BREAKING: Senate voting to kill Kyl amendment (update: killed)

posted at 9:01 pm on May 18, 2006 by Allahpundit

It would prohibit guest-worker visas from becoming permanent. I.e., it would ensure that guests remain, you know, guests.

Naturally, they’re voting on whether to kill it. Standby for results.

Update: Killed. 58-35. I’ll have the roll as soon as it’s up. Remember, here’s what Bush said on Monday:

I support a temporary worker program that would create a legal path for foreign workers to enter our country in an orderly way, for a limited period of time. This program would match willing foreign workers with willing American employers for jobs Americans are not doing. Every worker who applies for the program would be required to pass criminal background checks. And temporary workers must return to their home country at the conclusion of their stay.

Update: Here’s the roll. Eighteen Republicans voted to kill, and that doesn’t include Lindsey Graham or Mel Martinez, who were absent.

Update: Reuters has the post-mortem:

The Senate killed an amendment that would have denied a chance for permanent status and eventual citizenship to illegal immigrants who have been in the country less than five years and to any future immigrants who enter the country under the guest-worker program.

Opponents said the amendment, offered by Sen. Jon Kyl, an Arizona Republican, would have gutted the bipartisan bill that allows guest workers an opportunity to seek permanent residence.


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Man, I wish they’d televise the Conference Committee on this mess. It’s like the Island of Misfit Legislators., and we’re going to wind up with a squirt gun that shoots jelly.

¿Tostada conseguida?

Pablo on May 18, 2006 at 9:20 PM

Killed. Pffft.

Pablo on May 18, 2006 at 9:20 PM

Well it appears that the Senate wants amnesty against the presidents “wishes” Sarcasm off

Just another reason to think that most of congress is on some serious drugs. Hopefully when the Senates bill and the House bill get together in conference some sanity will prevail.

br8veheart on May 18, 2006 at 9:32 PM

I threw up a little in my mouth as I watched McCain defend killing this amendment.

p0s3r on May 18, 2006 at 9:32 PM

I’m assuming RINO = Republican In Name Only?

An apt description of these pansies.

speed647 on May 18, 2006 at 9:43 PM

Repeal the 17th.

Kid from Brooklyn on May 18, 2006 at 9:44 PM

All we can hope for that the House cleans up the current disaster in conference committee.

E L Frederick on May 18, 2006 at 9:47 PM

KfB, you know that a constitutional amendment requires the approval of two-thirds of both houses of Congress, right?

What do you suppose are the odds of the Senate approving an amendment to repeal the seventeenth?

Allahpundit on May 18, 2006 at 9:49 PM

We could use a compiled list of all votes for all the senators, if somebody out there has the means to do so. I’d like to rack ‘em up and see which bunch of our Republicans is the most treasonous.

tommy1 on May 18, 2006 at 9:51 PM

@tommy1

Lou Dobbs said he was gonna put that info on his site.

speed647 on May 18, 2006 at 9:56 PM

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, AP. Two thirds of both houses, and 38 states. Logic always seems to get in the way of a good argument. Hear me out for a second, though.

Once that kind of idea passes the House, what Senator would dare come out against restoring the Constitution? It would be political suicide, wouldn’t it? With the right wedge issue, I think that kind of change can come about. Weren’t the poll numbers like 80% against any kind of amnesty? Combined with the whole judicial mess, and the lobbying scandal, wouldn’t that create a perfect storm? Or am I on crack?

Did we learn nothing from the Miers fiasco?

What are the alternatives?

Kid from Brooklyn on May 18, 2006 at 10:00 PM

Can we get an amendment to cut the pay of all the senators?

Enoxo on May 18, 2006 at 10:00 PM

Combined with the whole judicial mess, and the lobbying scandal, wouldn’t that create a perfect storm? Or am I on crack?

Crack. What good what it do to repeal the seventeenth amendment? That would only make them less accountable. Direct elections provide an opportunity to throw them out on their ears. If Americans don’t want to do that, if they’re happy with the crap the Senate is serving up, then it’s our own fault.

Allahpundit on May 18, 2006 at 10:06 PM

speed647

Thanks for the info.

tommy1 on May 18, 2006 at 10:14 PM

When this stool sample the Senate is trying to pass off as an immigration bill lands in the conference committee, one of two things will happen: the House bill will wind up diluted and ineffective, “compromised,” if you will, or the conference committee will fail reach a compromise and both bills will fail.

Its almost worth losing the House bill if it means tossing out the Senate’s garbage, because I know that the House can pass their version again if they must. The question is, can the Senate manage to grease the backs of their ears and extract their heads next time?

inmanjh on May 18, 2006 at 10:23 PM

another slap in the american face!!!

it’s time to start a new party, grab our flags and march on D.C!!!. IT’S SHOULD BE CLEAR BY NOW: THE GOVT DOES NOT REPRESENT THE PEOPLE ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mike hale on May 18, 2006 at 10:31 PM

The last thing we need is to get *any* Constitutional amendment, no matter how well intentioned. It’s my understanding that once they get in there and start tinkering around (Constitional Convention) they can change anything they please. It’s bad enough this crop of nearly all nitwits are empowered to pass new laws, we *really* don’t need them fooling with the structure of the country. Who knows WHAT they’d do?

Laura on May 18, 2006 at 10:45 PM

The best hope is for the House to kill this–not even try to reconcile this steaming pile of dung. Speaker Hastert simply shouldn’t appoint a conference committee. This is the likely outcome, too, given how insane the Senate has acted. We need to give the senators the political equivalent of the Munich treatment, too–go after each one who voted for these outrageous measures, one by one, until each has been ousted from office. It will take four years but we can clean out every one of the SOBs.

godhelpUSA on May 18, 2006 at 10:58 PM

Looks like Martinez is starting to hide out on this issue…

I’m starting to wish Katherine Harris was running for HIS seat instead of Bill Nelson’s.

venmax on May 18, 2006 at 11:01 PM

Can South Carolina have a recall election for Linsday Graham? Heehee.

Thomas Galvin on May 18, 2006 at 11:13 PM

If we’ve going to repeal the 17th amendment, then also repeal section 1 of the 14th amendment too. However first make sure that state legislators have their feet held to the fire otherwise we’ve gained nothing by dumping the 17th! Dumping section 1 of the 14th is win-win but a hard track to follow!

DougW on May 18, 2006 at 11:15 PM

We need TERM LIMITS. Many of these Senators (McCain, Spector, Kennedy, etc.) were in the Senate back in 1986 when the last failed immigration law was passed.

Presidents (Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush) will come and go but these guys stay, knowing full well that they’ll never be knocked off their perch.

Congress has atrophied to the point that the borders have been undefended and 9/11 was allowed to occur.

Presidents, Democrat and Republican, can’t get anything done with these dinosaurs wielding too much power.

Presidents come and go but Senators Kennedy and Spector are forever.

Thomas Galvin on May 18, 2006 at 11:17 PM

Thomas Galvin,

Couldn’t agree more. Term limits will kill these asshats dead. If properly crafted, they’re like spraying Raid on cockroaches. The state I live in, Nebraska, passed term limits on state senators back in 2000. When the time came for the old timers to head off into the sunset, a bunch of them tried to sue so they could stay. The courts shot that down in a heartbeat.

Here’s another argument for term limits: back in the 40s, 50s, and 60s, southern senators blocked civil rights legislation (the real stuff, not the hate whitey crap we see today) from the floor for decades because they held important committee seats due to their longevity.

jaleach on May 18, 2006 at 11:38 PM

After all these years of supporting Republicans because of the presumed conservative nature of their beliefs…… I no longer feel any loyalty to them at all. Obviously many in the Senate either are clueless as to the sentiment of the voters, or just plain don’t give a rat’s behind what we think, or want from our representitives.

Come November, don’t say we didn’t warn you, as you pack your sorry asses up and an exit your havens from realiy. Many of you are treading on thin ice at best.

ChipThome on May 19, 2006 at 12:27 AM

Well Chip, I think it’s the fear in November of conservatives that they’re trying to alleviate. Create a bunch of new voters and we can give those conservative party poopers the middle finger. Why wait for those intolerant racist conservatives to come around to the conclusion that we need millions of illegals to come in and do jobs we won’t do (for $40 bucks an hour) and that those people (after marching in the streets and giving the entire country the finger) need to vote…for the people who are giving them citizenship. Take a bunch of 3rd world malcontents with no loyalty to this country but money, and they can vote for a bunch of political a$$clowns with no loyalty except to their own power. The rest of America can go take a flying you know what at a rolling donut. We’re being replaced because we don’t vote the right way. I think the founding fathers would be ashamed of what our nation has become.

austinnelly on May 19, 2006 at 1:01 AM

From Drudge.
Border Patrol Frustrated by Pointless Arrests

gmoonster on May 19, 2006 at 1:20 AM

Does it not figure?
Can we say we are surprised?

Warner Todd Huston on May 19, 2006 at 1:25 AM

IM disgusted with all the RINO’S..
Whats the use of having a majority when so many of them
are democrats posing as republicans.

Tom N on May 19, 2006 at 1:35 AM

Thomas Galvin, jaleach, I’m with you on term limits. The argument for term limits, that they take choice away from voters, is bogus. The President is limited to two terms, and it doesn’t seem to hurt the country. I would limit all Senators to two terms.If they remain longer, as noted, they hold back the country. That was a good point about the civil rights legislation being held in comittee for years. Term limits would be a blessing! How many more capable strong leaders would come out of the private sector and opt for public service if the positions weren’t held by ossified lifers with too much power? And if they knew going in that after two terms, they could still continue to have full careers? I mean, what would Ted Kennedy DO if he had to earn a living outside of government?

Doug on May 19, 2006 at 2:08 AM

Hmmm… I lost a post. I used the Senatorial title which rhymes with Guns-of-Witches, and I think MM has a filter. At any rate, it went like this:

How would these Guns-of-Witches like it if a bunch of us “Undocumented Senators” descended upon Washington D.C.? We could barricade ourselves in the Senate Chambers, and when the Capitol Police show up, we would simply announce that it is too late–we have been here so long that by now we have amnesty, and that from now on we are going to do the work that Senators won’t do.

haakondahl on May 19, 2006 at 2:36 AM

Now is the time I wish the citizens of the USA had the power of a “vote of no confidence” in Congress, like the British do with their Members of Parliament.

Don’t think MP’s can do the job? Call a vote of no confidence, and a new election has to be held quickly, and people get to state their opinions and dump the MP’s they think suck. They don’t give them years to screw up stuff before they fire them.

What these Senate votes on immigration prove is how out of touch with their electorate senators really are, and how above any consequences they believe they are too.

clyde on May 19, 2006 at 4:59 AM

I just want to know which constituents this Senate is representing. At least one of my Senators is on the right side of history (Santorum) – the other is standing by himself, way out in LEFT field (Specter).

What is their policy goal? Are they actually going to pass any legislation that will deal with the issue? Five steps of grief – the first step is to recognize that the problem exists. This group is still in the deny stage – they are illegal and we already have legislation to that regard. And our country is paralyzed because of Senatorial Dysfunction (at least we know under Clinton there was no ED…)- while our “guests” are flocking to the border to get across before any legistlation is passed, so they can get their bennies when the gravy train comes rolling by.

SOI on May 19, 2006 at 5:46 AM

One of the RINOs (I forget which) stated yesterday during the debate that this amendment and the huge influx of “taxpayers” will save them from having to make hard decisions on SS and Medicare. I guess they missed that little report that showed how these unskilled workers have a net negative fiscal contribution to our society.

p0s3r on May 19, 2006 at 7:07 AM

This is all insane. We are watching the downfall of America in real time. In twenty years, gangs will run every major urban area, not city councils. Hispanics will laugh at “english only” and people who don’t want to live in large hispanic centers will be forced out. Wise to arm up now, preferably unregistered so Uncle Sam can’t take them away once the shooting starts. If we vote with anger and give the democrats power back, that will only accelerate what will happen. At least, we can forestall the inevitable for a while. Oh yeah……be sure to get hollow point.

darwin on May 19, 2006 at 8:21 AM

[Crack. What good what it do to repeal the seventeenth amendment? That would only make them less accountable. Direct elections provide an opportunity to throw them out on their ears. If Americans don’t want to do that, if they’re happy with the crap the Senate is serving up, then it’s our own fault.]

Only the finest Marion Barry grade, then. But I assure you, Mel Martinez does not sign off on this big sell-out if he has to turn around and face the Florida Legislature. And as RINO as they are in NY, Hillary never makes it out of Albany. The same can be said for Harry Reid, corrupted by time, money and incumbency. again, it’s just a thought.
We are still “We the People”.

Kid from Brooklyn on May 19, 2006 at 8:30 AM

In the truest sense, freedom cannot be bestowed; it must be achieved.
Franklin D. Roosevelt, Speech, September 22, 1936

First of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself – nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance.
Franklin D. Roosevelt, First Inaugural Address, Mar. 4, 1933

Carpe Diem

Kramer on May 19, 2006 at 8:55 AM

So far, i feel lucky. My Texas Senators have both voted to do the right thing on every amendment. They still get my vote. but i am watching them VERY carefully. as for the rest of them, throw them out. we really don’t need term limits if everyone gets off their arses and votes in november.

pullingmyhairout on May 19, 2006 at 8:56 AM

That gaggle of hot air bags in the senate need to be deflated then run out of office at the polls.

rplat on May 19, 2006 at 9:09 AM

“Nero fiddled while Rome burned”.

Where are the mass protest from the “silent majority”?
e-mailing your representative will not work…(they already know how you feel,they just dont care!).
come election time we have two choice’s: bad and worse.
What is the real agenda?

mike hale on May 19, 2006 at 9:21 AM

My Senators, Allen and Warner have for the most part listened to the voters here in Virginia. That’s all fine and dandy. The problem is the renegades still playing politics. Sure they can be voted out, but by then the damage will have been done. THAT is the problem. I am just flabbergasted that through all the polls, phone calls, letters, emails and visits by constituents these clowns STILL won’t respect the wishes of the people they represent. They know damn well how people feel but they’d rather pander to business and potential future voters. Bush knows that el hombre Vicente is controlled by drug lords. Why does he give a crap? Close the border, send as many illegals back as you can and let the mexican revolution begin.

darwin on May 19, 2006 at 9:27 AM

It is a shame that my Senator, Richard Lugar, voted against both of the recent immigration proposals. What has happened to my party? Have any of them, including Bush, figured out why their ratings keep dropping? The Republican Party, except for a few exceptions, has abandoned us. Why? Becuase they have become drunk with power the same Democrats did prior to 94. What has become of our party and the principles it once embraced?

hoosier_federalist on May 19, 2006 at 9:28 AM

Organized protests cost bucks…….big bucks. If someone or some organization with the bucks would step up and get the ball rolling………we could have organized protests in all major cities. We could have a “Day without U.S. Citizens”. If your average American Jane and Joe took the day off and was willing to eat the lost wages for a day………now THAT would have an impact on the economy.

darwin on May 19, 2006 at 9:32 AM

I checked the roll call, my senators and congresswoman are voting with the conservatives, they are listening to us. Frist, Alexander and Blackburn of TN. I sent them e-mail at least once a month and I had the privilege and listened to Congresswoman Blackburn teleconference three weeks ago and she is doing what we expect her to do. Frist is not running for re-election, and for sure I will not vote for him if he ever run for President. So what else I can do.

glomicela on May 19, 2006 at 9:44 AM

Typical. I’m getting pretty tempted to actually start advocating tarring and feathering these wankers (as opposed to merely joking about it).

RH

RobertHuntingdon on May 19, 2006 at 9:58 AM

Checking the results again… hey we got a Dhimmicrat to vote with the smart folks for once. That’s good. And the list of RINOs continues to highlight itself. Especially keep an eye on these three: Chafee (RINO-RI), DeWine (RINO-OH), Lugar (RINO-IN). They have consistently voted for the stupidity and voted against the smart stuff. And they are up for “termination” in November. I sincerely hope we can manage to do so. Get a real republican in those seats instead of these airheads.

RH

RobertHuntingdon on May 19, 2006 at 10:04 AM

The clowns in the Senate make me sick. Senator Mark Warner voted the wrong way again, check again darwin. He also voted against securing the borders first. Everyone needs to tell these clowns what you think of them. Here is my e-mail to Senator Warner:

Senator Warner,

I am writing to you, as a staunch conservative and supporter of Republican causes, to convey my ever growing anger that you and many other members of Congress are not doing what needs to be done to prevent millions more illegal immigrants (not undocumented workers) from invading our country. I see how you voted on the Kyl amendment, so apparently you are for lettting “temporary” workers stay permanently. I also saw that you voted against securing the border first. You and President Bush (and I voted for him twice) are not acting in the interest of the American people, unlike your co-senator George Allen.

There are millions other Republicans who feel as I do. The RNC recently contacted me asking for a donation. Instead of getting money from me, they got a piece of my mind. I have a very long memory, and I know that you are not coming up for election this time. But I tell you now, if you continue down this course, I intend to vote for ANYONE who runs against you in any election. Wake up and listen to the people. You were not put in office by Vincente Fox, or by 12 million illegals. You are leading our country down the road of disaster, and I pray that the House Republicans have the backbone to stand against what is starting to become a joke, the US senate.

Jonesy on May 19, 2006 at 10:10 AM

Darwin,
Check that roll call again. It looks like Allen voted against it. That surprises me as I thought that Warner usually exhibits the RINO tendencies, such as the Gang of 14.

pistolero on May 19, 2006 at 10:12 AM

I am with Mike on this one.

We NEED to protest in a BIG way up in DC. The government cares nothing about this country, or its future., All they care about is their power base and getting reallected.
Darwins also right, it takes big bucks.
I work for the state of VA, so I am not a rich man… But i am willing to do what I can.
If we could convince a major blogger (psst michelle, hint hint)
To open up a sign up page for a protest, and begin to get organized… well, maybe thats a start. The conservative blogging community seems to be fairly close, so I am sure CQ, and all the rest would link back to it.

Wyrd on May 19, 2006 at 10:19 AM

Pistolero……thanks. No wonder I never get any replies back. And he think he’s gonna take a stab in 2008?? He may have another thing coming.

darwin on May 19, 2006 at 10:19 AM

Money and resources…..like a popular website to spread the word. It looks like it’s gonna be now or never. Personally, I think a lot of dems would stand beside their repub neighbors anyday on this issue. It’s certainly bipartisan, only the politicians haven’t figured it out yet.

What say you America?

darwin on May 19, 2006 at 10:23 AM

I’m in. Save this country before its too late.

p0s3r on May 19, 2006 at 10:34 AM

darwin-

im also from Virginia-have you checked out Warners recent votes. we need to understand that we can no longer look to the govt to do the right thing. what we need is a third party that looks out for our intrest(how does the American constitutional party)sound.
we need to stage major protest.
we need to shut down the economy for a day
we need a media outlet(you know mainstream media will not help)
we need to make our voices feared and not just down played
as rants.

michelle in 08 i say!!!

mike hale on May 19, 2006 at 10:52 AM

Darwin & co.

I think I misspoke. After looking at the roll call again, I think I mistook a Nay vote for accepting the conversion to permanent status. I was wrong and apologies to George Allen. I should have looked more closely at who voted in which column. There’s good old John Warner voting with Kennedy, Turbin, Kerry, and the usual gang of suspects.

pistolero on May 19, 2006 at 11:23 AM

The senate also voted to grant “illegals” Social Security benefits. Might as well. You can gain citizenship by entering a country illegally, working illegally, might as well collect on all those “illegal” Social Security cards too.

One question, how can you pay back taxes when you were paid cash?

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20060518-114132-2456r.htm

moonsbreath on May 19, 2006 at 11:31 AM

“One question, how can you pay back taxes when you were paid cash?

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20060518-114132-2456r.htm
moonsbreath”

great point! Let’s make a list of the cheap games they are playing with we the stooges:

1. Path to citizenship if you have resided here two years.

Acceptable proof for undocumented non-tax filing illegals consists of a letter from an employer, a letter from a ‘landlord’ or buddy who states this person lived here 2 years. In other words, if two people will lie for you, anyone can prove residence

2. Pay back taxes

Taxes due on unreported income would be paid on the honor system. You tell us what you made, without proof

Taxes due on employer reported income. Pay it if you wish, or just don’t tell the government about income you earned under a social security number. Instead, get a buddy letter to state you worked under the table for the amount of fines you want to pay

Some illegals have a public persona and their employment is undeniable. Otherwise, use buddy letters. And for anyone who never really spent two years in the USA, i. e. the rest of Mexico, the buddy letter is the way to go.

There is no clean verification on undocumented activity, especially for 10,000,000 people, and the verifications will be made by the biased immigration service which is loaded with pro-illegal compatriots.

3. Here is the biggie no one has thought of, but it will happen under the Bush plan.

Get Ready.

a. Will you be able to refuse to hire one of these new Nation-Stealers, or give hiring preferences to legally immigrated applicants or native born citizens?

No. An employer will not be able to give preference to you, the native born or legally naturalized citizen above this new pack of law breakers. You will be fined, jailed or lose your business.

b. Criticizing this new bunch will become Hate Speech

c. It will be the norm for children in schools to be taught it is un-American to criticize these cheats

d. if Bush’s agenda passes, a teacher will lose his job for criticizing this in the classroom, because he will be attacking the civil rights of the cheats

4. Bush says Learn English, just like Like the toothless ‘English is important to us’ bill passed by the Senate

a. Does ‘learn English’ mean an employer can refuse to hire you because you can’t speak English? No.

b. Does ‘learn English’ mean an employer can refuse to hire you because you only speak English, as is happening in Florida? No.

c. Does ‘learn English’ protect Americans applying from government jobs from being passed over by bi-lingual applicants because the government still runs a bi-lingual operation as is the offical policy in Canada now. No

d. Does ‘learn English’ end the preferential treatment for Spanish language in the Federal Government over other foreign languages, like the Hispanic White House Web Site? No

It used to mean you had to learn English to vote. Not in this law, which doesn’t even say how much English an illegal has to learn.

as far as I can see ‘Kiss my ass’ is the only English they need to learn under that law.

entagor on May 19, 2006 at 12:21 PM

WE need a mass protest in D.C. Drop the hint at any blogs you visit. Maybe someone with bucks will be able to pay for the permits and such. We can make our own signs, bring our own flags and holler like hell.

darwin on May 19, 2006 at 12:24 PM

All of these amendments are pointless. The original Hagel/Matinez S2611 bill written by Ted Kennedy is so outrageous the only logical thing to do it throw it in the trash can and just enforce existing law.

You cannot amend a pig.

Allowing up to 200 million immigrants into this country is Insanity.

Just remember the people that brought this outrageous monstrosity to the floor:

Sponsor: Sen Hagel, Chuck [NE]

CoSponsor:
Sen Brownback, Sam [KS]
Sen Graham, Lindsey [SC]
Sen Kennedy, Edward M. [MA]AUTHOR
Sen Martinez, Mel [FL]
Sen McCain, John [AZ]
Sen Specter, Arlen [PA]

ScottyDog on May 19, 2006 at 12:25 PM

I was saying to the wife that maybe I’ll run against Warner for Senate. She told me that one doesn’t just run for the Senate without prior political experience. Well, if prior political experience causes one to jump on the groupthink liberal bandwagon then NOT having prior political experience should provide me with more than enough qualifications to get elected.

Of course, by 2008 our voting bloc will have been outsourced to the illegals. We won’t be able to overtake their majority.

pistolero on May 19, 2006 at 1:14 PM

They need to stop trying to ram this legislation through so we’ll think they’re working, and step back. Realize we already have laws, and they ought to be enforced. If the laws were enforced, we wouldn’t be having this problem.
If they can implement that, great. Then, they need to take one of their extended vacations home and let us tell them what kind of immigration policy we want. So there can be no mistake.

NellE on May 19, 2006 at 1:19 PM

The only recall petition we have against Congress is the ballot box.

Normally, we would use our vote to express our displeasure over the granting of amnesty and other unequal privileges to 10 million illegal migrants into our nation.

However this amnesty package fast tracks a huge bloc of the illegals into full fledged voters in 2 years.

Senators serve 6 year terms, and not all elections are held the same year.

The illegals will be allowed to vote in the only poll that asks if it is right and proper to ignore the law and give them the vote!

Effectively, we the actual citizens of the United States are being denied our constitutional right to have a fair vote.

This is the first time in history that the Federal government through the Executive and Legislative branches has stuffed the ballot box with 10,000,000 votes created by themselves without the consent of the governed, to vote on whether it is proper to ignore the consent of the governed.

This is the biggest voting rights fraud in our History!

If they do it once, they can do it again, and based on projections, it will be done again.

Our only protection from tyranny end with the great ballot stuffing proposal.

entagor on May 19, 2006 at 1:57 PM

First everyone blames Bush for not doing enough, never mind that no one did nothing in the past 18 years. Bush finally does something, states his goal and the path and now the Senate is hellbent on straying for it. With this its three so far, and all I see is the interests of illegals and businesses being served, and those of citizens and legal immigrants being ignored.

I definitely plan to let my senators and representatives what I think of them in November.

LaVentanita on May 19, 2006 at 2:07 PM

Supposedly, we have the right to petition the government with our concerns. We can always demand the amendments passed or voted down be brought up again. But our voices have to be loud enough. I don’t know, this is all so frustrating. Europes steadily being infested with muslims and caving in to their every demand. South America is steadily becoming a socialist/dictorial continent. Asia is a mess as Russia tries to back in the game by coddling bad guys and China thinks it wants to be the big boy on the block. Africa, well……it’s been lost for a long time with no signs of recovery. I bet there’s some liberal reading this somewhere muttering “yeah….and it’s all Bush’s fault too” and really believing it. I wonder if we can all immigrate to Iceland. Haven’t heard too much about muslims cutting heads off there.

darwin on May 19, 2006 at 3:13 PM

Martinez ran on a no Amnesty platform. Now he is doing everthing he can to destroy Anglo-American culture:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/blog/2006/05/senator_martinez_changes_his_t.html

pat on May 19, 2006 at 3:14 PM

pat……..unfortunately the constitution says nothing about being a liar, scumbag, two-faced bastard or the like. So I guess he’s safe until election time. I wonder how he sleeps.

darwin on May 19, 2006 at 3:32 PM

it’s so nice to watch my country getting sold out from underneath my feet for the sake of freeloaders and border breakers all in the name of commerce… i’m completely convinced now that there really is no hope for the US and it’s truly on the decline and i never thought I’d say that, but i am…

Asmodeus on May 19, 2006 at 4:16 PM

But there is hope. We need to congeal as a people. I see two options. Visible protests and demonstrations of the magnitude D.C. will not expect. Or…….wait until people just can’t take anymore and people will resort to taking matters in their own hands.

It started already with the MinuteMen albeit non-violent. I don’t think the folks in D.C. really understand the hardcore feelings this has brought to the surface. They are literally opening the door to violence in the future and they still insist on playing politics and disregarding the will of an entire nation.

darwin on May 19, 2006 at 4:46 PM

You know, it’s really not fair to those poor immigrants that we can only offer them a slice of the Social Security pool. Why can’t government use Imminent Domain to give them my house too? I mean, really, am I any more deserving of it than they are? They should raise my taxes, give away my Social Security, give them my house, and cancel out my vote. And I should be damned happy about it.

pistolero on May 19, 2006 at 4:48 PM