t immune from this and his yes/no hesitation on dealing with this issue, not being a solid leader, and further promoting that mexico is our friend has been political suicide for him and he’s dragged the republican controlled congress over the bridge with him.
Asmodeus on May 24, 2006 at 8:49 PM
Let the Republicans lose this one. Then they can get back in touch with their base for a resounding victory in 2008 – after the Dems shock the country with their lunacy. The politicians must be punished or it will be business as usual.
Painful yes. But medicine seldom tastes good.
moc23 on May 24, 2006 at 8:57 PM
Good for you.
Some guys ( Savage, e.g) want to throw the GOP out so we can have a third party. This thought is not only wrong, but dangerous. You have to be out of your freaking mind to let Democrats run this country for 4 years!
To build a third party, we must defeat the Democrats to a point that they break up themselves. Then we can proceed to break up the Republican party to create a new party. In this strategy we do not have to surrender the country to the dangerous Democrats!It is committing suicide to let the Demo run this country unopposed! They may let China annex us!
That is why you must vote GOP until we break up the Democratic Party!
Easy87us
easy87us on May 24, 2006 at 9:10 PM
I helped elect CLinton by going third party. I said I would never do that again. That was before the immigration war.
A vote for a Democrat means my country is run by appeasers. However, a vote for a Republican soft on illegal immigration means I no longer have a country to worry about.
The 10 million who may already be 20 million counting the next generation being born all over this land as I write, along with the next 10 million illegals who will come over anyway since it worked for the last 10 million, become the only swing vote for the rest of my lifetime. Their numbers are spread and spreading over all states, not just the southwest.
That does not include the ongoing displacement of the American blue collar class by the invaders in collusion with the employer class, and the politico technocrat classes. The middle class is the reason for America’s greatness, supplied its loyal soldiers, and was the governor of the general decency of our society.
Blue collar America cannot survive this displacement.
If I vote in a pro-illegal Republican to maintain the current level of the war on terror my country gets a rewrite. The culture is pushed aside and then replaced by a group that basically says the land belongs to them, not to current citizens or even immigrants from other cultures. In places where they have attained the numbers, they vote this way, electing meccha and la raza, promoting even more illegal entries.
If the immigration fiasco was about 100,000 Mexican boat-people there is no problem. This however, is 10 percent of Mexico, going on 20 and other ethnic groups hot on their heels.
We might survive bombs and poisons, a loss of people or buildings. America the nation won’t survive the illegal invasion.
I feel like the soldier who has to carry a live grenade to enemy lines to save his comrades. Might not work. May not survive. But there is no alternative
entagor on May 24, 2006 at 9:19 PM
The current Republican Party has sold us out. I turn off Fred Barnes everytime he is on TV now. His strange rationalization of illegal entry is beyond the pale. Like Bush, he thinks the public is too stupid to notice a hoax when we see one.
pat on May 24, 2006 at 9:27 PM
I agree. I watched Fred Barnes after Bush’s speech. You could tell he was with the program.
Our local FOX affiliate also soft peddaed the immigration bill this morning. If you didn’t have the internet, you would think they were going to build a fence along the whole border, crack down on illegal hiring, and give no privileges to the illegals.
I stumbled upon the Senate bill on the Thomas website.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:SN02611:
Go to ‘Text of s.2611′
I am not a lawyer, but what I read made my blood boil. Probably clotted and gave me a stroke too.
typical: mandatory detention of illegals at port of entry, if not a national security risk release on $5000 bond with a note to report. Penalty fine, or prison or both.
In this bill prison was mandatory only for terrorist related detainees, otherwise a fine or prison or both was A-ok.
Aliens eligible for admission under this act may be paroled pending their application. If they are supposed to leave, the law has provision to encourage the alien to depart voluntarily! Failure to depart results in a fine of $3000. Government may rely upon the most recent address received from the alien to send any legal notices.If the alien has more than once provided a bogus address they may then be considered a flight risk. After the second bogus address?
Aliens cant be prosecuted for crimes related to illegal entry, including human smuggling, passport fraud counterfieting if the crime is over 10 years old.
Regions with high unemployment beginning one year after the act takes effect, employers may not be allowed in some cases to prefer aliens. Note the act gives employers one year to hire like crazy.
This is just stuff I cherry picked.
Fred Barnes thinks this is a reasonable solution?
entagor on May 24, 2006 at 9:53 PM
Allahpundit-hu-akbar. Thank you for writing this post. I’m not going to get in to the whole immigration debate again here, because that’s not the real issue. I am just really glad to see someone with a larger audience saying what I’ve been saying. This is not the time for a protest vote. You think we’re screwed now? Can you imagine if the Dems take either house?
Let’s see, we already have out of power Democrats controlling things through obstruction and their friends in the media… Filibusters, stomping their feet, calling for investigations, etc. etc. Nothing ever gets done.
We already know that Democrats plan to start a round of investigations aimed at taking down the president if they win so even less would get done and they (being the REAL “dividers” in the country) will tear the country further and further apart. I’m just not sure all those insisting on staying home are looking at the big picture here. Those protest voters claim to be doing so because of the most important issues we face (and I’m sure they honestly believe they would be), but if you’re truly looking at the greater good and the big picture you certainly have to choose in favor of voting GOP. What, do you think allowing the Dems to walk in without a fight will do anything better for immigration? It may be the biggest issue, but it’s not the only issue, and you know it will only be worse under Democrats.
I just beg anyone considering a protest vote to really think it through… You would essentially be handing it to the Dems that have become the most evil and far left party the country has ever seen. THIS IS NOT THE TIME!
RightWinged on May 24, 2006 at 9:56 PM
One reason to vote that I seldom see mentioned is that there may be yet an additional Supreme Court vacancy. That in itself should be motivation enough.
rockdalian on May 24, 2006 at 10:26 PM
I am not going to make a protest vote. I have never voted for spite. I also found out the hard way that I wasted a vote on a third party. In that case,however, the GOP candidate was a better choice than the DEM candidate.
I well understand the DEM hard core. They are globalists, not nationalists, and socialist multiculturalists. THey also intend to erase America the nation I love. I am well aware they are salivating to install the new illegal socialist leaning voting bloc from Mexico.
However, a Republican who supports amnesty for the illegals is also, de facto, erasing the nation I love. They also will institute the largest corruption of the rule of law in our nations history, because it would not be ‘fair’ to uphold the laws on the books. They are also moving to blatantly avoid the consent of the governed by replacing the governed en masse.
Exactly when Rome fell I cannot say. Exactly when the Senate of Rome stopped worshipping the law, and started worshipping for convenience the Emperor I cannot say. But I do know we are at that point here. From that there is no cure.
I do not see my rejection of any politician who supports amnesty and mass migration as a better choice. No nation can survive unless it maintains its borders. This is a choice that precedes all other possibilities. Because if amnesty comes, it is irrecoverable. Period.
Therefore I see any pro-amnesty, soft border vote as the death of America. I will vote for the candidate who opposes this absolutely, if I have to write-in. I know that a write-in would not elect anyone. It would only document my recognition of the end of my nation.
entagor on May 24, 2006 at 10:26 PM
Dean Barnett at Soxblog had a good post about this last week. Scroll down to “Thursday, May 18, 2006 CASTOR OIL WRONG Rx.” (I can’t get the permalink thingy to work.)
Short version: “FOR ME, THE ANALYSIS GOES TO basic principles. Namely, what is the biggest issue of the day? The biggest issue of the day from history’s viewpoint will undoubtedly be civilization’s struggle with radical Islam.” He says it would be hard to be upset if the Republicans got what they deserved. Except . . . “unfortunately, we don’t have time for party purification at the moment. History’s moving too fast. We can’t take two years off for John Conyers to mount impeachment proceedings while the liberal blogosphere does multiple victory laps.”
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on May 24, 2006 at 10:46 PM
I agree with Allah “the stakes are to high”. First things first, we can deal with the RINOS later. Our first priroity is to hold congress. A “protest vote” is a losing vote. “Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water”.
birdman on May 24, 2006 at 11:15 PM
I suspect a 9/11 cover up which is being done to hide more of Cigarmans handywork. The only reason I don’t fault Bush is because he wasn’t in office long enough to make necessary changes. Today he doesn’t have that excuse though.
I wouldn’t be in any hurry to vote this year, but I’ve seen it reported how conservatives in other states are getting rid of their RHINO’s, and working to replace them with real conservatives. I would like to do that.
I am an American. I refuse to settle. :o)
DannoJyd on May 24, 2006 at 11:51 PM
Here’s an idea I posted elsewhere, but it seems to fit here.
With 2.5 years left in office, President Bush should switch parties and declare as a Democrat. Jump far to the left of the Sheehans and Frankens, start working with the Dems in Congress earnestly, invite the Dix Chix to play at the WH. If Helen Thomas brings up Mexicans during a press conference, he should stare at her, say, “I feel their pain.” bite his lower lip and pause.
If, as a Democratic President he can foul up the country for two and half years, (Did I mention replacing Cheney with John Edwards?)the Republicans could run anybody, even Hillary in 2008 and win. It’s called taking one for the team. Howard Dean would need a feeding tube, Al Franken would be speechless. (I mean it! Really speechless! Al Franken!)
Doug on May 24, 2006 at 11:54 PM
Are you in your right mind to suggest us to vote for Democrats? How can you vote for Democrats because Republicans are pro illegals? All Democrats are pro illegals and pro open borders! You have at least 60% of the Republicans against amnesty and they still control the house. The House will not let us down!
Republicans are more against illegals than Democrats! This cannot possibly be a reason to vote them out! How can you say that voting in the Republican will lose this country while voting in Democrats will not? This is garbage talk!
I suspect many Democrats are spreading propaganda to persuade the conservatives not to vote GOP!
Please, don’t let them convince you. It is not making sense! Voting in Democrats is much worse than keeping the GOP in.
Easy87us
easy87us on May 25, 2006 at 12:10 AM
In fact, this is a do or die election. The Democrats are out to demoralize the GOP base now! Please tell everyone you know….GO OUT AND VOTE GOP! If we let DNC has their way then we are over!
Easy87us
easy87us on May 25, 2006 at 12:14 AM
easy87us “The Democrats are out to demoralize the GOP base now”! Right on. “GO OUT AND VOTE GOP”. Don’t let the Dems push their agenda.
birdman on May 25, 2006 at 12:19 AM
Ditto everything Easy87us has said.
Those of you saying we “can’t win the war without securing the borders” obviously ignore the fact that the Dhimmicrats WILL NOT secure the borders (that’s a guarantee). They’ll also take away every tool we have to fight the war as well.
And let me personally thank every fool who voted third party and elected CLINTON, because of the seditious criminals in the CIA and FBI who can’t keep their big fat mouths shut when romanced by their pals at the New York Times. They’re Clinton people, remember?
Go ahead, sit home, vote third party, whatever. But guess what: millions of potential illegals hope you do it too, just like Bin Laden, Ahmadinejad, Zarqawi, etc. hope so.
Suck it up.
If the RNC starts taking the political tact in terms of campaigning that the republican party is better because democrats are war-pussies …
Asmodeus on May 24, 2006 at 8:49 PM
They AREN’T saying that. WE are. I’m not the RNC, and I don’t see anyone here IDing themselves as such.
Thanks for posting this, Allah. I’m way beyond furious and disgusted with those who have absolutely no concept of the big picture or any political acumen whatsoever. (I’m trying to be civil about it here.)
bamapachyderm on May 25, 2006 at 12:34 AM
Allah,
This is a great post and I imagine you should save a copy in Notepad because you’re going to want to re-paste it a few more times between now and November. You’ve stated the essence of the matter very well.
All that being said, it’s not so simple my friend.
The REALLY angry base is already way over the GOP. They’re Republicans, all right, but they are pissed off beyond belief at some of our national leaders.
These are the people who have watched their neighborhoods disappear in the past few years as the single-family homes are quickly being transformed into multi-multi-family dwellings; the ones who have moved or are selling their houses in a desperate attempt to hold onto some of the equity they spent the past two decades supposedly building up; the ones who used to be contractors or carpenters who are now looking for work because those two trades are GONE.
There’s a bunch of these folks, take my word for it. They’ve been through bad times. And their number is growing, unfortunately.
I don’t know where you live, Allah, but I live 2,000 miles from Mexico and my town is undergoing radical changes because for some reason this became one of the “anchor” communities for illegal immigrants. The numbers are staggering. As one city official said, our neighborhoods are being transformed into barrios.
Personally, I’m with you for the most part. I’m not staying home in November and I sure as heck am not voting for a liberal. Some people, however, will not vote for anyone who is liberal on immigration, no matter the candidate’s stand on any other issue.
climacus on May 25, 2006 at 1:11 AM
Sorry folks but I’m 63, 4 years USMC, college educated, 30 years Firefighter in SoCal, and traditionalist to the core, and the Republican Party leadership has sold us out. I have nothing but disdain for anything Democrat, but I absolutely refuse to be taken for granted and have my voice ignored by the party I helped put in power. I speak with many, many others that fit my profile and they feel the same way. If they lost us, they have lost millions of others like us also. The Republicans are going to see themselves once again the minority party in Congress after this November. It is not to teach anybody a lesson, it is simply not voting for anyone, regardless of party, who had a hand in selling out this country to the interests of 12+ million foreign nationals illegally within our borders. Put whatever little childish labels you wish on us, but it will not change what is coming in November ‘06 and ‘08.
Chief1942 on May 25, 2006 at 1:27 AM
In 2004, I was able to choose the lesser of two likely evils and vote for Bush. No way in hell I’d do it again. As much as I support military action in Afghanistan and Iraq, I’ve come to realize the following:
Republicans are two-faced. They claim to be in favor of smaller government and more economic freedom, but then they inflate the government and do jack about taxes. They claim to be in favor of strong borders, but do little-to-nothing. They’re highly influenced by lobbying groups such as the entertainment industry and Christian activists, which distract them.
Instead of making us more free or trimming the fat, or making things go more smoothly in Iraq, they spend their time interfering in distractions like the Terri Schiavo situation, or by supporting legislation that makes it illegal to use the DVDs we buy in the way that we want. In short, they spend their time securing campaign dollars from the groups that support them.
They pander to me, but they do not represent me. Obviously, the Democrats are no better. In many ways, it’s a wash. Republicans look better to me on paper, but when the result (big government, spending, high taxes, loss of freedom) is the same, why should I care which of the two evils is put into power?
I’m voting Libertarian, everywhere that I can. Republicans have had my support and have squandered it. Rewarding them with continued support merely lets them know that they can get away with it.
I certainly understand the concept of voting for the lesser of two likely evils… I’m not on a high horse. I just can’t personally justify it anymore.
One idea I had was to do a vote pact. That is, hook up with someone who normally votes democrat as the lesser of two evils (e.g. is against socialism, but just disagrees with the war in Iraq) and have both of us agree to vote Libertarian. That way, neither of the two evils is supported, and an attractive third party is advanced.
Mark Jaquith on May 25, 2006 at 1:43 AM
Those of you saying we “can’t win the war without securing the borders” obviously ignore the fact that the Dhimmicrats WILL NOT secure the borders (that’s a guarantee). They’ll also take away every tool we have to fight the war as well.
Well said, in a much less rambling fashion than my earlier post.
Sorry folks but I’m 63, 4 years USMC, college educated, 30 years Firefighter in SoCal, and traditionalist to the core, and the Republican Party leadership has sold us out. I have nothing but disdain for anything Democrat, but I absolutely refuse to be taken for granted and have my voice ignored by the party I helped put in power. I speak with many, many others that fit my profile and they feel the same way. If they lost us, they have lost millions of others like us also. The Republicans are going to see themselves once again the minority party in Congress after this November. It is not to teach anybody a lesson, it is simply not voting for anyone, regardless of party, who had a hand in selling out this country to the interests of 12+ million foreign nationals illegally within our borders. Put whatever little childish labels you wish on us, but it will not change what is coming in November ‘06 and ‘08.
Chief1942 on May 25, 2006 at 1:27 AM
First of all Chief, I don’t know why you gave us your resume, as if that has any bearing on the discussion… seems a little suspect, but I’ll take your word that you’re a “traditionalist” (though you never went so far as to claim GOP)… But are you really that simple? You essentially just said that you’ll throw away the country over illegal immigration. Read some of the others who’ve explained the big picture here.
And by the way folks, a lot of these Rinos aren’t really Rinos but many realize that any good they do might cost them their seat when Dem candidates make a bunch of promises and throw out the race card. In their mind they want to be tough, but their hands are really tied in a lot of ways. We have already seen Hillary and Teddy campaigning at illegal rallies, and Vote Democrat flyers at the Dallas rally…
But none of that is really the point, again, there is a lot more at stake here, and handing one of both of the houses to Democrats won’t make a statement, it will screw us even further and potentially be the beginning of the end of our country, and I don’t think that’s an exaggeration.
RightWinged on May 25, 2006 at 3:14 AM
When are we going to bill Mexico for all the Illegals we are forced to support with our Welfare checks?
Federali on May 25, 2006 at 6:37 AM
I agree with the posters who say we’ve been sold out by RINOS. Someone once said the Republicans were the slow boat to perdition, the Democrats the fast boat.
When I vote it will be to buy time–while holding my nose–
I only wish there were a viable 3rd party,conservative and having America’s interests come first.Another hope is,vote the RINOS out at the primaries,get Republican candidates who are really Republicans.
But I know this country will fall in double-quick time if the Dems take over the whole ball of wax. This is a party of fellow travelers,sixties true-believers,stubborn hard left socialists,and this new lost generation of the brainwashed. They’ll destroy us, gladly,and consider themselves saviors of the world while doing it.
Vote!
lizzee on May 25, 2006 at 6:46 AM
Two years of Democrat-led bleeding heart ineptitude could at least have the end result of bringing in a new crop of committed small government/national security republicans.
Mark V. on May 25, 2006 at 8:54 AM
I agree with Chief. The GOP is treating its base like the Dems treat the blacks. They pretty much do whatever they want, pay us lip service, pimp us out to lobbyist and dare us to go somewhere else. Where else are you going to vote?
We are already looking at the potential end of our country as we know it. If we don’t secure the borders, there will be no country. There will definitely be no GOP once the Dems get another 66 million instant voting block.
THIS is the time to make your voice heard. This is the time to vote for anyone who will secure our border. Send the message that we need Patriots, not politicians in Washington. If we don’t, there will be no USA left anymore. GWB’s Daddy’s New World Order will have arrived. The United States will disappear and Americanadaxico will appear. It’s coming, and the Weekly Standard type GOP at all cost cheerleaders will get what they want. FAT.
I suggest that if you stay home, they win. Vote third party for a candidate that supports your ideas and your heart. Please check out CP @ http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php. Make your voice heard this year.
Hell, if you don’t have a representative who supports Border Security, run yourself.
robman27 on May 25, 2006 at 9:51 AM
I fully expect to one day call Spector’s office and hear “para el inglés presione por favor uno”!
For those of you not from SW Texas that’s “For English Please Press One!”
Dread Pirate Roberts VI on May 25, 2006 at 11:41 AM
Thankfully, my senator (and my friend) is David Vitter. Yeah, yeah, so’s Mary Landrieu, but her brother, Mitch, was thumped last Saturday, jeopardizing Mary’s seat and putting her on a diet of Maalox. There’s hope kids. If the State Stuck on Stupid can elect the likes of David Vitter (Bobby Jindal, too) and, perhaps, jettison Maalox Mary, other states can do the same. Recruit candidates well!
Jindal for Governor, ‘07
Aunt B on May 25, 2006 at 11:53 AM
“First of all Chief, I don’t know why you gave us your resume, as if that has any bearing on the discussion… seems a little suspect, but I’ll take your word that you’re a “traditionalist” (though you never went so far as to claim GOP)… But are you really that simple? You essentially just said that you’ll throw away the country over illegal immigration”
I don’t know if Chief1942 is a ‘plant’ but I am not. I will send Malkin any id she wants, w-2’s. mortgage papers. She can call me and talk.
She can come to my house and I’ll show her illegals 24/7 making 80% of customers at our local big retailer, in this low Hispanic area. I can take her on a tour of every construction site in the area, including my own street, and show her who is now doing carpentry, roofing, paving, bricklaying yet our neighboring major city is black majority.
There are plants and phonies spinning all over the blogs. Some blogs are being manipulated to make it seem as if certain points of view predominate. Someone I know posted a complaint against amnesty on a famous ‘liberty loving’ site.
This person had the idea that everyone was looking at amnesty the wrong way. He argued that selectively enforcing the law is a corruption that leads inevitably to selectively ignoring our rights. This poster was banned and that simple post, his first post, was erased withing hours. Other comments indicated that all anti-Bush, or anti-amnesty posts were erased, and long-time members banned. Meanwhile, the ‘let’s-all-get-together-and-support-Bush for the sake of anti-terrorism’ posts multiplied like a spinning washer.
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‘you essentially just said that you’ll throw away the country over illegal immigration’
This is not what Chief said.
He said the war on terror doesn’t succeed unless the borders are controlled first. That is very diffenent.
I say that amnesty for the illegals is throwing the country away.
entagor on May 25, 2006 at 1:41 PM
One of my co-workers claims to be “Libertarian” She isn’t. She’s a Liberal with a capital “L”. Voted for Kerry. Stick with the Republican party, but keep officials in line by demanding that they keep to Conservative ideals. We don’t send them to Washington to sell their vote, as their vote is OUR vote. Keep them honest. Verify. And I’ll keep preaching: Term Limits. Term Limits is the whip with which we should be able to keep the Political Beast in line. It’s hard to get a lifetime politico such as a Kennedy to pay attention to the people-he knows that he can be re-elected until he’s as old as Robert Byrd. Term Limits would definitely give the voice back to the people, one that the Kennedys and Frists know they must listen to.
I’m even radical enough to call for retroactive Term Limits:that any Senator or Representative who has already served two terms is done-this is his last term. Any politico in their first term would be allowed only one more, just like the President. Then they must return to the private sector and live under the laws they’ve made.
I know I’m a dreamer-don’t wake me.
Doug on May 25, 2006 at 2:40 PM
This is not what Chief said.
He said the war on terror doesn’t succeed unless the borders are controlled first. That is very diffenent.
I say that amnesty for the illegals is throwing the country away.
But do you think handing the election to the Democrats does anything positive? Oh great, the base sends the Republicans a message… and as I said the obstructionism of the left will multiple, even less will get done other than investigations (the Dems have already laid out that plan)… You guys act like sending this message through a protest non-vote would suddenly wake the Republicans wake up and suddenly they’ll be back in power. They could be out for decades, especially as the hispanic community continues it’s rapid growth and the media continues to be negative on the economy (49% of the people either think we are in a recession or don’t know!) bash Iraq, etc. etc. They have clearly been affective, and will only get better (well, worse from the conservative pov). Giving up one or both of the houses might send the whole thing crashing down for decades, if we’re even able to ever get anything back.
Again, immigration IS NOT THE ONLY ISSUE and we don’t have another choice… At least most Republicans are a little better than the Dems, but even if they weren’t.. even if the two were exactly the same on immigration, the Dems are clearly worse on just about everything else. Even if immigration is the most important issue, the fact is that it won’t get better by handing power over to the Dems, it can only get worse, as would everything else.. I’m just shocked that people are being this short sighted. Get some perspective here folks.
Look I’m not praising the behavior of the GOP on this… But you will accomplish NOTHING if you stay home in protest. Actually, let me phrase that as a question so perhaps I can understand better where you’re coming from…. What do you think staying home will accomplish?
RightWinged on May 25, 2006 at 6:53 PM
In 2004, the Republicans received a “mandate” by so called “values voters.” Since then, the only thing we received for our vote was two well-qualified Supreme Court (and perhaps several appelate court) nominees. But then again, they also tried to slip in Harriet Meiers. We didn’t buy it.
Now that another election is coming up, all of a sudden the Federal Marriage Amendment is about to come up for a vote. Why has it taken this long? Because they knew they would need a cause to rally the values voters again. Of course, by now, other issues such as immigration/border security, folks becoming weary over bad news coverage on the W.O.T., etc., have come to the forefront, and those who might’ve supported such an amendment two years ago feel betrayed, or have lost interest. This amendment will go for a vote, and be defeated in flames. The leadership will be able to say, “We tried.” But it is way too little, way too late.
Am I going to vote and hold my nose? I haven’t figured it out yet. And for me, that is a strange thing to say, having voted Republican my adult life.
Chappy on May 26, 2006 at 2:23 AM
Sorry, but I’m drawing the line on this issue – too many like McCain crossed it by voting to approve “consultation” w/ Mexico over U.S. border fences. If they’re going to violate the public trust on issues like amnesty for illegal aliens, why should they be trusted to exercise good judgment on issues like the need to bomb enemy terrorist camps in Afghanistan? Every politician who voted in favor of amnesty for illegal aliens and “consultation for Mexico” should be handed a pink slip on Election Day, regardless of party affiliation. I am through with the GOP, and I’ll be doing what I can to get others to follow. These clowns don’t stand for anything any longer.
SpartRan on May 26, 2006 at 9:41 AM
Every politician who voted in favor of amnesty for illegal aliens and “consultation for Mexico” should be handed a pink slip on Election Day, regardless of party affiliation. I am through with the GOP, and I’ll be doing what I can to get others to follow. These clowns don’t stand for anything any longer.
I’m seriously beginning to think you people are liberal plants, because I don’t know any GOPers who are so simple minded and short sighted about these things.
Yes, in theory we agree that Every politician who voted in favor of amnesty for illegal aliens and “consultation for Mexico” should be handed a pink slip on Election Day, regardless of party affiliation., but let’s get real here. The Democrat voters don’t feel the same way so they will stomp us at the elections and while you will have kept RINOs from winning, you’ll have handed it to the 10x worse Dems. This is pretty simple folks.
Go back and read my previous comments, I’m tired of repeating myself about how immigration may be the most important issue right now, but it’s not the only issue, and when we don’t have an electable third party or anywhere else to turn now, you’ve got to go GOP for the greater good on other issues.
RightWinged on May 26, 2006 at 2:04 PM
“I’m seriously beginning to think you people are liberal plants…”
Bite your tongue, pal – I’m no plant. I am, however, madder than ‘ell about the disingenuous position that far too many GOP incumbents have taken on the question of amnesty for illegals. OF COURSE, there is no sensible alternative to supporting the party come Election Day – but with that in mind, exactly what you would suggest as an effective way to drive the point home?
SpartRan on May 27, 2006 at 2:04 AM
SpartRan, I’m not even going to pretend to have an answer to that. I just wanted to make the point that not voting will only cause negative results. People are understandably mad about the Rinos’ behavior, but the alternative is ten times worse, when you factor in other issues, and not voting is essentially a vote for the Dems. You can’t “send a message” as it were by doing this because we’re lucky to have been in power at all with the liberalism of the most powerful arm of the our country… the media. Can anyone conceive of a time when Republicans would be back in power if they lost this election? Taking “the right” side of this issue will only make them less electable, particularly as the latino percentage of the population continues to grow at a rapid pace, and just imagine the media.
So I don’t know how to drive the point home… I think they already get the point, but I honestly think a lot of them are powerless to get tough. If they get tough and we all come out to vote, they already have a battle ahead with all of the race card pulling we’ll see from the left and lefty media (again, remember there are millions who still watch the network news). Quite simply they fear losing the election if they get tough, after making some headway with the latino vote recently. It’s not as disgusting as pandering for minority votes the way liberals do with promises of entitlements, but it’s obvious that there are going to be some tight races and with the surging latino population, getting tough on immigration might cost them the elections, and then what good are they?
So as I said, I don’t think that the GOP “doesn’t get it” really, I think they just realize they may be damned if they do, damned if they don’t. I think the thought process is: Get tough and lose the election, take a few baby steps and still have a chance.
And again, I think the most important thing to remember is how much worse we’ll be if the Dems win… not only worse on immigration, but on everything else. Can you imagine what will happen if there is nothing but investigation after investgation for the rest of Bush’s presidency? Tax hikes? Iraq Pull-Out? It’s been such a battle to get anything done with all the obstruction, week after week of phony scandles the press tries to hit the President with and we need more time to see a lot of things through.
One could hope (but don’t hold your breath) that if the GOP does retain power, that they might move forward with tougher measures after the election. But if we stay home and they lose, there’s not even a chance of that. I think we all see the necessary choice.
RightWinged on May 27, 2006 at 7:34 PM
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