Separate but equal: Swedish Muslim edition

posted at 10:44 am on April 28, 2006 by Allahpundit

As usual nowadays, it’s the minority group that’s in favor of the idea and the majority that’s opposed.

The Swedish Muslim Association, which represents around 70,000 Muslims in Sweden, has sent a letter to all Sweden’s main political parties suggesting a number of reforms, SVT’s Rapport programme reported.

The proposals include allowing imams into state (public) schools to give Muslim children separate lessons in Islam and their parents’ native languages. The letter also said that boys and girls should have separate swimming lessons and that divorces between Muslims should be approved by an imam.

“Segregation” is an ugly word, so naturally they’re calling it “freedom of religion” instead. And if all this sounds familiar, it should.

The Swedish integration minister says no way no how no chance will the SMA’s request be granted. And, to their credit, the Swedish Muslim Council — the umbrella organization to which the SMA belongs — is reportedly opposed to the idea, too. Which is in keeping with the community’s track record: last year, when a Swedish Christian preacher accused Mohammed of having been a pedophile, the head of the country’s council of imams explicitly warned Muslims not to respond with violence. Because, after all, they could just sue the preacher instead.

And if that sounds familiar, it should.

I won’t belabor the usual points about the dangers of non-assimilation, topical though they are; Mark Steyn writes about them every week, and there are plenty of worthwhile books on the subject. The point is, it is a danger — for all concerned:

Among Swedish Muslims, 39 percent displayed systematic anti-Semitic attitudes as opposed to five percent in the general Swedish population.

In order to compare attitudes toward other religious minorities, some questions in the poll were about Muslims, the largest religious minority in Sweden. There are 18,000 Jews in Sweden and 350,000 Muslims. The poll showed that the intolerant attitudes towards Muslims were higher than those towards Jews.

Two percent of Swedes supported discriminatory measures toward Jews. Only 2.9 percent of Swedes think that there are too many Jews in Sweden, while 24.1 percent feel there are too many Muslims. 6.7 percent also feel that “Muslims ought not be allowed to vote in political elections.”

Emphases mine. The Swedish government is paying attention.

Update: A lot of attention.

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Does this mean muslims want to sit at the back of the bus and drink from seperate water fountains?

Is it my imagination or do they want to create an air of racism. It could become it’s own industry. This is where Big Al and Jesse can go in retirement.

dallas94 on April 28, 2006 at 10:57 AM

Just like the libs in this country the Muslems will take the freedoms from the Europeans a little at a time untill they rule and destroy our coulture. Islam is note a religon of peace. Go home and take Alla with them I say.

birdman on April 28, 2006 at 11:04 AM

It’s the same problem we have here – only the Europeans are in advanced stages – no assimilation. The problem with Muslims and this is also true to a large extent with the Hispanic debate, is that they do not want to become Americans. They want to live here and take advantage of the system, but they are still Muslims first or Mexicans first. Why do more Mexicans in California celebrate Cinco de Mayo than the Fourth? They still identify with Mexico. They just happen to be in the US. As long as we keep with the Salad Bar (togther all in one place) theory instead of the “melting pot” we’re going to have sub-groups wishing to impose their culture and heritage onto Americans. The only good thing is that we get to watch Europe self destruct with the Muslim problem first.

2wylde on April 28, 2006 at 11:38 AM

New segregationism under the guise of religion? My what a refreshing concept. As someone once said, “you can put lipstick and dress on a pig, but it is still a pig”.

I might be more willing to go along with their thinking, if they are willing to go back to the countries from which they immigrated and put this into practice there.

Ha! Why would they want to do that, silly me…

SteveD on April 28, 2006 at 11:55 AM

Doesn’t sound much different in theory than when some American Christians petition our government to enforce their religious values in a public school setting. I don’t agree with making public schools more religious in our country or Sweden, but I don’t blame people for trying. (Free country, etc.)

Don Cobaggio on April 28, 2006 at 12:04 PM

I was just in Sweden last Fall for a photography exhibit. They are in total denial there about their “Muslim problem”. But there are many many crime reports where it is the Muslim “youths” who are disproportinately committing them.
While this goes on:

Featuring an exhibit of oral sex during a crucifixion seems is “art” you know! Insulting the Christians are fine as long as we be sure the Muslims get their separate society. Eurabia will be a reality in our lifetime.

labwrs on April 28, 2006 at 12:06 PM

What was it that Napolian said “divide” and conquer” thats the game plan of the libs pit one group against another, whithe against black, man against woman, Christian against Jew and on and on it goes. When I was in 8th grade back in “61” one student every moring was handed the Bible and he our she would read a psam, this was public school, the libs stopped that. Why? Seperation of church and state? We may insult a Muslum or a Native American? It states in our founding documents “there shall be no state sponsered religion. This country was established on the Judean Christian religion, the GOLDEN RULE, “do unto others”, the TEN COMMANDENTS, “honer thy mother and father”. The liberals are our God, and we their flock of sheep to be led to wereever they lead us. MAY THEY ALL BURN IN HELL, and they will.

birdman on April 28, 2006 at 12:15 PM

This story is a perfect example of why Islam (not just radical Islam) should concern everyone. Even “moderate” Muslims will confirm that, truth be told, the entire world should be under Islamic rule.

Instituting small, seemingly innocuous changes in our culture only hastens their dream. That’s another reason political correctness is ruining this country; everyone is too scared to speak openly. All we here though is “Islam is a religion of peace” over and over again.

right as rain man on April 28, 2006 at 12:18 PM

Fraidycats. Meow.

Don Cobaggio on April 28, 2006 at 12:27 PM

right as rain man “Islam religion of peace” my ass.

birdman on April 28, 2006 at 12:34 PM

“I won’t belabor the usual points about the dangers of non-assimilation”

More accurately, the danger here is immigration, which Steyn and others do *not* write about every week. It may sound implied, but there’s a big difference in arguing for assimilation and arguing for a halt in immigration.

And the difference is all the difference, otherwise no one has any answers at all: there’s no instance in history of assimilation happening when a) the host countries are so lacking in cultural confidence and b) the immigrant proportion of the overall population (and demographic projection thereof) is so high.

I’d go further and suggest that Muslims already in Europe should be encouraged to leave, such as with large payments to them in their home country.

Alex K on April 28, 2006 at 1:27 PM

Right. Any politician will remind you of that.

right as rain man on April 28, 2006 at 1:28 PM

Since 1965 I think it was legal immagration must be 85% from third world countries thanks to Ted (the swimmer) Kennedy. The people that really want to come here to be free are shut out. The people that want to bleed us white are welcome, they are met with open arms, and guess what most despsize our values, and coulture….Alla Akbar…

birdman on April 28, 2006 at 1:54 PM

Muslims must ask what they can do themselves first.

And if Imams are to teach religion in Swedish schools, will this be part of the material?:

“There are ten types of filth and impurities: urine, faeces, semen, carrion, blood of carrion, dogs, pigs, disbelievers”.
(Text being taught at The Hawza Ilmiyya Islamic school, Willesden, London – The Times)

A couple of days ago Swedish SVT1 broadcasted the first episode (of two) of a documental that reveals the existence of a “Religious Islamic Police” whose mission is to control muslims in Sweden and prevent them from socializing with non-muslim swedes.

“”The Salafis is against any form of integration.” She doesn´t agree with the ones who opine the Salafis aren´t a problem because they are a minority. “They spend much time in the big mosques talking with regular muslims with the purpose to provoke “guilty conscience”.

sugiero on April 28, 2006 at 2:30 PM

In one of the books of Islam they refer to Christians and Jews as “the people of the book”, in another book they refer to them as “apes and pigs”, and of course infidels. Wheres the love? Answer; there is none.

birdman on April 28, 2006 at 2:35 PM

They also have a loophole in their stated prohibition against harming “innocents.” Since infidels (hey, that’s us!) don’t technically qualify as innocents, harming or killing them doesn’t necessarily amount to a violation of Islamic Law. That makes me feel better.

right as rain man on April 28, 2006 at 2:49 PM

Sweden, France, Holland and all of Europe is being conquered by islam, so slowly that they won’t even know it til it’s too late, like boiling a frog (French pun intended) by turning up the heat a little bit at a time.

Read “While Europe Slept” by Bruce Bawer. An American lib who went to live in the socialist paradise and had his eyes opened for him by muslims who’re takin’ over … and don’t you dare complain about it or else you’re a racist (to the Euros) and a target (of the muslims). His Euro friends are blind to reality, living in denial and brainwashed by a leftist media. All the while blaming America for their problems.

American libs think they’re losing their rights to Bush and the Patriot Act, I ask them: What rights will you have under sharia law and dhimmitude? Their answer: Dhimmi-what?

Tony737 on April 28, 2006 at 4:28 PM

the swedes are rolling over to the muslims. kind of reminds me of how are politicians are rolling over to the illegal immigrants. so sad. so very sad.

pullingmyhairout on April 28, 2006 at 5:22 PM

The time will come when all the hostility that Europeans are suppressing due to their “peace ideal” over Eurabia will explode and it won’t be pretty. It’s going to be crazy over there when their socialist nirvana comes screeching to a halt.

PoppysBoy on April 28, 2006 at 6:51 PM

What the Moslem Leadership are demanding is very similar to the legal arrangements that prevailed in China during the time of the “Unequal Treaties” (after the Opium Wars and prior to World War II). Foreigners of European descent were not subject to the laws of China, but were to be judged by their own Embassies. This judicial status was known as “Extra-Territorality.” It was resented by the Chinese People. But the corruption of the decadent Imperial System and the War-Lord infested countryside afflicting the Country during the ensuing Republic were held by Westerners to justify Extra-Territorality. The whining of the Moslem Religious Leadership presently polluting civil discourse in Europe can invoke no similar justifications for their demand for an especial Sharia Judicial Exception to be allowed the Islamist Populations in the European Community. Stripped of its rhetorical ornamentation, these ethnic legal exceptions are seen primarily as necessary to continue the Moslem subjugation of women transplanted into the European environment. A civilization that treats the female element as wombs, suitable only for the production of fighting men in the unforgiving desert, has no place in a civilization that has long had an especial reverence for the Holy Virgin Mother Of GOD.

Waumpuscat on April 29, 2006 at 8:52 PM

The Muslims were well aware that these demands would not be supported by even a Swedish politician because of the radicalism they represent, but just wait a little while and then the same demands will be sent again but in a soft sweet spoken language and then the politicians will say: now this looks a lot more reasonable than the radical ones you submitted before, lets see what we can do to let you have these well deserved rights.

Those left wing usefull idiots will be the end of Europe

defender on April 30, 2006 at 1:25 AM

The day will come when Christians will be perscuted worldwide as “non-believers”. It seems has already started in Europe with it blind conversion to islam (small caps on purpose). The elite thinkers in Europe will awaken when they are lit on fire or beheaded for not accepting the “religion of peace”. The question is what role will our nation play in this drama? Will we be the sheep or the shepard? Has it finally begun? What will you do in the end?

hoosier_federalist on May 1, 2006 at 2:15 PM