To identify illegals with such ID, you have to challenge citizens to prove who they are. After all, these illegals have ID showing they are citizens.

Right now there is no ‘national database’. Local entities maintain birth and death records. Computerized records are not shared. Social Security and the IRS have data based on pension and earnings filings. However, their data is weak and filled with misused, duplicate, fraudulent social security numbers thanks to our illegal friends. Their files do not prove identity, or citizenship. You would have to go back to the source, local records, and even do investigations of hospital, school, and neighbors to weed out the fakers.

Many illegals may accept the temporary worker ID. But if they have to go back to Mexico under the new terms, there will be a moment of decision. These people live in the here and now. Their decisions are for themselves, not us, based on their own sense of survival. The Bush ID will not end the shadow nation.

Theoretically a national ID card database would end the problem, but there would have to be a massive investigative effort like I described to verify who the real citizens are. Otherwise, a national ID card system would also be full of duplicates, fakes and frauds.

Now, as I see Specter lending his mighty position to the Bush citizenship give-away, and help bring down the Secure-the-borders-first proposal, I understand the importance the White House gave to retaining him.

I kick myself for falling for the White House explanation of rescuing Specter. Specter was a hard pill to swallow, but I ate it like a good kid. Fool me once.

A quick survey of what conservative (and semi-conservative) bloggers have to say about yesterday’s speech by President Bush. There seems to be a common theme underlying most of the responses, but I will do my best to make this edition of the Carnival …

So, we’re right back to a national ID card debate. People are up in arms over the POSSIBILITY that the NSA was keeping track of calls by phone number… this will give a database of ALL workers in the US to the Federal Government.

Tie this in with Homeland Secs and FEMAs ISO 700 and ISO 800 plans for a National clearing house for First Responders, which WILL be tied, by design to the FBI and other Police Databases…

See the picture here which is evolving?

The Feds are using the EXCUSE of not being able to control the border to create a climate of fear, which will allow them to create a National Database of all adults…

Perhaps the “president has wimped out crowd” above can spell out a better plan other than a police state.

I feel that the id card documentation of the undocumented illegal immigrants will allow us to at least bring the illegals into the sunlight so we can deal with them. The enforcement of “no Card no employment” will dry up the attraction for so many to risk their lives in charging the border.

The President asked for money to reimburse the states for the use of the National Guard. Remember that the Governors have control of their use. The border states Governors can deploy them as they wish but then the border states would foot the bill. Unless marshall law is declaried the president can NOT simply send the troops to the border.

As I see it, the Guard will be slowing the rush of those intent on illegaly crossing our borders and the id card/ employer sanctions will decrease the attraction.
I don’t believe in amnesty but I also don’t believe mass enforced deportation would work without bloodshed. At least with doumentation of the now undocumented illeagals we would know where they are and allow them to share one of our benefits of citizenship…..TAXATION.

Bush was right. Now let’s see what congress does.

When I was stationed in Germany in the late 80’s one of our yearly deployments was to pull guard duty on the border in a town called Fulda. We were trained for the mission and fully capable of executing our orders uncluding assisting defectors and others crossing the border from east to west.

While in Colorado we had units deployed for drug interdiction along the U.S southern border and in other areas looking for crops and mules.

The statements made that this kind of action is unprecedented, unheard of, or somehow outside the scope of the military is ridiculous. We have, we do, we should. Period.

I dare any supporter of open borders to gather 11,000,000 U.S citizens at the Mexican border and cross. See if Fox calls it ‘Immigration’ or ‘Invasion’. Try it on the Canadian border as well. To say that simply wanting to ensure our laws are obeyed, our people protected, and to keep our economy strong is racist is just another example of the opposition being bankrupt of ideas and unwilling to truly debate the issue. When you have no true substance to add to a discussion you never fail to fall back on name calling. Bravo.

100,000,000+ immigrants in 20 years?

Thus fell Rome.

We scan the sphere…so you don’t have to: * Real Clear Politics: GOP ‘06 Prospects Took a Hit Last Night * Powerline: Reconquista, Here We Come! * Michelle Malkin: Same old, same old * Bainbridge: Bush’s speech * Hot Air:……

“Since the illegals are doing jobs Americans won’t do, I assume they will quit as soon as they become American citizens, leaving us with the same problem we apparently have now.”

Every one of those “new voters” is a democrat vote. ONLY a total idiot would even CONSIDER allowing someone who BROKE THE LAW to come here, to become a VOTER in this Country. We don’t let felons vote, why would we let these people vote, even if some stupid politician managed to turn them into a “citizen”???

And add to that Clark’s perfect insight above, and it makes Bush look like the perfect fool he seems to quickly be turning into.

el Presidente Jorge Arbusto swore to protect us against all enemies. How are criminals crossing our borders not enemies and therefore not something to be concerned about?

I’m very pro-immigrant as you can see from the opening sentence of this post. But we have to have immigration in an orderly way and we have to have security at the border. The Senate bill that the president supports gives us neither. Most of the rest of his speech was symbolism. There were good parts, such as beefing up the Border Patrol and improving the border tech across the board, but the bad parts–the guest worker program and so forth–will encourage more illegal immigration and thereby overwhelm the good parts.

Sometimes good people are just wrong, even dangerously so, and the open borders folks are just dangerously wrong on this issue.

My husband happens to be one of the “brown people” and he and I both are disgusted over the lack of security over the border. He doesn’t trust the illegals, and he doesn’t want me to go to certain parts of town alone because of all of the Mexicans. I could go on and on about how my husband feels about this, just to show it’s not about “kill all of the brown people.”

My wife, also lovely and a legal immigrant finds the phrase offensive too — she too voted and is a fan of President Bush; however, believes that her country of origin or region of origin simply doesn’t have the ‘voter block’…

Few RINO’s have the guts to stand up to it, so avoidance becomes their only weapon. They’ve fallen into the PC trap as much as any university president.

The only people who have “overheated” the immigration issue with tiresome rhetoric are those who makes their living in the Beltway: most of Congress (especially the Senate) and the President. And, of course, the illegal alien Hispanic lobbies that engineered the recent boycotts, walkouts and protests.

That an influx of millions of poor, non-English-speaking people (we are concerned not only with Hispanics!) and their refusal or inability to accept and adapt to American culture will forever alter the face of this country is not a ’scare statistic’; it is already happening.

The numbers are indeed staggering.

Same old, same old. And if you don’t think that’s a problem, please read this report by the Heritage Foundation: Senate Immigration Bill Would Allow 100 Million New Legal Immigrants over the Next Twenty Years….

http://www.spectator.org/blogger_comments.asp?BlogID=2872

And promoting the 200 million scare statistic from Heritage Foundation? Come ON. You’re in Ted Danson territory now. Might as well put on your gas mask and hunker down for Armageddon.

I respect you too much to say much more. Everyone is overheated on this issue right now. But understand, this conservative is not happy with the the plunge into toxicity that this “debate” is taking — on the Right. Up til now, you’ve added a great deal of useful commentary and insight. Don’t go over the border of sanity on me now, baby.

After the speech last night, I took a look around the right side of the blogosphere to get a sense……