Bush soothes Fox over National Guard border plan
posted at 9:19 pm on May 14, 2006 by Allahpundit
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This is what strong leaders do. They make tough decisions … and then immediately undermine them.
“The president made clear that the United States considers Mexico a friend and that what is being considered is not militarization of the border, but support of border patrol capabilities on a temporary basis by National Guard personnel,” White House spokeswoman Maria Tamburri said, describing a telephone conversation between Bush and his Mexican counterpart.
Fox “reached out” to Bush on Sunday to relay his concerns about the plan that is under consideration, Tamburri said.
His “concerns” presumably being that only a quarter million might get through this year instead of the usual half. More tender assurances:
Bush assured Fox that any military support would be administrative and logistical and would come from the National Guard and not the Army, according to a news release from Fox’s office.
He hasn’t even announced the plan yet and he’s apologizing for it. To a foreign government that not only won’t help solve the problem on their end, but actually exacerbates it.
If we find out down the line that DHS is sharing info with Mexico about the position of National Guard troops in the field, it’ll be impeachment time. No joke.
Update: Michelle’s working on a mega-post re: troops on the border which should be up early in the a.m. In the meantime, here’s Rep. Charlie Norwood explaining why Bush’s proposal is little more than an empty gesture.
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I support controlling the border, but I don’t support using the N.G. or army in any way except a temporary, stopgap measure.
The Border Patrol needs more men and funds. Give it to them. They control borders better then any state or federal agency because that is their job.
The N.G. and army are primarily designed to fight our nation’s wars. Any thing else is a distraction from that. In addition, we are in a shooting war right now, with Iran and North Korea as potential future foes.
As I said, I support controlling the border, but controlling these rogue nations is more important. If we put thousands of troops on our borders, who will we send if a hotspot overseas flares up? It won’t be the border patrol.
If we need a fence, fine. Let’s build it. If we need to enforce the current immigration laws, fine, let’s do it. If that means angering Mexico, fine.
But make no doubt about it, every military unit we place on our border is one that can no longer be used to secure us from overseas threats.
EFG on May 14, 2006 at 9:34 PM
Using the N.G. to secure the border will not solve our problem. It takes very little political risk or guts to deploy them. Why? Because they will only be there temporarily. The government is not going to permanently station the thousands of troops on the border that we would need.
They will put them on the border, get some political accolades for “controlling our borders,” and as soon as this issue fades from the front burner, they will withdraw these troops and we will be right back in the same situation.
This needs to be done right. That means beefing up the Border Patrol with increased funding and personnel. Oftentimes we complain because it is so difficult to fire government workers because of civil-service job protection. Heck, try to fire a teacher, no matter how incompetent. That can also work to our benefit. If you double the size of the border patrol, and they are now part of the Border Patrol union, you will find it much harder to reduce their presence and effectiveness, whereas the National Guard can be demobilized and withdrawn with ease.
EFG on May 14, 2006 at 9:43 PM
Well, maybe I’m the eternal optimist here, but why couldn’t the plan be to put the NG there until the wall/fence/forcefield is built, then just keep the peace with Border Patrol?
Doc56 on May 14, 2006 at 9:45 PM
Ha! Allah, great minds think alike! … From my earlier post… “Even if Bush puts troops on the border, it’s what he orders them to do that is important. Will they cover the full 2,000 mile border? Will he order them to secure small parts of the border, and then notify the Mexican government of their position, allowing illegals and terrorists to simply walk around them?“
msplitt on May 14, 2006 at 9:49 PM
Bush is way past the impeachment stage… quickly approaching the Treason stage. Don’t forget, it’s not only Mexicans crossing the border. It’s terrorists, and Bush knows it. As I’ve said a gazillion times before, it’s inconceivable that Islamic nutjobs haven’t taken advantage of the border situation and Bush’s policy. And it’s also inconceivable that Bush doesn’t know it. And yet he fights to keep the border open anyway. Someone please explain to me why that isn’t the CONSTITUTIONAL definition of Treason.
msplitt on May 14, 2006 at 9:58 PM
This announcement about using the National Guard is simply some window dressing in an attempt to win back support from conservatives. I’m not going for it. He’s already watering it down. There would be some initial hooplah and publicity about how tough we got, then, after a little time passed, the Guard would quietly disappear.
Getting tough means only one thing; actually stopping the flow of illegals by means of a physical barrier.
right as rain man on May 14, 2006 at 9:58 PM
You know, it’s stuff like this that really worries me. Here I am at a rather youthful 35 years old wondering what happened to the country I remember from my childhood. I shouldn’t be having these thoughts until I’m a crusty old codger chasing kids off my lawn.
Who gives a f*** what Mexico thinks? I sure as hell don’t! Why is the leader of the free world kissing Vincente Fox’s a**? Why are senators so quick to cave in to the hordes sweeping up from the south? I’ve never seen a bigger bunch of craven fools.
Well, that’s democracy for you. Because that’s really what the problem is. The moment the United States slipped the bonds of republicanism and moved towards a system that handed out the right to vote to any yahoo on two feet put us on a path to this day. And once you’ve got yahoos who’ve figured out that they can get a piece of the public dole by shrieking louder than the other fella, along with the politicians willing to pander to such segments of the populace, it’s only a matter of time before the dictatorship takes power. It’s the only way to hold the balkanized factions together, you see.
The Founding Fathers knew their history, knew what democracy did to the old Greek states and virtually everywhere else mob rule raised its ugly head, and they tried hard to prevent the same from happening here. Obviously, they failed. Oh well, off to the store to buy more ammunition.
jaleach on May 14, 2006 at 10:13 PM
I agree with rain man, I think its all just a stunt to get some support back. The public at large is fickle and has a short memory. Once the heat on this issue fades the N.G. will disappear.
The president has certainly painted himself into a corner recently. He cant do anything about Iran or N. Korea because of all the stink that was raised and is still going on about Iraq. He cant do anything about immigration because if he gets harsh and puts up a fence all the Latinos will raise hell. But he cant sit back and do nothing because all of us real Americans will raise hell.
Thats the problem with politics as a whole, if you support the wishes of one group you alienate another group.
So IMHO, the only thing to do is for the president to spontaneously sprout a backbone and tell Presidente Fox to suck it and mind his own business. Then go after Chavez and sieze Citgos assets for terroristic threats. Then tell Iran that if they dont stop uranium enrichment NOW we will bomb them. And finally, tell all the liberal actor idiots if they dont like the way the country is being run to run for office and see if they can do better. Oops, I forgot, most of them are high school dropouts.
the observer on May 14, 2006 at 10:22 PM
The president has exactly one correct move tomorrow night. Exactly as Doc56 said above: “The Guard will be on the border until the 2,000 mile fence is finished. And construction of the fence began today.”
Otherwise, the anti-illegal-alien portion of the “base” is gone.
climacus on May 14, 2006 at 10:25 PM
jaleach - check this out…
http://usawakeup.org
5-6 min flash animation of the stages every civilization goes through before collapsing under its own weight. Very interesting.
I dont recognize my own country anymore either. Where have all the heroes gone? Where has the patriotism and love for the country gone? Where is ‘give me Libertty or give me death’? Where are the heores that said “I regret that I have but one life to give for my country”?
the observer on May 14, 2006 at 10:29 PM
If Democrats really wanted an issue with which to impeach Bush, this immigration mess is it. Once hearings started, God only knows what criminal acts would be uncovered on the administratin’s end. Conspiring with a foreign government to subvert our border integrity, sharing intelligence on US citizens with a foreign government, and who knows what else. But leave it to idiot Democrats to keep chasing their tails on NSA phone surveillance and Iraq, both issues the American people support. The overwhelming majority of Americans are strongly opposed to Bush on immigration. I’d give the Dems a 60-40 shot at impeaching Bush, with the help of more than a few Republicans.
msplitt on May 14, 2006 at 10:48 PM
The Observer,
Thanks a ton for the link. I bookmarked the site after watching the two videos–I’ll read the articles later on. It’s tough to watch those videos and maintain composure. We’re truly screwed, the screwing happened long before we were born, and it’s unlikely to stop anytime soon. The most we can hope for is a few measures that could slow the decline (like putting a fence on the borders).
If you want to see an interesting film about the effects a dirty bomb could have on the West, try and find “Dirty War.” It’s an HBO flick that’s out on DVD showing the lead up to and the resulting horrors of a radiation bomb detonated in London. Chilling stuff and surprisingly devoid of left-wing claptrap.
I linked through to your blog. It figures you’re in Texas. ;)
jaleach on May 14, 2006 at 11:02 PM
Doc56 said:
“Well, maybe I’m the eternal optimist here, but why couldn’t the plan be to put the NG there until the wall/fence/forcefield is built, then just keep the peace with Border Patrol?”
Hello Doc56.
You are right. That could happen. If indeed that really was the plan Bush had, I suppose I could support that. However, I doubt that is his plan. I don’t have any links or anything for this position, but it is my gut feeling.
Don’t get down on yourself for being an optimist either. We need optimists.
“The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” George Bernard Shaw
EFG on May 14, 2006 at 11:09 PM
Thanks jleach, Ill check out your suggestions as well. If you get bored, flip through the archives on my blog. I get on some pretty entertaining rants on occasion.
the observer on May 14, 2006 at 11:17 PM
http://usawakeup.org
Just watched it. Powerful, but now I feel like crap.
msplitt on May 14, 2006 at 11:23 PM
Let’s see what GWB says tomorrow night. Will there still be a “catch and release” policy, or are we going to build some detention camps? The devil is in the details.
You had better soothe US, Mr. President, or suffer the consequenses in November.
dman on May 14, 2006 at 11:29 PM
The Observer,
I’ve read a couple of your blog posts already. Good stuff, especially the stats on illegal immigration. I think I mentioned secession on a Hot Air thread a few days ago. Not a bad idea, sad to say. This time around the seceding states will constitute the old Confederacy along with the Midwest (Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, N. and S. Dakota, Montana, Wyoming, Utah, hopefully Colorado, and Idaho). Maybe we can make Denver the national capital.
This time around, one of the main reasons for secession would be to resist the government’s attempt to impose a slave labor class/system on the populace (illegal immigrants). A more delicious irony doesn’t exist in all of human history.
It probably sounds crazy to a lot of people to mention secession, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see it happen if things keep going south.
jaleach on May 14, 2006 at 11:32 PM
Yea I was pretty shocked the first time I saw it msplitt.
I am very worried for my country. If most civilizations last about 200 years we’re already on borrowed time.
the observer on May 14, 2006 at 11:34 PM
dman,
Can you imagine the hue and cry over detention camps? Look what happened to Michelle when she released her book about internment. The kooks went nuts. Maybe a detention camp for employers who hire illegals?
jaleach on May 14, 2006 at 11:35 PM
How true jaleach. Texas once was an independent Republic, wouldnt it be comforting if it still was?
the observer on May 14, 2006 at 11:38 PM
I agree it should be temporary. Just enough to give us time to mine this side of the Rio Grande.
Ropera on May 14, 2006 at 11:41 PM
jaleach on May 14, 2006 at 11:32 PM
Not that I disagree, I’d love to see it, but what if Bush took Lincoln’s stance. The full weight and force of the US military (the Union) against some locals like me? I have a 25 cal semi-automatic handgun next to my bed and a dbl barrel 12 gauge for dove hunting.
I’m so pissed off at Bush right now, I’d probably fight anyway. What the hell.
msplitt, Denver, CO Future capital of the world!!
msplitt on May 14, 2006 at 11:42 PM
The observer,
Hell yeah! You’d see all these entry points for illegal aliens from California, Arizona, New Mexico–and then nothing at the Texas line.
I’m going to support cloning and suggest that we do our best to bring back those fine gentlemen from the Alamo. And then clone them a few million times.
jaleach on May 14, 2006 at 11:57 PM
msplitt,
Yep, we very well might go down in flames. If the United States keeps going down its present path, however, I’d rather go down fighting then live in its burnt out shell.
jaleach on May 15, 2006 at 12:00 AM
Yea jaleach! It sure would make the argument a lot easier if we had a closed border state that they could compare to the other adjacent states with open borders.
the observer on May 15, 2006 at 12:26 AM
This is one issue that has me angry as he– at Bush.
I stayed with him all through the fiasco of trying to put
Harriet Myers on the Supreme Coutr. Backed all his work on
the war on terror.
But now IM looking at myself as a conservative rather than
a Republican.
It looks Like the Republicans left me like the Democrats
left R. Regan.
Sad but true…. *sigh*
Tom N on May 15, 2006 at 12:47 AM
I told the RNC that my donations would resume when/if the border got under control. It’s starting to look as though that time may be further off than I had hoped. Any ideas what I should do with the extra $s?
gmoonster on May 15, 2006 at 1:23 AM
I just filled out a questionairre from my Republican Senator. At the end of the form was the opporunity to donate to his campaign fund. I scrawled at the bottom, “no more donations until the borders are closed and the immigrations laws enforced”. I watched the Wake up video — depressing. I am still optimistically hopeful — more so than I was before GWB, but we gotta get this border situation stabilized. I’m already carrying more than my load of freeloaders and other “dependents” through my tax dollars. I’m still lookig for logic in Bush’s stance on the border - I can’t for the life of me see it.
CountryDoc on May 15, 2006 at 1:55 AM
Well, it is time for a third party in those congressional districts where the current House plan is not supported without any amnesty.
Jhn1 on May 15, 2006 at 3:57 AM
I just had an incredible idea!
How about Tom Tancredo gives the rebuttal to El Presidente Jorge Arbusto’s speech? A no-loser for the Dems. They don’t have to go on record for anything before the polls shake out and they get to watch the Republican base savage “their” (actually Mexico’s ) president.
Jhn1 on May 15, 2006 at 4:03 AM
I have an idea that would work. Illegals come here to work, right? OK, give them a job. Every illegal that is caught should be sent to the border and made to help build the fence in lieu of a jail term. Once it’s finished, put them on the other side. We get a fence, they get work, hey, everybody wins.
clyde on May 15, 2006 at 6:26 AM
I’m so sick of Bush kissing his hombre Vincente’s ass. He is blatanly disregarding the popular will of the American people. I don’t know what we need……..should we stage massive anti-illegal immigartion protests? Massive build a wall protest? How about a damn revolution? These politicians are so far gone they’ve completely lost touch with my America and your America. The hell with either party. We need fresh faces, fresh ideas and most of all we need SOME BALLS IN GOVERNMENT.
darwin on May 15, 2006 at 8:56 AM
I just saw a blurb on Fox News that showed a “proposed fence” plan …..hope it’s for real. The president is scheduled to visit the border on Thursday; if he’s smart he’ll confirm the fence plan then tell Vicente Fox to f*** off!
right as rain man on May 15, 2006 at 9:20 AM
Yeah………proposed fence. Probably a 4 ft chain link contracted to one of his hombre’s Vincente’s buddies. You know, just so it looks like he’s doing something. Any national guard troops will probably be stationed 150 miles from the border with orders to play spades all day. BTW, I think the governor of Arizona is related to el hombre Vincente. She just shoots down any proposal to protect the border there. Arizona sooon to become Arimexo. What a joke.
darwin on May 15, 2006 at 9:43 AM
One thing never mentioned when people say “it is impossible to deport 12,000,000 illegal immigrants” is the very act of publicly arresting illegals scares hell out of them. And forces them to think about staying. If the US government raided ONE place per city per month, and televised the arrest of both illegal workers AND company officers that hired them, then a large disappearing act might begin. With the illegals paying their own way.
clyde on May 15, 2006 at 9:56 AM
Approximately 300 million people in the US. Approximately 12-15 million illegals with 15 million more soon to come across to join their hombre’s as soon as George grants them “favored” american status. All I can say is REVOLT AND REBEL. As the left is so fond of saying…….”dissent is patriotic”. Whiny bastards. Well…I dissent. REVOLT AND REBEL.
darwin on May 15, 2006 at 10:19 AM
Thats true Clyde, we had some raids here in Houston a few weeks ago. It really shook them up! It was all over the news, they arested several management people from this one company and rounded up the Illegals. Of course the media spun it and had the tearful relatives (read common law wives) saying “they just came here for an opportunity to work, they arent criminals. Our daughter wasnt able to be picked up from school and we dont know what to do now.” In Spanish of course. Never heard much else about what happened though, im sure it was the typical catch and release.
the observer on May 15, 2006 at 10:36 AM
Simple question to everyone:
Does George Bush’s open border policy aid our enemy, terrorists wishing to gain access to our cities.
Yes or No
msplitt on May 15, 2006 at 10:58 AM
I’ve been National Guard for over 17 years now. In the last three years, between all the deployments, I’ve been home less than 8 months. Now, they wish to mobilize us for more duty, and waste our time in a sham political stunt? Most of the guard in my state has returned recently from the Middle East, and we still have the burden of typical duties (fire fighting, civil disturbance duty, etc) and they wish to uproot our lives to send us down for “administrative support”? That’s a waste of both taxpayer money and our time.
Give us a meaningful mission, actually protecting our borders, and I’ll be the first to volunteer. Keep using us for a press photo-op and I’ll be the first to turn in my retirement packet!
RustMouse on May 15, 2006 at 11:03 AM
Thanks for your service RustMouse. Anyone returning from Iraq should be the last to be put on the border. But I agree with you. It’s a sham, a political stunt. Anything to buy time so he can continue to sell this country out. I used to really believe in Bush with his effort in fighting nutbag islamists. Now I think the only reason he’s doing it is to protect his cronies. Something smells fishy with this border thing. His inaction has been way too blatant. Way too cozy with el hombre Vincente too.
msplitt: of course it aids our enemies. what a joke this has become. He’s in someone’s pocket and it’s getting clearer all the time.
darwin on May 15, 2006 at 11:11 AM
RustMouse on May 15, 2006 at 11:03 AM
Amen brother. It’s all or nothing. Sending the military to the border, and then tying their hands behind their back. It’s a disgusting joke. Let them patrol the border. Let them fire warning shots at approaching mexicans and terrorists trying to cross. If they don’t stop, arrest them. If they resist, do what soldiers are trained to do with a hostile force.
msplitt on May 15, 2006 at 11:13 AM
darwin
So if George Bush is knowingly aiding our enemies, and fights at every step to continue to aid our enemies, what does that mean? Where do we go from here?
msplitt on May 15, 2006 at 11:17 AM
See, you can’t separate terrorists from Mexicans when talking about border crossings. If Bush fights to keep Mexicans streaming across the border, he is knowingly fighting to keep the border open for terrorists. Our border is not equipped with “Muslim detectors”, allowing only Mexicans to pass and zapping terrorists.
msplitt on May 15, 2006 at 11:28 AM
Methinks it means he’s been very successful in pulling the wool over our eyes and telling us what we want to hear. Only now it’s gotten to the point where people are starting to smell something rotten. All we can do at this point is write the white house, our senators and representative and bitch like hell. I know I have. Are the American people pissed off enough to stage massive protests? Will they miss a day of work to show how they really feel? You wanna shut down the economy? Let your average joe and jane decide not to come in for a day.
darwin on May 15, 2006 at 11:55 AM
msplitt:
You hit it right on the head there. What you said above is what so many simply refuse to understand when addressing terrorism in this country.
Cary on May 15, 2006 at 11:55 AM
Yep, I was actually banned from Red State, a Bush a** kissing site where you can’t speak ill of our President. I asked why isn’t this Treason, or at least an impeachable offense, taking an oath to enforce the laws of our country, then refusing to do so. I was kicked out and told to go post on DKos.
A lot of people talk about the border in terms of “security issues” and “possible terrorism” but do not want to hear the specifics, which are terrorists have already crossed the border and are now living in our cities waiting to strike. And it’s inconceivable Bush doesn’t know this.
msplitt on May 15, 2006 at 12:26 PM
So, it begs the question. Has the Bush administration allowed some type of “acceptable” number of terrorists to enter our country from Mexico. If the answer is no, then logic would say Bush would have already sealed the border 100% with troops. By leaving it open, he must have made the decision that “some” terrorist infiltration is “acceptable”.
msplitt on May 15, 2006 at 12:32 PM
Vincente Fox telephoned our President to express his ‘concerns’ about the National Guard and what did Bush do? He reassured el Presidente Fox instead of America’s citizens!
Even before he delivered his speech, allegedly to protect our southern border, Bush assured Mexico he really doesn’t mean it, and will thus allow Vicente Fox to continue to shuffle Mexico’s poor across the border and onto the backs of taxpaying Americans.
I sincerely hope that America’s people do not succumb to this latest political ploy designed only to sustain and continue the invasion of our nation.
ForYourEdification on May 15, 2006 at 12:48 PM
msplitt’s experience at the Red State site is an example of why the Republicans are in danger of losing the majority. Apparently we’re supposed to swallow any malarky they feed us, touch the “R” on our nice new touch screen voting machines every election, and shut up.
Funny, I expected less spending, more conservative judges, and an administration mentality that didn’t appear to accuse me of bigotry for wanting secure borders.
right as rain man on May 15, 2006 at 12:52 PM
to pay for the wall- Fine each illegal invader alien $1,000. They all paid more to sneak in. 12 million x 1,000 = 12 billion. Divided by 1,951 mile Mexican border equals more than 6 million dollars a mile to build a fence and secure our border. If they claim they cannot pay- have them build it.
All so called anchor babies born to Mexicans in the U.S. are also Mexican citizens and so can be deported along with their parent/s.
All Mexicans legalized as Americans can vote in Mexican elections and American elections. So they get to vote twice.
Mexican constitution preserves Mexican culture and Mexicans only can serve in the legislature and many jobs. So it is a very racist and nationalistic constitution.
island on May 15, 2006 at 1:00 PM
Mr. Norwood said:
“But there’s another troop formula, a la Janet Napolitano, designed to win public opinion points without really changing anything, to hoodwink the House into going along with the Senate’s grotesque amnesty plan, and to leave the southern border open to new waves of illegal aliens”
He’s right about that amnesty plan being “grotesque” and prior to the above portion of the article he outlined how troops on the border could effectively stop illegal immigration without having to enact new laws. So, the President has a choice between doing the right thing or appeasing Mexico, some voters and, sadly, many politicians. I fear he will go all Neville Chamberlain on us and choose appeasement.
Bellicose Muse on May 15, 2006 at 1:16 PM
Thanks for re-opening registration.
I think President Bush would do better to soothe the conservative base of his electorate.
If something isn’t done about the illegal alien problem then we can all bid good-bye to our way of life.
The President and the congress-critters have a DUTY and an OBLIGATION to protect and defend the U.S. and the constitution of the same, if they can’t get it together and do so then they deserve a pinkslip from the American people.
Duty, Honor, Country
(in that order)
Rowane
Rowane on May 15, 2006 at 1:23 PM
Let’s face it folks, other than the abortion issue, there is absolutely nothing which differentiates the GOP from the Dems. I never thought I’d say that, but sadly enough, it’s true.
Like Rain Man, I too expected less spending, more conservative judges, and all of the other issues I used to think Conservatives stood for to take priority. 6 years ago, with the Senate, House and White House finally under GOP management, I stupidly made the assumption that our goals would finally be achieved. You know, things like smaller government, reduced government spending, social security reform, lower taxes, secure borders, etc. Other than the Bush tax relief leglislation, our reward for voting GOP has been increased spending, massive illegal immigration, more and more layers of government, no social security reform and conservative judicial nominees abandoned under the threat of Democratic filibuster. What we have here are a bunch of spineless, gutless, finger-in-the wind RINO’s absolutely terrified to stand up for their convictions.
Now, we have a President and Congress letting a corrupt Mexican government influence our border and immigration policies. You gotta be kidding.
I hate to admit it, but, if Nancy Pelosi stood up tonight and said effective tomorrow, every illegal immigrant will be arrested and deported and all of our existing immigration laws would be enforced, she’d have my vote.
dhunters on May 15, 2006 at 1:43 PM
It isn’t just Bush procrastinating about the border. It seems to be the ENTIRE CONGRESS with the exception of a brave few. They’re soooooooo far removed from the American populace and seem so enchanted with power they’re literally disregarding what the vast majority of the American people have demanded.
darwin on May 15, 2006 at 1:57 PM
There is some legitimate concern about how deportation, if successful, would affect our economy in terms of undermining housing prices (immigrants buy up the old housing stock enabling the sellers to buy newer houses, etc.) Also, what happens to people who have been here for decades and have nowhere to live in Mexico?
I favor curtailing immigration completely except for humanitarian reasons — victims of genocide, for example. We are already a crowded country and running out of natural resources. We have opened up our country to so many diverse populations and cultures and religions that we are effectively Balkanized. We are threatened by old diseases again and new exotic diseases from around the globe. Plus, after five years, the elderly chain-migration family members get to tap into Medicare and Social Security. No wonder those programs are headed for bankruptcy.
I once figured that if we descended into a Banana Republic that our military might stage a coup and return us to freedom once they cleaned up our laws. Sadly, I have cousins who attended West Point and I discovered that they are anti-war and PC fools. That was truly disheartening.
Re: Secession — It may come to that and since the Left is anti-war, would they mobilize and fight to keep the Union? Not likely. Don’t forget that Alberta is a province with a young, more conservative population who dislike the liberals who run things from Ottawa. They would be natural allies and they have oil and other natural resources.
Meanwhile, write your letters to the editor and call your representatives — keep pushing back at the Left. They aren’t used to taking criticism. Speaking bluntly can be very effective. We need to be on the offensive to keep them on the defensive.
Margaret McC on May 15, 2006 at 2:27 PM
This is a very, very difficult situation for GOP voters. Under NO circumstances can the war be handed over to Democrats in 2008 (and not even partially now in November). I see no way to avoid a schism in the party over this “immigration” debacle, yet: wouldn’t it be ironic if we deliver the Dems - and thus al-Qaeda - their dearest dream next election day?
Halley on May 15, 2006 at 2:46 PM
I can’t even begin to say how angry this makes me. Who does President Bush represent the American People or Vicente Fox? Unbelieveable!
calnevari on May 15, 2006 at 2:55 PM
Well, I think it’s pretty evident the Prez has an agenda and it sure as hell doesn’t include us, the American people. You have him calling the MinuteMen vigilantes, the Arizona governor doing everything in her power to thwart attempts to control that border, the Border Patrol instructed to tip off the mexican authorities on where the MinuteMen are, releasing illegals, Schwarzenegger says we shouldn’t use the military……….Hmmmmmmmmmm.
So whatcha think? We’re all standing in crap up to our eyeballs from these lying politicians…….and I mean all of them except for the brave few.
It just plain smells like a rat. Don’t know what else to say.
darwin on May 15, 2006 at 3:03 PM
True Margaret, since the left is anti-war and dislikes us conservatives they would probably be glad to see us go. At least until the country went bankrupt because of all the social services that no one would pay for.
A few things to think about if it came to fighting to keep the Union.
Liberals are typically small in stature and easily thrown about. This is from their diet of tofu and sprouts.
Being anti-gun, most of them would have to fight with protest signs and folk singing.
Pretty easy fodder for a couple of red-blodded, cute animal meat-eating, fur-wearing, gun-toting, family-loving, tougher than boot-leather guys from Texas.
the observer on May 15, 2006 at 3:16 PM
El Presidente Jorge Booosh, Presidente De Estados Unitos De Mexico………
You all must understand that since King Jorge Booosh became presidente, some of our laws were changed behind closed doors. Before Jorge can enforce any of our laws, specifically our border laws, he must first confer with King Fox. King Fox has total authority in all aspects of our borders. King Jorge, rightly aplogized to King Fox for talking about depolying some Gaurd troops on the border. He did not check with King Fox first. Our beloved Lordship and King assured King Fox that his subjects (also called tax payers) will REPENT and stop complaining about the rightful and real citizens that cross our borders from Mexico. Hail to our King, Senor Jorge Booosh. I bow and honor him so dearly, we are not worthy of his great leadership.
A loyal and faithful Subject
SparkyFD on May 15, 2006 at 3:40 PM
I am so dismayed by our elected officials response to this issue. It seems it would be so easy to take care of.
1. REALLY secure our borders…national guard on duty while barrier is being put in place along the entire length of the border with Mexico.
2. Stiff penalties for business who hire illegal alien workers.
3. Once the first two were in place the third issue of what to do with the illegal immigrants in this country would be taken care of. No job, no papers, no services and they would all be traveling the other way…
ProudPatriot on May 15, 2006 at 4:51 PM