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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Center for Sanity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Center for Sanity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Death of the Republican Party...&lt;/strong&gt;

I have no problem rooting out and getting rid of all, Democrat and Republican, crooks, swindlers, bribers, sexual deviants, and any other illegal and unethical conduct not befitting a Congressman or Senator.

We don&#039;t elect you to office so you can....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Death of the Republican Party&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I have no problem rooting out and getting rid of all, Democrat and Republican, crooks, swindlers, bribers, sexual deviants, and any other illegal and unethical conduct not befitting a Congressman or Senator.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t elect you to office so you can&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: linlithgow</title>
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		<dc:creator>linlithgow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 20:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today I&#039;ve called my Senators (unfortunately both Democrats), and left a rather &#039;spirited&#039; message at the White House comment line. Yesterday I sent faxes, and this afternoon, I sent an email this afternoon to the President and Veep&#039;s offices. The entire contents are here: http://www.theright-stuff.com/archives/000442.html . I&#039;m doing this because it appears the only way the Senate and leadership will understand the ramifications of this is if we hammer it into their heads. As for the House, I am SO proud of them for standing on principles.

Here&#039;s a site that lists the Congressional leadership and their contact info, as well as your state rep info:

http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/cgi-bin/leadership.cgi?site=congressmerge

Here are two exerpts from my letter:

The President swore to uphold the laws of the United States; not when they were convenient, and not when they suited him. People who break the law coming in to America are still breaking the law. I hear all sorts of excuses from the pro-illegal crowd, including that they are trying to feed their family (who isn’t), so they deserve a break. Are we now tacitly condoning lawbreaking if you’re poor? Is that the type of lowest common denominator society he wants to be the bedrock of his legacy?...

Giving lawbreakers any way to avoid the penalties for their crimes is amnesty in my book, and that’s what the President proposes. He can couch it otherwise and contrive alternate names, but that is what it amounts to. For your reference: am·nes·ty   - n. To grant a general pardon to. Having people pay (back) taxes and queue up is just what every other immigrant has to do; so it’s just amnesty by another name. Saying they’ll ‘go to the back of the line’ is just a specious argument, a red herring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today I&#8217;ve called my Senators (unfortunately both Democrats), and left a rather &#8217;spirited&#8217; message at the White House comment line. Yesterday I sent faxes, and this afternoon, I sent an email this afternoon to the President and Veep&#8217;s offices. The entire contents are here: <a href="http://www.theright-stuff.com/archives/000442.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theright-stuff.com/archives/000442.html</a> . I&#8217;m doing this because it appears the only way the Senate and leadership will understand the ramifications of this is if we hammer it into their heads. As for the House, I am SO proud of them for standing on principles.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a site that lists the Congressional leadership and their contact info, as well as your state rep info:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/cgi-bin/leadership.cgi?site=congressmerge" rel="nofollow">http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/cgi-bin/leadership.cgi?site=congressmerge</a></p>
<p>Here are two exerpts from my letter:</p>
<p>The President swore to uphold the laws of the United States; not when they were convenient, and not when they suited him. People who break the law coming in to America are still breaking the law. I hear all sorts of excuses from the pro-illegal crowd, including that they are trying to feed their family (who isn’t), so they deserve a break. Are we now tacitly condoning lawbreaking if you’re poor? Is that the type of lowest common denominator society he wants to be the bedrock of his legacy?&#8230;</p>
<p>Giving lawbreakers any way to avoid the penalties for their crimes is amnesty in my book, and that’s what the President proposes. He can couch it otherwise and contrive alternate names, but that is what it amounts to. For your reference: am·nes·ty   &#8211; n. To grant a general pardon to. Having people pay (back) taxes and queue up is just what every other immigrant has to do; so it’s just amnesty by another name. Saying they’ll ‘go to the back of the line’ is just a specious argument, a red herring.</p>
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		<title>By: honora</title>
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		<dc:creator>honora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 16:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The man has zero leadership skills, face it.  My liberal friends are right, Bush/Rove are great at getting elected, clueless on how to govern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The man has zero leadership skills, face it.  My liberal friends are right, Bush/Rove are great at getting elected, clueless on how to govern.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 15:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For 25 years I ignored politics. But in 2004 I voted for Bush. The real imminent threat to our country and lifestyle forced me to become engaged. Now the extreme anger, frustration and bitterness I feel are overwhelming. The political elites are motivated not by common sense or logic or a sense of right and wrong but only by their greed and insatiable lust for power. We the people are just cannon fodder and useful idiots to the oligarchs. &quot;Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.&quot; By not voting I changed nothing but did insulate myself from the frustration of participating in sham, corrupt dog and pony shows. Now politics has become the opiate of the masses, all sound and fury signifying nothing. I am going back to sleep now, because there is no meaningful way to influence the outcome. At least in ignorance there is bliss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For 25 years I ignored politics. But in 2004 I voted for Bush. The real imminent threat to our country and lifestyle forced me to become engaged. Now the extreme anger, frustration and bitterness I feel are overwhelming. The political elites are motivated not by common sense or logic or a sense of right and wrong but only by their greed and insatiable lust for power. We the people are just cannon fodder and useful idiots to the oligarchs. &#8220;Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.&#8221; By not voting I changed nothing but did insulate myself from the frustration of participating in sham, corrupt dog and pony shows. Now politics has become the opiate of the masses, all sound and fury signifying nothing. I am going back to sleep now, because there is no meaningful way to influence the outcome. At least in ignorance there is bliss.</p>
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		<title>By: msplitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>msplitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 15:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this man is 1. protecting us from and destroying al-Qaeda 

Halley on May 16, 2006 at 4:42 AM

He is not protecting us from Al Qaeda. He is allowing every al-qaeda member with a plane ticket to mexico walk across our border and assimilate into our cities, waiting to attack. It&#039;s criminal and he should be held accountable.

Do you honestly think not one terrorist has taken advantage of Bush&#039;s open border, let everyone in, I&#039;ll never build a fence policy? Especially during wartime, Bush&#039;s policy is nothing short of Treason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this man is 1. protecting us from and destroying al-Qaeda </p>
<p>Halley on May 16, 2006 at 4:42 AM</p>
<p>He is not protecting us from Al Qaeda. He is allowing every al-qaeda member with a plane ticket to mexico walk across our border and assimilate into our cities, waiting to attack. It&#8217;s criminal and he should be held accountable.</p>
<p>Do you honestly think not one terrorist has taken advantage of Bush&#8217;s open border, let everyone in, I&#8217;ll never build a fence policy? Especially during wartime, Bush&#8217;s policy is nothing short of Treason.</p>
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		<title>By: Cigar Intelligence Agency &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Reaction to Jorge&#8217;s speech</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cigar Intelligence Agency &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Reaction to Jorge&#8217;s speech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 14:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Michelle Malkin featured the speech in The Vent. Like me, she&#8217;s tired of platitudes, and says we don&#8217;t need a &#8220;guest worker&#8221; program.  There&#8217;s also another huge blog roundup at Hot Air.  Don&#8217;t miss the hundreds of reader comments on this one. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Michelle Malkin featured the speech in The Vent. Like me, she&#8217;s tired of platitudes, and says we don&#8217;t need a &#8220;guest worker&#8221; program.  There&#8217;s also another huge blog roundup at Hot Air.  Don&#8217;t miss the hundreds of reader comments on this one. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Patterico&#8217;s Pontifications &#187; Bush&#8217;s Immigration Speech</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patterico&#8217;s Pontifications &#187; Bush&#8217;s Immigration Speech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 14:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As for Bush&#8217;s speech, Allah has the reaction roundups, here, here, and here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As for Bush&#8217;s speech, Allah has the reaction roundups, here, here, and here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: right as rain man</title>
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		<dc:creator>right as rain man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 14:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After the President&#039;s less than inspiring speech, I&#039;ve decided &quot;if you can&#039;t beat &#039;em, join &#039;em.&quot;  

I&#039;ve always thought being an executive at Microsoft would be a nice job.  Big company, good benefits, etc., but they&#039;ve got to be flooded with applications.  I don&#039;t want to wait.  Fortunately though, I&#039;ve heard the window on the northeast corner at headquarters is often left unlocked.

So, tonight, I&#039;m going to crawl in through that window and plop my butt behind a big desk with a nice corner view. They&#039;ll probably tell me to get out, but I&#039;ll start making demands and by lunch they&#039;ll probably offer to let me stay if I accept a slightly smaller office.  Not too shabby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After the President&#8217;s less than inspiring speech, I&#8217;ve decided &#8220;if you can&#8217;t beat &#8216;em, join &#8216;em.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always thought being an executive at Microsoft would be a nice job.  Big company, good benefits, etc., but they&#8217;ve got to be flooded with applications.  I don&#8217;t want to wait.  Fortunately though, I&#8217;ve heard the window on the northeast corner at headquarters is often left unlocked.</p>
<p>So, tonight, I&#8217;m going to crawl in through that window and plop my butt behind a big desk with a nice corner view. They&#8217;ll probably tell me to get out, but I&#8217;ll start making demands and by lunch they&#8217;ll probably offer to let me stay if I accept a slightly smaller office.  Not too shabby.</p>
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		<title>By: Capt.Herp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Capt.Herp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 13:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One last comment on the Denogean story above -- does this remind anyone of Clinton talking about all the black church burnings that happened when he was a boy -- that actually never happened?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One last comment on the Denogean story above &#8212; does this remind anyone of Clinton talking about all the black church burnings that happened when he was a boy &#8212; that actually never happened?</p>
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		<title>By: Capt.Herp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Capt.Herp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 12:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I missed this, but as noted on the blog at http://www.minutemanhq.com this is brought up by the media spokesman for the Minutemen, quoted verbatim --

In Bush&#039;s speech, he tried (as noted at the Minuteman blogs) to personalize, without saying &quot;illegal&quot; at all, someone who fought for this country in Iraq and was wounded:

&quot;On a visit to Bethesda Naval Hospital, Laura and I met a wounded Marine named Guadalupe Denogean. Master Gunnery Sergeant Denogean came to the United States from Mexico when he was a boy. He spent his summers picking crops with his family, and then he volunteered for the United States Marine Corps as soon as he was able. During the liberation of Iraq, Master Gunnery Sergeant Denogean was seriously injured. When asked if he had any requests, he made two – a promotion for the corporal who helped rescue him … and the chance to become an American citizen. And when this brave Marine raised his right hand, and swore an oath to become a citizen of the country he had defended for more than 26 years, I was honored to stand at his side.&quot;

&lt;b&gt;So, Master Gunnery Sergeant Denogean defended this country for 26 years.  If this is actually a true story, Master Gunnery Sergeant Denogean was in America when Ronald Reagan granted a supposed one-time amnesty 20 years ago.

Denogean was eligible for amnesty 20 years ago.  What&#039;s wrong with this picture?&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I missed this, but as noted on the blog at <a href="http://www.minutemanhq.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.minutemanhq.com</a> this is brought up by the media spokesman for the Minutemen, quoted verbatim &#8211;</p>
<p>In Bush&#8217;s speech, he tried (as noted at the Minuteman blogs) to personalize, without saying &#8220;illegal&#8221; at all, someone who fought for this country in Iraq and was wounded:</p>
<p>&#8220;On a visit to Bethesda Naval Hospital, Laura and I met a wounded Marine named Guadalupe Denogean. Master Gunnery Sergeant Denogean came to the United States from Mexico when he was a boy. He spent his summers picking crops with his family, and then he volunteered for the United States Marine Corps as soon as he was able. During the liberation of Iraq, Master Gunnery Sergeant Denogean was seriously injured. When asked if he had any requests, he made two – a promotion for the corporal who helped rescue him … and the chance to become an American citizen. And when this brave Marine raised his right hand, and swore an oath to become a citizen of the country he had defended for more than 26 years, I was honored to stand at his side.&#8221;</p>
<p><b>So, Master Gunnery Sergeant Denogean defended this country for 26 years.  If this is actually a true story, Master Gunnery Sergeant Denogean was in America when Ronald Reagan granted a supposed one-time amnesty 20 years ago.</p>
<p>Denogean was eligible for amnesty 20 years ago.  What&#8217;s wrong with this picture?</b></p>
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		<title>By: CrazyFool</title>
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		<dc:creator>CrazyFool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 12:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He *is* more concerned with Mexico then the United States! 
 
Thats the problem!

Apologizing to Foxx for even this tenth-ass securing of our border (while Fox&#039;es military are actively aiding and abeding the illegals and drug runners).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He *is* more concerned with Mexico then the United States! </p>
<p>Thats the problem!</p>
<p>Apologizing to Foxx for even this tenth-ass securing of our border (while Fox&#8217;es military are actively aiding and abeding the illegals and drug runners).</p>
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		<title>By: lizzee</title>
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		<dc:creator>lizzee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 12:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the speech was very weak. Bush needed to hammer home many points which he instead ignored. He sounded as though-he was more concerned with Mexico than with America.
  I am beginning to think he IS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the speech was very weak. Bush needed to hammer home many points which he instead ignored. He sounded as though-he was more concerned with Mexico than with America.<br />
  I am beginning to think he IS.</p>
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		<title>By: Halley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Halley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 08:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The strong and very harsh criticism president Bush has been getting on this, with Michelle and others valiantly leading the way, has been well-deserved. But reverting to adolescent name-calling and even insinuating sinister (!!!) motives (this man is 1. protecting us from and destroying al-Qaeda 2. dismantling the Left-judiciary 3. doing what he can to lower taxes) will only help discredit the pro-enforcement side. Some of the vitriol here reminds me of the Democratic Underground. Surely we should dread ever finding common cause with them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The strong and very harsh criticism president Bush has been getting on this, with Michelle and others valiantly leading the way, has been well-deserved. But reverting to adolescent name-calling and even insinuating sinister (!!!) motives (this man is 1. protecting us from and destroying al-Qaeda 2. dismantling the Left-judiciary 3. doing what he can to lower taxes) will only help discredit the pro-enforcement side. Some of the vitriol here reminds me of the Democratic Underground. Surely we should dread ever finding common cause with them?</p>
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		<title>By: Rowane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 04:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just as I knew would happen, the sawed-off little shrimp (that I voted for, no less) has sold our nation to the Globalist goons of the world.

Heaven help us.

Duty, Honor, Country
in that order
Rowane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as I knew would happen, the sawed-off little shrimp (that I voted for, no less) has sold our nation to the Globalist goons of the world.</p>
<p>Heaven help us.</p>
<p>Duty, Honor, Country<br />
in that order<br />
Rowane</p>
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		<title>By: OCBill</title>
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		<dc:creator>OCBill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 04:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am happy to report that Hugh Hewitt seems to be coming to his senses.  When he went to an Administration spokesperson to get some of the details behind what might have seemed a reasonable speech, his optimism faded.  It&#039;s good to realize that I was wrong about Hugh on this one and that he seems to be sticking to his guns regarding real fences versus virtual ones.  This is good news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am happy to report that Hugh Hewitt seems to be coming to his senses.  When he went to an Administration spokesperson to get some of the details behind what might have seemed a reasonable speech, his optimism faded.  It&#8217;s good to realize that I was wrong about Hugh on this one and that he seems to be sticking to his guns regarding real fences versus virtual ones.  This is good news.</p>
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		<title>By: GT</title>
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		<dc:creator>GT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 04:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Halley,

You remind me of something that Reagan once said.

I&#039;m paraphrasing....&quot;When someone agrees with you 80% of the time, he is not your enemy.&quot;

(Hopefully, someone can find the actual quote)

I find that I agree with President Bush on more things than I disagree.  And I certainly disagree with Democrats on more things than I do the President.

That said, why do some insist on shooting themselves in the foot to make a point is the intelligent thing to do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Halley,</p>
<p>You remind me of something that Reagan once said.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m paraphrasing&#8230;.&#8221;When someone agrees with you 80% of the time, he is not your enemy.&#8221;</p>
<p>(Hopefully, someone can find the actual quote)</p>
<p>I find that I agree with President Bush on more things than I disagree.  And I certainly disagree with Democrats on more things than I do the President.</p>
<p>That said, why do some insist on shooting themselves in the foot to make a point is the intelligent thing to do?</p>
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		<title>By: Halley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Halley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 04:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m as upset and disillusioned about this amnesty &quot;plan&quot; as anyone, but I think I&#039;m more frightened by some of the sentiments expressed on this thread.

If we start sounding like wacko Leftists in our criticism of the president, we will end up handing the Left this country. Reagan had his faults and Reagan (the first amnesty, people!) had to compromise and Reagan had to deal with an often hostile congress, and yet Reagan is still - rightly so - a hero. It&#039;s inexplicable to me too, why W won&#039;t just enforce, enforce, enforce, but hey - he has been an OUTSTANDING commander in chief, and he is still fearlessly and successfully outwitting, demoralizing and killing our Islamist enemies, all against a sickening 5-year flood of Leftist &quot;world opinion&quot;. Give him credit where it is due, and cease and desist with the ridiculously counterproductive &quot;Jorge Bush&quot; impeachment talk, please. If that&#039;s what the Right has become, no one will be happier than the Left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m as upset and disillusioned about this amnesty &#8220;plan&#8221; as anyone, but I think I&#8217;m more frightened by some of the sentiments expressed on this thread.</p>
<p>If we start sounding like wacko Leftists in our criticism of the president, we will end up handing the Left this country. Reagan had his faults and Reagan (the first amnesty, people!) had to compromise and Reagan had to deal with an often hostile congress, and yet Reagan is still &#8211; rightly so &#8211; a hero. It&#8217;s inexplicable to me too, why W won&#8217;t just enforce, enforce, enforce, but hey &#8211; he has been an OUTSTANDING commander in chief, and he is still fearlessly and successfully outwitting, demoralizing and killing our Islamist enemies, all against a sickening 5-year flood of Leftist &#8220;world opinion&#8221;. Give him credit where it is due, and cease and desist with the ridiculously counterproductive &#8220;Jorge Bush&#8221; impeachment talk, please. If that&#8217;s what the Right has become, no one will be happier than the Left.</p>
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		<title>By: Flopping Aces &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The President&#8217;s Immigration Speech</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The President&#8217;s Immigration Speech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 03:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hot Air  Bush Immigration Speech   Filed in: Immigration &#124;        7 Comments &#187; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: pistolero</title>
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		<dc:creator>pistolero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 02:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latinleo,
Leave it to a liberal interloper to cast out the first old reliable accusation of &#039;racist&#039; to anyone who challenges their leftist ideaology.  I care not one wit what you think of me or my opinions and as to your reckless charge that I am a racist, prove it.  Nothing in that post labels you as anything but a liar and a leftist (not to be redundant).  I refuse to knuckle under to your false assertion that if I want to protect my country from lawless invaders that I am a racist.  If you are truly a Cuban refugee you would certainly recognize that democracy and the rule of law is the only thing keeping the USA from plunging into another lawless third world country like the one you purport to have escaped from.  I think that you are not who you claim to be, but in either case, if you wish to cast your vote for Democrats, be my guest.  We are still a free country and you can do what you like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latinleo,<br />
Leave it to a liberal interloper to cast out the first old reliable accusation of &#8216;racist&#8217; to anyone who challenges their leftist ideaology.  I care not one wit what you think of me or my opinions and as to your reckless charge that I am a racist, prove it.  Nothing in that post labels you as anything but a liar and a leftist (not to be redundant).  I refuse to knuckle under to your false assertion that if I want to protect my country from lawless invaders that I am a racist.  If you are truly a Cuban refugee you would certainly recognize that democracy and the rule of law is the only thing keeping the USA from plunging into another lawless third world country like the one you purport to have escaped from.  I think that you are not who you claim to be, but in either case, if you wish to cast your vote for Democrats, be my guest.  We are still a free country and you can do what you like.</p>
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		<title>By: linlithgow</title>
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		<dc:creator>linlithgow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 02:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, I want to just say that my husband and I think we&#039;re nuts and I come back to this site to reassure myself that we&#039;re not. So far, no white coats for us.

Ironmouse voiced one of my complaints- one I&#039;ve been active in expressing to Senators via email and letters- which is selective application of laws. We&#039;re just arbitrary in what laws we apply to whom, if we give a pass to illegal immigrants en masse. I&#039;m tired of the &#039;they have families&#039; excuse; I didn&#039;t invite them here, they were breaking the law when they came here and they knew it. Do we not put people in jail for crimes because they have children? 

I&#039;m also tired of the &#039;expense&#039; excuse; as in &quot;it&#039;s expensive to deport people&quot;. Right is right, regardless of how difficult it is. It&#039;s RIGHT to deport unrepentent illegal immigrants, regardless of how difficult a task it seems to be. 

A short amnesty period for companies to declare their illegal workers to INS, or face stiff fines and criminal indictment is a two pronged approach. First off, it would encourage employers to turn in illegal immigrants or face crushing penalties; I think most would choose the former. Secondly, it&#039;s psyops of a sort; illegal immigrants who haven&#039;t yet been turned in by their employers would fear it and would probably take the initiative rather than wait for the axe to fall. This &#039;attrition&#039;, as Michelle calls it, is the least expensive way as well.

Because how expensive is the alternative? How expensive would it be to process the applications and do background checks for 11 million people? 

There&#039;s also a hidden cost to assimilating these people. People fond of &#039;illegal immigrant rights&#039; (let&#039;s be clear, they&#039;re illegal immigrants, not just immigrants), point out how much these people save the US economy, because they are willing to work for lower wages. 

What they don&#039;t discuss is that many of these people are currently paid under the table, and at below minimum wage. Once they attain their guest worker status, they will be paid at minimum wage or higher, and benefits to boot; so any economic advantage gained by having an illegal worker (as opposed to an American who wants a &#039;fair wage&#039;), is gone.

A corollary to that deals with their potential for advancement. The majority of these people do not even have a high school education; so prospects for advancement and promotions is extraordinarily limited. There are already calls to increase the minimum wage so that people can support their entire families on it. These entry level positions were never meant to support families, but supply teenagers with valuable work experience or serve as a transitional job. What happens when millions of unskilled workers strike to get a $14 minimum wage, so they can support their families? What will this do to the cost of goods and food? Employers will hire fewer employees because the cost to do so will be exorbitant.

A fallout from this will be that our healthy middle class with be taxed, both figuratively and literally. They will feel the greatest effects of increased cost of goods and higher unemployment.

Don&#039;t even get me started on the World Worker&#039;s Party tie in; months ago I was concerned about granting amnesty to a group comprised of one ethnicity- particularly one of low average education- because of the possibility for a worker&#039;s revolution. There&#039;s no excuse to being blind to this possibility. 

If we don&#039;t send these people back to Mexico we also become part Mexico&#039;s problems; no one will be motivated to change Mexico&#039;s corrupt government unless they are forced to face it and feel the pain. 

All we hear though are SOB stories about someone who has been here for 10 years; what about the legal immigrants who have to dance the INS polka and wait for years and pay taxes into a vacuum?

I am ashamed of President Bush; whatever happened to upholding the laws of the United States?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, I want to just say that my husband and I think we&#8217;re nuts and I come back to this site to reassure myself that we&#8217;re not. So far, no white coats for us.</p>
<p>Ironmouse voiced one of my complaints- one I&#8217;ve been active in expressing to Senators via email and letters- which is selective application of laws. We&#8217;re just arbitrary in what laws we apply to whom, if we give a pass to illegal immigrants en masse. I&#8217;m tired of the &#8216;they have families&#8217; excuse; I didn&#8217;t invite them here, they were breaking the law when they came here and they knew it. Do we not put people in jail for crimes because they have children? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m also tired of the &#8216;expense&#8217; excuse; as in &#8220;it&#8217;s expensive to deport people&#8221;. Right is right, regardless of how difficult it is. It&#8217;s RIGHT to deport unrepentent illegal immigrants, regardless of how difficult a task it seems to be. </p>
<p>A short amnesty period for companies to declare their illegal workers to INS, or face stiff fines and criminal indictment is a two pronged approach. First off, it would encourage employers to turn in illegal immigrants or face crushing penalties; I think most would choose the former. Secondly, it&#8217;s psyops of a sort; illegal immigrants who haven&#8217;t yet been turned in by their employers would fear it and would probably take the initiative rather than wait for the axe to fall. This &#8216;attrition&#8217;, as Michelle calls it, is the least expensive way as well.</p>
<p>Because how expensive is the alternative? How expensive would it be to process the applications and do background checks for 11 million people? </p>
<p>There&#8217;s also a hidden cost to assimilating these people. People fond of &#8216;illegal immigrant rights&#8217; (let&#8217;s be clear, they&#8217;re illegal immigrants, not just immigrants), point out how much these people save the US economy, because they are willing to work for lower wages. </p>
<p>What they don&#8217;t discuss is that many of these people are currently paid under the table, and at below minimum wage. Once they attain their guest worker status, they will be paid at minimum wage or higher, and benefits to boot; so any economic advantage gained by having an illegal worker (as opposed to an American who wants a &#8216;fair wage&#8217;), is gone.</p>
<p>A corollary to that deals with their potential for advancement. The majority of these people do not even have a high school education; so prospects for advancement and promotions is extraordinarily limited. There are already calls to increase the minimum wage so that people can support their entire families on it. These entry level positions were never meant to support families, but supply teenagers with valuable work experience or serve as a transitional job. What happens when millions of unskilled workers strike to get a $14 minimum wage, so they can support their families? What will this do to the cost of goods and food? Employers will hire fewer employees because the cost to do so will be exorbitant.</p>
<p>A fallout from this will be that our healthy middle class with be taxed, both figuratively and literally. They will feel the greatest effects of increased cost of goods and higher unemployment.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t even get me started on the World Worker&#8217;s Party tie in; months ago I was concerned about granting amnesty to a group comprised of one ethnicity- particularly one of low average education- because of the possibility for a worker&#8217;s revolution. There&#8217;s no excuse to being blind to this possibility. </p>
<p>If we don&#8217;t send these people back to Mexico we also become part Mexico&#8217;s problems; no one will be motivated to change Mexico&#8217;s corrupt government unless they are forced to face it and feel the pain. </p>
<p>All we hear though are SOB stories about someone who has been here for 10 years; what about the legal immigrants who have to dance the INS polka and wait for years and pay taxes into a vacuum?</p>
<p>I am ashamed of President Bush; whatever happened to upholding the laws of the United States?</p>
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		<title>By: justpiper</title>
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		<dc:creator>justpiper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 02:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jefferson101

Do you live in Chicago because my Critter is Rahm Emanuel, Clinton butt buddy</description>
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<p>Do you live in Chicago because my Critter is Rahm Emanuel, Clinton butt buddy</p>
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		<title>By: speed647</title>
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		<dc:creator>speed647</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 02:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>latinleo, you say:

&quot;I am just following the trends most Cubans are following&quot;

Why don&#039;t you try thinking for yourself? That&#039;s what we do here in America.

-and-

&quot;While we appreciate the fact that we are allowed to become citizens...&quot;

If you really appreciated it, you&#039;d get down on your knees and thank God that America welcomed you out from under one of the world&#039;s cruelest dictators. And you wouldn&#039;t be here bashing people who disagree with you, you&#039;d be working with  patriotic Cuban-Americans against the Castro regime that&#039;s enslaving your people. You are a hypocrite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>latinleo, you say:</p>
<p>&#8220;I am just following the trends most Cubans are following&#8221;</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you try thinking for yourself? That&#8217;s what we do here in America.</p>
<p>-and-</p>
<p>&#8220;While we appreciate the fact that we are allowed to become citizens&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>If you really appreciated it, you&#8217;d get down on your knees and thank God that America welcomed you out from under one of the world&#8217;s cruelest dictators. And you wouldn&#8217;t be here bashing people who disagree with you, you&#8217;d be working with  patriotic Cuban-Americans against the Castro regime that&#8217;s enslaving your people. You are a hypocrite.</p>
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		<title>By: Romeo13</title>
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		<dc:creator>Romeo13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 02:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey now.... don&#039;t insult us Drunken Sailors now....

We only spend whats in our pockets...

USN Ret.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey now&#8230;. don&#8217;t insult us Drunken Sailors now&#8230;.</p>
<p>We only spend whats in our pockets&#8230;</p>
<p>USN Ret.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 02:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Need to form the American Rational Party.  A wall, smack illegal&#039;s employers, kill off the earmarks and other &#039;drunken sailor&#039; spending.  Maybe Michelle would run! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Need to form the American Rational Party.  A wall, smack illegal&#8217;s employers, kill off the earmarks and other &#8216;drunken sailor&#8217; spending.  Maybe Michelle would run! :)</p>
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