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Everybody should read Michelle Malkin’s immigration blog article on this subject:
http://michellemalkin.com/immigration/2006/05/15/11:11.am
tommy1 on May 15, 2006 at 1:59 PM
If Bush signs a no amnesty amnesty, I am going to vote with glee against the Republicans. They deserved to lose - and if Bush gets impeached because of it, it’s on his head.
Fine the employers who empoy illegals. Make their lives hell. Illegals will be running for the border then.
In my dreams. I am so done with the Republicans.
javaslinger on May 15, 2006 at 2:02 PM
Don’t even watch…you won’t believe him anyway. Join the dems on the bashing bandwagon. This is treasonist. This man needs proactivity not negativity.
Where were you 10 or 20 years ago…Duh, but it is cool to bash BUSH. Insanity
tomas on May 15, 2006 at 2:12 PM
I am so sick and tired of this country bending over backwards to appease other nations. I really, really don’t care what Mexico thinks of us. I don’t care what Vicente thinks of us securing our borders. We need to secure them NOW!! We need to enforce the laws we have, and plug up the leaks along our border. As an American citizen, I am tired of pressing one for English, of having the election ballots written in Spanish (don’t people have to know English to become naturalized???), and having half of the classifieds saying I need to know Spanish to work for them. We need to stand up and take this country back for it’s citizens, not everyone else who thinks they “deserve” all that this great country has to offer.
StephC on May 15, 2006 at 2:15 PM
I went to my North Carolina Senator’s web site.
He also has the whole thing in spanish???????????????
So I called Richard Burr’s office….
“Hey Senor thanks for the spanish translation”
Check your senator and see if he has a spanish translation of the entire website for his illegal constituency.
They have gone mad!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LZVandy on May 15, 2006 at 2:16 PM
You are all to blame…You should have spoken up before.
tomas on May 15, 2006 at 2:17 PM
Hey, JonB, I like the BorderGate suggestion!
That is what we need to call this scandal for now on: BorderGate. I am going to use this term for now on. I hope others will join me.
tommy1 on May 15, 2006 at 2:20 PM
tomas,
I, for one, have written my Congressmen several times over the past 6-7 years about this issue. I am a college student, I was only a small child during the 1986 amnesty, so I don’t know what you expect.
tommy1 on May 15, 2006 at 2:21 PM
The only Mexican that should stay in the US Pedro! I know this will be lost on anyone who doesn’t travel I-95 but those who do will surely agree! The only problem is that South of the Border continually moves Norte!
“BUENS DIAS, AMIGO! pedro VER’ GLAD YOU COME!!
pedro got 112 meelion amigos, who stay weeth heem, opp teel now all satisfy come back, send frans…thees make pedro ver’ HAPPEE…like for frans come back all time…pedro hope YOU make 112 meelion and wan happee amigos! you come back soon, too, yes?” www.pedroland.com
Dread Pirate Roberts VI on May 15, 2006 at 2:25 PM
Bush is going on TV tonight to address an issue where I believe he has made one of his biggest mistakes — illegal immigration. I can’t say yet whether he will correct that mistake, or amplify it.
It’s impossible to credibly claim security from terrorism when our southern border remains porous and thousands who we can’t identify cross it daily.
It’s hard to maintain the rule of law when we knowingly allow tens of millions to violate it daily.
It’s difficult to maintain the character of our society when we accept tens of millions who, first, have no intention of becoming full members of it and, then, demand we conform it to meet their wishes.
If Bush does not support a formidable, secure barrier across our entire southern frontier, any use of the National Guard will be viewed as a sham and a fraud — nothing other than window dressing and hollow pandering. It will infuriate conservatives, not placate them.
Immigration must be limited to those who want to become Americans in every way and are willing to obey all our laws, not just the ones they find convenient. Our policies should be designed to favor those with skills, capital, and entrepreneurial spirit. It should allow significant numbers of immigrants, but favor those that will provide the greatest benefit to our nation’s economy and society. It should not reward those whose principal motivation is to receive more generous social welfare benefits than are now available in their home nations.
Rewarding those who come illegally and allowing them to bring family members who consume large amounts of government services is stupid. Watching elected Democrats and Republicans try to outdo each other in pandering to create and attract large numbers of potential new voters is sickening.
Elected officials of both parties are not only turning their backs upon, but spitting in the faces, of their base constituencies. They are beneath contempt, and we should give them what they so richly deserve. — unemployment
dez on May 15, 2006 at 2:25 PM
I expect sanity. Most of you were all to chicken to raise your voice when Clinton or Reagan was president. Don’t give me the 9-11 bullcrap either. This issue has been on the table for the longest time.
You are opportunists hoping to take advantage of perceived weakness and you weaken our cause globally. These extremist comments I read won’t help conservatives or republicans one bit. Bush will work with you if you don’t become blowhards just like the dems…whoops, too late.
I am disgusted at this ambush of a great man.
tomas on May 15, 2006 at 2:26 PM
Hey Tomas do you give a damn about this country?
ChelleFiche on May 15, 2006 at 2:28 PM
The Hispanic vote only amounts to about 8% of the voting public. What is the GOP afarid of? I am very upset about the inaction with regards to this situation.
birdman on May 15, 2006 at 2:29 PM
It speaks volumes that even a transparent PR stunt like the National Guard deployment to the border required an apology to Fox and Mexico. Yes, Bush has been compromised somehow or another. It is time for him to leave office.
godhelpUSA on May 15, 2006 at 2:31 PM
tomas,
I, for one, have written my Congressmen several times over the past 6-7 years about this issue. I am a college student, I was only a small child during the 1986 amnesty, so I don’t know what you expect.
‘86 amnesty…enough said. Case made. You are all pissing on the man when he is down. Very noble.
tomas on May 15, 2006 at 2:33 PM
So what are you saying, tomas? Should we just shut up and fall in line? Sorry. We’re not sheep like you. We won’t buy into your scare tactics/guilt trip. We place our country above our party.
dman on May 15, 2006 at 2:33 PM
I am trying to understand you Michelle….
You are extremely passionate (as we all are) about border security. But your stance on the NSA gathering all phone conversations of Americans has me baffled.
Please Michelle decide which side of the fence you are going to settle on — Americans who want our country back or Bushies/Kennedy’s/Clinton’s determined to expand their oligarchy!
DiverMike — Proud American who served his country for 30 years.
DiverMike on May 15, 2006 at 2:34 PM
Bin Laden recently spoke and stated that it takes time to plan terror attacks (in America).
First, we hope terror doesn’t arrive; however, should we see a next wave of terror I hope we won’t be able to link all the death and destruction to our open borders.
Prayers
ar_basin on May 15, 2006 at 2:35 PM
Hey Tomas do you give a damn about this country?
ChelleFiche on May 15, 2006 at 2:28 PM
I do. I support my president vocally in when he needs it most at time of war…which is against his enemies…you guys.
tomas on May 15, 2006 at 2:36 PM
Thanks for opening up comment registration again!
First, I love Hot Air and Vent! It has become part of my morning ritual.
Second, this whole immigration debacle is getting more frightening. I just read the little tidbit that Michelle mentions on her site about armed Mexican soldiers crossing the border. Isn’t that an act of war?
My parents live in Tucson, Az, some distance from the border, but right in the middle of the illegal alien freeway. Driving to their house, there are Border Patrol stations on the side of the road with spotlights to watch trucks to see if there are people in the back.
I’ll never forget the night I was visiting them when there was a knock at the bottom of the porch. There was a group of several illegal aliens asking for directions in Spanish. At 1 in the morning. My dad says that they have to make sure to put everything up at night, locked away, or it will get stolen by these “good people” crossing the border and trespassing across private property. My parents live in the boonies - they shouldn’t have to lock anything up.
I worry about the time the next Angel Resendiz decides to cross the border… Of course, my family is very big on their second ammendment rights…
Keep up the good work, Michelle!
theholyhermit on May 15, 2006 at 2:38 PM
So what are you saying, tomas? Should we just shut up and fall in line? Sorry. We’re not sheep like you. We won’t buy into your scare tactics/guilt trip. We place our country above our party.
You are falling in line. Why weren’t you so caring under Reagan or Clinton? You are now propogandists. I bet you guys what even vote.
tomas on May 15, 2006 at 2:39 PM
baaaaaaa..aaaah!!!
dman on May 15, 2006 at 2:39 PM
I didn’t ask if you support your president (what if Hillary is your president, fool?), I asked if you support your COUNTRY and it speaks volumes that you don’t know the difference.
ChelleFiche on May 15, 2006 at 2:40 PM
Please read the assessments given by the Minutemen. LGF and PowerLine are now bringing the issue up.
Hagel-Martinez may very well spell over 100 million new legal immigrants in the US over the next 20 years and possibly up to 200 million. That is just legal immigrants, forget the illegals.
If this occurs, America is going bye-bye.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/014089.php
tommy1 on May 15, 2006 at 2:42 PM
tomas We here are not enemies of Bush. I like many people here have been big supporters of the President when he’s right. When anyone is wrong, whether it is the President or anyone, A person does not follow blindly. If I did follow my leaders blindly, then you could call me a liberal.
birdman on May 15, 2006 at 2:48 PM
Enforcement only should solve the immigration problem in America. Being an immigrant from Uzbekistan, I know how the immigration system works and I know a lot of people who broke the law by overextending their visas, being employed illegally etc. I followed the rules to come and study in this country. It is outrageous to me that so many people blatantly break the law and expect to be treated equally as legal immigrants and citizens of this country. The people who broke the immigration law should never be allowed to become the US citizens.
I agree with Michelle completly that the amnesty will only cause more people to break the law because they will think they will be forgiven eventually. Without strict and fair immigration enforcement the problem of illegal immigration will only get worse. Bush has to enforce the law and then worry about comprehensive reform of trying to figure out of what to do with the illegals living this country.
zack on May 15, 2006 at 2:52 PM
zack,
Strict enforcement honors the effort and integrity of legal Americans like you. It also preserves the value of your earned citizenship.
dman on May 15, 2006 at 2:56 PM
“tomas We here are not enemies of Bush. I like many people here have been big supporters of the President when he’s right. When anyone is wrong, whether it is the President or anyone, A person does not follow blindly. If I did follow my leaders blindly, then you could call me a liberal.”
Very well said, birdman. I have supported President Bush from the get go, but not blindly. Everyone makes mistakes, and as President, mistakes made are BIG and affect the whole country. Amnesty is a mistake, one that has been made in the past–you would think we’d have learned by now.
StephC on May 15, 2006 at 2:56 PM
No president, no senator, and no congressman runs this country. The people do.
That is, when the people take the time to make their voices heard. Sometimes it takes a lot to wake the people up. Usually the people feel as if they are burried under mounds of minutia spread about by the media. It is easier to cuddle together in sombulistic repose and wish that “some one else” will fix the problem while we sleep in our fragrant dens. In some ways Tomas is right. A majority of the people have slept and allowed our politicians to become corrupt. We have let them grow fat on graft and fed them pork. Some voices piped up, but were either shouted down or ignored.
Now here we stand at the precipice (or sliding down it depending on your POV). We are waking up, and we are making ourselves heard.
Bush is not a great man, he is just a man. And his ears are filled with the buzzing gnats of those who would destroy our way of life for their own gain. It is our job to drown out the gnats and make him, and by extension all members of the corrupt cesspit called our government, That we are waking up, and we demand they all do their job. That they Protect America and our Constitution. If they do not do that job then they will be removed.
Too many have forgotten the old adage;
“The price of liberty is eternal vigilance” We have ignored the internal forces that threaten us. We have slept when we should have been reading the signs.
Time to wake up. Stop trying to reason with moonbats, they are beyond reason. Instead make ourselves heard. Teach criticle thinking to our children, never blindly follow the words of another. Think for ourselves and never be afraid of what others will say. We have that freedom, we should use it more. Let the message out and let those who agree follow, ignore, or dispute it as they see fit.
Wow, this diatribe is a lot more general then the immigration vent…
Wyrd on May 15, 2006 at 2:57 PM
Sessions for President
Crapgame13 on May 15, 2006 at 2:57 PM
I have never left a comment anywhere before, but this issue has me so riled up that I cannot not say anything.
First off, my father put two kids through college doing those “jobs Americans won’t do”. So don’t try to give me that line, I know better. And it’s an insult to my father. And to me; I have also worked at some of those jobs to put food on the table.
We recently moved from Arizona. There are many things going on along the border that rarely seem to be mentioned, if at all. Such as:
- People living along the border who have tried to stop illegals / drug runners crossing their land having their homes shot up by automatic weapons fire.
- Known gathering spots for illegals being attacked by rival “coyotes” with some illegals being wounded or killed.
- Finding out your next-door neighbor in that nice subdivision is actually a drug runner’s warehouse or a hiding spot for illegals on their way north.
- About once a month, a vehicle crammed full of illegals rolling over, with the injured being taken by helicopter to a medical facility that is stuggling to survive because of this uncompensated care.
- Running gun battles on the interstate between rival “coyotes”.
- and on, and on, and on.
Along the border, we have had years of this. I was hoping that maybe now something would be done. But I have lost confidence in President Bush and Congress, so I really doubt it.
Ex AZ on May 15, 2006 at 3:01 PM
but it’s on the money, Wyrd
dman on May 15, 2006 at 3:01 PM
HAHAHAHA! What a pleasant sight it is to watch you people meltdown over this! And look who’s calling for impeachment now?!
Guess what, you have 3 more years left of this guy. You voted for him and his buddies. Now you will have to deal with the consequences. Enjoy your “buyers remorse”! LOL!
better off blue on May 15, 2006 at 3:01 PM
It saddens me to see illegals demanding citizenship, rights, and respect when they won’t apply for it. It equally saddens me to see the immagration laws, already in place, not being inforced. Anyone remember the hoop-de-la over gun control?
As an immigrant to this country, I played by the rules, why shouldn’t those illegals do the same? I think most do, but for a vocal minority along the boarder states, and some in between. Luckly, there’s always Canada.
I wonder if the Political Correctness crowd will distort the reality of what really needs to be done! Inforcement of existing laws. No, instead watch for the calls for new laws on the subject, as if we don’t have enough on the books already. A waste of time!
Not related - MM wonderful site! It’s a permanent link in my browsers banner along with FoxNews! Aloha!
Kini on May 15, 2006 at 3:02 PM
I want to believe the President, I really do. But, I don’t. This feckless illegal immigrant policy with its pandering to the liberals is just the kind of thing that led to creation of the Conservative Party in New York State back in the late 60’s - early 70’s. Maybe it’s time to do the same thing on a national scale.
listeve on May 15, 2006 at 3:04 PM
Isn’t it curious how “better off blue” sounds so much like “tomas”?
dman on May 15, 2006 at 3:05 PM
better off blue,
By the same standards, we would have had to impeach Kerry, as well. He definitely wasn’t going to enforce our immigration laws. Frankly, you liberals are a huge part of the problem. You don’t care about the deterioration being caused by unrestrained immigration. You couldn’t care less about the rampant crime, the destruction of the health care system, the decline of educational standards, so long as your beloved Dhimmicrats get a few more votes down the line. Moonbats just don’t care if the United States is “slouching toward Guadalajara.”
tommy1 on May 15, 2006 at 3:08 PM
heh Dman, yup.
No buyers remorse here.
Politicians are like children. You have to be firm with them.
If you just ask them to “please get their hands out of the cookie jar” they never will.
Make them sit in the corner they just learn not to get caught and return later.
Take them over the knee and spank some snese into them? The smart ones will learn.
WARNING! Do not use the last anaogy with Bill Clinton, he would like it too much.
Wyrd on May 15, 2006 at 3:09 PM
Well, “better off blue”, no matter WHAT Bush does, it couldn’t be as bad as had Kerry gotten elected. There is a difference between being angry, and remorseful. Remorseful would mean one would WANT Kerry as President, I doubt ANYONE here would want that. Better off DEAD than “blue” for sure.
NRA4Freedom on May 15, 2006 at 3:09 PM
On judges and this the conservatives have been vocal against our president. I only wish I heard these voices against those that beat him down everyday. I don’t want to hear how I supported this or I supported that. We all know for a fact that you holier than thou republicans left him hanging in the wind and helped give the country away that you supposedly love. You are all full of hypocrisy and make me ill. I know he is the worlds Winston Churchill.
Conservativism is no better than liberalism.
tomas on May 15, 2006 at 3:12 PM
tomas,
On judges and this the conservatives have been vocal against our president.
And it worked well, didn’t it? We got conservative judges rather than more judicial activist moonbats. If only Bush would listen to true conservatives on BorderGate as well.
Conservatism is no better than liberalism
Spoken like a true (and relativistic) moonbat.
tommy1 on May 15, 2006 at 3:16 PM
Wyrd,
We need to spank the Senate, however, not the House. Even if that means that Santorum is out and Durbin is in. We can straighten that out again in future elections. Every battle has it’s collateral damage, but that shouldn’t deter us from fighting.
We’re trying to discipline this President, not remove him.
dman on May 15, 2006 at 3:17 PM
“When the situation was manageable it was neglected, and now that it is thoroughly out of hand we apply too late the remedies which then might have effected a cure.
“There is nothing new in the story. It is as old as the sibylline books. It falls into that long, dismal catalogue of the fruitlessness of experience and the confirmed unteachability of mankind. Want of foresight, unwillingness to act when action would be simple and effective, lack of clear thinking, confusion of counsel until the emergency comes, until self-preservation strikes its jarring gong—these are the features which constitute the endless repetition of history”
Winston S. Churchill
tomas on May 15, 2006 at 3:17 PM
I guess the Republican party is trying very hard to be progressive. That’s the only answer I have for the party that has left me by the wayside. It doesn’t need me, what can I bring? I can’t bring more votes to the party and that could mean $$. I have no party and am losing my country too. Maybe the Dummycrats will have government programs on learning to speak Spanish so at least we can read the packaging on all of the products we buy. If GW gives amnesty to these law breakers then open the jails and let anyone who’s committed a felony amnesty too. To me it’s the same thing. Oh and give the felony folks the right to vote back to them.
crowemate1 on May 15, 2006 at 3:18 PM
And it worked well, didn’t it? We got conservative judges rather than more judicial activist moonbats. If only Bush would listen to true conservatives on BorderGate as well.
Where have you been supporting him?
tomas on May 15, 2006 at 3:20 PM
true enough, tomas, but that didn’t stop Churchill from fighting - and winning. Human nature is what it is, but we press on.
dman on May 15, 2006 at 3:22 PM
Well done Michelle. We do need all the help we can get! God bless America!
doll on May 15, 2006 at 3:22 PM
You notice how Churchill didn’t allow unrestrained immigration into his country during World War II. I wonder why?
tommy1 on May 15, 2006 at 3:26 PM
Very good vent, Michelle.
Although we have not yet seen the Pres Bush’s speech, I fear that your vent will be quite accurate concerning his speech.
I will guess that the bottom line of the speech will be:
“Folks, the problem is out of control. It has been this way for too long. I don’t know what to do about it. It is better to appease illegal aliens in this case. I don’t want to look like the bad guy here. Hopefully by cutting them a break via this amnesty disguised as a worker’s program, they will cut us a break and cooperate with us. I do not want to make Mexico angry with me, especially since there is a chance that a conservative president being elected in Mexico. I don’t want Mexico to go the socialist way of Venezuala, Bolivia, etc. I have been an open borders kind of guy and really do not see what is wrong with that. I have to stress the point about the jobs that Americans will not do while NOT addressing the issue that Americans would do those jobs if the proper wage was paid. National Guard troops will be sent to the border to show that I am tough and that I have heard what you have to say, but I must only put them in a passive support role for now (lots of trucks need to have the oil change you know…heh, heh). Etc., etc., etc.”
Being allowed to immigrate to America is a priviledge. It is not a right, it is not an inheritance. It is NOT the equivilent of checking into a bed and breakfast establishment that overlooks the New England coastline and forests.
Any thing less than whole hearted enforcement of our immigration laws and border laws is not only a slap in the face of the American people and the meaning of the Executive Branch, the Legislative Branch, and the Judicial Branch, but it is a slap in the face who entered America legally.
The Constitution and Bill of Rights, and the US Codes are the laws of the land. They are not recipies for gourmet meals. They are written to be read and obeyed. They are not designed to wrap our lunches in. They are are not some ancient form of toilet paper. They are the frabic of our nation. Indeed, they are the FOUNDATION of our nation.
Whatever the solution to the illegal alien/border security problem should be based on the will of the American people in accordance to our laws of our great nation through the proper action of the President, the Legislature, and the Judiciary as authorized by the laws of our land.
Washington, DC MUST remain Washington, DC, and NOT Washington, PC.
The False Dervish on May 15, 2006 at 3:28 PM
If I am wrong, then someone please correct me.
The False Dervish on May 15, 2006 at 3:28 PM
Dman,
You are exactly right. Let us channel our rage in the right direction–at the Senate and White House. Only the House stands in the way of this atrocity and only a GOP-controlled body over there will stop it. Senate Republicans are as pathetic as Bush although they might not be subject to the same blackmail and pressures.
If you have an anti-amnesty, pro-enforcement senator or house member, vote for him or her. Vote out anyone else. Dry up the corporatist money. This is the only thing we can do without resort to the same lawlessness this Administration and government has exhibited.
godhelpUSA on May 15, 2006 at 3:30 PM
“By the same standards, we would have had to impeach Kerry, as well. He definitely wasn’t going to enforce our immigration laws.”
Liberals, liberals, liberals…blah blah blah. Enjoy scapegoating all the liberal boogeyman while your elected hero George continues to flush your support down his Oval Office toilet. LOL.
You voted for him, you put your faith in him, and now he’s stabbing you straight in the back as hard as he can, and all you people can do is whine non-stop about Kerry and liberals and make up juvenile kindergarten playground names like “Dimocrats.”
It’s gonna be a tough year for you guys. I sorta feel bad. But don’t worry, I’m sure George and Karl will throw out that anti-gay marriage amendment or some other distraction just to try to buy your support again…just in time for November!
better off blue on May 15, 2006 at 3:32 PM
Something about u boats sinking the immigrants as they came over…
Dman, I meant spanking those in the house and senate who needed a reminder on whom they work for. Some people in both places have done a great job. Others are only in it for themselves.
I would hope that if our voice is heard, then all would stand up and take notice. From the top all the way down to whomever is running for city dog catcher.
Wyrd on May 15, 2006 at 3:33 PM
I appeciate the opportunity to be able to express my views here for the first time, especially on in issue that will determine whether the U.S. as we know it now will be recognizable in the future and ultimately whether we will survive as a culture.
With his presentation tonight, Bush will be finished as a credible leader. What remains of his base will abandon him, but the leftists who hate him now will continue to work to destroy him and all Republicans, even as he hands them the 2006 elections and future control of the nation. The speech will be painful to watch, especially as Bush will dissemble madly to make the proposed amnesty sound like penalization and a half-hearted military measure designed to fail sound like secuing the borders at last. Bush has effectively joined forces with the hateful murdering thug Ted Kennedy and demogogue Dick Durbin to plot the murder of the future of the country.
I have been trained as a demographer and can tell you that the demographic consequences of what Bush will propose would be catastropic for our country, with a minimun of 50 million eventually admitted after relatives of those naturalized coming to the U.S. are counted. A big lie being fed to us by the MSM and sponsors of the Hagel-Martinez Bill, which is just a rephrasing of the McCain-Kennedy Bill, is that today there are 11-12 illegals in the U.S. In early 2000, the U.S. Census Bureau thought there were 8 million illegals when it estimated the 2000 census would show 280 million in the U.S. Instead, the final census count showed 286 million, indicating 14 million illegals in the U.S. then. At an estimated increase of one million a year since then, the number is in the vicinity of 20 million.
From now on, Bush should be referred to by all who love the U.S. as “El Presidente.” He obviously cares much more about what is good for Presidente Fox and the corrupt kleptocracy in Mexico than the well-being of the U.S.
However, those who care about the future must continue to fight to protect our borders, enforce prohibitions against hiring illegals, and grant nothing to illegals except a one-way ticket out of the U.S., pronto. There will be widespread revulsion by those who love the U.S. after the speech and although the Senate is hopeless (and McCain and Frist can kiss any presidential pretensions goodbye as a result of their shameful betrayal of the American people), Republicans in the House will take notice and may hang tough out of a sense of sheer political survival.
ptolemy on May 15, 2006 at 3:33 PM
Just remember…you are contributing to troubles for our soldiers. Just remember that.
tomas on May 15, 2006 at 3:34 PM
godhelpUSA,
I just hope the idea of spanking the Senate and keeping the House catches on. We have libs like “better off blue” on one flank, and defeatists like “tomas” on the other. This is too important for us to do nothing. We need EFFECTIVE ACTION emphasize both words).
dman on May 15, 2006 at 3:37 PM
better of Pinko,
You voted for him, you put your faith in him, and now he’s stabbing you straight in the back as hard as he can, and all you people can do is whine non-stop about Kerry and liberals and make up juvenile kindergarten playground names like “Dimocrats.”
Then who else were we supposed to vote for? John Kerry or maybe Ralph Nader? Are you stating that you go along with every Democratic politician you have ever elected on every single issue? You have no arguments with anything Gore or Kerry ever said? If Hillary Clinton is the next presidential candidate will you support her without a single reservation? Then again, maybe you will. Her platform probably isn’t much, since the Dhimmicratic Party these days defines itself negatively. They tell us what they are against, rather than what they are for.
juvenile kindergarten playground
A perfect description of the nature of your arguments here today.
tommy1 on May 15, 2006 at 3:39 PM
Defeatests…ludicrous. If you would scream and yell for our boys fighting everyday…our border problem would be much easier to control. You guys are selfish.
tomas on May 15, 2006 at 3:40 PM
tomas. My son is in the USAF. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
dman on May 15, 2006 at 3:44 PM
I do…Conservatives quit on them. Where are the voices ringing out for them. They are silent… NEVER AGAIN. It is happening again…they will die more and more because the important voices grow silent.
SCREAM AT YOUR REP TO SUPPORT THEM VOCALLY INSTEAD OF COWERING AT THE ALTER OF AN ELECTION. SCREAM FOR IT TO BE HEARD THAT THEY ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING. GOD BLESS OUR BOYS.
tomas on May 15, 2006 at 3:48 PM
look who’s ludicrous.
dman on May 15, 2006 at 3:49 PM
This has nothing to do with the war in Iraq. I don’t know why this issue is even coming up. Of course, I support our troops. We aren’t silent on the issue, I send care packages and the like, but it is rightfully taken for granted on our side of the political spectrum that our troops should and must enjoy our total support.
Go scream in all capital letters to the “but don’t question our patriotism” liberal crowd.
tommy1 on May 15, 2006 at 3:50 PM
better off blue: The Dems. are A party that is bought and paid for by the “Shawdow Partys”,(Move-On.Org)etc. I belive In my heart that George Bush is A decent man. The leaders of the Dems. are no more than pimps and whores, filled with hatered for this country, they have sold their SOUL. To hear John F’n Kerry last December on one of the Sunday shows calling the troops in Iraq “terrorists” like he did the troops in Vietnam twenty five years ago in front of Congress fills me with rage. To hear Sen. (Helmet Head) Dick Durbin saying the troops in Iraq “are no better than thugs of Pol Pot, or Gastapo stroom troopers”, also fills me with rage. To hear Sen.(the swimmer) Kennedy conplain about the treatment of the terrorists makes my blood boil. Better off blue the leaders of the Demmocrap Party are your God, I hope your proud.
birdman on May 15, 2006 at 3:51 PM
tomas is just flaming. He has nothing positive to contribute.
dman on May 15, 2006 at 3:52 PM
I can and I do question your patriotism.
tomas on May 15, 2006 at 3:54 PM
MM how about you go out and talk about our boys and the importance of what they are doing everyday…maybe these drones will follow you and it will save some lives.
tomas on May 15, 2006 at 3:55 PM
Actually, on behalf of better of blue, I should mention that he didn’t vote for Kerry in the last election. He actually wrote-in Robert “KKK” Bryd for president. Al Gore for veep. ;-)
tommy1 on May 15, 2006 at 3:56 PM
I suggest we focus on what we can constructively do to fend off the pending amnesty disaster, and ignore the flaming.
How do we apply pressure without losing all we have worked for? It’s too late for the primaries - most of them are over. In addition, the RNC has funded the RINOs against their conservative opponents. How do we make our voices felt without ceding everything to the Dems?
Michelle is doing a wonderful thing in this regard. How can we build on that?
dman on May 15, 2006 at 4:03 PM
What “tomas” is saying is that anyone who wants can go to his home, clean it, sweep it, do the laundry, hell even clean out his toilet and he won’t call the police because he doesn’t want to burden the police. He’ll let the housebreaker stay because they’ll be doing jobs he doesn’t want to do.
What a guy that “tomas” is.
moonsbreath on May 15, 2006 at 4:05 PM
Nathen Bedford Forrest founder of the KKK, now theres great Demmocrap. They still honor his birthday in Al Gores home state I hear.
birdman on May 15, 2006 at 4:06 PM
MM for president? Sounds good, Where do I sign up!
Tomas, as an American citizen and a vet, I feel it is my obligation to voice my opinion, either for or against the sitting president, on matters I feel are a threat to the security of the US. He is not all knowing, and NEEDS the guidance of those he governs on the issues that affect us as a whole. Were we as citizens not to respond,we would be in no better shape than the poor souls who languish under the thumb of the worlds despots. Do not confuse objective criticism with bashing. Our guidance is essential to the performance of our nation. The founding fathers created our goverment with this very issue in mind. It is what seperates us from the majority of the world and makes us the finest nation mankind has ever seen.
jcon96 on May 15, 2006 at 4:07 PM
OK. Good points. No more insults. No more flaming. Let us get back to the relevant topic at hand.
tommy1 on May 15, 2006 at 4:08 PM
Bush speaks in less than four hours. We need to remember the lesson of Simpson-Mazzoli. Enforcement FIRST, then talk to us about a “comprehensive” solution. Bush is a good man, but he’s stubborn. So are we. The judgement of the people must prevail on this.
dman on May 15, 2006 at 4:17 PM
I don’t consider standing up for our troops flaming…Don’t mistake it for it. If you don’t like my passion for our troops that is fine. Just remember when and if you win this with all your hearfelt bluster…reexamine how hard you are fighting for them to be heard. They are both one in the same. I would love this passion for those men and women.
Now, I don’t agree that we should have amnest at all…but i believe we must go to the source of the problem…the employers. When they are weeded out, we are pushed to the problem. Searching around for immigrants is silly unless it is on the boarder. Once, they are here the only practical thing is to go after their lifeline. It may be your brother or sister or aunt or uncle. Guards shouldn’t be used for operational purposes…they should be used as quick supply and logistic ops. They can get us to where we need to be, but it must be local citizens who enforce the laws.
tomas on May 15, 2006 at 4:26 PM
It was a quick post…excuse the grammar.
tomas on May 15, 2006 at 4:27 PM
Any “comprehensive immigration reform” that doesn’t start with enforcement several years before a status adjustment for illegal aliens is a fraud. Period. Unfortunately for the political elites, even Joe Sixpack knows this to be true. Perhaps I should write especially Joe Sixpack…
Bush may have lied with impunity in the past, but he cannot tonight. His options are either enforcement, resignation, or impeachment. He can choose one.
godhelpUSA on May 15, 2006 at 4:32 PM
tomas, I agree!!! We also need to stem the flow of the money back to Mexico. If the illegals can’t find work, and if they have difficulty sending money home, they will lose incentive to stay. No roundup needed - they will self-deport.
dman on May 15, 2006 at 4:35 PM
This is Flaming
tomas on May 15, 2006 at 4:35 PM
We must keep pressureing our Congressmen in Washington over the illigals, tell them no amnesty, and to punish employers when they hire illigals. We must tell our Congressmen to stand up and be counted, or be counted out on election day.
birdman on May 15, 2006 at 4:38 PM
not you dman
tomas on May 15, 2006 at 4:39 PM
godhelpUSA,
What’s needed a good spanking, not a political killing. I’m as angry as you are, but we have to be smart about it. We have to focus and direct our energy.
dman on May 15, 2006 at 4:39 PM
Just do it! Secure the border. Enforce existing law. Then vote Tancredo/Malkin ‘08. :0)
whirlygirl on May 15, 2006 at 4:39 PM
Michelle, just a thought for tonight on O’Reilly. Could you talk about the whole “deportation is out of the question,” mantra.
Every time I hear that it makes my blood boil! I think the country could really benefit from a thorough discussion of such.
If all social services/benefits to illegals were cut off as of a certain date, I think that much of the problem would solve itself. Then it would be downright easy to deport whatever is left. Whatever the cost is, it cannot come close to the annual cost of Illegal Aliens.
America1st on May 15, 2006 at 4:45 PM
No Bull indeed! What else can be said. Bush will either unite us all or split us to the point of explosion.
Secure the border, No amnesty, No path to citizenship for lawbreakers, Enforce employment law with regards to illegal immigration.
Thanks MS Malkin for being a leader on this issue.
Altura Ct. on May 15, 2006 at 4:47 PM
One benefit to the illegals that really drives me nuts is when they have A baby, we not only have to pay for the hospital bills and the doctor bills then the child becomes A U.S. citizen. This is A great incentive for coming over the border. Who the hell came up with this idea?
birdman on May 15, 2006 at 4:56 PM
What jobs don’t we want to do? Someone please list them.
I like MM’s comment on the ‘right wage’. I know a lot of people who would do ANYTHING for a wage enough to live on.
Why is there not a headline saying “Mexicans needed to fill job slots. HURRY!!” I must have missed it.
johnnyU on May 15, 2006 at 5:00 PM
Good presentation, Michelle.
Unfortunately, it is unlikely to have any impact on our political minders in Washington D.C.
Repeat after me: Liberalism is the philosophy of consolation as the West commits suicide.
It appears some of our Senators are already drinking the purple Kool-aid.
kurt9 on May 15, 2006 at 5:02 PM
The good spanking or political killing option is in Bush’s hands, dman. We need to fend off Bush, keep the House, and show what can happen to the senators up for re-election this cycle who betray the United States. Bush is yesterday’s garbage; whether he serves out the remainder of his term is in his hands.
godhelpUSA on May 15, 2006 at 5:03 PM
birdman,
Wikipedia has a good article on “anchor babies”. If this problem can be addressed without a constitutional amendment, it should.
dman on May 15, 2006 at 5:04 PM
I posted a long drawn out opinion on this matter last night.
Here: http://joatmoaf.typepad.com/i_love_jet_noise/2006/05/immigration_ref.html
The opinion addresses 11 common myths and mis-conceptions that are being used by the left as their rallying call.
I just hope that Bush doesn’t try to sell us down the river in the name of appeasement.
Joatmoaf on May 15, 2006 at 5:05 PM
dman: Thanks for the information. I will go over to Wikipedia right now.
birdman on May 15, 2006 at 5:08 PM
dman: The Immigration Act of 1965 thats Teddy Kennedys baby.
birdman on May 15, 2006 at 5:14 PM
This is my first post anywhere and I apologize for the length. God knows, there’s so much to say and cover… Oh? Can I say God?
Why is it that we can’t just face facts? The country and the government is debating over something that was already decided years ago, namely how a foreign born individual can enter this country and what track that person is permitted to take.
It’s not like we, all of a sudden, discovered ants in the kitchen. Where is the government “enforcing” the laws already on the books? Obviously, it is not, and therefore, the government is in dereliction of its duty to the citizenry of the country. So, if we all decide not to pay taxes because it suits our liking, and we do it to the tune of millions of people, will the government ignore our transgressions? I doubt it. How can we fire those not doing their jobs? Hmmm? Ever ask yourself “why” they are not enforcing the law?
So what’s going on? And, more pointedly, what’s going on with Bush? Here’s a president who after the events of 9/11 stubbornly invades Iraq in the name of national security yet fails to secur our own borders. Further, he and his handlers are the architects of the Patriot Act, the international call eavesdropping scheme, the NSA collection of general phone records, and who knows what else…but the borders remain open. Does he know something about “terrorism” that he’s not telling us? Is Bush by his misguided policy saying that there is no real terror threat? Well, is he? It’s ironic that we, under Bush, Sr., rushed to the aid of Kuwait when Saddam crossed its borders. It must be that our own borders are far less important to our leaders.
The government, under Bush’s leadership (!) has recently announced that Social Security will soon collapse followed in kind by Medicare. Why do we still have plenty of dollars to provide welfare, medicine and education to non-citizens? Where is that funding coming from? Our pocket. Has Congress applied for and won our approval to disburse OUR money to an invasion force? What gives then the right to take food from our plates and give it away to those not paying their fair share? Do they actually have that right? Where are all the conservative lawyers out there or is that an oxymoron?
Though there’s so much more, I will not go on…you get the point. The problem is systemic and threatens the very core of our existence as a nation. Our government is bought and paid for, but not by us. We need to organize our opposition to the self-serving and reckelss policies of the President and the Congress. As much as I have no use for the French, they have the right idea—a national strike—hit the G where it lives—take to the streets. Better get a plan moving before this administration’s avian flu, or the blob, the terrorist toooth-fairy or worse, more RepibliCrat government comes to your towm.
sickofexcuses on May 15, 2006 at 5:20 PM
Sorry birdman. Saying that hurts me more than it hurts you.
Phytogirl79 on May 15, 2006 at 5:22 PM
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