A Wasted Opportunity
posted at 8:51 pm on May 15, 2006 by Bryan
My lovely wife, who is a legal immigrant from Japan, is a fan of President Bush but bristled at the line in his speech tonight about “jobs Americans aren’t doing.” It’s probably the worst single line in widespread political use today. Its one benefit may be that it’s ecumenical in its offensiveness–everyone outside the political class can find some reason to find it grating. To a legal immigrant, that line is offensive because it makes it sound as though Americans are somehow innately superior and should’t have to work. It comes across as condescending and racist at the same time. To American citizens, the line is offensive because it gives the impression that Americans are lazy and no longer capable of hard work. Do the politicians from Bush on down realize that that one single line slaps everyone outside the Beltway in the face? Do they care?
Our political class has lost touch on the immigration issue. The president is supporting the Senate immigration bill that may be the worst single bill in American history. The Heritage Foundation estimates that if passed as is, the Hagel-Martinez bill could invite in as many as 200,000,000 legal immigrants in the next 20 years through amnesty and family chain migration, while doing nothing at all to stem the tide of illegal immigrants.
The impact of 200,000,000 immigrants in 20 years’ time is mind-boggling. No country on earth could remain the same country after taking in so many immigrants so fast.
The president had the chance to show some leadership on the illegal immigration issue tonight, but in my opinion he failed. His prescriptions to shore up the border are weak in the short term and in the long term, just take too long before they’re effective. Terrorists could slip across that border tonight. The president and his team have had five years to do something about that, and they have stubbornly refused.
Tonight’s speech was a wasted opportunity to regain any of the stature he once had, and probably the last one he will get during his time in office. It’s a shame. He is a good man. He is just dreadfully wrong on this issue.
Confederate Yankee sums up the president’s speech in one sentence: He’s “The Divider.” I think I disagree. Presidente Arbusto has united the country around one thing: Roughly 71% of Americans are united in strongly disapproving of at least one of his policies.










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Illegals not only break in line, they get to wait inside the house where the line forms and have babies that are automatic citizens.
No Mr. Bush, you’ve just given us reformers a COMPREHENSIVE boost to fight you even harder.
bucktowndusty on May 15, 2006 at 9:02 PM
Tell me how this is a full commitment to Preserve, Protect and Defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. We’ve all been taken for suckers. On the one hand the government is turning a blind eye to this invasion of our country and on the other hand the politicos control the electoral process and who can speak out and when they can do it. They impugne the Minutemen and celebrate the invaders. Bush cowers before Vincente Fox who brow beats Bush like a little kid. What happened to that rock ribbed patriot who stood in the rubble of the World Trade Center? Now he’s ushering in the rabble of the world.
pistolero on May 15, 2006 at 9:20 PM
Yep. He blew it big time.
tommy1 on May 15, 2006 at 9:28 PM
The President is touting amnesty. He can wrap his proposals up in whatever wrapping paper he likes and put as many pretty bows on it as he wants, but in the end his proposals are tantamount to AMNESTY. This is a slap in the face to all who have followed the legal route and respected the laws of the United States, I being one of them. Those ILLEGAL immigrants do not deserve preferential treatment and being allowed to stay with so called “penalties” leading to citizenship is not penalization it is a REWARD. America needs to wake up and fight back and the minuteman organization is a good start, neither the Republicans or the Democrats will stand up and enforce the law and the border; the only things on their minds are VOTES.
davidfoneill on May 15, 2006 at 9:30 PM
After watching the President’s speech I don’t think I could feel more betrayed. What is it going to take to get it through to our “Leaders” to get them to understand they need to control the border, now, today, this minute and no amnesty under any circumstances? How do we put the screws to the senate to help them understand this is unacceptable?
In any case, I just emailed the RNC and informed them that I just sent the money I was going to send them to the Minutemen instead. Perhaps a futile gesture, but it sure made me feel better.
cyberstoic on May 15, 2006 at 9:36 PM
Well, if the one thing on their mind truly is “VOTES”. I would venture to say they lost quite a few.
Cpilot on May 15, 2006 at 9:36 PM
“jobs Americans aren’t doing.”
This is worse than “won’t do” because it implies that these are jobs being created specifically for foreigners to sneak into the country to do.
Perchant on May 15, 2006 at 9:37 PM
He still dodged stating a plan for the “workers” program. Who gets to stay? How is this not amnesty, oh yeah …a fine. Why would they go register now? After they’ve been here how long? Like it matters.
Now if it works at all, the best/worst criminals are sure to get through.
shooter on May 15, 2006 at 9:39 PM
I’ve been a Republican my entire life. I’ve supported Bush but I no longer can. The Republican party has lost my vote. His speech was a huge disappointment. You can tell he was trying to play both sides however I am glad to see most Americans are educated enough to see right thru him.
SugarnSpice on May 15, 2006 at 9:53 PM
If amnesty is given then the people who employee illegal aliens will have to find new illegal aliens who will work for less than minimum wage. The people given amnesty will not work for that little anymore.
tracelan on May 15, 2006 at 9:59 PM
Ever since I have been able to work, I’ve always tried to be honest and play by the rules. I always payed my taxes and never took any money “under the table,” though I was offered to do so several times. Now, people, not even born in this country, get to cross the border, break the law, and get rewarded.
Paul Atreides on May 15, 2006 at 10:01 PM
The President, the Senate, and the House Dems disgust me.
p0s3r on May 15, 2006 at 10:02 PM
Part of me thinks the President is simply trying to be pragmatic. Another part of me thinks he is simply trying to to be middle of the road.
The problem is that no one likes a pragmatist and people who walk down the middle of the road tend to get run over.
GT on May 15, 2006 at 10:03 PM
I missed the speach, but tuned in to Hugh Hewitt in the car as soon as I could and quickly realized Bush blew it. I’m not sure why he bothered going on tonight if that’s all he had to say. Obviously just more of the same with the (unintended I assume) consequences of further alienating the base. Is our party really so tone deaf?
right as rain man on May 15, 2006 at 10:13 PM
Cyberstoic – I did the same thing as well as send my voter registration card to el Presidente with the explanation that I won’t be needing it any more – I’ve changed to the Constitution Party.
I’ve also sent $$$ to the Minute Men. If enough people do it, ya think they’ll get it.???
stenwin77 on May 15, 2006 at 10:24 PM
I see the “kill all the brown people” crowd wasn’t swayed by the speech.
RATIONAL Americans support the President. This was a great speach.
infra172 on May 15, 2006 at 10:29 PM
When liberals such as infra172 support the President, we know a policy is bad for the country!
I cannot understand for the life of me why Bush is so stubborn on this issue. If he is hoping that Hispanics will vote for Republicans as a majority sometime in the future he is kidding himself. And 100,000,000 new immigrants by 2020. The man needs to get out of the District.
Finally, why CAN’T we deport illegals? When I lived in Malaysia that government deported thousands of illegals successfully as government policy. Korea and Japan have done the same thing. Allowing droves of illegals into your country shows a gross lack of national esteem. No wonder so many illegals have no respect for America.
Let’s just hope that conservative Republicans in the House and Senate will not budge on amnesty and will only support an enforcement only bill.
My senator and representative–George Allen and Tom Davis-seem to be consistent on enforcing the border and will definitely get my support this November. If they back down, I simply won’t vote.
januarius on May 15, 2006 at 10:39 PM
I strongly resent “infra172′s” comments above. His openly racist comments are offensive and he’s trying to put a racist label and onus on anyone who disagrees with his biased point of view. Well, that’s his privilege because of the work and efforts of better men than him.
I don’t believe that President Bush truly understands the strong feelings in this country that the first and major issue is border control along with immigration law enforcement. Contrary to “infra172′s” belief that border control is racist, it’s protecting our country and trying to secure our future as a democracy. There’ll always be bigots like “infra172″ and we hope they’ll someday learn to understand how to accept their fellow man!
DougW on May 15, 2006 at 10:40 PM
Tonight’s speech is the straw that broke the camels back. It’s over folks, game, set and match to the illegals and whoever owns Bush. I used to have respect for him, it’s gone. If the Senate does not step to the plate and refuse to bow to Fox, and the illegals, the Republican majority is history for a lot of years. Take notice House members, America is pissed, and if you take a dive on this issue, get your bags packed too !!!!
ChipThome on May 15, 2006 at 10:44 PM
infra172 you are disgusting and part of the problem. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you make ridiculous statements like “There is a kill all the brown people crowd”?
Demonizing people who want border security in this fashion just makes you look stupid and incapable of waging a substantive debate.
America1st on May 15, 2006 at 10:44 PM
Something tells me that Infra172 is more “libertarian” than liberal.
I can understand the President’s perspective and why he is handling the matter the way his is. I just don’t think it is going to work. I hope he proves me wrong.
GT on May 15, 2006 at 10:47 PM
When I was A teen I had A job at the local steakhouse as A busboy and make very good money for A parttime job. Today kids can’t find good parttime jobs because the illegials have taken them. “Jobs Americans arn’t doing”, I guess not, how can they when the jobs ard not there. Has Bush gone brain dead?
birdman on May 15, 2006 at 10:47 PM
After reading the comments so far, I’m glad I missed it. I only had to be disappointed here, rather than throwing something at the TV. I wonder what “group” of people they tested the speech on before he made it.
NRA4Freedom on May 15, 2006 at 10:50 PM
‘jobs Americans aren’t doing’ because business can get it done with overly cheap illegal labor. They need to go after the employers hard and all of us need to be willing to pay more to get rid of illegal labor.
Mike O on May 15, 2006 at 10:50 PM
I see the “kill all the brown people” crowd wasn’t swayed by the speech.
The race card. Never seen it played so crudely before. I’m White, and some of my best friends are Korean, Japanese, Fillipino among a host of nationalities. That doesn’t mean we want 100,000,000 more immigrants in 20 years. America would not be America any longer if that is permitted to happen. I love America, I don’t hate foreigners. A million LEGAL immigrants (current law) a year is plenty.
gmoonster on May 15, 2006 at 10:51 PM
The race card. Hey, did you steal that from Cynthia McKinney?
David Block on May 15, 2006 at 10:57 PM
Bush’s address was a huge disappointment. I must give him credit for referring the jobs illegals take as those “Americans aren’t doing” instead of “Americans won’t do”, at least he figured out that was an insult. I personally found his reference to the injured Marine to be shameless expoiltation of the Serviceman. I honor his service to my country and regret his wounds, however I felt that Bush using this persons plight smacked of “if you support the troops you’ll go along with my plan”. It didn’t tug on my heart strings, it was exploitive and transparent.
borderdweller on May 15, 2006 at 10:58 PM
Well, comments such as those made by infra172 underscore why I cringed today when I heard that HotAir opened registration. Looks like someone stepped in something unpleasant out in the yard and dragged it into the house. Wipe your shoes on the mat, people!
Anyway, the speech was a major disappointment. Most of us suspected as much before Bush’s mug appeared on our television screens. The important thing to remember is that the House hasn’t sold us down the river–at least not yet. Let’s hold off on the threats about not voting for their sake. If the House Repubs hold the line, they deserve our votes. Even if you don’t want to vote for craven senators, go to the polls and support the anti-illegal immigration House members.
Everyone send yet another round of e-mails to the White House, the Senate, and the House. I’ll be sending my concerns in the next couple of days.
jaleach on May 15, 2006 at 11:01 PM
Lame. Wimpy. Just like his dad.
roninacreage on May 15, 2006 at 11:02 PM
The thing I don’t understand is how Bush can be so tough and macho against Afghanistan and Iraq in a grand geo-political reworking the world for democracy and safty, but is a total WIMP when it comes to the millions of unmonitored illegals streaming across our southern border. It’s straining a knat and swolling a camel.
gmoonster on May 15, 2006 at 11:07 PM
Since the illegals are doing jobs Americans won’t do, I assume they will quit as soon as they become American citizens, leaving us with the same problem we apparently have now.
Clark1 on May 15, 2006 at 11:10 PM
I just hope and pray Tony Snow had nothing to do with this speech.
GT on May 15, 2006 at 11:12 PM
I am not a liberal. I am not disgusting. You are disgusting.
Anybody who puts all the Mexicans in one box is a racist. The President understands that there’s a difference between the terrorists, drug dealers, and thieves and the people who want to come here and be a positive contribution to our economy. This difference requires us to treat the two groups differently. You want to just start deporting and shooting all the Mexicans.
My guess is that you are all Yankee conservatives and have never even known a Mexican.
infra172 on May 15, 2006 at 11:28 PM
Yep. I’ve had it. The RINOs have lost my vote. No balls. None. I refuse to vote for a coward, and I refuse to vote for a traitor that puts the welfare of illegals over the welfare of natural citizens (that’s the dimmocraps domain).
Sux that the only way to take our country back is revolution, because that will never happen. Not in my lifetime. Again, I thank God I have no children.
ecamorg on May 15, 2006 at 11:29 PM
You want to just start deporting and shooting all the Mexicans.
Holy Toledo, where have you heard about anyone wanting to shoot a Mexican?
gmoonster on May 15, 2006 at 11:32 PM
The speech was very predictable and disapointing. He blew a good chance to do the right thing by simply announcing to the world that the US was now going to enforce it’s existing border and immigration laws. Tell everyone here illegally that the vacation is now over, and that they must now go home. Tell everyone that by coming here illegally makes them ineligible for employment and welfare benefits. The border would be sealed to illegal entry, but the exit door would remain open. Natural attrition and law enforcement efforts would turn this mess around in time. Most citizens support limited legal immigration, but this is a total sell out.
mcviper on May 15, 2006 at 11:35 PM
ecamorg: Don’t get depressed A lot can happen between now and the November elections. Always remember, ROCK AND ROLL FOREVER…
birdman on May 15, 2006 at 11:36 PM
Thanx birdman, but things look pretty grim.
BTW, who said they wanted to kill all the mexicans? I never saw that post.
ecamorg on May 15, 2006 at 11:46 PM
“Holy Toledo, where have you heard about anyone wanting to shoot a Mexican?”
Bill O’Reilly. What do you think militarizing the border means? Unlike you liberals, I understand the purpose of the military: to fight and win wars. They’re not police officers and they’re not border control agents. They’re funtion is to kill the enemy. Mexico and Mexicans are not our enemy. Terrorists and drug dealers are. Why is this so hard for you to understand? Is Pat Buchannan making you take stupid pills before you join his cult?
infra172 on May 15, 2006 at 11:49 PM
infra172: I know many Mexicans most of whom are illegal. They are all fine hard working people, but they are ILLEGAL, and this is WRONG. We the people here do not want to shoot the illegal Mexicans. We are rational indivduals and we only want A sound immagration policy. You Sir/Ms. do not seem to be A rational person. Therefore you must have voted for John F’n Kerry.
birdman on May 15, 2006 at 11:51 PM
You want to just start deporting and shooting all the Mexicans.
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People like you would be hilarious, if you weren’t so dangerous to this nation. Your ranting reminds me of the greenhouse gasses coming from the mouth of Cindy Sheehan. Go light a candle on your Stephen Colbert altar and spare us from your ravings.
Paul Atreides on May 16, 2006 at 12:00 AM
Infra,
Should the US impose the same immigration laws on illegals as Mexico?
GT on May 16, 2006 at 12:02 AM
Uhhh… Infra… I’m retired Navy and I spent a LOT of time on a Destroyer sitting off the Coast of California doing drug enforcement operations…
I also spent a lot of time in the Gulf searching Merchant ships for Contraband during various embargoes…
I also helped with security for various Naval Installations…
The JOB of the Military is to do whatever our Commanders tell us to do in Defending our country….
I for one am in favor of taking the 160,000 troops we have stationed in Korea, Japan, and Germany, and REALLY militarizing the border…. and put every person who comes across the border illegally in JAIL (Camp like that Arizona Sheriffs) for 60 days, THEN send them back to their country of origin.
It would stop illegal immigration cold…
But enough feeding of the Trolls…
Romeo13 on May 16, 2006 at 12:02 AM
“I know many Mexicans most of whom are illegal. They are all fine hard working people, but they are ILLEGAL, and this is WRONG”
Did you not hear the President tonight?
“First, the United States must secure its borders. This is a basic responsibility of a sovereign nation. It is also an urgent requirement of our national security. Our objective is straightforward: The border should be open to trade and lawful immigration and shut to illegal immigrants, as well as criminals, drug dealers and terrorists.”
infra172 on May 16, 2006 at 12:04 AM
infra172: “Kill all the brown people crowd”, are you smoking illegal. I think your illegal
birdman on May 16, 2006 at 12:15 AM
I’ve been a Republican all my adult life, but I’ll be looking closely at the Constitution Party now. His entire speech was a slap in the face to EVERY conservative in the country.
Good God, if the Dhimmicrats pay attention they actually have grounds for an impeachment, breaking his oath of office.
Rowane on May 16, 2006 at 1:23 AM
Someone in the House needs to start the impeachment ball rolling. We need to get rid of this lying creep at all costs. He is willing to destroy the very fabric of this country without blinking an eye. He needs to go. NOW.
msplitt on May 16, 2006 at 2:04 AM
infra172: Please crawl back into your hole and cover it up afterwards! Your ignorance and biases are showing and they’re very ugly. You’re simply upset because the grownups don’t want to play your stupid games! You should stay over at Daily Kos with the other trolls, which company will be much more to your liking.
DougW on May 16, 2006 at 2:20 AM
ditto to that
RolandHall on May 16, 2006 at 2:21 AM
my “ditto” was for msplitt… Doug… nice try. Attack the person when you have no argument on the facts? Anyone who thinks the illegal invasion of our country is over racism is a racist. You sound like McKinney. We’re not buying it anymore than we’re buying “it’s not amnesty [because I said so]” from your buddy Bush.
RolandHall on May 16, 2006 at 2:26 AM
Bryan, I’m aghast at your “Jorge Arbusto” reference. That is beneath you. Did you see what happened over at PoliPundit last night? He likes that nickname for President Bush too. Might want to check out this summary and then click to read Lorie Byrd’s entire farewell letter to PoliPundit:
http://www.spectator.org/blogger_comments.asp?BlogID=2872
And promoting the 200 million scare statistic from Heritage Foundation? Come ON. You’re in Ted Danson territory now. Might as well put on your gas mask and hunker down for Armageddon.
I respect you too much to say much more. Everyone is overheated on this issue right now. But understand, this conservative is not happy with the the plunge into toxicity that this “debate” is taking — on the Right. Up til now, you’ve added a great deal of useful commentary and insight. Don’t go over the border of sanity on me now, baby.
Salabama on May 16, 2006 at 7:17 AM
“Jobs that Americans won’t do” is true for two reasons: one, the pay sucks for most of them, and two, the “people that won’t do these jobs” think they can do better, with little or no education, or make more doing nothing, thanks to the US Government. Since the advent of the War on Poverty, the work ethic has been taken out of the equation. The result is the low end of the totem pole is constantly looking for a handout instead of a job offer. With little or no education, this part of America still thinks the world owes them a living, and a good one, without working for it. Mexicans at least work, and show up on time every day. That is the part “Americans won’t do”. Maybe we could make a deal with Presidente Fox: send our bottom 10% of the population to Mexico for their bottom 10%.
clyde on May 16, 2006 at 7:27 AM
I respectfully differ with ‘Salabama.’
The only people who have “overheated” the immigration issue with tiresome rhetoric are those who makes their living in the Beltway: most of Congress (especially the Senate) and the President. And, of course, the illegal alien Hispanic lobbies that engineered the recent boycotts, walkouts and protests.
That an influx of millions of poor, non-English-speaking people (we are concerned not only with Hispanics!) and their refusal or inability to accept and adapt to American culture will forever alter the face of this country is not a ‘scare statistic’; it is already happening.
The numbers are indeed staggering.
ForYourEdification on May 16, 2006 at 8:07 AM
The accusation by infra172 is a perfect example of why the Republicans have become the wimps they are. The liberals have learned that the MSM goes gaga whenever race is infused into an issue, deserved or not.
Few RINO’s have the guts to stand up to it, so avoidance becomes their only weapon. They’ve fallen into the PC trap as much as any university president.
right as rain man on May 16, 2006 at 8:13 AM
Did anyone notice the number of times he mentioned extra funding to solve the problem. Typical democrat/liberal knee jerk mentality. Just throw money at it. And we know Bush is a closet liberal.
LZVandy on May 16, 2006 at 8:29 AM
“I see the “kill all the brown people” crowd wasn’t swayed by the speech.”
My husband happens to be one of the “brown people” and he and I both are disgusted over the lack of security over the border. He doesn’t trust the illegals, and he doesn’t want me to go to certain parts of town alone because of all of the Mexicans. I could go on and on about how my husband feels about this, just to show it’s not about “kill all of the brown people.”
StephC on May 16, 2006 at 10:12 AM
My wife is also a legal immigrant – Taiwan in her case. We’re both disgusted at this transparent amnesty program. The ‘Smart Fence’ proposed isn’t a barrier, it’s just a way to count ‘em as they cross. Put up a *real* fence and impose *real* sanctions on employers. There’s no need to deport people. Turn off the jobs and welfare and they’ll go home themeselves. After a few years we can take a look at ‘a path to citizenship’. But that path *must* start in their home country. We must not reward criminal behaviour – that’s how we got Congress.
KCSteve on May 16, 2006 at 10:23 AM
I’m not going over the border of sanity, Salabama. But the fact is that the Hagel-Martinez bill is a very destructive bill. The low estimate for the number of legal immigrants it would allow in is around 80,000,000 in 20 years. That’s in addition to the 10,000,000 or so it would effectively amnesty. Even if the actual number turns out to be half the low estimate, you’re still allowing around 40,000,000 to enter and become citizens in 20 years time. That’s just too many, too fast.
I’m very pro-immigrant as you can see from the opening sentence of this post. But we have to have immigration in an orderly way and we have to have security at the border. The Senate bill that the president supports gives us neither. Most of the rest of his speech was symbolism. There were good parts, such as beefing up the Border Patrol and improving the border tech across the board, but the bad parts–the guest worker program and so forth–will encourage more illegal immigration and thereby overwhelm the good parts.
Sometimes good people are just wrong, even dangerously so, and the open borders folks are just dangerously wrong on this issue.
Bryan on May 16, 2006 at 10:33 AM
No one, on the right side of this at least, wants anything to do with killing anyone. Calling someone part of the “kill all the brown people crowd” is just an effort on the part of the MSM to vilify those us who feel that this CRIMINAL invasion has to stop.
el Presidente Jorge Arbusto swore to protect us against all enemies. How are criminals crossing our borders not enemies and therefore not something to be concerned about?
Dread Pirate Roberts VI on May 16, 2006 at 10:36 AM
Of all the comments here, Clark has THE comment…
“Since the illegals are doing jobs Americans won’t do, I assume they will quit as soon as they become American citizens, leaving us with the same problem we apparently have now.”
Every one of those “new voters” is a democrat vote. ONLY a total idiot would even CONSIDER allowing someone who BROKE THE LAW to come here, to become a VOTER in this Country. We don’t let felons vote, why would we let these people vote, even if some stupid politician managed to turn them into a “citizen”???
And add to that Clark’s perfect insight above, and it makes Bush look like the perfect fool he seems to quickly be turning into.
NRA4Freedom on May 16, 2006 at 10:55 AM
As a 10-year veteran of the Army I can tell you all that we do in fact patrol borders and we do also participate in missions that are typically reserved for law enforcement.
When I was stationed in Germany in the late 80′s one of our yearly deployments was to pull guard duty on the border in a town called Fulda. We were trained for the mission and fully capable of executing our orders uncluding assisting defectors and others crossing the border from east to west.
While in Colorado we had units deployed for drug interdiction along the U.S southern border and in other areas looking for crops and mules.
The statements made that this kind of action is unprecedented, unheard of, or somehow outside the scope of the military is ridiculous. We have, we do, we should. Period.
I dare any supporter of open borders to gather 11,000,000 U.S citizens at the Mexican border and cross. See if Fox calls it ‘Immigration’ or ‘Invasion’. Try it on the Canadian border as well. To say that simply wanting to ensure our laws are obeyed, our people protected, and to keep our economy strong is racist is just another example of the opposition being bankrupt of ideas and unwilling to truly debate the issue. When you have no true substance to add to a discussion you never fail to fall back on name calling. Bravo.
100,000,000+ immigrants in 20 years?
Thus fell Rome.
Grunt2Jag on May 16, 2006 at 2:27 PM
In an era of instant coffee and microwave ovens we will settle for no less than instant solutions to every situation. The instant deportation of 20,000,000 illigals would require a police state to enforce and the seal the borders would only be accomplished by setting up machine guns at the border.
Perhaps the “president has wimped out crowd” above can spell out a better plan other than a police state.
I feel that the id card documentation of the undocumented illegal immigrants will allow us to at least bring the illegals into the sunlight so we can deal with them. The enforcement of “no Card no employment” will dry up the attraction for so many to risk their lives in charging the border.
The President asked for money to reimburse the states for the use of the National Guard. Remember that the Governors have control of their use. The border states Governors can deploy them as they wish but then the border states would foot the bill. Unless marshall law is declaried the president can NOT simply send the troops to the border.
As I see it, the Guard will be slowing the rush of those intent on illegaly crossing our borders and the id card/ employer sanctions will decrease the attraction.
I don’t believe in amnesty but I also don’t believe mass enforced deportation would work without bloodshed. At least with doumentation of the now undocumented illeagals we would know where they are and allow them to share one of our benefits of citizenship…..TAXATION.
Bush was right. Now let’s see what congress does.
trainguy on May 16, 2006 at 3:21 PM
Well Bryan, you called George Bush “the president” this time, and consequently I was able to calmly proceed and consider your thoughts. But then you also implied indirectly that the president is one of those ‘open borders folks.’ Is that what you’re saying… really?
Salabama on May 16, 2006 at 4:28 PM
Trainguy… you do realize that if you give these ID cards to all the Immigrants… you have to give them to normal citizens as well? Or how legaly can an employer ask for one under equal protection? And you have to set up a Government entity to check all backgrounds… and documentation for everyone? Can you say HUGE invasion of the privacy rights of Americans by the Federal Government?
So, we’re right back to a national ID card debate. People are up in arms over the POSSIBILITY that the NSA was keeping track of calls by phone number… this will give a database of ALL workers in the US to the Federal Government.
Tie this in with Homeland Secs and FEMAs ISO 700 and ISO 800 plans for a National clearing house for First Responders, which WILL be tied, by design to the FBI and other Police Databases…
See the picture here which is evolving?
The Feds are using the EXCUSE of not being able to control the border to create a climate of fear, which will allow them to create a National Database of all adults…
Romeo13 on May 16, 2006 at 6:27 PM
When Bush threw his support to Arlen Specter’s Senate re-election against a credible conservative Republican opponent, I assumed the numbers showed only Specter could win in his State and the GOP wanted to preserve a GOP seat so much they would even take a super-RINO who might not live out his term.
Now, as I see Specter lending his mighty position to the Bush citizenship give-away, and help bring down the Secure-the-borders-first proposal, I understand the importance the White House gave to retaining him.
I kick myself for falling for the White House explanation of rescuing Specter. Specter was a hard pill to swallow, but I ate it like a good kid. Fool me once.
entagor on May 17, 2006 at 7:09 AM
The Bush ID card is for illegals willing to declare themselves illegal. Many illegals working in the US have fake ID and real drivers licenses based upon fake ID. How do you identify them if they don’t volunteer?
To identify illegals with such ID, you have to challenge citizens to prove who they are. After all, these illegals have ID showing they are citizens.
Right now there is no ‘national database’. Local entities maintain birth and death records. Computerized records are not shared. Social Security and the IRS have data based on pension and earnings filings. However, their data is weak and filled with misused, duplicate, fraudulent social security numbers thanks to our illegal friends. Their files do not prove identity, or citizenship. You would have to go back to the source, local records, and even do investigations of hospital, school, and neighbors to weed out the fakers.
Many illegals may accept the temporary worker ID. But if they have to go back to Mexico under the new terms, there will be a moment of decision. These people live in the here and now. Their decisions are for themselves, not us, based on their own sense of survival. The Bush ID will not end the shadow nation.
Theoretically a national ID card database would end the problem, but there would have to be a massive investigative effort like I described to verify who the real citizens are. Otherwise, a national ID card system would also be full of duplicates, fakes and frauds.
entagor on May 17, 2006 at 9:07 AM